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General Category => Functional Surgery Questions => Topic started by: FranksMonster on September 16, 2017, 07:58:38 AM
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Hello,
I need a bimax surgery to correct a terribly canted jaw.
Which surgeons in Europe do you recommend and what are their prizes?
I'm willing to pay a bit more if it means it would be safer and provide better results. Although I don't WANT to pay like 100.000 €, I would be willing to do that also if it's really beneficial.
Regards!
P.s.: I already did orthodontic treatment (unfortunately all it truly did was show me just how canted my jaw really is; before I simply thought my teeth were crooked) and even have 3 implants. Maybe "surgery first" would be preferable for me?
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Alfaro in Spain and Raffaini in Italy.
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I've been looking into both of them. Which one do you prefer?
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Alfaro in Spain and Raffaini in Italy.
Now are they noteworthy from your own research or did stupidjaws tell you that? I don't mean that to come off as insulting or anything nefarious like that, but curious for myself these days if they're still thee best EU surgeons to consider still.
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Now are they noteworthy from your own research or did stupidjaws tell you that? I don't mean that to come off as insulting or anything nefarious like that, but curious for myself these days if they're still thee best EU surgeons to consider still.
the only thing SJ tells people about Raffaini is that he doesn't like him, and AFAIK has never said diddly squat about Alfaro.
alfaro is absolutely notable on his own, because he practically is the pioneer of surgery first approaches which were/are a pretty big deal in the jaw surgery world, and he's been quite successful with the self-promotion side of the business. Raffaini i would say is notable because his results get a lot of chatter on the internet.
As far as "big names" go in EU jaw surgery, I say those two qualify.
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Now are they noteworthy from your own research or did stupidjaws tell you that? I don't mean that to come off as insulting or anything nefarious like that, but curious for myself these days if they're still thee best EU surgeons to consider still.
Off the mark here. Stupid Jaws puts the push on Marian---- and Z. Alfaro and Raffaini were note worthy long before SJ got on with his name drops.
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Off the mark here. Stupid Jaws puts the push on Marian---- and Z. Alfaro and Raffaini were note worthy long before SJ got on with his name drops.
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SJ was actually critical of Raffaini . Said he was "too busy".
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SJ was actually critical of Raffaini . Said he was "too busy".
He tells people to go to Marian......whom he went to for a rev rhino but he did not go there for bi-max. But does he relay he went to a doctor in Turkey to revise Marian....'s rev rhino?
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can we stop with this silly game re: censoring the name?
M is my surgeon, irrespective of whatever SJ has been telling people, and if GJ isn't also going to delete every mention of Zarrinbal's name (who probably quite literally owes his international popularity and name recognition online to SJ.) it is hardly fair or rational.
What exactly is the reason for doing this? Naturally people are going to recommend doctors they have personal experience with. I KNOW i had a post in here where i listed at least 6 names meeting the OP's criteria, and it's gotten black-hole'd over i can only imagine me mentioning MY surgeon's name as ONE OF many.
For f**k's sake, I have contributed a lot to this forum and always helped people out to the best of my ability when they contacted me, unlike certain former members who came in, squeezed people for all the information they could while jealously guarding their own, and then f**ked off for good when they had gotten what they wanted. I am too tainted by association with SJ simply because I have been friendly with him? At what point does this silliness stop and I can actually recommend based on my OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, like everyone sane does?
EDIT: furthermore, all sorts of names get thrown around here by people who haven't even consulted the surgeon. Without throwing people under the bus, i can think of at least 2 posters in particular who have name dropped all kinds of names simply because they came across them while clicking on google. Meanwhile I have actually had surgery with a surgeon, and apparently this name is verboten simply because SJ has recommended him to people as he did with Zarrinbal, and yet Z's name is all over this f**king board.
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can we stop with this silly game re: censoring the name?
M is my surgeon, irrespective of whatever SJ has been telling people, and if GJ isn't also going to delete every mention of Zarrinbal's name (who probably quite literally owes his international popularity and name recognition online to SJ.) it is hardly fair or rational.
What exactly is the reason for doing this? Naturally people are going to recommend doctors they have personal experience with. I KNOW i had a post in here where i listed at least 6 names meeting the OP's criteria, and it's gotten black-hole'd over i can only imagine me mentioning MY surgeon's name as ONE OF many.
For f**k's sake, I have contributed a lot to this forum and always helped people out to the best of my ability when they contacted me, unlike certain former members who came in, squeezed people for all the information they could while jealously guarding their own, and then f**ked off for good when they had gotten what they wanted. I am too tainted by association with SJ simply because I have been friendly with him? At what point does this silliness stop and I can actually recommend based on my OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, like everyone sane does?
EDIT: furthermore, all sorts of names get thrown around here by people who haven't even consulted the surgeon. Without throwing people under the bus, i can think of at least 2 posters in particular who have name dropped all kinds of names simply because they came across them while clicking on google. Meanwhile I have actually had surgery with a surgeon, and apparently this name is verboten simply because SJ has recommended him to people as he did with Zarrinbal, and yet Z's name is all over this f**king board.
Well, why don't you just recommend Marian,,,,, based on the fact he had a HIGH infection rate and chose to put implants in you at SAME time for all i care. you just don't get it. SJ is pushing those doctors and getting people to PARROT their names.
As to my NOT spelling it out, it was because i elected NOT to. I am not aware at this point in time whether or not there is a board function to disallow not spelling out the name. So, I hope you are not requesting that I PARROT his name on here.
However, I do think it's good idea to disallow full spelling of SJ's docs he promotes given his deceptive biz practices.
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Well, why don't you just recommend Marian,,,,, based on the fact he had a HIGH infection rate and chose to put implants in you at SAME time for all i care. you just don't get it. SJ is pushing those doctors and getting people to PARROT their names.
As to my NOT spelling it out, it was because i elected NOT to. I am not aware at this point in time whether or not there is a board function to disallow not spelling out the name. So, I hope you are not requesting that I PARROT his name on here.
However, I do think it's good idea to disallow full spelling of SJ's docs he promotes given his deceptive biz practices.
Its not you im talking about, I've had several posts deleted, and a thread where i spent a lot of time answering questions.
I can only come to the conclusion these posts are getting deleted off mentioning a particular name
edit: and what exactly don't I get?
How the f**k do you propose people come to recommendations other than personal experience? This is insane.
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I've had several posts deleted, and a thread where i spent a lot of time answering questions.
I appreciate you trying to help people and even understand your point: you want to talk about the doctor you used and recommend him if you think he's good, but given what SJ did that isn't happening any time soon. Considering C has a quote on SJ's site about AMF, I can't rule out the depth of this corruption, and therefore they're not getting promotion here. You're free to leave the forum if you don't like it.
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I appreciate you trying to help people and even understand your point: you want to talk about the doctor you used and recommend him if you think he's good, but given what SJ did that isn't happening any time soon. Considering C has a quote on SJ's site about AMF, I can't rule out the doctors, and therefore they're not getting promotion here.
But this is different for Zarrinbal because ??
Do you see my point? Z was completely unknown outside of Germany before SJ's recommendations, but there is no consideration for Z but a certain consideration for M just because hes another doctor SJ had personal experience with?
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How the f**k do you propose people come to recommendations other than personal experience? This is insane.
What is insane is how badly you want to promote M.
Z was well known before SJ.
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What is insane is how badly you want to promote M.
Z was well known before SJ.
How the f**k have been "badly" or otherwise trying to promote him? I had a thread detailing my experience. You deleted that.
In this thread I had a post where he was one of at least SIX DIFFERENT NAMES all meeting the OP's criteria, this too, you deleted. And In fact, in that very post the names i have the most lip service to were Alfaro and Raffiani, not M, who was only mentioned in name and nothing else.
I don't think anyone who can see my post history could accuse me of trying to "promote" M anything beyond saying he was my surgeon, which is a fact, that I had a good experience which is a fact, that I have also had complications post-operatively, that is also a fact. If i was trying to promote or otherwise be a shill, why the f**k would I mention that?
If I seem agitated about this, its because I am. Its really annoying having posts deleted, I don't have to contribute, and given the way this is going, I simply won't from now on.
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I don't think anyone who can see my post history could accuse me of trying to "promote" M anything beyond saying he was my surgeon, which is a fact, that I had a good experience which is a fact, that I have also had complications post-operatively, that is also a fact. If i was trying to promote or otherwise be a shill, why the f**k would I mention that?
Everyone knows the surgeon you used because you mention him a lot. I didn't go back and delete your old posts about him, just the new ones after the SJ fiasco.
I recommend re-reading the registration agreement.
It's not my job to investigate the validity of each post. It's the user's responsibility to post accurate information. SJ did not do that with regard to your surgeon, and therefore I'm making the decision not to allow promotion of that surgeon at this time. It's best if you leave, so go ahead and do so. When we get M patients in here who aren't connected to SJ it will be a better and more accurate situation for patients. You were too dense to realize that now is not the best time to yap about M, and doubly dense not to drop it when you got a valid explanation. Those crazy emotions got the best of you.
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SJ was always talking s**t about Raffaini. He even said a family member of his had a bad experience/result with Raffaini and he should be avoided. Raffaini has been famous on jaw surgery forums for a long time due to a couple of his B/As that are among the best in the business. He also trained with Arnett.
There was one poster here who had sleep apnea surgery with Alfaro and sang his praises. Alfaro is famous for his minimally invasive surgery techniques and for being able to do bimax in under two hours, which makes the recovery much easier for the patient.
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Everyone knows the surgeon you used because you mention him a lot. I didn't go back and delete your old posts about him, just the new ones after the SJ fiasco.
I recommend re-reading the registration agreement.
It's not my job to investigate the validity of each post. It's the user's responsibility to post accurate information. SJ did not do that with regard to your surgeon, and therefore I'm making the decision not to allow promotion of that surgeon at this time. It's best if you leave, so go ahead and do so. When we get M patients in here who aren't connected to SJ it will be a better and more accurate situation for patients. You were too dense to realize that now is not the best time to yap about M, and doubly dense not to drop it when you got a valid explanation. Those crazy emotions got the best of you.
It's like insane. Here Marian.... had high infection rate for implants and elected to give ppsk them WITH maxfax and ppsk still does not get it. It's like these SJ followers are all UNDER THE INFLUENCE of SJ.
OMG. ppsk could even possibly go after SJ legally for deceptive practices like IF NOT for SJ's promotions under deception ppsk would not have found Marian....
But ppsk still wants to PARROT PROMOTE M's name on here.
In MARKETING, the phenomenon SJ is doing is something I call 'PPP', Push and Parrot Phenomena. It's where the BRAND INFLUENCER in social media PUSHES something and gets OTHERS to PARROT what he's pushing. The phenomena or the push by the PUSHER and subsequently the PARROTING of the names by those on social media he INFLUENCES, puts a 'buzz' on a doctor's name where the REPETITION of it has a MARKETING effect for the doctor. That is one thing being addressed here.
The other thing is that because of SJ's DECEPTIVE biz/marketing practices where some doctors names are those he promotes which get parroted, his deceptive practices have given them a 'questionable' appearance. That is to say, the association EVEN if we don't know all the facts, is one where they are somehow associated with SJ's DECEPTION. That's another reason for their names not to be spelled out. For example, if at each mention of one of their names someone said something like, 'Oh, that doc must be in the bag with SJ's deceptive biz', that sort of thing is made LESS by not spelling out their names. So, also has somewhat of a protective element for them.
Bottom line is that because they have been promoted on here via the PARROTING of names where the PUSH to do so arises from SJ's INFLUENCE, the mod, GJ is doing the RIGHT thing by disallowing full spelling of the names and/or deleting entries where a party clearly under the INFLUENCE of SJ is appearing to push and parrot the name/s.
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I have heard of other surgeons putting jaw implants in at the same time as jaw surgery.
Personally, I believe that ppsk was a patient of M, in which case he wasn't parroting or intentionally promoting imo.
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SJ was always talking s**t about Raffaini. He even said a family member of his had a bad experience/result with Raffaini and he should be avoided. Raffaini has been famous on jaw surgery forums for a long time due to a couple of his B/As that are among the best in the business. He also trained with Arnett.
There was one poster here who had sleep apnea surgery with Alfaro and sang his praises. Alfaro is famous for his minimally invasive surgery techniques and for being able to do bimax in under two hours, which makes the recovery much easier for the patient.
Exactly and because of that, he redirects to M..... Not to mention, the deceptive practices of SJ even calls into question if a family member actually had such a bad experience. Can't be proved or disproved. But circumstances of his deceptive biz practices do justify disregarding many of his claims.
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calls into question if a family member actually had such a bad experience.
Well I always thought it was weird that he was interested in jaw surgery and his cousin just happens to have jaw surgery with one of the surgeons discussed on the board. Most people that need jaw surgery don't even know about it so I thought that was far fetched.
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I have heard of other surgeons putting jaw implants in at the same time as jaw surgery.
Personally, I believe that ppsk was a patient of M, in which case he wasn't parroting or intentionally promoting imo.
Well, it can be done. But it's a function of the risk profile of the doctor. ppsk said his doctor told him there is 20% chance of infection. 10% chance infection with no relief from AB protocol and 10% chance of infection with relief from AB protocol.
That's a high risk profile for infection to be putting in the implants at same time.
There is no question about ppsk being a patient of the doctor.
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I have heard of other surgeons putting jaw implants in at the same time as jaw surgery.
Personally, I believe that ppsk was a patient of M, in which case he wasn't parroting or intentionally promoting imo.
Agreed, at least I don't think ppsk is a promoter at this point since he actually went through surgery with him. But I'm not really paying this drama my closest attention, & respect GJ's points as he definitely seems 110% certain of them. Maybe there's some merit (that I'm not following) in cleaning the board of any patient post surgery testimonials from docs SJ promoted, due to the unverifiable connections with SJ. Seems like a bit of a stretch from where I'm sitting. But from the mods perspective, I get not wanting any doc to profit off his forum by a "PPP" spokesperson, like SJ, starting a domino affect. Eventually the forum will be ingrained with a bunch of patient testimonials from only the docs that were promoted, and it'll be a vicious cycle where no other doc becomes known except the ones originally promoted.
Heck SJ wanted to steer me away from Gunson over to M b/c he claimed to have known people on this forum (circa like 2012-2014, mentioned usernames) who had surgery with G and have had persistent medical issues since. I can't verify that obviously but assuming the darkest of intents, SJ was trying to scare me out of big CCW rotation docs and over to his chosen one. Fortunately I don't think I need to follow Gunson's big posterior downgrafting plan to a T anyways for the affect I think I want.
Regardless, sorry to see your struggles here, PPSK.
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Heck SJ wanted to steer me away from Gunson over to M b/c he claimed to have known people on this forum (circa like 2012-2014, mentioned usernames) who had surgery with G and have had persistent medical issues since. I can't verify that obviously but assuming the darkest of intents, SJ was trying to scare me out of big CCW rotation docs and over to his chosen one. Fortunately I don't think I need to follow Gunson's big posterior downgrafting plan to a T anyways for the affect I think I want.
Regardless, sorry to see your struggles here, PPSK.
That's pretty creepy thinking about it now, how manipulative he was, but why would he be so eager for you to go with M if he WASNT getting commission?
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Agreed, at least I don't think ppsk is a promoter at this point since he actually went through surgery with him. But I'm not really paying this drama my closest attention, & respect GJ's points as he definitely seems 110% certain of them. Maybe there's some merit (that I'm not following) in cleaning the board of any patient post surgery testimonials from docs SJ promoted, due to the unverifiable connections with SJ. Seems like a bit of a stretch from where I'm sitting. But from the mods perspective, I get not wanting any doc to profit off his forum by a "PPP" spokesperson, like SJ, starting a domino affect. Eventually the forum will be ingrained with a bunch of patient testimonials from only the docs that were promoted, and it'll be a vicious cycle where no other doc becomes known except the ones originally promoted.
Heck SJ wanted to steer me away from Gunson over to M b/c he claimed to have known people on this forum (circa like 2012-2014, mentioned usernames) who had surgery with G and have had persistent medical issues since. I can't verify that obviously but assuming the darkest of intents, SJ was trying to scare me out of big CCW rotation docs and over to his chosen one. Fortunately I don't think I need to follow Gunson's big posterior downgrafting plan to a T anyways for the affect I think I want.
Regardless, sorry to see your struggles here, PPSK.
What surprises me is that user ppsk had jaw implants with Dr M while during my consultation with him last month he said he is against any kind of implant and recommended fillers instead.
He was even referring to it as prosthesis (Italian word) which I had no idea what was he talking about for a while.
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What surprises me is that user ppsk had jaw implants with Dr M while during my consultation with him last month he said he is against any kind of implant and recommended fillers instead.
He was even referring to it as prosthesis (Italian word) which I had no idea what was he talking about for a while.
Weird.
PPSK had infection, right? Maybe M is now against them because of infection?
I have no idea. To me the entire situation is weird, and I feel for anyone in Italy who needs surgery. SJ broke the market.
That's pretty creepy thinking about it now, how manipulative he was, but why would he be so eager for you to go with M if he WASNT getting commission?
He claims because he believes in it and wants to help people.
Unfortunately, none of his public behavior online (or private behavior where he tried to clandestinely buy my forum to further promote AMF) suggests the slightest hint of altruism, and actions > words.
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Agreed, at least I don't think ppsk is a promoter at this point since he actually went through surgery with him. But I'm not really paying this drama my closest attention, & respect GJ's points as he definitely seems 110% certain of them. Maybe there's some merit (that I'm not following) in cleaning the board of any patient post surgery testimonials from docs SJ promoted, due to the unverifiable connections with SJ. Seems like a bit of a stretch from where I'm sitting. But from the mods perspective, I get not wanting any doc to profit off his forum by a "PPP" spokesperson, like SJ, starting a domino affect. Eventually the forum will be ingrained with a bunch of patient testimonials from only the docs that were promoted, and it'll be a vicious cycle where no other doc becomes known except the ones originally promoted.
Heck SJ wanted to steer me away from Gunson over to M b/c he claimed to have known people on this forum (circa like 2012-2014, mentioned usernames) who had surgery with G and have had persistent medical issues since. I can't verify that obviously but assuming the darkest of intents, SJ was trying to scare me out of big CCW rotation docs and over to his chosen one. Fortunately I don't think I need to follow Gunson's big posterior downgrafting plan to a T anyways for the affect I think I want.
Regardless, sorry to see your struggles here, PPSK.
I think what GJ is wanting ppsk to understand is that this is just not the 'right time' to be dropping M's name given the circumstances. The promos of M, ultimately converge to SJ's mention and that includes behind the scenes and that brought in a lot of parroting of his name. So ppsk is not really the promoter. It's just that this is not a good time to parrot or otherwise drop that doctor's name.
ppsk seems like a NICE person albeit somewhat unmindful of why the mod needs to do what he's doing at this point in time due to the SJ circumstances.
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Regarding the original thread subject, when patients praise their surgeon, one should be mindful of the Stockholm syndrome. It can last upto a year. I know this firsthand.
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Ppsk is a good guy. He just wants to extricate his experience with M from the SJ saga but its a bit hard right now.
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Weird....it's getting kind of scary. Like who knows where M was on the learning curve when he put them in at same time and who knows if SJ was just finding people for him to practice on. As to implants, he would frequently trash the implants and the doctors who did them along with the well know top of the field max fax docs in effort to re-direct to M.
Weird.
PPSK had infection, right? Maybe M is now against them because of infection?
I have no idea. To me the entire situation is weird, and I feel for anyone in Italy who needs surgery. SJ broke the market.
He claims because he believes in it and wants to help people.
Unfortunately, none of his public behavior online (or private behavior where he tried to clandestinely buy my forum to further promote AMF) suggests the slightest hint of altruism, and actions > words.
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I think what GJ is wanting ppsk to understand is that this is just not the 'right time' to be dropping M's name given the circumstances. The promos of M, ultimately converge to SJ's mention and that includes behind the scenes and that brought in a lot of parroting of his name.
Exactly, especially since I gave him what I thought was a clear explanation, and told him I get where he's coming from. Yet, instead of "Alright, I'll wait a bit and talk about it once this all passes" he fired back with more Grade A, indignant/self-righteous rage-ahol. Anyway, I gave him a week ban so he can calm down. Whether he comes back or not I really don't care. Agree with others he seemed like an okay guy for the most part. Polasko brings up a good point about Stockholm Syndrome...apparently it's not only a phenomena with a doctor but also SJ.
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Weird is the word. M is recently( couple of weeks ago) offering implants.
Dervyx ,you sure , something was not lost in translation?
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Exactly, especially since I gave him what I thought was a clear explanation, and told him I get where he's coming from. Yet, instead of "Alright, I'll wait a bit and talk about it once this all passes" he fired back with more Grade A, indignant/self-righteous rage-ahol. Anyway, I gave him a week ban so he can calm down. Whether he comes back or not I really don't care. Agree with others he seemed like an okay guy for the most part. Polasko brings up a good point about Stockholm Syndrome...apparently it's not only a phenomena with a doctor but also SJ.
Well, not to be too specific here but SJ has certain 'abilities' as to how to endear and influence people as to any character he chooses to play. ppsk might not realize it's all an act.
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Nothing about jaw surgery can ever be simple, not even the recommendation of surgeons god damnit!!! so much smoke and mirrors. Anyways...
Defrancq seems like a decent surgeon to me and has been extremely helpful in answering any questions I had over email. Haven't been to see him in person but plan on doing so once I address some health concerns.
Raffaini also seems decent from the stuff I have seen from him online.
Alfaro is also decent from what I've heard, he can perform surgery first and does CCW so his surgical skill is quite good. Haven't seen many results from him.
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Personal consult experience:
This is for surgery first bimax + genio / chin wing
Both had the best B/As I've ever seen. Raffaini in person B/As were different from the famous ones from his website.
Alfaro is a leading name in terms of surgery first research publications in Europe, so might be a solid option as well. I have no personal experience with him. As far as I know his price is similar to Raffaini.
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Personal consult experience:
This is for surgery first bimax + genio / chin wing
Both had the best B/As I've ever seen. Raffaini in person B/As were different from the famous ones from his website.
Alfaro is a leading name in terms of surgery first research publications in Europe, so might be a solid option as well. I have no personal experience with him. As far as I know his price is similar to Raffaini.
Prices can't be discussed outside of PM
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Personal consult experience:
This is for surgery first bimax + genio / chin wing
Both had the best B/As I've ever seen. Raffaini in person B/As were different from the famous ones from his website.
Alfaro is a leading name in terms of surgery first research publications in Europe, so might be a solid option as well. I have no personal experience with him. As far as I know his price is similar to Raffaini.
Surprised you were offered jaw surgery - you don't need it.
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Surprised you were offered jaw surgery - you don't need it.
R wanted to advance him 10 mms.
(In all fairness hypothetical sleep apnea was apparently in the mix)
But BOTH HIS jaws...advanced 10 mms. Jeez.
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R wanted to advance him 10 mms.
(In all fairness hypothetical sleep apnea was apparently in the mix)
But BOTH HIS jaws...advanced 10 mms. Jeez.
When ppl leave it generic like that, do I assume jaw + genio is included in this #? if so then yeah may as well just get an sg and keep a year of quality life, generically speaking.
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He wanted to advance his maxilla by 10 mm , assuming his mandible by the same and then genio. I think. Anyway would have been overkill and would have risked this guy's otherwise harmonious features.
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Personal consult experience:
This is for surgery first bimax + genio / chin wing
Both had the best B/As I've ever seen. Raffaini in person B/As were different from the famous ones from his website.
Alfaro is a leading name in terms of surgery first research publications in Europe, so might be a solid option as well. I have no personal experience with him. As far as I know his price is similar to Raffaini.
If my memory serves me right regarding photos you showed here prior, the type of surgery that would benefit you FIRST would be the hyoid surgery, fat removal from DEEP tissues in the anterior neck triangle and a genio along with that.
I don't want to drop doctor names here but will confirm that you had 'THE' doctor's name who is very conversant in addressing the above mentioned areas which I told you prior were the crux of your problem.
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He wanted to advance his maxilla by 10 mm , assuming his mandible by the same and then genio. I think. Anyway would have been overkill and would have risked this guy's otherwise harmonious features.
Correct about the plan. Again, in his defense there was strong suspicion that I might have sleep apnea and I did have narrow airways. My sleep test cleared me of sleep apnea, but another sleep disorder was diagnosed.
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If my memory serves me right regarding photos you showed here prior, the type of surgery that would benefit you FIRST would be the hyoid surgery, fat removal from DEEP tissues in the anterior neck triangle and a genio along with that.
I don't want to drop doctor names here but will confirm that you had 'THE' doctor's name who is very conversant in addressing the above mentioned areas which I told you prior were the crux of your problem.
THE doctor told me to either get genio first or get both genio + hyoid surgery at the same time. I wasn't comfortable with getting genio with him - he's not a maxfac and yes genio is relatively easy, but I would rather have it done by maxfac. So I'm having standalone genio next week and then hyoid surgery 6-8 weeks later with THE doctor.
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THE doctor told me to either get genio first or get both genio + hyoid surgery at the same time. I wasn't comfortable with getting genio with him - he's not a maxfac and yes genio is relatively easy, but I would rather have it done by maxfac. So I'm having standalone genio next week and then hyoid surgery 6-8 weeks later with THE doctor.
He's good at genios. Started as max fax but had a bigger call for PS. But what he told you was fine.