Yes. Do you have any bite issues? If not, I don't see the need for jaw surgery. At first I thought you had an underbite, but looking at the photos more you look balanced in profile. I haven't read the entire thread so maybe this was addressed already.
I wouldn't do anything.
If you're really intent on doing something, I think the ear suggestion might be the best one. A cheap alternative to that is growing your hair bushier on the sides. But yeah that's about all I'd do unless you have functional problems.
You look good, so this is some type of mental block. Any responsible surgeon should decline you on the basis of aesthetics alone.
Yes I do have an underbite. I was given the option to correct it when I was younger from the NHS but I didn't because I just didn't care at the time. My bite is asymmetrical and I'm not sure how to explain this but my teeth seem to sit on a slope. As in they don't point forward rather they point downwards slightly. But thank you for your reply, yes this all could be a mental block too but I do feel as if there is some room for improvement.
https://app.photobucket.com/u/nomad666666/a/446bf23a-a662-4b98-b1d6-e391bd70f628Imgur link
https://imgur.com/a/8Qr4TyDWhat you really need to go on a consult with ANY surgeon is better perception/observation skills. Communication skills are often lacking due to that and self negating descriptions which could 'translate' to the OPPOSITE of what you might want put you at risk of requesting something you might not want to see on your face after it's done.
Ability to see relative distance relationships (perception/observational skills) is KEY to expressing what you want. When someone sees something correctly, the language to DESCRIBE it follows. Conversely, when someone has a warped perception or poor observational skills the language they use to describe what they 'see' will be off target with objective observation. Case in point, my prior photo demonstration where perceptions of 'long midface'and/or 'not so long' lower 1/3rd pans out as faulty observation when the relative distance relationships are looked at objectively.
I've also gone over the SELF NEGATING language which will NOT serve you well in communicating with a doctor. The most recent of which is describing your eyes as 'sunken' when they are the OPPOSITE of that when they are somewhat PROMINENT relative to the bone structure directly below the eyes. Add the description of 'lack of ramus' or 'non existent ramus. THOSE terms refer to a SHORT ramus where yours is the OPPOSITE of 'short' which by the way, could be deduced via the photo showing the lower 1/3rd is relatively long compared to the upper 2/3rds. Then comes a most recent video with you pressing the skin along your jaw line in a hapless attempt to SHOW you have an 'undefined' jaw angle when you fail to realize that what you are actually showing is a WELL FORMED jaw angle.
Although your face is narrow, it's proportionately so and the longer lower 1/3rd isn't an aesthetic problem for a MALE.
What I'm saying here (and I don't mean to insult) is that your perception/observation is somewhat on the WARPED side and the 'translation' to Z as what you seem to be asking for would resolve to what Post Bimax said; a request to LOOK stupid or worse. GJ's observation as to your having a mental block is also on target.
But don't worry. I took a course in Ancient Babylonian. So, I think I can translate what you might be trying to ask Dr. Z for:
'More WIDTH' at the jaw:
Dr. Z will SEE that your jaw angle area in frontal view, is IN LINE with your TEMPLE WIDTH and pretty much where it should be relative to that (inter-temple distance). So, the way to communicate to him that you want MORE jaw to jaw width (intergonial distance) is to tell him you want a PEAR SHAPED face because you want the upper 2/3rds of your face to look MORE NARROW (by relative distance comparison) than they are already. That is what your PERCEPTION of 'narrow jaw to be made wider' would look like if he is to use your perception as a directive for surgical changes.
Now, let me GUESS at what you probably want to see on your face: Something in the venue of 10% increase in ALL WIDTH dimensions as in a wider: skull/head, inter temple distance, midface, eye to eye distance in addition to a wider jaw.
Here's a photo comparison with the SAME vertical dimensions as prior, your ears not changed. What was changed was an approx 10% increase to the total width. So, if that's the change you had in mind but found it difficult to express, it's IMPOSSIBLE to achieve with surgery.
Regarding a surgeon doing something I DON'T want done. How much do surgeons actually listen to patients? In this case say I stupidly say oh I want to elongate my jaw, will the surgeon just go along with it or will he provide input as you have as and say no, I don't think your jaw needs any elongating. Of course, as you said I would be extremely worried getting something I think I need and completely messing up.
Do you have any suggestions on looking at myself objectively? Or is it just a skill. I had thought that I had been able to look at myself very objectively but it seems not.
Yes I definitely need to work on expressing what I say though. Regarding the sunken, I meant more so one side of my face seems a bit recessed. A sort of tired look.
https://imgur.com/nLTJVA6 compared to this side
https://imgur.com/jv3uR9iYes unfortunately I think my perception is extremely warped
. I think I've gone for so long being certain that my head is narrow that every time I just look at myself my mind automatically makes my face even more narrow than it is if that makes any sense. Or maybe my face is that narrow, not really sure at this point tbh.
Anyway, here is a bite image.
https://app.photobucket.com/u/nomad666666/a/446bf23a-a662-4b98-b1d6-e391bd70f628Imgur link
https://imgur.com/a/8Qr4TyDThe angle at which my teeth sits on doesn't seem right to me and there is also overcrowding which causes some functional problems such as eating and I THINK some breathing problems. So there is some functional reasoning behind my need for surgery but I won't lie the MAIN reason is aesthetic for me.
YES! That morph looks amazing! But I don't expect a complete width change of course. I I would be happy if the area directly below my eye was just 'shoved up' so I don't have as much of a open eyed look. And maybe a bit more projection from the profile. And then some width on the cheekbones and jaw. Again, a very poor explanation on my part I guess.
That's interesting what you've said about the pear shape though. Maybe I've taken good pictures but my face really really does taper inwards. I'm sure that my face narrows considerably from the cheekbones downwards. Of course real life and pictures are different so I guess a consultation will be helpful nevertheless.
Again, thank you so much for your help. I've got my consultation with Dr Z coming in August and perhaps will be able to get one with Dr R soon so I will be sure to update the thread with what they've said if anyone is interested.
Nice morph for the otoplasty, Kavan. I never thought about the impact of ears on perceived facial width. Posnick had actually recommended an otoplasty for me but I declined because I didn't think it was relevant.
To OP,
Don't get JS. Your jaw is far above average. And you'll look stupid if you get implants.
I really can't believe that my jaw is above average. I think I've somehow frauded my pictures to make them look good. But yes, I'll be very careful with what I get done, if anything at all.
