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Title: Malar/Infraorbital implant?
Post by: whymyprofilelikedis on August 09, 2017, 03:57:13 PM
http://imgur.com/a/N3xhn

Alright, so my jaws aren't too bad, but i landed some pretty bad cheekbones/base of nose area projection and I'm wondering if improving that will help looks or at the very least give me some undereye projection/fullness. I have pretty bad tear troughs that I'm insecure about and am wondering what the best solution to them at least would be. I would like to avoid any crazy bone moving surgeries.

Malar implants, filler, infraorbital rim implant, whatever surgery to cure paranasal hollowing or add some projection to base of nose - what is best? I'm a 20 y.o male sorry about bad hair
Title: Re: Malar/Infraorbital implant?
Post by: Milli_Meters on August 10, 2017, 12:07:34 PM
Get infraorbital implants and a radix implant or graft. It can dramatically improve the whole profile - http://www.africanamericanrhinoplasty.com/upload/galleries/men/3/1.jpg

but idk if its really indicated in ur case. Ur nasal root depression doesnt seem too deep in sum pics , in others it does.
Title: Re: Malar/Infraorbital implant?
Post by: A-V-P on August 11, 2017, 10:14:16 AM
Get infraorbital implants and a radix implant or graft. It can dramatically improve the whole profile - http://www.africanamericanrhinoplasty.com/upload/galleries/men/3/1.jpg

but idk if its really indicated in ur case. Ur nasal root depression doesnt seem too deep in sum pics , in others it does.

I think he too looks very good and doesn't need anything done unless he has functional problems. I'd think radix implant would ruin his great lookin side profile. Try smile maybe?
Title: Re: Malar/Infraorbital implant?
Post by: whymyprofilelikedis on August 16, 2017, 12:01:02 PM
I think he too looks very good and doesn't need anything done unless he has functional problems. I'd think radix implant would ruin his great lookin side profile. Try smile maybe?

I appreciate the kind words; I just feel like my undereye/cheekbone area is a flaw that doesnt require too unreasonable a procedure to fix. Even my parents always ask me 'damn man why do you look so tired' and I know it's not because I'm not getting enough sleep (definitely 6-8 hours a night consistently). Honestly I just want to look like I don't have any straight up bone deficiencies - just a healthily structured face. I don't really wanna do any rhino type work because I don't want to change too much of what nature has provided (half because of fear of a bad result and half because of the stigma associated with plastic surgery as a whole - people always seem to talk about celebrities getting 'procedures' negatively, as if they didn't 'earn' their looks).

I'd go with a simple filler but tbh the lack of long term stability of fillers is what turns me away from them, I don't want to have to go in every 5 years to touch up my undereyes. If anyone knows about the longevity of these IR implants, please let me know. I know that bone resorption is an issue with aging, and logically, because the implant is placed on bone I fear that they can go bad really fast because the implant was not designed to handle the degradation of the bone it's founded on. Thank you for your responses.
Title: Re: Malar/Infraorbital implant?
Post by: whymyprofilelikedis on August 16, 2017, 12:08:33 PM
Get infraorbital implants and a radix implant or graft. It can dramatically improve the whole profile - http://www.africanamericanrhinoplasty.com/upload/galleries/men/3/1.jpg

but idk if its really indicated in ur case. Ur nasal root depression doesnt seem too deep in sum pics , in others it does.

You commented on my post in the past (that got a lot of 'wtf are you thinking about surgery for' type of responses). Do you think that my nose is a bigger issue than my cheekbone development (it's really bad, like if you could touch my undereye area you'd know just how little density there is at least in the forward/vertical directions - I don't really think they're that bad in terms of width). Honestly I've really never been too insecure about my nose because I feel like it doesn't detract from my appearance too much. I also think it'd be weird if I had a narrow and curly little 'white nose' as you've shown just because the rest of my features are so indicative of South Indian phenotype lol; maybe I'm just blissfully unaware of what's actually important in terms of appearance.
Title: Re: Malar/Infraorbital implant?
Post by: Milli_Meters on August 16, 2017, 12:19:25 PM
You commented on my post in the past (that got a lot of 'wtf are you thinking about surgery for' type of responses). Do you think that my nose is a bigger issue than my cheekbone development (it's really bad, like if you could touch my undereye area you'd know just how little density there is at least in the forward/vertical directions - I don't really think they're that bad in terms of width). Honestly I've really never been too insecure about my nose because I feel like it doesn't detract from my appearance too much. I also think it'd be weird if I had a narrow and curly little 'white nose' as you've shown just because the rest of my features are so indicative of South Indian phenotype lol; maybe I'm just blissfully unaware of what's actually important in terms of appearance.

Based on your pics  bimax and other invasive procedures do not make sense in your case. I have noted posters here tend to overrate people's looks. 

You are above average looking . Nothing really "wrong" with your appearance.

I can see some lack of support under eye area. It could be addressed through infra orbital implants.

In some of your pics your nasal root seemed a bit depressed but I was not suggesting any full blown rhino ofc. If you do have a depressed radix you can try some filler and see how you look .
Title: Re: Malar/Infraorbital implant?
Post by: ditterbo on August 16, 2017, 02:57:57 PM
IMO screw fixing anything with your nose radix. Raise it to what a PS would consider normal and it will look operated on, and the sharp angle between your brow bone and nose will be almost gone - probably not desirable.  It's not like you have loose skin in that area (seen that b4).
Title: Re: Malar/Infraorbital implant?
Post by: whymyprofilelikedis on September 13, 2017, 04:22:56 PM
IMO screw fixing anything with your nose radix. Raise it to what a PS would consider normal and it will look operated on, and the sharp angle between your brow bone and nose will be almost gone - probably not desirable.  It's not like you have loose skin in that area (seen that b4).

what do you think i should do then, IR implant seems best bet? Or maybe filler idk - i've heard a lot about implants aging badly
Title: Re: Malar/Infraorbital implant?
Post by: whymyprofilelikedis on September 13, 2017, 04:24:12 PM
Based on your pics  bimax and other invasive procedures do not make sense in your case. I have noted posters here tend to overrate people's looks. 

You are above average looking . Nothing really "wrong" with your appearance.

I can see some lack of support under eye area. It could be addressed through infra orbital implants.

In some of your pics your nasal root seemed a bit depressed but I was not suggesting any full blown rhino ofc. If you do have a depressed radix you can try some filler and see how you look .

Thanks man - do you know anything about how the IR implants age? I haven't really found many results - most undereye work is all filler. Also, do you know any good procedures for asymmetry fixing, particularly of ramus length/mandibular angle?
Title: Re: Malar/Infraorbital implant?
Post by: Milli_Meters on September 14, 2017, 04:04:50 AM
There are different implant materials with varying properties. Check Dr Y's B n As.

For ramus/jaw angle you can try restylane.
Title: Re: Malar/Infraorbital implant?
Post by: kavan on September 14, 2017, 08:32:05 AM
http://imgur.com/a/N3xhn

Alright, so my jaws aren't too bad, but i landed some pretty bad cheekbones/base of nose area projection and I'm wondering if improving that will help looks or at the very least give me some undereye projection/fullness. I have pretty bad tear troughs that I'm insecure about and am wondering what the best solution to them at least would be. I would like to avoid any crazy bone moving surgeries.

Malar implants, filler, infraorbital rim implant, whatever surgery to cure paranasal hollowing or add some projection to base of nose - what is best? I'm a 20 y.o male sorry about bad hair


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Your core aesthetic problem isn't with your profile. Nor do you lack the type of bone structure that supports the eyes (orbital rim/malar).

I take it you must be very attached to the excess width of your nose not to see that is the key detractor of your face.
Title: Re: Malar/Infraorbital implant?
Post by: Milli_Meters on September 14, 2017, 09:31:16 AM
He does lack some under eye support.

U think  that kinda nose slimming is feasible?!
Title: Re: Malar/Infraorbital implant?
Post by: triot on September 14, 2017, 09:50:08 AM
I wouldn't do anything that's too invasive (actually I wouldn't do anything at all, you're quite attractive as you are). I'd try fillers (but be careful who you choose, I have sb im my personal circle that f**ked her eyes up).

As for the nose: if you isolate your nose form the rest, the morphed one looks better, but if I consider the entire face it really does nothing significant for you. You're good as it is rn, that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Malar/Infraorbital implant?
Post by: kavan on September 14, 2017, 10:28:03 AM
He does lack some under eye support.

U think  that kinda nose slimming is feasible?!

Bone support to his eyes, isn't his core problem. Excess nose width is.

People who focus and prioritize on things that are not the core aesthetic issue are either electing to ignore what others would be seeing on their face or are really ATTACHED to what ever their aesthetic detraction is. That's why I said he must be attached to the excess width of his nose.

As to 'feasible'; I think it's feasible to have some insight as to what the key detractor of the face is.
Title: Re: Malar/Infraorbital implant?
Post by: Jilkster on September 14, 2017, 10:46:02 AM
Kavan is spot on and doesn't get the credit deserved for this one.

The guy doesn't have bony recession of the inferior orbital rims: he has proper bony projection at the inferior orbital rims. What is bothering him about the tearthroughs, is likely a soft tissue issue. So filler/fat repositioning with/or very conservative fat transfer (difficult area: be CONSERVATIVE), may give him what he is searching for. He'd have to consult with an oculoplastic surgeon for that, to understand the exact soft tissue issue.
He has great bone structure, great jawline, but somehow wants to focus on a deficient bone structure he does not have. He's missing the main aesthetic issue if he's searching for an improvement: the nose. If he does not want to change that, you can't blame him: many horror stories out there after rhinoplasty. But to then go fix things that look good, may make him look ridiculous in the end.

Did you get my pm by any chance?
Title: Re: Malar/Infraorbital implant?
Post by: kavan on September 14, 2017, 10:49:29 AM
Kavan is spot on and doesn't get the credit deserved for this one.

The guy doesn't have bony recession of the inferior orbital rims: he has proper bony projection at the inferior orbital rims. What is bothering him about the tearthroughs, is likely a soft tissue issue. So filler/fat repositioning with/or very conservative fat transfer (difficult area: be CONSERVATIVE), may give him what he is searching for. He'd have to consult with an oculoplastic surgeon for that, to understand the exact soft tissue issue.
He has great bone structure, great jawline, but somehow wants to focus on a deficient bone structure he does not have. He's missing the main aesthetic issue if he's searching for an improvement: the nose. If he does not want to change that, you can't blame him: many horror stories out there after rhinoplasty. But to then go fix things that look good, may make him look ridiculous in the end.

Spot on. 'Don't fix what ain't broken' theory.

If he had bone recession there, he'd have the 'bug eyes' and scleral show from frontal which he doesn't have. An orbital rim guy might take him on if he fell in their lap asking for implants there. But all he has is some soft tissue hollowing superior to the orbital rim and the excessively wide lower half of the nose.
Title: Re: Malar/Infraorbital implant?
Post by: Milli_Meters on September 14, 2017, 10:58:42 AM
Bone support to his eyes, isn't his core problem. Excess nose width is.

People who focus and prioritize on things that are not the core aesthetic issue are either electing to ignore what others would be seeing on their face or are really ATTACHED to what ever their aesthetic detraction is. That's why I said he must be attached to the excess width of his nose.

As to 'feasible'; I think it's feasible to have some insight as to what the key detractor of the face is.

Duh. The first thing I told this guy was lefort 1 was a bad idea due to his nose width (among other reasons) Touching his nose though would be riskier than getting some soft/fatty filler type support under eyes.
Title: Re: Malar/Infraorbital implant?
Post by: kavan on September 14, 2017, 11:38:54 AM
Duh. The first thing I told this guy was lefort 1 was a bad idea due to his nose width (among other reasons) Touching his nose though would be riskier than getting some soft/fatty filler type support under eyes.

Well, lefort 1 (with an outward displacement) isn't indicated for him even if he didn't have a wide nose because he has excellent bi-max projection. So, the key preclusion for maxfax/bi-max is the excellent projection to the jaws he already has. NOT the width of his nose. So, don't 'dah' me.

Also, please don't assume a visual suggestion from me SHOWING him the key detractor from his face (wide lower 1/2 of nose) as an implied statement from me that rhino's don't have risks. I've given him a visual where he can choose to see or not see and explore further if the former.

As to any risks he might have, it would be his undue focus on problems he doesn't have . He doesn't have bone recession to his orbital rims as you have prior suggested to him, (ORIS). But you are making some progress in the observation department to note he could use some soft tissue filler under the eyes.
Title: Re: Malar/Infraorbital implant?
Post by: PloskoPlus on September 14, 2017, 02:55:08 PM
Bone support to his eyes, isn't his core problem. Excess nose width is.

People who focus and prioritize on things that are not the core aesthetic issue are either electing to ignore what others would be seeing on their face or are really ATTACHED to what ever their aesthetic detraction is. That's why I said he must be attached to the excess width of his nose.

As to 'feasible'; I think it's feasible to have some insight as to what the key detractor of the face is.
You're spot on... But I've never seen such narrowing. I believe it's impossible.
Title: Re: Malar/Infraorbital implant?
Post by: kavan on September 14, 2017, 03:17:46 PM
You're spot on... But I've never seen such narrowing. I believe it's impossible.

Well, I set it with reference to a vertical drop down from the inner canthi just to show the excess width to lower 1/2 of nose is the key issue. Not to predict a result.  But still, any narrowing he could get would be an improvement.

ETA:
I've seen it carried out before with similar noses. Takes a few rhinos, consecutively though but not really 'revision' rhinos and of course with docs conversant in what he has, . But I don't want to get into the minutia of rhinos, doctor suggestions, etc. just because I know his nose could be improved in the width department.