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General Category => General Chat => Topic started by: streo on September 11, 2012, 02:39:15 PM
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Slightly different approach to the other thread, but I was just curious to know the communities thoughts on the following graphic from OK Cupid:
http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/lies/MaleMessageDistributionByIncomeBright.png (http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/lies/MaleMessageDistributionByIncomeBright.png)
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IMO, attractive people are more confident, more likely to take risks, etc. on average
So that would explain the discrepancy rather than some sort of bias/discrimination on the employer's part. Also, the income may have influenced the # of messages, so it's not guaranteed the person is more attractive. It could be backwards and the income is resulting in more messages.
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Most of the people I know who make a lot of money are ugly.
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Most of the people I know who make a lot of money are ugly.
No one ever said it's impossible to make good money if you're ugly. What's your point?
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Most of the people I know who make a lot of money are ugly.
LOL!
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No one ever said it's impossible to make good money if you're ugly. What's your point?
that women on okcupid prefer money to physical attractiveness(assuming the high earning men on OKcupid are also on average less attractive, which is not proven but wouldnt shock me)
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that women on okcupid prefer money to physical attractiveness(assuming the high earning men on OKcupid are also on average less attractive, which is not proven but wouldnt shock me)
Studies show that good-looking people earn more than ugly ones on average. Actually, there are quite clear income-discrepancies between ugly, normal and handsome people, with the ugly ones earning the least, the normal ones earning slightly more and handsome ones earning slightly more than both. If you're interested, there's a bunch of these studies to be found online. This doesn't mean that you are wrong in your assumption that okcupid-women prefer money over attractiveness, though. It's no secret that lots of ridiculously attractive women settle for wealthy, not too good-looking men.
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How many attractive homeless people have you ever seen?
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Most of the people I know who make a lot of money are ugly.
This has been my observation, too. There are a couple/few exceptions, of course, but most of my wealthy friends are not particularly attractive. Smart, aggressive and scrappy, yes. A good handful also seem to have some degree of ADHD :D. Don't know if there is any correlation, but I thought I'd throw that out there.
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How many attractive homeless people have you ever seen?
What? No, I don't agree. No shower, exposure to the elements (probably without sunscreen), poor nutrition, a limited (and dirty?) wardrobe, no make-up - that could do a number on anyone's attractiveness level. Worry and stress don't put the prettiest expression on a person's face either.
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plenty of homeless people don't live outside of public libraries and on the street.
Oh yes, I know! But for homeless people who don't live on the street, there's no way for me to distinguish them from the rest of the population unless I know them personally, so I could never draw any conclusion about the way they look as a group. Marisama asked, "how many attractive homeless people have you ever seen?" The only people I've seen and thought to myself that they're probably homeless have been people who look like they live on the street.
I totally agree with your other points.
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How many attractive homeless people have you ever seen?
Loads.
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The difference in income between ugly, normal-looking and attractive people is not enormous, but large enough to notice a pattern. The greatest difference in income is between ugly and normal-looking and the figures I've seen suggest that the difference is around 10-15%. The difference between normal-looking and attractive people is only around 5% according to some studies, if i recall correctly. This doesn't in any way mean that you won't be able to create wealth if you are less fortunate with your appearance - just like it doesn't mean that attractive people are immune to economic problems and whatnot. Even suggesting things like that is upright ridiculous.
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I think the income discrepancy between ugly and attractive will only grow as time goes on and become more important. Nowadays were bombarded by images of good looking people (for the love of god the beast on that new beauty and the beast show is good looking) . Everything from shows, movies ,commercials etc only feature good looking people. Also I'm going to get flamed to hell for this but the rise of women ,especially attractive ones in the workplace. granted this is only based on my experience as an ugly man but woman do not like ugly people (either sex) they want nothing to do with them and label them creepy, while becoming best buds with the other good looking people. now who gets the promotion.
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i've said it before but I can get away with acting stupid on the job because female bosses (30+ year olds usually) find me cute (not sexy, very different). male bosses I feel I can get away with a lot less unless I make good friends with them. just my anecdotal experience, so yes looks matter, I didn't read earl's comment as saying only 10/10's will get preferential treatment
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also actually good looking people are f**king rare as hell. I mean just walk around any restaurant or whatever and out of two-hundred people you might see one, maybe who could even be good looking enough to be on a sitcom, leave alone model or idealized in any way. It's an unrealistic standard.
(http://www.tccltd.com/db_images/rayromano_lg.jpg)
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How many attractive people over 25 years old have you seen working at Walmart or working at a grocery store. No offense to the people that work there... I think attractive people often have more emotional intelligence and know how to influence others better than people that are well below average looking.
I only skimmed it, but here is a study investigating the topic.
http://www.stajkovic.biz/EvMBA/Home_files/Smart,%20attractive,%20confident.pdf (http://www.stajkovic.biz/EvMBA/Home_files/Smart,%20attractive,%20confident.pdf)
It's not an end all be all, but I do think all other things being equal attractive people have a distinct advantage over unattractive people.
I have to laugh at the mention of attractive homeless people. One attractive homeless guy (drug addict) was spotted in 2012, and there were many articles on him and people reaching out to help him get back on his feet.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/26/ridiculously-photogenic-homeless-guy_n_2007113.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/26/ridiculously-photogenic-homeless-guy_n_2007113.html)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223761/Meet-ridiculously-photogenic-homeless-guy-picture-shared-40-000-times-Facebook.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223761/Meet-ridiculously-photogenic-homeless-guy-picture-shared-40-000-times-Facebook.html)
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Didn't say it was. I would say he's above average and has a good, clean appearance, like what an average looking guy can aspire to.
also there are people on this site willing to cut up their faces without a second thought, whereas I (much like you) am hesitant to get even the smallest procedure so let's not get dramatic, we all have things we'd like to change about ourselves
he's above average
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How many attractive people over 25 years old have you seen working at Walmart or working at a grocery store. No offense to the people that work there... I think attractive people often have more emotional intelligence and know how to influence others better than people that are well below average looking.
less to do with looks and more to do with class. i dont see a terrible amount of people over 25 working at grocery stores other than managers and the occasional clerk. mostly because of the economy. that's just where i live though.
im guessing people who look a certain way have a different experience as they develop, and that can create a lot of positive attributes. and yeah, it isn't terribly difficult to manipulate people with your looks without even realizing it. i dont think attractiveness by itself is correlated with more $$$, but it just provides more opportunities to take advantage of. it still depends on the person and their ambitions.
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No, Michael Cera is ugly, IMO. And not because he's dorky, I went to a uni full of dorks/geeks and it doesn't make you unattractive. He looks like a chicken.
I don't think Michael Cera is ugly, although he does look somewhat like a bird. I'm sure he can't be all that ugly in real life otherwise he would never be able to hold his own on screen. 'Ugly' actors aren't genuinely ugly, they are just not perfect looking. They stand out from the others because everyone else is extremely good looking. It gives them personality.
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No, Michael Cera is ugly, IMO. And not because he's dorky, I went to a uni full of dorks/geeks and it doesn't make you unattractive. He looks like a chicken.
LOL michael cera is attractive. this forum is getting ridiculous.
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michael cera looks quite nice.
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michael cera looks quite nice.
Second this, I think he's good looking.
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Second this, I think he's good looking.
Maybe cos I have a receded lower jaw, I really find it unattractive. Every single one of my boyfriends has had a strong lower jaw.
Things are really relative. America is a lot more looks-based than Europe but not nearly as bad as places like South Korea and parts of South America. Jaw surgery that we consider quite extreme and brutal is really common in SK and is advertised all over the metro etc. The UAE is really much more shallow and visual than the UK. Girls get an updo or blowdry and full evening makeup just to go to the mall. I feel about 10x more attractive when I come back to London. But I felt 10x fatter in NYC than I do in Dubai.
I remember reading a paper or article about beauty standards and how they affect us. Basically everyone has way higher standards now as we are bombarded with images of the most beautiful people in the world. Whereas before, in the paleolithic, most tribes were no larger than 150, so the beauty standard was much lower as the most good looking 10 people out of 6.5 billion are infinitely more attractive that the best 10 out of 150.
An ugly guy can approach women in the same way as a good looking guy and will get labelled as a creep, whereas a good looking guy will not. That said, women are judged way way more on their looks than men. Guys can easily make up for ugliness with gym and $$ and personality. You see stunning girls with ugly guys so much more frequently the than the other way around. I would hazard a guess that there is more correlation between income and attractiveness for women than for men.
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Just to jump in, can you just outrightly divide the world into good looking, average or ugly people? Seems a little closed minded IMO.
For example, I adore Alan Rickman, think he's gorgeous. I know many many people who disagree with me. Is he ugly? Or good looking? Surely this is all subjective?!
I don't really understand the point being made here!
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Just to jump in, can you just outrightly divide the world into good looking, average or ugly people? Seems a little closed minded IMO.
For example, I adore Alan Rickman, think he's gorgeous. I know many many people who disagree with me. Is he ugly? Or good looking? Surely this is all subjective?!
I don't really understand the point being made here!
he is an actor, you'd be hard pressed to name 5 well-known actors who are a legit eyesore. there is a difference between objectively ugly and personal preference
anyone who calls an actor ugly is likely using hyperbole and that actor just isn't his or her type
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Ok fair enough, but that's just your opinion though isn't it? People might genuinely find him ugly though? Being an actor doesn't always equal being attractive..
Isn't type what makes you attractive or not to the individual? Am I being naive to think that you can't split the world into 3 categories??
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Ok fair enough, but that's just your opinion though isn't it? People might genuinely find him ugly though? Being an actor doesn't always equal being attractive..
Isn't type what makes you attractive or not to the individual? Am I being naive to think that you can't split the world into 3 categories??
Categories don't actually exist no, we just create them cause we like things neat & tidy.
A healthy development matters more than being a certain type. A treacher collins guy will seriously struggle to find a more normally developed person who would be willing to date him, to use an extreme example. and this would carry down to smaller differences as well, like how much estrogen or testosterone a person is exposed to while growing
Attraction has a very objective, biological basis... With some leeway for environmental influence.
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Ok I understand your point.
Just makes me bit depressed about the state of the world that someone could take a glance at me and place me in the ugly column and practically judge me without even knowing me! I like to be an optimist and think that people aren't like that though!
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Ok I understand your point.
Just makes me bit depressed about the state of the world that someone could take a glance at me and place me in the ugly column and practically judge me without even knowing me! I like to be an optimist and think that people aren't like that though!
my .02 about that is if someone finds you superficially ugly on first impression
a) nothing that you say will ever change their lack of attraction to you
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b) you're better off finding someone who can appreciate your outer (and inner) beauty
when you're average-looking to a person, then I think your personality has the ability to win them over
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Just to jump in, can you just outrightly divide the world into good looking, average or ugly people? Seems a little closed minded IMO.
For example, I adore Alan Rickman, think he's gorgeous. I know many many people who disagree with me. Is he ugly? Or good looking? Surely this is all subjective?!
I don't really understand the point being made here!
Alan Rickman is tremendously attractive and charismatic. He has a distinct look, but I'm sure many people find him gorgeous. Also, he has such a beautiful sonorous deep baritone of a voice that is also very attractive. So I agree. I don't think things are as cut and dry as many people think.
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"There is no excellent beauty that hath not some strangeness in the proportion."
I think beauty is a lot more divisive than pretty. For example, a girl who's a 8 or a 9 - 95% of people would say she was pretty. But for a girl who is strikingly beautiful, some would rate her as a 10 but others at as a 3 or 4. I think there has to be something unusual in the face to take someone from "very pretty" to "beautiful"
For example this girl, who supposedly has a perfect face. I think everyone would agree that she's extremely pretty. But personally I wouldn't describe her as beautiful or striking.
(http://www.resimbul.com/sonuc/c/survivor/survivor-in-en-guzel-kizi/survivor-in-en-guzel-kizi-d3e7e2.jpg)
Women like Eva Green, Angelina Jolie, Keira Knightley, Berenice Marlohe I consider beautiful - as do most people but some consider ugly. Kristen Stewart is another example, she really seems to divide opinions.
And you can be sexy, without being all that attractive. Daniel Craig - face like a mug. Sexy? Hell yes, because of the attitude and the figure.
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"There is no excellent beauty that hath not some strangeness in the proportion."
I think beauty is a lot more divisive than pretty. For example, a girl who's a 8 or a 9 - 95% of people would say she was pretty. But for a girl who is strikingly beautiful, some would rate her as a 10 but others at as a 3 or 4. I think there has to be something unusual in the face to take someone from "very pretty" to "beautiful"
For example this girl, who supposedly has a perfect face. I think everyone would agree that she's extremely pretty. But personally I wouldn't describe her as beautiful or striking.
(http://www.resimbul.com/sonuc/c/survivor/survivor-in-en-guzel-kizi/survivor-in-en-guzel-kizi-d3e7e2.jpg)
Women like Eva Green, Angelina Jolie, Keira Knightley, Berenice Marlohe I consider beautiful - as do most people but some consider ugly. Kristen Stewart is another example, she really seems to divide opinions.
And you can be sexy, without being all that attractive. Daniel Craig - face like a mug. Sexy? Hell yes, because of the attitude and the figure.
is it weird that i can spot the asymmetry in this 'perfect' face?
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I think beauty is a lot more divisive than pretty. For example, a girl who's a 8 or a 9 - 95% of people would say she was pretty. But for a girl who is strikingly beautiful, some would rate her as a 10 but others at as a 3 or 4.
LOL. only girls boiling with jealousy and rage rate extremely attractive women below average. you will never find a guy who is going to say a "10" is a 3. never.
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LOL. only girls boiling with jealousy and rage rate extremely attractive women below average. you will never find a guy who is going to say a "10" is a 3. never.
Agreed, mostly jealous women are the ones ranking other women lower than what they probably should be- its a terrible thing to admit but it stems from insecurities and the fact that some women feel trapped by their appearances. Putting someone down is their way of thinking they're ahead.
That girl is pretty. What the f**k is a perfect ten? Why is there this numerical system to rank people? It bothers me.
Anyways- we all seem to steer towards certain traits in people even if they are not considered 'attractive' by the mainstream
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LOL. only girls boiling with jealousy and rage rate extremely attractive women below average. you will never find a guy who is going to say a "10" is a 3. never.
*cough* Kristin Stewart
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*cough* Kristin Stewart
;D
Keira Knightly? I think she's stunning, I think most would agree. My Dad says she's ugly. There are a good few models with strong feature that I think are really beautiful and mention it to boyfriends and they really didn't agree.
Of course the blonde girl is pretty, super super pretty. My point is that beautiful tends to be more divisive than pretty.
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A healthy development matters more than being a certain type. A treacher collins guy will seriously struggle to find a more normally developed person who would be willing to date him, to use an extreme example.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11780938 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11780938)