Author Topic: Massive Red Flags regarding Dr Joel Defrancq  (Read 704 times)

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Massive Red Flags regarding Dr Joel Defrancq
« on: September 29, 2017, 09:59:53 AM »
At first I thought he was sound, but I'm not so sure now. PM if you want to know more.
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Re: Massive Red Flags regarding Dr Joel Defrancq
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2017, 10:06:43 AM »
I had a consult with him and he was generous with his time. Him and his assistant spend ~2 hours when I paid for 30min visit. However, I don't like his results, so I never really considered him for my surgeries.

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Re: Massive Red Flags regarding Dr Joel Defrancq
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2017, 10:11:24 AM »
I've also consulted with him. He was generous with the time spent in the initial consultation, I can't deny that.

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Re: Massive Red Flags regarding Dr Joel Defrancq
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2017, 10:26:22 AM »
PM me.

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Re: Massive Red Flags regarding Dr Joel Defrancq
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2017, 02:24:40 AM »
In my case : his assistant was very nice, conscientious and receptive.
I found the Dr acting mechanicaly, a little careless.
He made my plan in haste and without taking account about my story and my wishes.

But I understand his behaviour : he must be tired of seeing people's face going around. He must see a lot of guys who has not the intention to choose him as a surgeon...


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Re: Massive Red Flags regarding Dr Joel Defrancq
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2017, 12:38:46 AM »
I found all his assistants to be very nice indeed. I know surgeons must get annoyed with time wasters, but surely once you have paid him 1000 euro, he should see you are more serious. Before paying him for the work up, I told him I would have many more questions. He said that was no problem and he would be happy to answer them. As soon as I paid for the work up, he then acted like he had provided all the answers needed (the work up is very basic and doesn't contain much more than the mm of movements), and it was time for me to book surgery and just trust him.

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Re: Massive Red Flags regarding Dr Joel Defrancq
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2017, 12:24:23 PM »
I called it on this dude. I can tell he sucks from his BS. Seriously MOST if not all jaw surgeons have no idea what they're doing. Its a very very primitive science. I'd go with Gunson on most counts if you can and even he fucks up.

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Re: Massive Red Flags regarding Dr Joel Defrancq
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2017, 12:41:50 AM »
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I can tell he sucks from his BS
At least, he exposes what he is doing... But I agree he set back the lower jaw too much in class 3 cases.
It's hard to trust him 100%
At my consultation he said and wrote: shaving of the gonial angle + buccal fat pad removal without asking me.
His aesthetical criteria takes predecence over ours.

But he doesn't ruin nose and that's a good point.

I will see if it is possible to negociate my plan with him but I have others surgeons to see.

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Re: Massive Red Flags regarding Dr Joel Defrancq
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2017, 01:29:20 PM »
At least, he exposes what he is doing... But I agree he set back the lower jaw too much in class 3 cases.
It's hard to trust him 100%
At my consultation he said and wrote: shaving of the gonial angle + buccal fat pad removal without asking me.
His aesthetical criteria takes predecence over ours.

But he doesn't ruin nose and that's a good point.

I will see if it is possible to negociate my plan with him but I have others surgeons to see.

anyone who does buccal fat pad removal doesn't know what they're doing. it's like those who remove four bicuspids. RED FLAGS.

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Re: Massive Red Flags regarding Dr Joel Defrancq
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2017, 04:24:13 PM »
anyone who does buccal fat pad removal doesn't know what they're doing. it's like those who remove four bicuspids. RED FLAGS.

+1

Seems there's a disconnect between what can be done and what should be done.

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Re: Massive Red Flags regarding Dr Joel Defrancq
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2017, 04:26:52 PM »
anyone who does buccal fat pad removal doesn't know what they're doing. it's like those who remove four bicuspids. RED FLAGS.

I mean apparently that's a thing in bimax, to remove 4 bicuspids to keep the bite even in the back. Though I presume you're referring to straight up bicuspid removal for standalone orthodontic purposes. There's a big EU doc that augments the cheeks with buccal fat pad... I'm not convinced that produces reliably good results, just based off what I know from here.

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Re: Massive Red Flags regarding Dr Joel Defrancq
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2017, 12:17:38 AM »
He said it will make cheekbones more prominent.... But I think buccal fat pad removal makes people look older than they are.
In fact, it's not grease but muscle that makes my face squarish, that's what I didn't understand.
It wasn't a proposal that's why it disturb me.
Plus he didn't give information about the cost of all these procedures

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Re: Massive Red Flags regarding Dr Joel Defrancq
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2017, 09:51:15 AM »
He said it will make cheekbones more prominent.... But I think buccal fat pad removal makes people look older than they are.
In fact, it's not grease but muscle that makes my face squarish, that's what I didn't understand.
It wasn't a proposal that's why it disturb me.
Plus he didn't give information about the cost of all these procedures

It doesn't make the cheekbones more prominent.  It just creates a sort of gouge in your cheek that looks terrible. I know I had it done and trust me my surgeon kept saying the same thing. Big cheekbones are result of big prominent cheekbones. In other words, you need to get the cheekbones augmented somehow(still trying to figure out what procedure can do this without implants). I'm not convinced anything other than implants can really help. Haven't seen the result of enough ZSO's to assess whether it's a good procedure. But maybe we'll see more in the future. Also, fat augmentation in that area without the bone augmentation also looks fake. It just makes you have this weird bloated midface without the sharpness or volume that naturally big boney cheekbones would provide. Maybe multiple ZSO's , I don't know.

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Re: Massive Red Flags regarding Dr Joel Defrancq
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2017, 10:28:13 AM »
It doesn't make the cheekbones more prominent.  It just creates a sort of gouge in your cheek that looks terrible. I know I had it done and trust me my surgeon kept saying the same thing. Big cheekbones are result of big prominent cheekbones. In other words, you need to get the cheekbones augmented somehow(still trying to figure out what procedure can do this without implants). I'm not convinced anything other than implants can really help. Haven't seen the result of enough ZSO's to assess whether it's a good procedure. But maybe we'll see more in the future. Also, fat augmentation in that area without the bone augmentation also looks fake. It just makes you have this weird bloated midface without the sharpness or volume that naturally big boney cheekbones would provide. Maybe multiple ZSO's , I don't know.

re; [It makes the cheek bones more prominent. ]

The flip side of that is that it makes FLAT cheek bones more visible as FLAT ones.
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Re: Massive Red Flags regarding Dr Joel Defrancq
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2017, 11:23:49 AM »
In regards to buccal fat removal, I think it can work in the right patient, but I agree, as pointed out in this thread, the cheeks have to be augmented as well. The patient in the link below got a genioplasty/cheek implants/buccal fat removal and later on some jaw implants, and I think it worked out well for her.

https://www.realself.com/review/vancouver-bc-chin-surgery-young-adult-20-symmetric-face#