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General Category => General Chat => Topic started by: Optimistic on September 19, 2014, 08:32:00 AM
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This is a 100% serious question: Why is there such an enormous over-representation of Brits on this forum? It's even stranger when one factors in the vastly differing population sizes.
Anecdotally a lot of my friends from mainland Europe claim the Brits are unattractive, which almost certainly means underdeveloped jaws and facial structure. I can say my own personal experience matches this observation. Conversely, Australia which also has a predominantly anglo-celtic population is known for just the opposite, or at the very least aren't known for a lack of attractiveness.
If what Dr Mike Mew states is true then surely a lot of this could be explained by diet.
Are there any other explanations for why this could be? Do they really eat a lot of soft foods like fish and chips?
I even remember reading an article from the BBC which stated hair loss was also more prevalent in the UK than other Western nations.
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Isn't it obvious? All the attractive people from the UK moved to Australia and took their good genes with them. ;D
But seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if our modern diet is the cause of a lot of these jaw discrepancies. I watched a show where Jamie Oliver went around to schools in the UK and tried to change how the kids there ate and it was appaling to see the kind of crap the kids survived on. I don't think it's fair to single out British people though. They may have a lot of "ugly" people, but they sure do have a lot of very attractive people as well. It's a bit ironic that British people are known for having bad teeth when in reality they actually have far more healthy teeth on average than say Americans.
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Isn't it obvious? All the attractive people from the UK moved to Australia and took their good genes with them. ;D
But seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if our modern diet is the cause of a lot of these jaw discrepancies. I watched a show where Jamie Oliver went around to schools in the UK and tried to change how the kids there ate and it was appaling to see the kind of crap the kids survived on. I don't think it's fair to single out British people though. They may have a lot of "ugly" people, but they sure do have a lot of very attractive people as well. It's a bit ironic that British people are known for having bad teeth when in reality they actually have far more healthy teeth on average than say Americans.
It's not my intention to pick on anyone who is British and make them feel bad. Sorry to anyone who feels that way.
As for diet isn't the UK the most overweight country in Europe?
It's funny how the British have that stereotype of bad teeth when countries like Japan actually embrace crooked teeth. I think the idea is a cute girl shouldn't too perfect, and so having a crooked tooth is kind of like an attractive flaw. Something that humanises them I guess? A bit in contrast to Americans who want that perfect face and smile.
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I'm half British myself and I'd say the brits are a pretty ugly bunch and often have a weak bone structure. However, I think quite a lot of Northern Europeans are not especially attractive, not just British (after all we are a mix of celts, germans, french and dutch with a touch of viking) There is also the issue of plain colouring which makes people look uglier - here in the Middle East a lot of people look striking and attractive and in part it's features but also strong eyebrows, long eyelashes and dark hair and eyes play a part
I don't know what it is - genetics? My diet was good and I still have a small lower jaw. If you look at Iranians, a lot of them have really strong gonial angles...is it because there is some asian (mongol) blood from the Ghengis Khan? Living in a very mixed place, as well as British and some Northern Europeans, I also see a lot of Indians with poor bone structure, whereas some Pakistanis (especially northerners and pashtuns) have much more defined faces.
Brits do not have bad teeth, it's just that they 'got into' orthodontics later than Americans did
Don't forget that this is also an English language forum
Also I think Americans are more likely to get jaw surgery when they're teenagers. When I was a teen, jaw surgery in the UK on the NHS was very rare, but I was told that now it's more common. So there are quite a number of Brits with bite issues that had orthodontic work when they needed surgery
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Ive heard that Britain is still a class's society with the upper classes still being mainly Norman descendants. Hence taller, better looking. I wonder if the royals disprove this, because they look really inbred to me.
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Ive heard that Britain is still a class's society with the upper classes still being mainly Norman descendants. Hence taller, better looking. I wonder if the royals disprove this, because they look really inbred to me.
More money equals (or makes more likely) better looking girlfriend equals better looking offspring. Not just exclusive to Britain. But I' went to a working class state school and I'm 6ft2 and just got back from Turkey where I was pretty much the tallest person in the country.
On topic, I don't think there's anything fundamentally different about the U.K, in orthognathic terms, than Australia or the United States, but maybe, historically, other countries used to assign a higher value to having a nice set of teeth. I think race is more likely to account for different face types.
Also, there is definitely a genetic component to face types because I know a family of six brothers who have the same gummy smile as their mother.
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Also, there is definitely a genetic component to face types because I know a family of six brothers who have the same gummy smile as their mother.
My mother, grandfather, uncle and I are all class iii. Must be the environment!
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My face is (was) pretty strongly developed for a class ii, wonder if having a splash of Med blood helped?
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Well I've heard this theory that a lot of UV exposure before the age of 5:
* increases your chance of skin cancer dramatically in later life (Australian studies show this)
* gives you more robust bones and especially teeth (fringe theory)
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The woeful amount of UV we have here might well be a contributing factor.
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Ive heard that Britain is still a class's society with the upper classes still being mainly Norman descendants. Hence taller, better looking.
This is partially true, a lot of the British upper classes still have surnames of Norman origin. But why would Normans be better looking than the native Pits + Celts or the Saxons/ Angles? I wouldn't say the French are better looking or taller than the Dutch or Germans.
More money equals (or makes more likely) better looking girlfriend equals better looking offspring. Not just exclusive to Britain.
This is the more likely reason
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Some history of underbites, it is quite interesting
http://www.antiquesatoz.com/habsburg/habsburg-jaw.htm
http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Habsburg-Jaw-And-Other-Royal-Inbreeding-Deformities-and-Disorders
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Ive heard that Britain is still a class's society with the upper classes still being mainly Norman descendants. Hence taller, better looking. I wonder if the royals disprove this, because they look really inbred to me.
Really? I've always found the opposite to be true to be honest, if we're just talking purely on facial structure here.
Living & working in rather a toff gathering point town, some of the upper class have a very distinct look about them and tbh it's anything but attractive.
However I have often see girls especially, from rather chavvy backgrounds with stunning bone structures and infact rather modelesque just a pity they slob it up in tracksuits.
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Really? I've always found the opposite to be true to be honest, if we're just talking purely on facial structure here.
Living & working in rather a toff gathering point town, some of the upper class have a very distinct look about them and tbh it's anything but attractive.
However I have often see girls especially, from rather chavvy backgrounds with stunning bone structures and infact rather modelesque just a pity they slob it up in tracksuits.
Wonder where you live cos I hardly ever saw it this way around! (and I lived in a variety of places from chav stuffed to toff city)
Look at One Direction, the only really good-looking one is the British-Pakistani one. The rest, no thanks!
Anyway I do not believe that the British are any worse looking than the rest of North West Europe. However, I do think that the UK is a more 'vain' (ie image-based) society than say Germany, with higher rates of cosmetic surgery
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This is a 100% serious question: Why is there such an enormous over-representation of Brits on this forum? It's even stranger when one factors in the vastly differing population sizes.
Anecdotally a lot of my friends from mainland Europe claim the Brits are unattractive, which almost certainly means underdeveloped jaws and facial structure. I can say my own personal experience matches this observation. Conversely, Australia which also has a predominantly anglo-celtic population is known for just the opposite, or at the very least aren't known for a lack of attractiveness.
If what Dr Mike Mew states is true then surely a lot of this could be explained by diet.
Are there any other explanations for why this could be? Do they really eat a lot of soft foods like fish and chips?
I even remember reading an article from the BBC which stated hair loss was also more prevalent in the UK than other Western nations.
If you're that pathetic Swede who posted his face here, and who posts on sluthate, then I don't think you should be calling anyone ugly because you are one f**king ugly c*nt. Your 'friends from mainland europe' lol. You don't have any friends. You are just a lowlife incel piece of s**t. As for your belief that british people are ugly, there is zero evidence for that. If you had a single working brain cell you would have worked that out by now. It's a pity your brain is as s**tty as your personality.
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If you're that pathetic Swede who posted his face here, and who posts on sluthate, then I don't think you should be calling anyone ugly because you are one f**king ugly c*nt. Your 'friends from mainland europe' lol. You don't have any friends. You are just a lowlife incel piece of s**t. As for your belief that british people are ugly, there is zero evidence for that. If you had a single working brain cell you would have worked that out by now. It's a pity your brain is as s**tty as your personality.
Do you have any links to those posts?
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I'm half British myself and I'd say the brits are a pretty ugly bunch and often have a weak bone structure. However, I think quite a lot of Northern Europeans are not especially attractive, not just British (after all we are a mix of celts, germans, french and dutch with a touch of viking) There is also the issue of plain colouring which makes people look uglier - here in the Middle East a lot of people look striking and attractive and in part it's features but also strong eyebrows, long eyelashes and dark hair and eyes play a part
Just lol at what you're writing here. I hate to be down on any particular group but there is just no way that middle easterners look better than whites. You are a complete fantasist if you think other wise. Being swarthy doesn't make anyone attractive, if anything the opposite is true. Neither do unibrows/dark hair make people attractive. Arabian/Persian women have to work extremely hard at their looks, because in general they are fairly manish looking. With big ugly features and large noses. Without surgery/heavy makeup they wouldn't have any good looks at all. Arabian/Persian men are dwarves, and very few would ever be considered attractive in europe. Whites have straight noses/good complexions and are tall, so there really is no comparison.
If you read this and think I'm talking bollocks, then think about why you had a rhinoplasty. You had a typically iranian looking nose pre surgery (big), but wanted a more european looking one (small).
You're totally obsessed with the middle east and mention it in every post you make. Stop prattling on about it all the time, there is nothing good about the middle east. Great Britain is greater than all of the countries of the middle east put together, and then some, several times over. The middle east is islam, burqas and bombs, nothing more.
You've mentioned before that you were an ugly nerd at school, and that is seemingly why you have this obsession with becoming good looking. How can it be that with your superior middle eastern genetics you were so much uglier than all the other english girls. Something about your theories just doesn't add up. You're completely deluded, probably caused by being treated like a god for having white skin while living in the middle east. Delusions about working in the fashion industry, delusions about becoming good looking. These are all delusions.
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Do you have any links to those posts?
Not at my finger tips. He's the swede who looks like a fish though.
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Not at my finger tips. He's the swede who looks like a fish though.
Would you mind finding some of those posts (you can send them in a PM if you don't want to post them here)?
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You should probably leave your sluthate crap at the door, it's not appropriate here.
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You should probably leave your sluthate crap at the door, it's not appropriate here.
I'm not a sluthater. The guy who started his thread is. He's got it into his head that all british people are ugly. It's one of the things these retards are always jabbering about. They're complete animals.
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I'm not a sluthater. The guy who started his thread is. He's got it into his head that all british people are ugly. It's one of the things these retards are always jabbering about. They're complete animals.
Are you sure you've got the right person?
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Are you sure you've got the right person?
Yes, and it's not just one of these morons saying it. They're always on about this, how british people are ugly, english women are ugly etc. They're total morons, just complete animals basically. They can barely speak english most of them. It's like they've crawled out of the sewers.
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Yes, and it's not just one of these morons saying it. They're always on about this, how british people are ugly, english women are ugly etc. They're total morons, just complete animals basically. They can barely speak english most of them. It's like they've crawled out of the sewers.
I didn't think Disillusioned was Swedish :-\
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If you're that pathetic Swede who posted his face here, and who posts on sluthate, then I don't think you should be calling anyone ugly because you are one f**king ugly c*nt. Your 'friends from mainland europe' lol. You don't have any friends. You are just a lowlife incel piece of s**t. As for your belief that british people are ugly, there is zero evidence for that. If you had a single working brain cell you would have worked that out by now. It's a pity your brain is as s**tty as your personality.
Wrong person.
Go and re-read my first post. Typical emotional response. I'd hate to live your life.
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I'm not a sluthater. The guy who started his thread is. He's got it into his head that all british people are ugly. It's one of the things these retards are always jabbering about. They're complete animals.
I don't even have an account on that website, nor am I Swedish.
It begs the question how you would apparently know I'm a "sluthater" if you don't go there ;D
Edit: dude what? Who calls someone out (incorrectly I might add) on being a Swedish sluthater, only to go on a massive tirade against arabs that would fit in just perfectly on that website? You get offended at me for apparently saying they aren't attractive, yet explicitly said that yourself about arabs. wtf?
Edit II: Did a Google search. There's an account on sluthate called Disillusioned so that's probably where the confusion is coming from. I can't see post history so I can't confirm if he is Swedish or not.
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He looks like a frog, not a fish.
Yep. He might not be the exact one I am thinking of, but he is one of them. No doubt about it. Same mentality, same ideas. He's trying to hide his personality a little bit but I can see through it.
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Yep. He might not be the exact one I am thinking of, but he is one of them. No doubt about it. Same mentality, same ideas. He's trying to hide his personality a little bit but I can see through it.
It's good you're so smart!
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I dunno why I am even bothering to reply to this tirade of crazy but anyway
You had a typically iranian looking nose pre surgery (big), but wanted a more european looking one (small).
Wrong. My nose wasn't that big, nor was it a typically middle eastern shape, not at all. Wasn't a nice shape but it certainly wasn't an Iranian or Arabic looking nose.
Great Britain is greater than all of the countries of the middle east put together, and then some, several times over.
You do realise that I am half British, most of my family are British and I mainly grew up in the UK? (I'm also an atheist, not that it's relevant) (also, did you miss the part where I said that the british are not any uglier than other northern europeans?)
The middle east is islam, burqas and bombs, nothing more.
Wait, wait, there is also quite a lot of camels, sand, oil and body hair in these parts. Obviously you haven't travelled much. FYI Lebanon is 40% Christian.
Also burqa? Right -
(http://streetstyle.stilage.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/stilage_vienna_street_style_stilage_for_teheran_blue_shoes_long_brown_scarf_02.jpg)
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1525265/thumbs/o-TEHRAN-STREET-STYLE-570.jpg)
And this is nothing compared to how much other women tart up their hijab
You've mentioned before that you were an ugly nerd at school, and that is seemingly why you have this obsession with becoming good looking. How can it be that with your superior middle eastern genetics you were so much uglier than all the other english girls. Something about your theories just doesn't add up. You're completely deluded, probably caused by being treated like a god for having white skin while living in the middle east. Delusions about working in the fashion industry, delusions about becoming good looking. These are all delusions.
OK, I was never actually ugly. I was pretty normal looking or even reasonably cute. Also, I do not look particularly middle eastern, aside from the dark hair and dark eyebrows and big arse...my facial structure is way more European - roundish (not almond) eyes, smaller lower jaw. A lot of Iranians have very defined ramus/lower jaws.
White/pale skin is common where I live and not a big deal. Paler girls do not get special treatment here
I don't know what you're smoking but you need to calm the f**k down
GTG, bombs don't make themselves after all
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Let's try to keep things civilized.
Not sure why this topic escalated. I have never found Tiny's posts to be anything but helpful and insightful. If anyone has a problem, why not make a civil post about it instead of going on an inflammatory tirade? Sure, some generalizations were made but I don't think the reaction was warranted.
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Let's try to keep things civilized.
Do we have to? These are always the best threads!
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Chip on shoulder extraordinaire :o
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Seems to me that you have to be a self-loathing Brit to get anywhere in politics or the media.
The only thing I think you accurately described is the tacky scum type, that's a growing problem as they get paid to breed.
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Love it!
Bpanther you're just as delusional and insecure as the very person you're attacking. Seething with white hatred. Given the fact you almost certainly browse sluthate and are also on a jaw surgery forum I'm gonna go ahead and say you're not much of a looker yourself. Especially being Arab. An 'incel' perhaps? Stay safe in Australia though. I hear they're getting pretty fed up with the Muslims and there might be another Cronulla Riot type thing going down. Maybe you can use all your imaginary white girlfriends as human shields? ;D
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Please read my earlier posts. I said I was white. I'm aussie/slavic, not arabic. And I don't know what the hell 'sluthate' is. I'm just a 19 year old student with an overbite, which is why I'm on this forum so I can talk to other people with the same issue and get some advice. I'm pretty confident about the way I look - thanks.
I never said I hate white people. How the hell can I hate myself lol? I hate BRITISH people, especially the pompous ones. And about Australia... I don't know what you've heard from the media, but the whole racism issue here has been overblown. Australia is more diverse and accepting than most places in the world, certainly more so than the UK. Come and visit sometime. It's quite lovely AND civilised. We don't go around rioting like the EDL retards in the UK or bashing people up because of their religion. Besides, I'm an atheist, and if I were like you guys, I'd rather lump Christians, Muslims and Jews into one category and hate them all equally instead of nitpicking and bashing a certain group because I'm not a prejudiced asshole.
Mhm sure sure. I believe you :)
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...because I'm not a prejudiced asshole.
*Sniggers*
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I'm half British myself and I'd say the brits are a pretty ugly bunch and often have a weak bone structure. However, I think quite a lot of Northern Europeans are not especially attractive, not just British (after all we are a mix of celts, germans, french and dutch with a touch of viking) There is also the issue of plain colouring which makes people look uglier - here in the Middle East a lot of people look striking and attractive and in part it's features but also strong eyebrows, long eyelashes and dark hair and eyes play a part
I don't know what it is - genetics? My diet was good and I still have a small lower jaw. If you look at Iranians, a lot of them have really strong gonial angles...is it because there is some asian (mongol) blood from the Ghengis Khan? Living in a very mixed place, as well as British and some Northern Europeans, I also see a lot of Indians with poor bone structure, whereas some Pakistanis (especially northerners and pashtuns) have much more defined faces.
Brits do not have bad teeth, it's just that they 'got into' orthodontics later than Americans did
Don't forget that this is also an English language forum
Also I think Americans are more likely to get jaw surgery when they're teenagers. When I was a teen, jaw surgery in the UK on the NHS was very rare, but I was told that now it's more common. So there are quite a number of Brits with bite issues that had orthodontic work when they needed surgery
Late post, but you kidding? I live in the UK and there are tons of incredibly good looking people here. I've lived in a large middle-eastern immigrant community and there is no way they are more attractive than native Brits or other northern Europeans. They have weaker chins and jaws in general, less developed cheekbones, less refined noses and a very high proportion of them have deformities which are rare among Europeans. I suspect some of this is the result of inbreeding within middle-eastern communities, since a large proportion of them marry their cousins. This isn't just my opinion, either. It's supported by academic studies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage
"The BBC also states that Pakistani-Britons, who account for some 3% of all births in the UK, produce "just under a third" of all British children with genetic illnesses."
There's just no way that your typical Iranians are better looking than your typical Brits. There's a reason Europeans are stereotyped as good-looking all over the world - especially in the middle-east. Most of their film stars look European, right down to many of them having blue/green eyes.
These are just random pictures of Iranians and northern Europeans plucked off google.
Iranians
(http://global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/fn-latino/news/Iranian%20military.jpg)
(http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20140312/354418_Iran-Austria-Ashton.jpg)
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45944000/jpg/_45944216_crowds_afp.jpg)
(http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/u/TvyamNb-BivtNwcoxtkc5xGBuGkIMh_nj4UJHQKuorcor4e8zezbRoqS4tB2jrFGmezUFQGzxEUbSQ/)
Northern Europeans
(http://www.kyivpost.com/media/images/2012/06/25/p170gdumfl19qn1clhllipv21nb54/big.jpg)
(http://www.thechinawatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/560.jpg)
(http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4072868-3x2-940x627.jpg)
(http://nimg.sulekha.com/entertainment/original700/denmark-roskilde-festival-2011-7-2-7-10-39.jpg)
The reason there are so many people from the UK on this forum is because the British tend to be self-conscious and lacking in confidence. Not because they have unusually weak chins. Most Brits have strong chins.