Author Topic: AnalyzeMyFace Appears to be a Scam  (Read 848 times)

Milli_Meters

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Re: AnalzeMyFace Appears to be a Scam
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2017, 10:01:30 PM »
Also explains why he always shared his results publicly to draw people in.

yeah that struck me as very odd. Why would someone who had that degree of improvement want to advertise it. Most people would just wanna bury the past. I think he was in part altruistically motivated but I guess ultimately succumbed to the temptation of  capitalizing on "incel" desperation of others.


 

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Re: AnalzeMyFace Appears to be a Scam
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2017, 12:29:49 AM »
Based on some of the screenshots that were posted that showed "andreanersani" as a founder of the Italian forum in 2012, it seems safe to say that the accumulation of sock puppet accounts has been going on for years.

I found that Fiverr account and traced the google image. It does lead to some silly stock business photography photos.

https://www.fiverr.com/andreane

http://hollywoodartinstitute.com/destination-stock-photography-a-must-for-every-luxury-villa-owner-2-3-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2/

Theres also a post on another forum that shows that other people have figured it out, from last year:
"i know tyd from italian board on plastic surgery...he is admin's "patrickB" puppet...
btw....patrickb is the same gay who SOLD me a facial analysis for 400000 euro giving me NO HOPE telling me i need osteotomy everywhere even in my ass....JUST LOL at that advice.....just looool..."

And in a different thread there is a post where "TYD/andreanersani/stupidjaws" talks up the "expertise" of nersani who is also apparently himself:

"i dunno bro i have no idea of his coordinates he does morphs maybe not as AMF but still decent tier. i've never seen AMF morphs except the "sample" cuz mystery was A CUCK and did not share pictures. would be really useful to all of us TBH

you can find him in this forum: chirurgiaestetica and his name is "andreanersani" he is very knowledgeable and cool tbh"

That post above pretty much sums it up for me. he's pretending to not know anything about the service when he's the one who seems to be running the whole show.

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Re: AnalzeMyFace Appears to be a Scam
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2017, 12:52:07 AM »
Last night I had a long conversation with SJ about this situation.

I tried to be logical with him last night and asked a few simple questions.

In short, I asked for the doctors names who are performing the cephs. He wouldn't provide any names.

He went on to say this:

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The ceph is done by doctors and it is to be considered a medical document, the rest is still done by doctors and more superficially so that is why they don't want the risk. I met one of the doctors once and they will put a publication online with their names. The thing isn't associated with the doctors to give more power to the brand vs the doctors.

More power to the brand? Odd. I'd think naming good doctors doing cephs would give more power to a brand than anything else.

In the disclaimer on the AMF website, it says the documents they provide are not to be used as medical advice and they have no liability if you use it for that reason. Strange since doctors are doing the work. You would think that's valid medical advice, especially the ceph since it isn't done "superficially" like the rest of the analysis.

Then, I told him I'd be willing to do a Skype with him, Allessandro, Andrea, and Patrick/Kevsroot (all at the same time, so a 4 way call, and asked him if they could all show up for it with photo ID of each one). He says he'll do this. Should be interesting. Might see cardboard cutouts show up for some of those guys!


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Re: AnalzeMyFace Appears to be a Scam
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2017, 12:59:17 AM »
Haha, or he will ask some friends. Or he will hire some people. Or he will just never get back to you about this.

If he hires friends, they're going to have to all make fake IDs. And, I know what "Andrea" looks like from his free, stock business photo above. If that isn't Andrea on Skype with an ID showing so, then we have a problem.

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Re: AnalzeMyFace Appears to be a Scam
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2017, 01:01:35 AM »
He basically tried to catfish desperate people on the internet. Reminds a lot of that Manti te'o fiasco.

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Might see cardboard cutouts show up for some of those guys!

Picturing this RN  ;D



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Re: AnalzeMyFace Appears to be a Scam
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2017, 01:16:28 AM »

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Re: AnalzeMyFace Appears to be a Scam
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2017, 01:57:27 AM »
whoa wait a minute

Who did SJ "harass" on here? I dont recall anything like this.

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Re: AnalzeMyFace Appears to be a Scam
« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2017, 03:06:55 AM »
Okay, so it appears that stupidjaws has been dishonest about his services, but I feel you are being harsh on him. Personally, I can only say that he's given me a lot of good advice for free. Yes, he did refer me to the surgeons mentioned in the thread, but I had excellent results, so I'm happy with his advice. I also spoke a lot to stupidjaws during my post-op rhinoplasty phase, and he answered all of my questions and concerns without asking for anything in return.

I also don't think it is correct to label the service as a "scam". Deceptive marketing? Yes. Scam? Not really, from what I can see the service provides legitimate advice and analysis.

Not saying what he did was right, but I don't think it's right to put him down, because he's helped me (and many others, I believe) a lot.

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Re: AnalzeMyFace Appears to be a Scam
« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2017, 04:10:56 AM »
well the "Scam" part comes in so far as it seems it is almost certainly not a team of maxfacs or even a single maxfac

however, I'm more than happy to say the product I received was good. So much so to the point that a surgeon i consulted here in aus (I won't say his name just to help avoid what I soon expect is going to happen, however you can look through my post history a while back and probably guess who I'm talking about), i showed the product to before our consultation, and he was impressed with it, so much so we had shared a laugh because he thought it was probably a big name Italian surgeon, again, won't say who, but not hard to guess. I do mean big name.

So scam? No, the product does exactly as advertised: diagnoses faces and suggests treatments, and in so far as that is concerned, i think its a quality product... However, a fraud or deceptive? I think thats probably a more accurate description.

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Re: AnalzeMyFace Appears to be a Scam
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2017, 08:19:46 AM »
how much are people paying for this service?
"Everyone sees what you appear to be, few experience what you really are.”

had upper jaw surgery on 5th October 2015

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Re: AnalzeMyFace Appears to be a Scam
« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2017, 09:02:00 AM »
well the "Scam" part comes in so far as it seems it is almost certainly not a team of maxfacs or even a single maxfac

however, I'm more than happy to say the product I received was good. So much so to the point that a surgeon i consulted here in aus (I won't say his name just to help avoid what I soon expect is going to happen, however you can look through my post history a while back and probably guess who I'm talking about), i showed the product to before our consultation, and he was impressed with it, so much so we had shared a laugh because he thought it was probably a big name Italian surgeon, again, won't say who, but not hard to guess. I do mean big name.

So scam? No, the product does exactly as advertised: diagnoses faces and suggests treatments, and in so far as that is concerned, i think its a quality product... However, a fraud or deceptive? I think thats probably a more accurate description.

The operative principle here is non-disclosure of material associations. You know, a suggestion/confidence in service is dropped as to the service of which he is happy with in the absence of his disclosing he is CFO of the corp behind the service.

[Connections between an endorser and the company that are unclear or unexpected to a customer also must be disclosed, whether they have to do with a financial arrangement for a favorable endorsement, a position with the company, or stock ownership.]

For example, a biz owner might have a great service/product--what ever--but the question is how he goes about letting you know this service/product exists in anything that could be considered an endorsement. If he goes through great efforts to hide his material connections so you don't know they exist, that is the problem.
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Re: AnalzeMyFace Appears to be a Scam
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2017, 09:35:42 AM »
Based on some of the screenshots that were posted that showed "andreanersani" as a founder of the Italian forum in 2012, it seems safe to say that the accumulation of sock puppet accounts has been going on for years.

I found that Fiverr account and traced the google image. It does lead to some silly stock business photography photos.

https://www.fiverr.com/andreane

http://hollywoodartinstitute.com/destination-stock-photography-a-must-for-every-luxury-villa-owner-2-3-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2/

Theres also a post on another forum that shows that other people have figured it out, from last year:
"i know tyd from italian board on plastic surgery...he is admin's "patrickB" puppet...
btw....patrickb is the same gay who SOLD me a facial analysis for 400000 euro giving me NO HOPE telling me i need osteotomy everywhere even in my ass....JUST LOL at that advice.....just looool..."

And in a different thread there is a post where "TYD/andreanersani/stupidjaws" talks up the "expertise" of nersani who is also apparently himself:

"i dunno bro i have no idea of his coordinates he does morphs maybe not as AMF but still decent tier. i've never seen AMF morphs except the "sample" cuz mystery was A CUCK and did not share pictures. would be really useful to all of us TBH

you can find him in this forum: chirurgiaestetica and his name is "andreanersani" he is very knowledgeable and cool tbh"

That post above pretty much sums it up for me. he's pretending to not know anything about the service when he's the one who seems to be running the whole show.

I think I saw that one too. Was that the one where he offered to pay someone to see their AMF and called 'Mystery Meat pua artist' on there a cuck for not showing his photos?

You gotta hand it to him. In terms of acting, that was a master performance directed and orchestrated so he wouldn't even be suspected of being in capacity to look at AMF docs.
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Re: AnalzeMyFace Appears to be a Scam
« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2017, 10:28:20 AM »
I also don't think it is correct to label the service as a "scam".

True, "Fraud" is probably a more specific and accurate word:
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/fraud.html

But since scam is a synonym I think it's okay, too.

Being happy with a service doesn't make it a legit business. E.g. Early Bernie Madoff customers were happy.
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Re: AnalzeMyFace Appears to be a Scam
« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2017, 10:47:07 AM »
Last night I had a long conversation with SJ about this situation.

I tried to be logical with him last night and asked a few simple questions.

In short, I asked for the doctors names who are performing the cephs. He wouldn't provide any names.

He went on to say this:

More power to the brand? Odd. I'd think naming good doctors doing cephs would give more power to a brand than anything else.....



Maybe he jobs out to a company with software to do cephs.

It's possible to purchase ceph programs where if you know the points you can do it yourself or if you have high volume of cephs needing to be charted out, the company will do that for such clients.

["Optimize your time!. We have a group of high level specialists ready to trace for you, given you the best results in the shortest time."]

In turn, it is possible for someone using such a program/service to claim; 'doctors do the ceph analysis'. Could be an assumption where the 'high level specialists' doing the tracings could be doctors. Here is example of how such a claim could be made in absence of providing names of 'doctors' who do them:

For example, 'EASY CEPH'. Very inexpensive service with Platinum plan where if you got 80 cephs for the company to do this for you it's only $12 for each one.

This particular service might not be the one used. Just pointing out there are services one can 'job out' to where there are people who know where to put the points for the program to generate a bunch of different analysis options for the cephs.


Here is an example of a program one can purchase for cephs. Now if you know the landmark points, it can be a Do it yourself deal where after the points are ID-ed, program will draw connecting lines and churn out a bunch of different analysis measures of any system you want to use; Witts, Steiner--what ever--there are many.

For those with say a VOLUME of X rays on which the points and lines need to be charted out so the ceph becomes a ceph analysis, the company offering the software can do that for a client with high volume of cephs needed to charted out.

EASY CEPH tutorial:

http://www.easyceph.com/en/learning.php


PRICING:

http://www.easyceph.com/en/pricing.php

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