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General Category => Aesthetics => Topic started by: tim06 on January 07, 2018, 11:15:10 AM
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There is a Dr Steinbrech in New York claiming that he achieved the following result just with the use of injectable fillers. Here you can find the full gallery with multiple angles: https://maleplasticsurgerynewyork.com/model-makeover-gallery/
Do you think this can be true? I think the result is awesome and just the thought that this can be achieved by one or multiple sessions of low risk dermal filler injections lets me book a flight to New York.
(https://cdn-mf0.heartyhosting.com/sites/mensfitness.com/files/styles/gallery_slideshow_image/public/jaw-augmentation.jpg)
Moderators note: The original title of this post was: 'Best results with fillers I have ever seen' [photos included]. I changed it so there is a 'heads up' on this doctor. Kavan
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Jesus christ that's amazing.
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It even helped with his scleral show. Stupidjaws had similar results from his fillers.
I was telling everyone that the ZSO and the chinwing hardly helped him, it was mostly
the fillers he was getting. So I kind of knew these results were possible.
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They are possible when the filler is 'fresh'. After a while the result can kind of look a little shop worn as the 'sharpness' it kicks up initially kind of blunts over time. For what he got to the jaws, the filler would have to be high viscosity (thick).
Lazlo,
SJ used 'Macrolane' which is a really THICK filler because it's meant for the BODY. The doc who did it (Big Belly) was in the bag with SJ (condoned his non disclosure of owning the biz he hid he owned via endorsing it) and wrote a paper about using Macrolane (a body filler) with SJ as the 'model' for it. Tim06 in another thread, mentioned that it's been discontinued 'banned?' for use in Europe.
I would make damned sure and double check that the patient in that photo is 'JUST' filler and that it is not a bait and switch for implants as the guy does do jaw implants.
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Whatever was really used, he looks great in the after photo but why does his nose now look wonky?
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They are possible when the filler is 'fresh'. After a while the result can kind of look a little shop worn as the 'sharpness' it kicks up initially kind of blunts over time. For what he got to the jaws, the filler would have to be high viscosity (thick).
Lazlo,
SJ used 'Macrolane' which is a really THICK filler because it's meant for the BODY. The doc who did it (Big Belly) was in the bag with SJ (condoned his non disclosure of owning the biz he hid he owned via endorsing it) and wrote a paper about using Macrolane (a body filler) with SJ as the 'model' for it. Tim06 in another thread, mentioned that it's been discontinued 'banned?' for use in Europe.
I would make damned sure and double check that the patient in that photo is 'JUST' filler and that it is not a bait and switch for implants as the guy does do jaw implants.
I can attest to the sharpness going. But it does look more natural as the swelling goes down. I find that a drawback, having to have the swollen look for a good month every year before it fully settles just to maintain the filler in the jaw. I only got left gonial angle and chin.
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They are possible when the filler is 'fresh'. After a while the result can kind of look a little shop worn as the 'sharpness' it kicks up initially kind of blunts over time. For what he got to the jaws, the filler would have to be high viscosity (thick).
Lazlo,
SJ used 'Macrolane' which is a really THICK filler because it's meant for the BODY. The doc who did it (Big Belly) was in the bag with SJ (condoned his non disclosure of owning the biz he hid he owned via endorsing it) and wrote a paper about using Macrolane (a body filler) with SJ as the 'model' for it. Tim06 in another thread, mentioned that it's been discontinued 'banned?' for use in Europe.
I would make damned sure and double check that the patient in that photo is 'JUST' filler and that it is not a bait and switch for implants as the guy does do jaw implants.
Yes it is indeed banned in Europe, I contacted the doctor to get more details about the procedure this patient actually got.
I don't think it was just filler but mandibular jaw implants and a chin implant. I don't think it is possible to achieve anything close to that with dermal fillers.
Here you can see a video of it on youtube but the patient already looks like in the 'after' picture before the doctor even starts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtCOaxPgBEw&lc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V1-ton4F3I
Lol at this doc tbh.
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Tell me this isn't the same guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtCOaxPgBEw
UNLESS this guy in the youtube video isn't the same one in the photo, (I think it IS the same one!), it's what I suspected from the photo as in 'bait and switch'. So, I think it's the same guy because his photo is used to CLICK onto this youtube video. However, when he's shown in the youtube video, he ALREADY has his jaw augmentation (maybe via implants)! I guess this doc knows how GULLIBLE the under 25 'I want to look like a male model' guy really is.
Here's your real 'male model' surgery with filler in the following youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=159&v=4V1-ton4F3I
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V1-ton4F3I
Lol at this doc tbh.
I know. I was observing the same before I saw the other posts . Glad you guys observed the same. I knew something was up with this doc as that really being a filler result which was why I said to double check and make sure.
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Yes it is indeed banned in Europe, I contacted the doctor to get more details about the procedure this patient actually got.
I don't think it was just filler but mandibular jaw implants and a chin implant. I don't think it is possible to achieve anything close to that with dermal fillers.
Here you can see a video of it on youtube but the patient already looks like in the 'after' picture before the doctor even starts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtCOaxPgBEw&lc
Yup. That's why I said:
"I would make damned sure and double check that the patient in that photo is 'JUST' filler and that it is not a bait and switch for implants as the guy does do jaw implants." Glad you guys also double checked.
That outcome was SUSPECT to me. 10 to 1 he BAITS with that photo and when they come in to have something like that with filler, he sells them on the implants first and then puts the filler over it.
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Does anybody on this string mind if I change the title from: 'Best results with fillers I have ever seen.' to: 'Bait and Switch Male Model Surgery Doctor'.
I'd like to do that because I think this is an unethical marketing technique where he's clearly exploiting the gullibility of the 'I want to look like a model' young guys. I wanna bust this doc's balls for that underhanded come-on.
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Does anybody on this string mind if I change the title from: 'Best results with fillers I have ever seen.' to: 'Bait and Switch Male Model Surgery Doctor'.
I'd like to do that because I think this is an unethical marketing technique where he's clearly exploiting the gullibility of the 'I want to look like a model' young guys. I wanna bust this doc's balls for that underhanded come-on.
I contacted him today lets wait at least for his response to it.
Maybe he admits that the patient got other procedures done and not only fillers.
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I contacted him today lets wait at least for his response to it.
Maybe he admits that the patient got other procedures done and not only fillers.
he's doing something disingenuous in his presentation. So what if he admits it to you. That's one person. On the photo series of that patient, his claim is that it's ALL filler. Same patient is in the youtube but he already has jaw augmentation in that. Doc on the youtube says NOTHING about whether the same patient getting filler on the youtube had prior filler with him or implants. He needs to disclose to the audience he's marketing to what the patient had because the presentation IS questionable in light of that patient already having jaw augmentation in the youtube video.
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Okay guys, you know I'm the expert in PS here. At least in analysis of photos. And the reason I was so excited and suprrised is because I f**king wanted to believe it was true.
From the video you can tell the guy in the video has already had jaw angle implants. HE's had cheekbones and full wrap around chin/jaw implant. You can tell because when he smiles his teeth look like a f**king frankenstein creature and that's a result I've seen in a lot of people who have those implants.
The after photo has been massively retouched also and lens tricks to shorten his face, make his eyes appear wider etc. I already knew that but I believed the before was him and the after only fillers.
END OF STORY. ITS NOT. THERE'S A MISSING PIC THERE. GUY BEFORE IMPLANTS AND AFTER IMPLANTS. AFTER IMPLANTS IS WHAT YOU SEE IN THE START OF THE VIDEO. THE DUDE LOOKS LIKE s**t. AND HE STILL LOOKS LIKE s**t AFTER THE INJECTIONS. THIS DOC IS A f**kING LIAR. I WOULDN"T TRUST HIM.
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While he looks better, there's no fixing that long midface.
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Lol @ colored contacts too.
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Okay guys, you know I'm the expert in PS here. At least in analysis of photos. And the reason I was so excited and suprrised is because I f**king wanted to believe it was true.
From the video you can tell the guy in the video has already had jaw angle implants. HE's had cheekbones and full wrap around chin/jaw implant. You can tell because when he smiles his teeth look like a f**king frankenstein creature and that's a result I've seen in a lot of people who have those implants.
The after photo has been massively retouched also and lens tricks to shorten his face, make his eyes appear wider etc. I already knew that but I believed the before was him and the after only fillers.
END OF STORY. ITS NOT. THERE'S A MISSING PIC THERE. GUY BEFORE IMPLANTS AND AFTER IMPLANTS. AFTER IMPLANTS IS WHAT YOU SEE IN THE START OF THE VIDEO. THE DUDE LOOKS LIKE s**t. AND HE STILL LOOKS LIKE s**t AFTER THE INJECTIONS. THIS DOC IS A f**kING LIAR. I WOULDN"T TRUST HIM.
Yes thats what I thought, too. He got mandibular implants but I still think it looks pretty good don't you?
Much better than anything you can achieve with Chin Wing.
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The jaw implants look good, I wonder what material they are?
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The point of this--you know I changed the topic title to BAIT AND SWITCH for that reason-- is that doctor does NOT DESERVE any discussion (here) as to that patient looking good. That's because of his withholding disclosure of what else the patient had prior to fillers and instead show casing the photos of that patient as 'Filler ONLY' on his website.
The most applicable presentation of 'Male Model' transformation with 'Filler only' is of the OTHER patient shown on this string.
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....... THIS DOC IS A f**kING LIAR. I WOULDN"T TRUST HIM.
Another thing about this doctor can be found by going to Real Self and looking at the types of questions he gravitates to.
"Most popular answers from...."
He's got 36 responses/answers to questions. BREAST AUGMENTATIION/implants and tummy tuck being 22 of them. He's not even gravitating to the 'I want to look more like the photo of a male model' type questions.
He just knows/sees that a lot of young guys are doing GOOGLE SEARCHES and discussing how to get the male model look (maybe he sees that on Lookism site) and with that, he makes a DOMAIN NAME of 'Male model plastic surgery' with a section of 'male model makeover'. I think he just knows that a lot of; 'I want to look like a male model' types can be easily DUPED. LOL
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Unfortunately that's how the world works. It's marketing. A lot of types who do this sort of underhanded move believe that if you can be beguiled, you deserve to be beguiled. It's not their responsibility, is how they think.
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Unfortunately that's how the world works. It's marketing. A lot of types who do this sort of underhanded move believe that if you can be beguiled, you deserve to be beguiled. It's not their responsibility, is how they think.
So, the policy basically resolves to: 'Let them stay stupid.'
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So, the policy basically resolves to: 'Let them stay stupid.'
Of course. For any professional that makes money off of highly specialized knowledge, it's in their interests to hoard that knowledge and to keep you oblivious to their "magic.
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Of course. For any professional that makes money off of highly specialized knowledge, it's in their interests to hoard that knowledge and to keep you oblivious to their "magic.
You are being an apologist for his type of presentation?
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Yeah doctors much prefer ignorant patients. If you know just a bit more than nothing, you're immediately classified as a "difficult patient".
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You are being an apologist for his type of presentation?
Did I say That? I'm saying that's just the way some professionals are. I'm not surprised this was done especially from a plastic surgery doc and neither should you be
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BTW for anyone who hasn't had fillers and doesn't know first-hand what the limitations are, all it does is add mass to the injected area. Sure it adds projection, but it doesn't create the sharp edges in the cheekbones or jawline of a male model's face. In fact it often rounds out those edges.
Think about it, how would it be possible for filler to create a sharp jawline? Even if you inject right along the edge of the bone, the filler will absorb all AROUND that bony edge thus washing out it's sharp edge.
Fillers still have their place. Perfect for females. And for some guys who have dished in midfaces. I had it done and it didn't do MUCH but there is a little improvement to my cheek bones. Didn't get jawline done. It also worked well for my tear through (eliminated the line) and the concave area where my recessed upper jaw is. Slight improvement. And where it DID add lateral and anterior projection of my cheekbones it definitely did not make them sharp.
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Did I say That? I'm saying that's just the way some professionals are. I'm not surprised this was done especially from a plastic surgery doc and neither should you be
No. You didn't say outright you were being an apologist for the guy. I was asking if you were because the statement resonated with a little ring of such.
Thing is the guy is an ASAPS member where a higher bar of ethics is expected and for that reason, I am surprised.
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No. You didn't say outright you were being an apologist for the guy. I was asking if you were because the statement resonated with a little ring of such.
Thing is the guy is an ASAPS member where a higher bar of ethics is expected and for that reason, I am surprised.
Isn't there a way to report him for this kind of misleading advertising?
In the country where I am from before/after pictures are totally illegal and doctors would have to pay huge fines if they published any.
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Isn't there a way to report him for this kind of misleading advertising?
In the country where I am from before/after pictures are totally illegal and doctors would have to pay huge fines if they published any.
I would suggest sending an email to him threatening that we're unmasking him on all the top PS and facial surgery websites will be more than enough. I did that once to a scar revision doc who had put up clearly retouched photos on his site. Of course all of them were erased right after and an apology was written to me. We have power.
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Isn't there a way to report him for this kind of misleading advertising?
In the country where I am from before/after pictures are totally illegal and doctors would have to pay huge fines if they published any.
An alert to ASAPS ethics committee if one of his peers do it. Countries that forbid befores and afters probably see this type of conduct and elect to nix it in the bud by disallowing all before/after presentations in a public venue aimed at promotions.
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An alert to ASAPS ethics committee if one of his peers do it. Countries that forbid befores and afters probably see this type of conduct and elect to nix it in the bud by disallowing all before/after presentations in a public venue aimed at promotions.
Lets wait for his response first, I am pretty interested how he will respond to my inquiry.
Also my intention was not to discuss this shady doctor but how to achieve this results.
Even if we just assume this are implants, this is also the best mandibular implant result I have ever seen.
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Lets wait for his response first, I am pretty interested how he will respond to my inquiry.
Also my intention was not to discuss this shady doctor but how to achieve this results.
Even if we just assume this are implants, this is also the best mandibular implant result I have ever seen.
OK. We can give him a chance to redeem himself. I too am curious if you get a direct response telling you it's an implant with filler used over it or one that says; 'Thank you for contacting___________. Please come in for a consultation to discuss which options are best for you.'
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This was the only actual answer to my question, the rest of the response was a template with payment plans and the cost of the consultation which is $200:
PRICING: The amount of your investment depends on what you ultimately decide to do. See below for what the patient in the video had.
Voluma: $1200 per syringe (4-6 syringes)
Chin implants: range from $6,000-$7,000 depending on anesthesia. This can be done in office either under local or IV sedation.
Buccal Fat Excision: $6,150
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It does seem pretty much what I anticipated which basically is 'template'.
Also seems like he's somewhat admitting that the patient had MORE than 'just filler'. Thing is admitting that to you doesn't really redeem him because he doesn't disclose it on his website.
I'm sorry but there is just something swarmy about this doc. You see it in the other video (dark haired patient with billowy face), where the doc is doing 'Emperor With New Clothes' suggestion of; 'Oh look, now I'm injecting and he's becoming just like a male model'...
I would just stick to the better known implant guys who are more forthright.
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So... no jaw angle implants? or are they somehow wrapping the jaw part into the plural "chin implants". They're not clear, but that guy seemed to have a super unusually strong jawline. Doesn't seem natural, and I can't pinpoint a time but I feel, from past research of this stuff, docs somehow lump jaw implants of any type into the "chin implant" category. Like a doc will advertise chin implants on their website, but then you come in and turns out the doc offers jaw angle implants as well. If they're saying he's got some implant around his chin, I'm guessing he has a wrap around jaw implant (maybe also called wrap around chin implant). It's less common so the receptionist/whoever handling the email probably isn't used to distinguishing between them in email. That's my massive extrapolation and natural skepticism of docs speaking.
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So... no jaw angle implants? or are they somehow wrapping the jaw part into the plural "chin implants". They're not clear, but that guy seemed to have a super unusually strong jawline. Doesn't seem natural, and I can't pinpoint a time but I feel, from past research of this stuff, docs somehow lump jaw implants of any type into the "chin implant" category. Like a doc will advertise chin implants on their website, but then you come in and turns out the doc offers jaw angle implants as well. If they're saying he's got some implant around his chin, I'm guessing he has a wrap around jaw implant (maybe also called wrap around chin implant). It's less common so the receptionist/whoever handling the email probably isn't used to distinguishing between them in email. That's my massive extrapolation and natural skepticism of docs speaking.
Could be a wrap around implant that augments the whole jaw. Now you got me questioning who wrote him back, the doctor or the secretary. It's the other way around with what docs can write on their website. Like they can say 'jaw implants' and clicking on that resolves to CHIN implants.
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crazy
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In the country where I am from before/after pictures are totally illegal and doctors would have to pay huge fines if they published any.
Which country? As far as I know, in most countries they can publish / publicise patient photos providing they have the consent of the patient.
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This was the only actual answer to my question, the rest of the response was a template with payment plans and the cost of the consultation which is $200:
yup this means he had full jaw angle implants and most probably cheek implants. I can tell cause now his teeth are all weird and his smile is awkward. Implants are the f**king worse. He basically had the Frankenstein Dr. Sailer makeover and the injections are more to soften the hard look of the implants than they are to augment. Also as you see implants look terrible on a long face. Seriously guys, look at the video not at the picture. The picture is photoshoped and lensed differently. This dude had the Franksenstein Sailer makeover.
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Which country?
Germany
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Germany
Oh yeah I forgot about that, but they are allowed to share photos in the consultation right?
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yup this means he had full jaw angle implants and most probably cheek implants. I can tell cause now his teeth are all weird and his smile is awkward. Implants are the f**king worse. He basically had the Frankenstein Dr. Sailer makeover and the injections are more to soften the hard look of the implants than they are to augment. Also as you see implants look terrible on a long face. Seriously guys, look at the video not at the picture. The picture is photoshoped and lensed differently. This dude had the Franksenstein Sailer makeover.
I am looking at the video and don't know wtf you are talking about, is there any serious debate as to whether he looked better pre op?
So you are saying that longer faces with implants don't look as good as faces that fall into ratio norms with implants, so why bother improving?... Seriously?
Sailer doesn't have a monopoly on implants so why does this look like his work to you? Just because they are implants that actually have definition? Well again, he doesn't have a monopoly on that.
You rightly criticize the sleazy and cynical marketing of "male model surgery" but then seem to complain that implants and fillers didn't turn someone with a face on the longer side into a male model.
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Well, surgeons often do not even know what to do with their patients because their initial situation is so bad that it takes a miracle to make them look reasonably good.
Sometimes extreme solutions are needed. Sometimes the extreme way is the only way.
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Well, what ever he got-- whether people like the look or not-- we know that when he went in there for his $200 consult looking like the BEFORE photo, the doctor DID NOT tell him during his consult that he could kick up a result JUST LIKE the AFTER photo (sans contacts and white hair of course) 'with filler only'. Yet the doctor is telling the AUDIENCE looking at those photos on his website that it's 'filler only'.
That photo is BAIT for guys to go in 'for filler only' (for effect like that patient). The SWITCH is when the doctor tells the guys (who got hooked into the consult via that presentation) that such an effect on THEM would be better achieved with OTHER procedures in ADDITION to the filler. So, the patient in the photo didn't get the BAIT AND SWITCH but people going in there based on his photos and the doc's description of 'filler only' (so BAITED by those photos) will get the SWITCH.
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SPOILER ALERT:
NO ONE is going to look like a male model unless they start out with those very (horizontally) long and narrow eyes with one eye width between the 'long' eyes.
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Yep and it's ok to just improve.
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SPOILER ALERT:
NO ONE is going to look like a male model unless they start out with those very (horizontally) long and narrow eyes with one eye width between the 'long' eyes.
oh yeah you got me so wet in my panties. can't you get those eyes from dr. taban with a canthoplasty or some s**t?
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SPOILER ALERT:
NO ONE is going to look like a male model unless they start out with those very (horizontally) long and narrow eyes with one eye width between the 'long' eyes.
Female models have the same eyes.
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oh yeah you got me so wet in my panties. can't you get those eyes from dr. taban with a canthoplasty or some s**t?
No
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Female models have the same eyes.
Yes. True. But here is male model topic.
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oh yeah you got me so wet in my panties. can't you get those eyes from dr. taban with a canthoplasty or some s**t?
No.
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SPOILER ALERT:
NO ONE is going to look like a male model unless they start out with those very (horizontally) long and narrow eyes with one eye width between the 'long' eyes.
Okay I'm introducing a new term here on the forum its JANK (verb: meaning to use surgical means to approximate a hot male model look).
So what I wanted to say. First, Kavan, I jerked off vigorously to those pics of eyes you just posted. SHot three sweet loads. Nice work.
In any case, you can definitely jank this look. What you have there are basically examples of hooded eyes and I'm sure you can find a surgeon who will jank that. It might require some sort of eyelid surgery plus fat grafting and HA etc. and maybe even orbital rim contouring but can't it be done? I have rather large eyes and I'm like maybe 70 percent there already so I don't think I'd need a lot of work to jank this.
Please start using the verb "jank" throughout the forum and I'm sure it will really go viral. Cheers. L.
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Okay I'm introducing a new term here on the forum its JANK (verb: meaning to use surgical means to approximate a hot male model look).
So what I wanted to say. First, Kavan, I jerked off vigorously to those pics of eyes you just posted. SHot three sweet loads. Nice work.
In any case, you can definitely jank this look. What you have there are basically examples of hooded eyes and I'm sure you can find a surgeon who will jank that. It might require some sort of eyelid surgery plus fat grafting and HA etc. and maybe even orbital rim contouring but can't it be done? I have rather large eyes and I'm like maybe 70 percent there already so I don't think I'd need a lot of work to jank this.
Please start using the verb "jank" throughout the forum and I'm sure it will really go viral. Cheers. L.
OMG. I can't read this. There is something gumming up my screen where it's all milky and cloudy and now I can't read the text.
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OMG. I can't read this. There is something gumming up my screen where it's all milky and cloudy and now I can't read the text.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D LOL :-* Yeah but can you JANK-it?
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D LOL :-* Yeah but can you JANK-it?
You know if you put an 'A' after 'Jank' you have Janka which is a Hungarian name as is Lazlo.
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While he looks better, there's no fixing that long midface.
his mid face isn't really the problem at this point since he managed to get the lower third lengthened enough to match. it's the short forehead that is making him look off in the video. that is why in the before and after images the doc has cut off the forehead midway and he manages to look pretty ok. his head looks massive though so i can only imagine how bobble-headed he looked with a longer forehead.
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I wanna party with these guys:
They're janky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKuPsxYy0Ek
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I wanna party with these guys:
They're janky
Those guys look like they'ed by happy to fill up your face.
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Those guys look like they'ed by happy to fill up your face.
Fill up my face? I want like both of them plus some of their other boyfriends and me naked and lubed up in baby oil and i want them to all start groping every inch of my body with their mouths.
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Those guys look like they'ed by happy to fill up your face.
We need much more legit posts in this sub about ways to improve your aesthetics without having BSSO, Lefort or lower jaw advancement.
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We need much more legit posts in this sub about ways to improve your aesthetics without having BSSO, Lefort or lower jaw advancement.
I think changing your sexual preferences is an even harder thing to go through honestly.