Author Topic: Back again with further questions, wanted to know best options for lower third  (Read 359 times)

gob

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After having a 3-year hiatus from this forum, while still ruminating daily about my aesthetic deficiencies, I've decided to get some more opinions on what I could do to reduce flaws and bring balance to my face.

Last time I was here, a user with the handle "Optimistic" had remarked that my lower third wasn't the issue that sent my other features off-kilter - rather it was my upper third and more immutable features such as eyes. I agreed with him, yet I still feel my lower third could do with some improvement, principally projection of the chin and a straightening of the mandible.

The mandible suffers from pre-suclus troughs that I've been told can engender jowls and a sagging of the face - this is something that I obviously want to avoid. I feel as if my nose also interferes with how my face is presented, as my nasal base is wider than my inte-canthal length and has excessive flaring, especially with any unconventional facial movements (like from running or doing something strenuous)

I was thinking of getting either a genio-plasty or opting for implants; yes, I know how frowned upon those are - I just don't see any alternative to widening a chin and rectifying my aforementioned problem of the pre-suclus notch. I also fear that a genio-plasty can make my jawline narrower? It's something that I really want to avoid as I feel that my lower third is already quite narrow and I'd like to attain the inverse result - can a genio-plasty be performed without this issue?

Secondly, I was reviewing alar-base reductions and had concluded that some type of nostril-narrowing surgery was essential; the caveat being that it only affects the base and not the actual structure of the nose, I don't even think it touches the nasal tip - which I also need. Maybe I should opt for a conservative rhino that doesn't affect the profile of the nose, only the front.

I'm only focusing on these two surgeries now because anything else would either be ineffective or outright damaging to any aesthetic ideal I want to achieve, It's best to play it safe at the moment.

Another prominent issue is that of my lips, I sense that they're too narrow and enlarged vertically. I have these strange indentations - or creases - at the side of my mouth that become more pronounced when I rest my face or turn my head. It's worse on my right hand side, so i'm guessing this relates to the structure of my cheekbone and jawline on that side of the face. 

I can raise up to £20,000 in a few months (Live in the UK), would this be enough to cover the expenses?

Straight on, semi relaxed face that's only employing muscles around mouth. Lip tends to sag and look incompetent when completely relaxing.

https://i.imgur.com/zOXpWcd.jpg

Same as above.

https://i.imgur.com/pBfltMM.jpg

3/4 shot. Feel like my eyes are a bit too far apart or that they're too large vertically. Also drooping in right eye.

https://i.imgur.com/2LoiLQG.jpg

This is one of my better pictures, I wished I looked like this all the time yet I don't. I attribute my better look in this image to everything seeming more angular and symmetrical.

https://i.imgur.com/3KfCUoM.jpg

This shows my face at a candid angle (an angle people would see me at outside), highlighting cheekbone recession and sagging of skin. Lips also seemed puffed out here and nostrils and prominent. Give impression that of a fatter face.

https://i.imgur.com/HBMNoFW.jpg

This is another one of my better pictures - albeit the sun occludes a lot of the skin issues from the last picture.

https://i.imgur.com/BgJzw9w.jpg

Side profile, note the lack of chin projection and slight crease at edge of lips. Also have minor maxillary prognathism because I'm mixed race.

https://i.imgur.com/Bp5EMRX.jpg

Same as above, though you can see the issue of my forehead shape/curve more clearly here - distinct lack of brow ridge.

https://i.imgur.com/PsdruLx.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/n0DoSU3.jpg

So in conclusion, I suffer from any strong masculine indicators or solid contours that can bring someone up to being generally attractive. Every feature is slightly rounded and weak, obviously this is a big issue when it comes to women as they're never "ticked on" when they see me, I lack that raw attractive attribute that I feel every young, average man has. Also makes it seem like I'm sad and defeated all the time, with a submissive posture that odiously adds to the image of someone who's will never be considered handsome.

P.S. I have issues with asymmetry and my eyes being off center, I don't think I can fix this so I've resigned myself to acceptance. The eye asymmetry is congruent to the asymmetry of my entire skull, as you can see the posterior of my head suffers bulging on the right hand side - this has lead to asymmetry in the jawline as well as the cheekbone.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2017, 01:04:49 PM by kavan »

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Your photos were excessively LARGE in both number and size. They required too much scrolling to view them. I removed the image brackets so they  would not be repeated in posts that used the quote function.

If you wish your photos to show on the board, you would need to CROP out extra background space.
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Genio is your best bet, IMO.

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Would a genio alone make that much difference? And can I ask for it to project horizontally as opposed to vertically?

Another thing I wanted to ask, do you think my nostril flaring and the orientation of my nose has something to do with my prognathic maxilla?

Here are some amateur shops:

Nose

https://i.imgur.com/rI9xQZS.jpg

Before

https://i.imgur.com/tII5KP9.jpg

After - Nose

https://i.imgur.com/PUap1MY.jpg

Chin + Jaw height

https://i.imgur.com/GLHBQAi.jpg

Are these realistic?

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You're good looking guy.

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Are these realistic?

I mean that is one of many possible outcomes of a nose job. So in that sense it's a possibility; I wouldn't call it a probability.
I don't think you need that at all. Your nose is fine. A genio would help, and yes a bit of horizontal projection. You don't need much at all, if any.

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Women ostensibly don't find me attractive, I appreciate the comments but compliments from men aren't useful for other heterosexual men. I get the "You're not my type", because I don't look like a MAN. I lack the lower third + thick beard and tall face - regardless of the weight, a man's bone structure can be deduced, negating any counter examples of fat men who supposedly abscond these aesthetic requirements. Plus I don't have welcoming eyes, which women cherish as a standard.

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You don't need anything. You look like Lewis Hamilton. Save your money and start lifting instead.

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Women ostensibly don't find me attractive, I appreciate the comments but compliments from men aren't useful for other heterosexual men. I get the "You're not my type", because I don't look like a MAN. I lack the lower third + thick beard and tall face - regardless of the weight, a man's bone structure can be deduced, negating any counter examples of fat men who supposedly abscond these aesthetic requirements. Plus I don't have welcoming eyes, which women cherish as a standard.

If it's true that women don't find you attractive (unreliable narrator, so I'm not sure that's true), then it's due to a personality issue, not your looks.

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you dont need any surgery.  id kill to look like you.  Get a personal trainer, a social coach and a therapist.  find a hobby or two. 

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So in conclusion, I suffer from any strong masculine indicators or solid contours that can bring someone up to being generally attractive. .....

In conclusion I think you might suffer from BDD . You look good.
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I like your nose as is.  I could be wrong but maaaybe the outer edgess of your eyes are a smidge lower than ideal? You actually look great, have you tried dating apps? The only thing I see is maybe a sliding genio would improve your look a little. There's no other real deficiencies noted here. Lots of guys have flatter cheeks and average to smallish brow ridges (not sure if you suffer from either)

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What would be the total cost of a genio? I know people like to give figures of 6-8k but I don't think that includes hospital stay and other ancillary services. How much should I save for my surgeries?

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Women ostensibly don't find me attractive, I appreciate the comments but compliments from men aren't useful for other heterosexual men. I get the "You're not my type", because I don't look like a MAN. I lack the lower third + thick beard and tall face - regardless of the weight, a man's bone structure can be deduced, negating any counter examples of fat men who supposedly abscond these aesthetic requirements. Plus I don't have welcoming eyes, which women cherish as a standard.
How do you know women do not find you attractive?
I'm a woman and once even an attractive one according to other people than me...
I can say than you look good.
You seem quite young still?

Don't do anything to your face. Many women see you as a very handsome young man.

Try to built up your self-esteem and personality and go to eg. to gym like someone said.

And what attracts female the most, at least the ones that I'm close to is usually mans personality.
With great personality you can do a lot.

I sometime went to  date with man that had no other arm, but it really did not matter since his personality was great.
Then I went on a date with guy who was my size, which means he was quite small guy... it still did not matter. He was a fun person and attracts many people.
Unfortunately with one guy who was better looking than most of the male models in magazines had such a personality that I just could not handle it and made him unattractive.

Attractiveness is not just about looks.

Try another haircut maybe? I think that might be the one that makes you look very young.
And add pair of nice glasses?

See this picture: http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/1ac6238b-6322-49de-9d61-5d0a5e51aa8f/8ec05847-7efc-44e5-94a9-13b176f8e6a8_560_420.jpg I think Jim Carrey has many more hairstyles that fit him better than this.
Baldness does not matter at all either. My friends brother used to be insecure about his balding and finally shaved it all off. That was actually a great option and it made his looks just great.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2017, 09:30:30 AM by A-V-P »
Please let me know if someone knows a good doctor who can restore cheek-, brow- and jaw bones.

Here is what Dr Timothy J Marten MD of marten clinic of plastic surgery did to me and something more:
https://imgur.com/a/JdEFR

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How do you know women do not find you attractive?
I'm a woman and once even an attractive one according to other people than me...
I can say than you look good.
You seem quite young still?

Don't do anything to your face. Many women see you as a very handsome young man.

Try to built up your self-esteem and personality and go to eg. to gym like someone said.

And what attracts female the most, at least the ones that I'm close to is usually mans personality.
With great personality you can do a lot.

I sometime went to  date with man that had no other arm, but it really did not matter since his personality was great.
Then I went on a date with guy who was my size, which means he was quite small guy... it still did not matter. He was a fun person and attracts many people.
Unfortunately with one guy who was better looking than most of the male models in magazines had such a personality that I just could not handle it and made him unattractive.

Attractiveness is not just about looks.

Try another haircut maybe? I think that might be the one that makes you look very young.
And add pair of nice glasses?

See this picture: http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/1ac6238b-6322-49de-9d61-5d0a5e51aa8f/8ec05847-7efc-44e5-94a9-13b176f8e6a8_560_420.jpg I think Jim Carrey has many more hairstyles that fit him better than this.
Baldness does not matter at all either. My friends brother used to be insecure about his balding and finally shaved it all off. That was actually a great option and it made his looks just great.

Does it look like I'm balding? Because I only have this hairstyle to cover up a wonky hairline that's really further back on the right than the left. It's also higher than it is in these pictures. My natural hairline has always been like this, I'm not balding (I think).