Thanks for the reply this is unrelated but i have alot of pain in my tmj still. I seen a specialist had mri taken and everything they said there was a bit of degeneration. They say when i open and close my mouth the disc just stays in the same place when its suppose to slide she said shes never seen this on another patient or something. Can anyome shed some light on whats going on. I was in braces at the time they said the braces could help your tmj because i had a posterior open bite before braces. What can i do about this issue