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General Category => Aesthetics => Topic started by: GJ on September 01, 2017, 06:27:09 PM
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Public service announcement. I have no skin in the game, and you can waste your money on this service if you wish, etc.
User here on JSF named "StupidJAws" (TYD on lookism) is the owner of Analyzemyface. This is indisputable and in the registered business documents. This person used to do morphs on Fivver as Patrick_Bateman (character from American Psycho). He has since purchased an Italian forum, where he goes by Kevsroot. People refer to him as Patrick on there at times, implying they knew he was Patrick_Batman on Fivver.
What is interesting about AnalyzeMyFace, is the business consists of two employees. Stupidjaws/TYD and an attorney. In the fine print, it says the information is a resource only and not intended for any treatment purposes, yet if you buy their packages, they offer suggestions of certain surgeons (it seems to be the same 3 every time -- MrSpaghetti, Dr. Butterball , and Comb Jelly). Of note, someone pretending (I say this because the IP was from Spain) to be Dr. Z signed up for the forum and asked me to delete negative reviews about him. Not sure what to deduct other than it wasn't Z.
This user, Ruin, did amazing work in exposing the scam: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/lookism-net.10522/page-279
Read their post and the document they drew up here: https://imgur.com/a/ceNVO
You see SJ's name (not that I want to dox him, but posting this in the event he turns up somewhere else after this scam fails), the business structure, his "staff" (i.e. an attorney).
In December, someone named Alessandro approached me and tried to buy my forum for 1k. I said no, and made a counter offer, not realizing yet what was going on. At that time, I spoke with some of my online friends about this offer, and via a collaborative effort we deducted Alessandro is either SJ or someone working for him to buy "spaces" (established jaw/ps communities) and then use these spaces to find desperate clients to buy the AMF service. When I confronted SJ/TYD with this information last month, he wrote:
at the same time, i told alessandro that buying JSF would be very important, he told me he is interested but:
1. you did not answer him or stuff like that
2. he isn't in love with buying communties anymore as most of his staff questioned some of his decisions
I will tell him to get in touch with you.
One thing though as i mentioned is that i am not "running" it and i can't legally do it so while i am really helping him in my spare time giving my 100%, i'm not getting 1 € for this and my job states pretty clearly in my contracty that i can't have any other source of income / shares / activity etc.
This makes no sense since we know as a fact SJ is legally running AMF. It implies he is Alessandro via deduction (i.e. two employees, and SJ owns AMF and the only other employee is an attorney).
In short, he tried damage control. The excuse he gave is that with his current job, he could not make extra income, which made sense. However, if you look at his linkedin profile, you can see he clearly left that position in Dec 2016, the exact time he was trying to buy my forum.
So he lied straight up to me. He's very good at this. I almost fell for it, were it not for some brilliant friends in high places who helped me figure out the puzzle.
The bottom line is Stupidjaws/TYD and AnalyzeMyFace are a scam. What the scam is, I can't be sure, but it appears he recommends the same 3 doctors to everyone who signs up. He says the analysis is not for medical purposes, yet also claims he has doctors doing the cephs (why then would they not be legit for medical purposes?) and he used to do these same analysis on Fivver as Patrick Bateman.
Finally, Stupidjaws/TYD admits here he is a psychopath: https://lookism.net/Thread-My-heartbraking-surgery-journey-detailed-list
So this behavior all makes sense.
Anyway, you are free to do with your money as you see fit. This is a public service announcement showing what I/we have found. If you agree, don't use AMF. If you disagree, use it. Free market. This is simply what I/we have found and understand to be the facts.
Keywords: Analyze My Face is a Scam, AnalyzeMyFace is a Scam, analyzemyface.com is a scam.
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I want to clarify something that may be misconstrued from this post: I DID have surgery with Marianetti and my recommendations are based on my experience. I don't have anything to do with AMF or SJ other than talking to SJ pretty frequently.
For what its worth, I dont think the doctors mentioned are involved with them either (in the AMF product i received I had no recommendations given for surgeons and when i emailed AMF asking for recommendations they refused to give any, so make of that what you will), these are simply the doctors SJ himself has personal experience with, in which case recommendations thereof aren't really anything untoward, insincere or financially motivated.
But otherwise yes, moving forward people should consider AMF as not being what it claims to be (a team of maxfacs) and is probably more likely either SJ or SJ's friend.
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Last I checked, for an additional fee AMF will recommend surgeons. It's a fairly recent change & probably is recommending as GJ described. I wouldn't know.
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Last I checked, for an additional fee AMF will recommend surgeons.
Yes, they say specifically "Referrals of well-known experts" in their current packages.
Maybe that's new. I never heard of AMF until a few weeks ago so I can't say. But I do know that people PMing me say they heard of the doctors mentioned from AMF or SJ (which are the same thing, per the registered business trademark/license).
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okay didnt know that, must be a recent change because when i got it over a year ago it wasn't there.
feeling a little pissed off now
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Ah Jsf , never a dull day.
Ok 137 dull days and then bam.
Thanks for the info GJ.
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The CON is one where he is a brand rep for his own corporation BUT he hides disclosure of any material connection to it. He does it by creating imaginary 'experts' (Andrea Nersani and Patrick B) who he tells people were his advisers and where they can be found, on his Italian board (with adverts) where he does not let on he controls that. He inspires confidence (that's what 'con' job stands for) and in such a way people would never suspect him of any material connections. (Hey, owning the trademark and the corp is material connection.) So, the con is hiding through a series of imaginary 'experts' he makes up as to hide DISCLOSURE of his material connections. It's not a thing where people know who they are consulting with for the service rendered. It veers on an FTC violation. But he's operating out of Italy.
As to the 3 doctors; Marinetti, Zarrinbal and Cervelli, it's possible he has told them he is a brand rep for their work via frequent photo sharing of his face on social media and disclosed to THEM his consulting corp set up, in which case, maybe he gets a fee from them to refer to them.
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So, I presume the SJ attorney or similar type threatened the forums for disclosing this? I see Ilovethemoon had to delete his reaction to this announcement.
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So, I presume the SJ attorney or similar type threatened the forums for disclosing this? I see Ilovethemoon had to delete his reaction to this announcement.
What was IlovetheMoon's reaction?
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Got word that SJ is telling people things that are inconsistent as in HOLES in his story.
1: He set up the corp; 'for a friend'. Things aren't done that way as the corp officers have to swear in front of notary public that they are the true 'owners' of corp.
2: His job does not allow him to have extra income sources. OK, if that's the case, then he would not have set up a for profit corp 'for a friend' under his name.
3: There is no need to set up a domain name for a friend because there are services that allow anon domain name registration.
Bottom line is that he HID material disclosure of his corporate and trademark ownership connections with the service he talks up via boards.
It is not a thing where people go to him directly for him to render it. It is a thing where when they go to have the service rendered, via his calling attention to its existence, they have no idea of his material connections to the ownership.
It is the willful hiding of such amidst cloak and dagger type subterfuge where he FOOLS people.
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What was IlovetheMoon's reaction? I missed it before deletion.
ILM posted a sample AMF report where the face analysed was that of... SJ! The gist of the report was "you look great, bro! just need some filler under the eyes".
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It must have been this one. https://www.scribd.com/document/347223620/myamf
It all looks like info he knew already about himself, especially the eye area. It's a document he shares with others that he got from this service. What he doesn't share with others is he is the legal trademark owner of the name and the Chief Financial Officer of the corporation, RealT consulting srls at the bottom of the document.
This document gets around via private grapevine of those he passes it to in clandestine promotions where he hides he's the corp owner.
ref: Trademark ownership. http://trademark.markify.com/trademarks/ctm/analyzemyface/016680829/?lang=pl
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The AMF document of his report is offered as a type of endorsement from him to others where the endorsement seems 'legit' because he's perceived as a 'customer' who is happy with the service rendered. Also, if there were any situations in the past where you found a member was lead to seek out AMF and you asked, where they found out and they said, 'from SJ' but SJ told the mod he suggested it because he believes it's great service yet did not disclose his material connection to it at the time he was asked, that's basic example of what FTC tries to protect consumers about. You know, to endorse his own service, he also has to disclose his material connections to it or it must be implicitly understood that he is connected to it.
"Connections between an endorser and the company that are unclear or unexpected to a customer also must be disclosed, whether they have to do with a financial arrangement for a favorable endorsement, a position with the company, or stock ownership. "
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Whoa that's crazy :(
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Also explains why he always shared his results publicly to draw people in.
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Also explains why he always shared his results publicly to draw people in.
yeah that struck me as very odd. Why would someone who had that degree of improvement want to advertise it. Most people would just wanna bury the past. I think he was in part altruistically motivated but I guess ultimately succumbed to the temptation of capitalizing on "incel" desperation of others.
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Based on some of the screenshots that were posted that showed "andreanersani" as a founder of the Italian forum in 2012, it seems safe to say that the accumulation of sock puppet accounts has been going on for years.
I found that Fiverr account and traced the google image. It does lead to some silly stock business photography photos.
https://www.fiverr.com/andreane
http://hollywoodartinstitute.com/destination-stock-photography-a-must-for-every-luxury-villa-owner-2-3-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2/
Theres also a post on another forum that shows that other people have figured it out, from last year:
"i know tyd from italian board on plastic surgery...he is admin's "patrickB" puppet...
btw....patrickb is the same gay who SOLD me a facial analysis for 400000 euro giving me NO HOPE telling me i need osteotomy everywhere even in my ass....JUST LOL at that advice.....just looool..."
And in a different thread there is a post where "TYD/andreanersani/stupidjaws" talks up the "expertise" of nersani who is also apparently himself:
"i dunno bro i have no idea of his coordinates he does morphs maybe not as AMF but still decent tier. i've never seen AMF morphs except the "sample" cuz mystery was A CUCK and did not share pictures. would be really useful to all of us TBH
you can find him in this forum: chirurgiaestetica and his name is "andreanersani" he is very knowledgeable and cool tbh"
That post above pretty much sums it up for me. he's pretending to not know anything about the service when he's the one who seems to be running the whole show.
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Last night I had a long conversation with SJ about this situation.
I tried to be logical with him last night and asked a few simple questions.
In short, I asked for the doctors names who are performing the cephs. He wouldn't provide any names.
He went on to say this:
The ceph is done by doctors and it is to be considered a medical document, the rest is still done by doctors and more superficially so that is why they don't want the risk. I met one of the doctors once and they will put a publication online with their names. The thing isn't associated with the doctors to give more power to the brand vs the doctors.
More power to the brand? Odd. I'd think naming good doctors doing cephs would give more power to a brand than anything else.
In the disclaimer on the AMF website, it says the documents they provide are not to be used as medical advice and they have no liability if you use it for that reason. Strange since doctors are doing the work. You would think that's valid medical advice, especially the ceph since it isn't done "superficially" like the rest of the analysis.
Then, I told him I'd be willing to do a Skype with him, Allessandro, Andrea, and Patrick/Kevsroot (all at the same time, so a 4 way call, and asked him if they could all show up for it with photo ID of each one). He says he'll do this. Should be interesting. Might see cardboard cutouts show up for some of those guys!
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https://www.fiverr.com/andreane
http://hollywoodartinstitute.com/destination-stock-photography-a-must-for-every-luxury-villa-owner-2-3-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2/
Wow.
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Haha, or he will ask some friends. Or he will hire some people. Or he will just never get back to you about this.
If he hires friends, they're going to have to all make fake IDs. And, I know what "Andrea" looks like from his free, stock business photo above. If that isn't Andrea on Skype with an ID showing so, then we have a problem.
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He basically tried to catfish desperate people on the internet. Reminds a lot of that Manti te'o fiasco.
Might see cardboard cutouts show up for some of those guys!
Picturing this RN ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihpG_NJ_T1g
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Quote from: bruxiegrl on Today at 12:29:49 AM
https://www.fiverr.com/andreane
http://hollywoodartinstitute.com/destination-stock-photography-a-must-for-every-luxury-villa-owner-2-3-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2/
Wow.
Update: Found the actual guy and spoiler alert--his name is not Andrea Nersani! ;D
http://abs2017.lbsafricaclub.org/speakers/cohen/
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whoa wait a minute
Who did SJ "harass" on here? I dont recall anything like this.
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Okay, so it appears that stupidjaws has been dishonest about his services, but I feel you are being harsh on him. Personally, I can only say that he's given me a lot of good advice for free. Yes, he did refer me to the surgeons mentioned in the thread, but I had excellent results, so I'm happy with his advice. I also spoke a lot to stupidjaws during my post-op rhinoplasty phase, and he answered all of my questions and concerns without asking for anything in return.
I also don't think it is correct to label the service as a "scam". Deceptive marketing? Yes. Scam? Not really, from what I can see the service provides legitimate advice and analysis.
Not saying what he did was right, but I don't think it's right to put him down, because he's helped me (and many others, I believe) a lot.
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well the "Scam" part comes in so far as it seems it is almost certainly not a team of maxfacs or even a single maxfac
however, I'm more than happy to say the product I received was good. So much so to the point that a surgeon i consulted here in aus (I won't say his name just to help avoid what I soon expect is going to happen, however you can look through my post history a while back and probably guess who I'm talking about), i showed the product to before our consultation, and he was impressed with it, so much so we had shared a laugh because he thought it was probably a big name Italian surgeon, again, won't say who, but not hard to guess. I do mean big name.
So scam? No, the product does exactly as advertised: diagnoses faces and suggests treatments, and in so far as that is concerned, i think its a quality product... However, a fraud or deceptive? I think thats probably a more accurate description.
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how much are people paying for this service?
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well the "Scam" part comes in so far as it seems it is almost certainly not a team of maxfacs or even a single maxfac
however, I'm more than happy to say the product I received was good. So much so to the point that a surgeon i consulted here in aus (I won't say his name just to help avoid what I soon expect is going to happen, however you can look through my post history a while back and probably guess who I'm talking about), i showed the product to before our consultation, and he was impressed with it, so much so we had shared a laugh because he thought it was probably a big name Italian surgeon, again, won't say who, but not hard to guess. I do mean big name.
So scam? No, the product does exactly as advertised: diagnoses faces and suggests treatments, and in so far as that is concerned, i think its a quality product... However, a fraud or deceptive? I think thats probably a more accurate description.
The operative principle here is non-disclosure of material associations. You know, a suggestion/confidence in service is dropped as to the service of which he is happy with in the absence of his disclosing he is CFO of the corp behind the service.
[Connections between an endorser and the company that are unclear or unexpected to a customer also must be disclosed, whether they have to do with a financial arrangement for a favorable endorsement, a position with the company, or stock ownership.]
For example, a biz owner might have a great service/product--what ever--but the question is how he goes about letting you know this service/product exists in anything that could be considered an endorsement. If he goes through great efforts to hide his material connections so you don't know they exist, that is the problem.
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Based on some of the screenshots that were posted that showed "andreanersani" as a founder of the Italian forum in 2012, it seems safe to say that the accumulation of sock puppet accounts has been going on for years.
I found that Fiverr account and traced the google image. It does lead to some silly stock business photography photos.
https://www.fiverr.com/andreane
http://hollywoodartinstitute.com/destination-stock-photography-a-must-for-every-luxury-villa-owner-2-3-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2/
Theres also a post on another forum that shows that other people have figured it out, from last year:
"i know tyd from italian board on plastic surgery...he is admin's "patrickB" puppet...
btw....patrickb is the same gay who SOLD me a facial analysis for 400000 euro giving me NO HOPE telling me i need osteotomy everywhere even in my ass....JUST LOL at that advice.....just looool..."
And in a different thread there is a post where "TYD/andreanersani/stupidjaws" talks up the "expertise" of nersani who is also apparently himself:
"i dunno bro i have no idea of his coordinates he does morphs maybe not as AMF but still decent tier. i've never seen AMF morphs except the "sample" cuz mystery was A CUCK and did not share pictures. would be really useful to all of us TBH
you can find him in this forum: chirurgiaestetica and his name is "andreanersani" he is very knowledgeable and cool tbh"
That post above pretty much sums it up for me. he's pretending to not know anything about the service when he's the one who seems to be running the whole show.
I think I saw that one too. Was that the one where he offered to pay someone to see their AMF and called 'Mystery Meat pua artist' on there a cuck for not showing his photos?
You gotta hand it to him. In terms of acting, that was a master performance directed and orchestrated so he wouldn't even be suspected of being in capacity to look at AMF docs.
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I also don't think it is correct to label the service as a "scam".
True, "Fraud" is probably a more specific and accurate word:
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/fraud.html
But since scam is a synonym I think it's okay, too.
Being happy with a service doesn't make it a legit business. E.g. Early Bernie Madoff customers were happy.
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Last night I had a long conversation with SJ about this situation.
I tried to be logical with him last night and asked a few simple questions.
In short, I asked for the doctors names who are performing the cephs. He wouldn't provide any names.
He went on to say this:
More power to the brand? Odd. I'd think naming good doctors doing cephs would give more power to a brand than anything else.....
Maybe he jobs out to a company with software to do cephs.
It's possible to purchase ceph programs where if you know the points you can do it yourself or if you have high volume of cephs needing to be charted out, the company will do that for such clients.
["Optimize your time!. We have a group of high level specialists ready to trace for you, given you the best results in the shortest time."]
In turn, it is possible for someone using such a program/service to claim; 'doctors do the ceph analysis'. Could be an assumption where the 'high level specialists' doing the tracings could be doctors. Here is example of how such a claim could be made in absence of providing names of 'doctors' who do them:
For example, 'EASY CEPH'. Very inexpensive service with Platinum plan where if you got 80 cephs for the company to do this for you it's only $12 for each one.
This particular service might not be the one used. Just pointing out there are services one can 'job out' to where there are people who know where to put the points for the program to generate a bunch of different analysis options for the cephs.
Here is an example of a program one can purchase for cephs. Now if you know the landmark points, it can be a Do it yourself deal where after the points are ID-ed, program will draw connecting lines and churn out a bunch of different analysis measures of any system you want to use; Witts, Steiner--what ever--there are many.
For those with say a VOLUME of X rays on which the points and lines need to be charted out so the ceph becomes a ceph analysis, the company offering the software can do that for a client with high volume of cephs needed to charted out.
EASY CEPH tutorial:
http://www.easyceph.com/en/learning.php
PRICING:
http://www.easyceph.com/en/pricing.php
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True, "Fraud" is probably a more specific and accurate word:
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/fraud.html
But since scam is a synonym I think it's okay, too.
The bottom line is Stupidjaws/TYD and AnalyzeMyFace are a scam. What the scam is, I can't be sure, but it appears he recommends the same 3 doctors to everyone who signs up.
I agree that it seems shady, but you can't just throw around words like fraud and scam without being sure.
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In turn, it is possible for someone using such a program/service to claim; 'doctors do the ceph analysis'. Could be an assumption where the 'high level specialists' doing the tracings could be doctors. Here is example of how such a claim could be made in absence of providing names of 'doctors' who do them:
Interesting. But if I write the business owner/SJ and ask who the doctors are, doesn't he have an obligation to provide that information? He told me they were "local doctors" and says he met one of them in-person. So I don't think it's an outsource thing, but that's interesting.
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I think I saw that one too. Was that the one where he offered to pay someone to see their AMF and called 'Mystery Meat pua artist' on there a cuck for not showing his photos?
You gotta hand it to him. In terms of acting, that was a master performance directed and orchestrated so he wouldn't even be suspected of being in capacity to look at AMF docs.
I'm not sure--possibly? i didn't search too extensively. I posted that because it shows that he's talking up a guy who doesn't exist. It is quite the performance.
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Well he would have been vulnerable to litigation in North America.
Anyway I personally never interacted with him in PMs but he did give a lot of well intended and free advice to users here. I guess at some point he wanted to monetize it. Just should have not done all the sneaky stuff.
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OK, lost track of what this was a response to but here goes:
Seems like he is telling people, 'no way he could own AMF', in the absence of his knowing some knew he was the CFO and owner of trademark.
You know one of the reasons people set up a corp is to differentiate personal income from corporate income where the corp is a different entity from the person. For example say a 'person' invests income (from job) into a corp he has set up. The 'person' could not get sued for a lot of $$ because the $$ is held in an 'entity', the corp.
Now as to his being the CFO of the corp, he could elect not to collect stock dividends but put them back into the corp. He could also elect to not pay himself a salary. Later down the line, he could cash in on it.
Now, I'm sure Italy is similar to US where setting up a corp is contingent on going in front of a notary public to VOW that the identities of the officers are who they say they are. It's not something you would do 'for a friend. He's from a long line of finance 'whizzes' certified CPAs I think. He would not be going in front of the Italian Chamber of Commerce to do this 'for a friend'. He would know better not to do that. So, it's just a cock and bull story he set it up 'for a friend', a cock and bull story to those who MIGHT believe it.
The set up of the corp is most likely one where when payment or 'income' comes in, expenses that went into generating the income are deducted and profits in terms of 'owners equity' (stocks) go back into the corp if the chief stock holders (his owning about 85% of the shares) elect not to cash in the dividends but instead re-invest in the corp.
Lets take the example where the CFO of the corp; 'RealTconsulting...' who owns AMF has some 'expenses' associated with the aim of this corp (one in the biz aesthetic surgery). So, any aesthetic service he gets for himself, he can deduct as an 'expense' of the corp. He could elect to generate a bunch of losses for a while if he wanted.
If he has a history and pattern of HIDING disclosure to mods and also history of coming up with some cock and bull story once HOLES are found in a past story, the more holes found, the more he's going to be coming up with a better cock and bull story to patch up the holes. I would just leave it as that he's been at this for years, he's hid disclosure for years, he knows how to come up with some story when he's caught and I would not be expecting any 'forthright' or 'on the level' answers to any more questions asked of him.
I think the best that can be done is to keep him off some boards and to disclose to members what he has devoted himself to hiding from them as to the way he has gone about using/abusing message boards as opportunistic venues for members to 'find out' about this 'service' by virtue (or is that vice?) of cloak and dagger infiltration.
Might not be a bad idea to ISOLATE him and his to lookism where then it's their problem. I think Google socked them for having a bunch of 'jail bait' stuff on there where they are having hard time generating advertising revenue. So, let them lose even more potential advertising revenue from the goldmine he must get from there pretending he's not promoting his own product.
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I'm not sure--possibly? i didn't search too extensively. I posted that because it shows that he's talking up a guy who doesn't exist. It is quite the performance.
Correct. No such adviser he claims to be his exists.
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Interesting. But if I write the business owner/SJ and ask who the doctors are, doesn't he have an obligation to provide that information? He told me they were "local doctors" and says he met one of them in-person. So I don't think it's an outsource thing, but that's interesting.
Write to him at the official company e mail; RealT@PECIMPRESE.IT and see if you get a response like; 'I set up the corp for a friend' or if you're told they are 'local doctors'.
If no disclosure of who they are, resolve to Team of Mystery Meat Doctors.
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I agree that it seems shady, but you can't just throw around words like fraud and scam without being sure.
There is a preponderance of evidence/information that dovetails on the intent to decieve. Just a matter of semantics if someone uses terms, fraud, scam or con job.
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There is a preponderance of evidence/information that dovetails on the intent to decieve. Just a matter of semantics if someone uses terms, fraud, scam or con job.
Right and there might be people who don't care and they like the product. That's fine, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be transparency for everyone else. I would bet most people would have a problem with it. Would you be cool with this amount of deception while buying anything else? I know I wouldn't. I'm just glad people know so they can have an informed decision.
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Right and there might be people who don't care and they like the product. That's fine, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be transparency for everyone else. I would bet most people would have a problem with it. Would you be cool with this amount of deception while buying anything else? I know I wouldn't. I'm just glad people know so they can have an informed decision.
I'd be the last one to be cool with it.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PlasticSurgery/comments/7adyry/tyd_on_lookism_talks_about_the_things_he_did_big/
Apparently Reddit keeps deleting this thread, too. So they don't want patients informed that SJ is running a scam. A question of mine would be "why?"...
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It's been over a year, so I can't remember where the posts are, but there was a guy on a different forum that gave a positive review for analyzemyface and he said he got a discount for doing so
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It's been over a year, so I can't remember where the posts are, but there was a guy on a different forum that gave a positive review for analyzemyface and he said he got a discount for doing so
Hah.
So bribery, too. SJ keeps adding to his rap sheet.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PlasticSurgery/comments/7adyry/tyd_on_lookism_talks_about_the_things_he_did_big/
Apparently Reddit keeps deleting this thread, too. So they don't want patients informed that SJ is running a scam. A question of mine would be "why?"...
I wonder if SJ (=TDY on lookism) put up a link on Reddit to his bulls**t story and then asked the mods to delete the response. The story was used as bait for people to PM him so he could share his 'private' photos (that he posts publicly all over the net) and then tell them how happy he was with his imaginary consultants at AMF without whom, he would have never known what to do.
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Cervelli must be in on this scam, right?
He writes:
“AMF clients who come to my practice are better prepared and have more predictable, superior outcomes.”
Daniele Cervelli, MD
And SJ used him.
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Cervelli must be in on this scam, right?
He writes:
“AMF clients who come to my practice are better prepared and have more predictable, superior outcomes.”
Daniele Cervelli, MD
And SJ used him.
He gets referred to by the service. there is even a paper he wrote about his putting filler over SJ's CHIN WINGS. (Even 2 of them and after max fax were too high and short.) Wonder how the CW doctor felt about SJ posing for a paper where the chin wings had to be 'improved' on by another doctor and one mind you who is a 'friend' of SJ. The paper avoids mention that the filler 'improvement' to the jaw area was after 2 chin wings by Dr. Z. Cervelli very well could be in the bag with SJ.
Italy, especially Rome, as beautiful and rich in heritage and arts and all that, can be a pretty rogue place when it comes to business standards and accords for promotion might be much more lax than in US. Cervelli's paper and SJ's Italian biz is aimed at US audience. His other Italian doctor, the one where someone got an INFECTION because the doctor had a high infection risk profile for implants and STILL placed them in there during a bi max surgery (Marianetti) wrote some paper where he was riding on the popularity of Arnett and Gunson and used their aesthetic research as a SPRING BOARD to tout M's aesthetic TVL. I saw it as an example of academic 'carpetbagging'. Of course, his other doctor, 'Z' got a lot of biz from SJ's activities too.
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He might be a moderator for /r/plasticsurgery. They accept open applications from people who spend time on there. So, chances are he'll be deleting it himself.
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Their FB is still up: https://www.facebook.com/AnalyzeMyFace2016/
Recently received an email from someone alleging they have proof of a contract that Stupidjaws received $1500 EURO/month from certain Italian surgeon to refer patients. Australian surgeon might be involved, too.
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Hey, I have read about this all, but I arrived to this forum after it all happened.
Why is it a scam? AMF does not do what it advertises?
I understand that you didn't like the part of SJ recommending surgeons on your forum just because he got commission from them.
Read the whole thread. The scam was he hid disclosure of his material associations. Hid that he OWNED it and instead pretended to have 'advisers' which were imaginary sock puppets on a board he controlled where he would talk up these 'advisers' who when found would have this service. The scam was to the audience (his target market), found on boards, to whom he did NOT disclose he was owner. Also in violation of FTC where it is a violation (type of 'astroturfing' for a company/corp to PRETEND or make up names pretending they are happy consumers or fail to disclose their material connections.) So, the scam is to the board owners who he subjected to unwittingly house FTC violations so he could exploit the audience/members of the boards.