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General Category => Aesthetics => Topic started by: Bowie on December 31, 2019, 11:44:23 AM
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Thought people may be interested to see the designs for my implants. I won't be posting before or afters but, God willing, if I survive the surgery then I will of course update this thread to say if I am satisfied or not. I am sure I will be, all his work looks very natural.
https://imgur.com/a/R2yZOcU
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@bowie: wait a minute.... didn't you already have work done (bone movements & implants) by Sailor?... If yes, what happened to make you go to Dr. Y now? (who's my original Surgeon by the way).
Also, your implant design looks very similar to my old design by Y. (I really liked it but... I incurred infection and everything had to be removed).
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Out of curiosity, what made you choose Yaremchuk over other doctors?
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@bowie: wait a minute.... didn't you already have work done (bone movements & implants) by Sailor?... If yes, what happened to make you go to Dr. Y now? (who's my original Surgeon by the way).
Also, your implant design looks very similar to my old design by Y. (I really liked it but... I incurred infection and everything had to be removed).
Yes but the cartilage implants have resorbed so much that I want them replaced with something permanent. Damn, sorry to hear that your implants got infected, how long after surgery did it occur?
This is pretty scary what Yaremchuk says about orbital rim implants, ‘ There are many reports in the literature of late complications with orbital implants, especially with silicone, polytetrafluoroethylene, and nylon plate. These have been noted to occur as late as 21 years after placement, and include infection,193,194 extrusion,195 migration with hematoma formation,196-199 migration with obstruction of the lacrimal duct,200,201 erosion into the maxillary sinus,202-204 and lower eyelid deformity.205,206’.
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Yes but the cartilage implants have resorbed so much that I want them replaced with something permanent. Damn, sorry to hear that your implants got infected, how long after surgery did it occur?
This is pretty scary what Yaremchuk says about orbital rim implants, ‘ There are many reports in the literature of late complications with orbital implants, especially with silicone, polytetrafluoroethylene, and nylon plate. These have been noted to occur as late as 21 years after placement, and include infection,193,194 extrusion,195 migration with hematoma formation,196-199 migration with obstruction of the lacrimal duct,200,201 erosion into the maxillary sinus,202-204 and lower eyelid deformity.205,206’.
i dunno call me conservative on this front. i just don't trust implants until they learn to implant real live bone constructed out of your own cells. maybe in the year 3000.
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i dunno call me conservative on this front. i just don't trust implants until they learn to implant real live bone constructed out of your own cells. maybe in the year 3000.
Yup. That's what attracted me to cartilage but of course it resorbs and nothing beats Yaremchuk's custom designs IMO. They look natural and very masculine. I already have medpor on my nose bridge so may as well go the whole hog. I would never go to Eppley having seen some of his work; it makes Michael Jackson look understated.
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Dr. y. is the best in the world imo. His aesthetic eye is unmatchable. Of course, he as well can make mistakes, you can't exclude mistakes or complications. But he's by far the best surgeon I had.
I personally just don't like silicone. But that's only my personal opinion.
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Dr. y. is the best in the world imo. His aesthetic eye is unmatchable. Of course, he as well can make mistakes, you can't exclude mistakes or complications. But he's by far the best surgeon I had.
I personally just don't like silicone. But that's only my personal opinion.
Did you have jaw implants with him? What do you make of his negative reviews?
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Did you have jaw implants with him? What do you make of his negative reviews?
I don't make anything of his negative reviews tbh. Every surgeon and company has negative outcomes, it's just part of things. I base my opinion on my own experience with him. He helped me tremendously and I was a very difficult case. I also found him to be an honest man and a perfectionist. Maybe he's not the easiest person to communicate with, but he's calm and composed. I was impressed by his technical skills and aestethic eye.
To elaborate further outside of Yaremchuk:
In my opinion a surgeon has superior aesthetic eye when he understands you need to stay within the range of normality when it comes to beauty. This, jn my opinion, is one of the key factors of beauty that I think has been highly misunderstood or overlooked by many surgeons (or they don't have the skills and subtility). Hence you can see how many botched nosejobs there are, for example.
In my opinion, there has been a highly flawed view on how to improve someone's looks. Facial harmony has been overlooked over the years, causing a bad name for plastic surgery as well. For example, you see all these beautiful women on Instagram with fake faces. I don't understand this. How's that an improvement? This is not how it's supposed to be and it has nothing to do with real beauty.
Facial harmony is not something that is completely measurable. You need to be an artist and feel it. While a surgeon can shorten a nose or reduce a nose technically, or a chin, or a jaw, or whatever, that doesn't mean it will fit the rest of the face.
When people feels miserable because of his or her face, they often think they are VERY far away from their ideal face. Many surgeons think the same it seems. Hence they do alot of grotesque procedures. The reality is, in most cases, a great outcome can be achieved by subtle changes.
Beauty is a matter of millimeters in most cases (not all cases). Also: many men want to look like a model. You don't need the facial structure of a model to look good. Sure, jaw is imo the most important feature when it comes to male beauty, and if it's somehow recessed you could improve it with a couple of millimeters. But do you really need a massive jaw? It depends from case to case of course.
Things are getting a bit out of hand lately. There is massive pressure to look good. There is also enormous hypergamy (it is simply true). But you don't have to look like a supermodel to make people appreciate your face. Just look NORMAL with some improvements. Don't go overboard.
Choose your surgeon carefully, but remember there is never a guarantee you made the right decision. But the most important: even if you had one or more botched jobs, it can be fixed in most cases. A botched job is fortunately in this time and age, not the end of everything.
I had seven botched jobs. It was a complete mess and I've been through hell and back. I look alright now. I don't want to be a supermodel (I never wanted to be one anyway).
Good luck everyone!
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Yes but the cartilage implants have resorbed so much that I want them replaced with something permanent. Damn, sorry to hear that your implants got infected, how long after surgery did it occur?
This is pretty scary what Yaremchuk says about orbital rim implants, ‘ There are many reports in the literature of late complications with orbital implants, especially with silicone, polytetrafluoroethylene, and nylon plate. These have been noted to occur as late as 21 years after placement, and include infection,193,194 extrusion,195 migration with hematoma formation,196-199 migration with obstruction of the lacrimal duct,200,201 erosion into the maxillary sinus,202-204 and lower eyelid deformity.205,206’.
@Bowie: Thanks for your kind sentiment and likewise, very sorry to hear about the resorption ) : I still have your photos on my old laptop and you looked amazing man! (I’m sure you still do)
Regarding my old implants, it seemed about 1-2 months but tbh it was probably “boiling” up until that point (most likely 2 weeks after as I did notice some symptoms retrospectively). Simply could not chew even soft foods, the chin portion literally shifted back and forth a couple times and under my chin looked like it was getting “sucked in” (aesthetically it was nice but something wasn’t right when I think about it).
About orbital rims: that is scary ... I hope Taban’s record is better (considering getting it done with him among a couple other suggested procedures).
By the way, I just got my new peek implants placed yesterday (we shall see how this endeavor plays out).
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@Bowie: Thanks for your kind sentiment and likewise, very sorry to hear about the resorption ) : I still have your photos on my old laptop and you looked amazing man! (I’m sure you still do)
Regarding my old implants, it seemed about 1-2 months but tbh it was probably “boiling” up until that point (most likely 2 weeks after as I did notice some symptoms retrospectively). Simply could not chew even soft foods, the chin portion literally shifted back and forth a couple times and under my chin looked like it was getting “sucked in” (aesthetically it was nice but something wasn’t right when I think about it).
About orbital rims: that is scary ... I hope Taban’s record is better (considering getting it done with him among a couple other suggested procedures).
By the way, I just got my new peek implants placed yesterday (we shall see how this endeavor plays out).
Well, looking back, I think Sailer's implants were too big anyway. It must seriously suck to go through it all and then have to have them removed due to infection - meaning *another* surgery! Are you getting the PEEK ones from Yaremchuk?
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Well, looking back, I think Sailer's implants were too big anyway. It must seriously suck to go through it all and then have to have them removed due to infection - meaning *another* surgery! Are you getting the PEEK ones from Yaremchuk?
Indeed it did and in short, it ruined everything: place I was living in abroad (had to come home), opportunities (documentary I was going to be featured in), my own projects, financials obviously, time and my health (physical and emotional well-being) -terrible experience -it really vexes me!
Also ... I would be very careful about going to Y. Listen, I like him (Y) as a person but the overall experience was horrible. Especially since I’ve had my procedure done in Belgium now and have a chance to compare (it was like I had Stockholm syndrome). You can PM me if you’d like details (obviously I’m still here in Belgium) so I’m writing my experiences down and can give a play by play but it is absolutely night and day (I was treated like trash in America and here in Europe I’m treated as a human being should be, including full transparency).
I say this also because I distinctly remember you detailing your experience with Sailor and how he basically treated you like family (letting you stay at his personal villa etc...) and this is a similar rapport I’ve with my current surgeon: we eat together each day for example and he LIKES to discuss every minute detail/aspect of my surgery via photos, diagrams, drafts and conversation; we also talk non-surgical topics I.e. he is genuinely interested to hear your ideas about life and exchange his.
The aforementioned is only one example of personalization that you will NEVER get with Y. not to mention his incompetent staff (there’s only one person there that I really liked, everyone else should be serving fries at McDonald’s).
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So who else is any good at implants, especially malar, infraorbital?
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Indeed it did and in short, it ruined everything: place I was living in abroad (had to come home), opportunities (documentary I was going to be featured in), my own projects, financials obviously, time and my health (physical and emotional well-being) -terrible experience -it really vexes me!
Also ... I would be very careful about going to Y. Listen, I like him (Y) as a person but the overall experience was horrible. Especially since I’ve had my procedure done in Belgium now and have a chance to compare (it was like I had Stockholm syndrome). You can PM me if you’d like details (obviously I’m still here in Belgium) so I’m writing my experiences down and can give a play by play but it is absolutely night and day (I was treated like trash in America and here in Europe I’m treated as a human being should be, including full transparency).
I say this also because I distinctly remember you detailing your experience with Sailor and how he basically treated you like family (letting you stay at his personal villa etc...) and this is a similar rapport I’ve with my current surgeon: we eat together each day for example and he LIKES to discuss every minute detail/aspect of my surgery via photos, diagrams, drafts and conversation; we also talk non-surgical topics I.e. he is genuinely interested to hear your ideas about life and exchange his.
The aforementioned is only one example of personalization that you will NEVER get with Y. not to mention his incompetent staff (there’s only one person there that I really liked, everyone else should be serving fries at McDonald’s).
Hi, mate. Yes, Sailer did indeed treat me like family. I know that I will not get that treatment in the UK or the US. So be it, I do trust Yaremchuk, he's also been nice enough.
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Indeed it did and in short, it ruined everything: place I was living in abroad (had to come home), opportunities (documentary I was going to be featured in), my own projects, financials obviously, time and my health (physical and emotional well-being) -terrible experience -it really vexes me!
Also ... I would be very careful about going to Y. Listen, I like him (Y) as a person but the overall experience was horrible. Especially since I’ve had my procedure done in Belgium now and have a chance to compare (it was like I had Stockholm syndrome). You can PM me if you’d like details (obviously I’m still here in Belgium) so I’m writing my experiences down and can give a play by play but it is absolutely night and day (I was treated like trash in America and here in Europe I’m treated as a human being should be, including full transparency).
I say this also because I distinctly remember you detailing your experience with Sailor and how he basically treated you like family (letting you stay at his personal villa etc...) and this is a similar rapport I’ve with my current surgeon: we eat together each day for example and he LIKES to discuss every minute detail/aspect of my surgery via photos, diagrams, drafts and conversation; we also talk non-surgical topics I.e. he is genuinely interested to hear your ideas about life and exchange his.
The aforementioned is only one example of personalization that you will NEVER get with Y. not to mention his incompetent staff (there’s only one person there that I really liked, everyone else should be serving fries at McDonald’s).
Did you get surgery with DeFrancq? How does his implant design aesthetic compare to Y's eye?
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Hi, mate. Yes, Sailer did indeed treat me like family. I know that I will not get that treatment in the UK or the US. So be it, I do trust Yaremchuk, he's also been nice enough.
I got that vibe from Sailor too when I consulted with him -very warm personality (can’t say the same about the rest of his staff or wife) it’s really too bad that it seems staff brings a surgeon down so much (quite literally). Perhaps surgeons will realize that who they hire can make or break them, eventually.
Regarding Y... as I mentioned, I like him personally (he stood by me and made good on his word) but the experience was utterly deplorable. I do sincerely hope everything goes well for you and I’m sure it will.
Cheers!
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Did you get surgery with DeFrancq? How does his implant design aesthetic compare to Y's eye?
Make a new thread and I’ll answer -tbh I should just detail my experience with D. but not on Bowie’s thread.
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Make a new thread and I’ll answer -tbh I should just detail my experience with D. but not on Bowie’s thread.
Yeah fair, don't want to derail the thread, would you be open to PM? I'm currently deciding between implant specialists and have an upcoming consult with DeFrancq.
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The aforementioned is only one example of personalization that you will NEVER get with Y. not to mention his incompetent staff (there’s only one person there that I really liked, everyone else should be serving fries at McDonald’s).
Y's assistant-surgeons are very polite and nice. Y. is a decent man himself, from my experience. I have to stick up for him, cause he gave me a second procedure months ago, even when I was quite satisfied with the endresult myself. He noticed an aestehtic flaw at my left side (I didn't see it myself), which was caused by the masseter retracting (again). He offered a new procedure to fix it for a very reduced price (only surgery costs). I know he didn't try to push me or pull money out of me, cause a couple of weeks before that, he said it was fine. It just bothered him personally, cause he wanted to make it the best it could get. I find that a class act. One of his female assistants is a very nice person as well. I liked her alot.
We both know who shouldn't be working there. But overall: with all due respect, does it really matter how nice people are? It's the endresult that counts (I hope all will be fine for you, you can pm me if you want). I know, if people had suboptimal results with a surgeon, they'll often hate him (which wasn't the case with you from what I remember). The results I've seen from Y. were decent or good (not talking about the online pics, but pics people sent me). There are some bad reviews about him online, so I guess he's not perfect and could make mistakes.
The first conversation I had with Y. years ago, I didn't like him that much. He seemed like a grumpy, not very warm or welcoming person. I was mistaken. He's actually a perfectionist, kind of straightforward and doesn't like to hear or see bulls**t. And he's actually a caring person too, but not someone who'd show his emotions (at least, that's my opinion).
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Thought people may be interested to see the designs for my implants. I won't be posting before or afters but, God willing, if I survive the surgery then I will of course update this thread to say if I am satisfied or not. I am sure I will be, all his work looks very natural.
https://imgur.com/a/R2yZOcU
@Bowie, that looks like a very nice implant design. Not exaggerated like Eppley but just enough in the right places. I also met with Dr. Yaremchuk and he came across as the slightly stressed out professor type. Based on the before and after pics he showed me I left quite impressed. Eppley on the other hand came across as a salesman and could not show me any before and afters even though I flew out all the way to Indiana. He said that patients that were satisfied did not return to take after photos. Fair enough. Based on my impressions I would choose Yaremchuk every day of the week.
@Bowie, would you mind uploading some more design pics, from the side, from below, from the top etc?
On a separate note, I also have a friend that had terrible jaw implant surgery with Defrancq. The doctor completely changed the implant design 3 days before surgery to his own liking and then proceeded to manufacture it without asking for consent. He then lied to my friend and convinced him that this would come out exactly the way my friend wanted. Since my friend is not an expert on implant design he trusted Defrancq. It came out like s**t and left my friend severly depressed. He was subsequently treated like garbage by Defrancq who told him to see a shrink if he did not like the design. Defrancq also managed to rip the masseter muscle on both sides (!) of the jaw and then refused to fix it. It is quite disgusting how defrancq lied and refused to take responsibility for his broken promises and total lack of aesthetic eye. I understand that Doctors can make mistakes, it is really how you handle the mistakes that shows what type of person you are. Also, the design is everything when it comes to facial implants, if the doctor does not have an aesthetic eye, you will be disappointed. I would certainly never trust Defrancq to do any design, nor would I trust him to place the jaw implant safely. Based on the email conversations that my friend showed me he came across as a Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde type.
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Defranq is simply not qualified enough to do implants. It's just not his field. Maybe he's trying to learn it, but he has a long way to go.
Eppley is a disaster. Should be avoided at all costs.
Yaremchuck knows what he's doing. But people are always b*tching about 'he's too conservative' and I want to look like a comic super hero so I go to Eppley'.
Defranq is a nightmare if you're not satisfied with the endresult. He also shouldn't lie so much.
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By the way, you can't fix detached masseters. Once detached, they will never be able to reatach them again at the right place, at least not with current techniques (maybe in the future). They can only camouflage the damage by stretching them or shaving part of them to reduce the bulk. But placing them back at the bottom of the jaw or implant is almost impossible in many cases, for different reasons.
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On a separate note, I also have a friend that had terrible jaw implant surgery with Defrancq. The doctor completely changed the implant design 3 days before surgery to his own liking and then proceeded to manufacture it without asking for consent. He then lied to my friend and convinced him that this would come out exactly the way my friend wanted. Since my friend is not an expert on implant design he trusted Defrancq. It came out like s**t and left my friend severly depressed. He was subsequently treated like garbage by Defrancq who told him to see a shrink if he did not like the design. Defrancq also managed to rip the masseter muscle on both sides (!) of the jaw and then refused to fix it. It is quite disgusting how defrancq lied and refused to take responsibility for his broken promises and total lack of aesthetic eye. I understand that Doctors can make mistakes, it is really how you handle the mistakes that shows what type of person you are. Also, the design is everything when it comes to facial implants, if the doctor does not have an aesthetic eye, you will be disappointed. I would certainly never trust Defrancq to do any design, nor would I trust him to place the jaw implant safely. Based on the email conversations that my friend showed me he came across as a Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde type.
The DeFrancq news is unsettling, especially as someone who has consulted with him and was planning on going forward with a procedure with him. Any reason in particular you guys think he doesn't have an aesthetic eye? From his morphs he seemed to know what he was doing. Also, what aspect of the implant came out poorly for your friend? Was it too big, too small etc?
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The DeFrancq news is unsettling, especially as someone who has consulted with him and was planning on going forward with a procedure with him. Any reason in particular you guys think he doesn't have an aesthetic eye? From his morphs he seemed to know what he was doing. Also, what aspect of the implant came out poorly for your friend? Was it too big, too small etc?
He probably does have some level of easthetic eye, but he's not completely specialized in implants yet it seems (he's probably working on that). He's done tons of other procedures, but jaw implants and wrap around implants are a relatively new procedure, especially in Europe, certainly with PEEK. You need aesthetic eye + experience. You need both.
Also, detached masseters is a soft tissue problem and this requires high level skills to partially fix. It's a s**t problem if it's too much, the only one I know specialized in that problem is dr. Y.
That being said, one of the users on this forum had a decent result with Defranq and showed his pics, although he also complained about a partially detached masseter at one side. So this seems to be a more common problem. Implants put alot of pressure on the masseter muscles it seems.
This whole business with implants is partially a trial and error business. The ideal outcome is raisor sharp jawangles, which fillers seem to provide lately. We're not there yet with implants I think, but I've seen good results even with current techniques and designs, depending on the surgeon.
Beauty is about millimeters. I agree the design must be exactly the right one, depending on the face. This is partially mathematics, but you just have to 'see' it. Only the artist can see it. And secondly, you have to know what you have to do during surgery. That's a technical problem. 1.5 millimeter too much on the design can easily become way too much in real life (inverse is also true). It depends on face and phenotype. Phenotype plays a role, asian men for example do the inverse: boneshaving. You cannot always put an 8 millimeter thick implant on an asian face, it' might look ridiculous. On a caucasian face, it's probably easier. On an arabic face, you risk making the face bloated due to oval shape facial structure in some cases. Many factors play a role.
And then you just deal with taste. Defranq seems to like masculinity, Yaremchuck wants more of a combination of masculinity and softness, which I think is ideal. Eppley seems to like over the top outcomes (maybe it's his taste?).
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The DeFrancq news is unsettling, especially as someone who has consulted with him and was planning on going forward with a procedure with him. Any reason in particular you guys think he doesn't have an aesthetic eye? From his morphs he seemed to know what he was doing. Also, what aspect of the implant came out poorly for your friend? Was it too big, too small etc?
It is pretty clear to me that anyone that does implant surgery with Defrancq is participating in his learning curve. He is a traditional maxfac who ventured into the lucrative business of aesthetic implant surgery. Implant surgery with him is like buying a lottery ticket, you might get lucky, who knows. All I can say is that if you decide to do surgery with him, please beware that post-op he decides what is good enough or not (read: anything is good enough). Your opinion is no longer wanted no matter how many pre-op assurances and promises he has violated.
@ben from UK, yes that guy is another case where Defrancq ripped the masseter muscle. I had never heard of this problem until my friend's surgery with Defrancq. I can only assume that this is a rare event among surgeons that have the proper experience with jaw implants. It is also true that Yaremchuk has written a paper on the subject. It is quite the procedure to get it fixed, and I suppose that there are no guarantees that it will last given the forces put on the masseter muscle everyday.
Bottom line: Do not participate in a surgeon's learning curve.
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When is the OP? Have you had them done yet?
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It is pretty clear to me that anyone that does implant surgery with Defrancq is participating in his learning curve. He is a traditional maxfac who ventured into the lucrative business of aesthetic implant surgery. Implant surgery with him is like buying a lottery ticket, you might get lucky, who knows. All I can say is that if you decide to do surgery with him, please beware that post-op he decides what is good enough or not (read: anything is good enough). Your opinion is no longer wanted no matter how many pre-op assurances and promises he has violated.
@ben from UK, yes that guy is another case where Defrancq ripped the masseter muscle. I had never heard of this problem until my friend's surgery with Defrancq. I can only assume that this is a rare event among surgeons that have the proper experience with jaw implants. It is also true that Yaremchuk has written a paper on the subject. It is quite the procedure to get it fixed, and I suppose that there are no guarantees that it will last given the forces put on the masseter muscle everyday.
Bottom line: Do not participate in a surgeon's learning curve.
Completely agree.
If done right, the results can be life changing and it could be the best thing you´ve ever done. If done wrong, it´s the worst nightmare you could have.
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Completely agree.
If done right, the results can be life changing and it could be the best thing you´ve ever done. If done wrong, it´s the worst nightmare you could have.
This is so true, my friend was devastated, borderline suicidal, after Defrancq's botched surgery. Your face is such a big part of who you are and most people that have implant surgery are already quite self aware of their looks. Imagine someone callously botching the design and surgery so badly that you come out much worse. These procedures are not exactly cheap or risk-free either. It also takes many many months for the swelling to come down, so you will be hard pressed to find any surgeon that will remove the implant before the 6 month mark no matter how much you hate it. You would also have to pay for the design of a whole new jaw implant to replace the one that is coming out, or hope that your soft tissues have not adapted and will bounce back, which is unlikely for an adult.
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This is so true, my friend was devastated, borderline suicidal, after Defrancq's botched surgery. Your face is such a big part of who you are and most people that have implant surgery are already quite self aware of their looks. Imagine someone callously botching the design and surgery so badly that you come out much worse. These procedures are not exactly cheap or risk-free either. It also takes many many months for the swelling to come down, so you will be hard pressed to find any surgeon that will remove the implant before the 6 month mark no matter how much you hate it. You would also have to pay for the design of a whole new jaw implant to replace the one that is coming out, or hope that your soft tissues have not adapted and will bounce back, which is unlikely for an adult.
True. What's your friend going to do now? Did he take out the implants? I think one should not take the implants out without replacing them immidiately, or else the masseter could bounce back, creating more problems down the line. I think especially when the implant was big. Same as with chin implants, when taking them out it could create a witch chin, which is hard to solve. Boneproblems aren't very big problems. You can add things on bone, you can move bone etc., You can basically make the bone any shape you want. But soft tissue problems are way more complicated to fix and can have a huge impact on aesthetics. Botched jobs are suicide inducing and also cause financial problems. That being said, it's 2020, so there's a solution for almost anything, except ageing.
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True. What's your friend going to do now? Did he take out the implants? I think one should not take the implants out without replacing them immidiately, or else the masseter could bounce back, creating more problems down the line. I think especially when the implant was big. Same as with chin implants, when taking them out it could create a witch chin, which is hard to solve. Boneproblems aren't very big problems. You can add things on bone, you can move bone etc., You can basically make the bone any shape you want. But soft tissue problems are way more complicated to fix and can have a huge impact on aesthetics. Botched jobs are suicide inducing and also cause financial problems. That being said, it's 2020, so there's a solution for almost anything, except ageing.
Well, luckily beards are still very much in fashion, so he has grown a big beard to cover up his botched lower third. He is definitely aware that just removing the implant is not a good option, it needs to be replaced. Unfortunately he is short of the funds right now, plus he obviously has major trust issues after being played by Defrancq. Maybe, if my jawimplant is succesful, then he will find the courage to get it fixed. Then we have the whole separate issue of his ripped masseter muscles.
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Well, luckily beards are still very much in fashion, so he has grown a big beard to cover up his botched lower third. He is definitely aware that just removing the implant is not a good option, it needs to be replaced. Unfortunately he is short of the funds right now, plus he obviously has major trust issues after being played by Defrancq. Maybe, if my jawimplant is succesful, then he will find the courage to get it fixed. Then we have the whole separate issue of his ripped masseter muscles.
I don't know if Defranq is that stupid and thinks a bad result is a good result, which means he has low aesthetical standards, which doesn't speak for him as a surgeon, or he's manipulating his way out of things. I think it's the latter. And then it will backlash hard on him if he continues like that. Every surgeon needs a learning curve, which means he needs a lot of 'labrats' to become good (and even then, you need talent as well). You better not be the labrat. But the least he can do is admit his mistakes if the aesthetical outcome is subpar. Starting to think this guy is highly manipulative and should be avoided.
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I don't know if Defranq is that stupid and thinks a bad result is a good result, which means he has low aesthetical standards, which doesn't speak for him as a surgeon, or he's manipulating his way out of things. I think it's the latter. And then it will backlash hard on him if he continues like that. Every surgeon needs a learning curve, which means he needs a lot of 'labrats' to become good (and even then, you need talent as well). You better not be the labrat. But the least he can do is admit his mistakes if the aesthetical outcome is subpar. Starting to think this guy is highly manipulative and should be avoided.
From listening to my friend and reading their extensive email conversation, I would say that Defrancq certainly has low aesthetical standards but sadly even lower morals. As I mentioned before, he changed the implant to his own liking 3 days before the surgery date and then proceeded to manufacture it without consent. At this point my friend had already paid the full amount, and if he wanted to withdraw from the surgery it would have cost him something like 30% of all surgery related fees plus the costs of the manufactured implant. Just the cost of the jawimplant was around 4000 euros. Who wants to part with 7000 euros and leave empty handed? At the same time Defrancq started a psychological pressure campaing to convince my friend that this was 'THE' implant and that all of his aesthetic wishes would materialize. He even said that IF my friend was not satsified he would happily design a new implant and replace it. This turned out to be all lies of course. My friend had wished for this surgery for so many years already, and had also arranged for a long leave of absence from work to leave room for healing. Imagine all that psychological and economic pressure combined with the real desire to finally have the change you that always wished for. Naturally he relented and decided to trust Defrancq. Big mistake!