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General Category => Aesthetics => Topic started by: Lazlo on June 19, 2015, 11:03:52 AM
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Okay,
I need a morph. I need to see if it's worth it to do some of the more invasive things, if they'll even make a difference. I need someone who is both good at whatever software they use
but also has a decent knowledge of anatomy and surgery.
I need to present my surgeon with a pic showing him what I want and if it's achievable.
So who can do this? And who will do this for me?
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well don't all of you jump up to help me! Get on this now!
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I'm decent at photoshop, not sure how my skills are compared to the guys from sluthate.
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sluthate is full of idiots
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lol the sluthate part was a joke since I just assumed those kids over there are all nerds on their computers all the time so they'd be like pros at this s**t. I want the best morpher out there but someone who does realistic morphs, something I could realistically show the docs.
Come on, I help you guys so much with my inspiration and generosity. It's time to give back baby!
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You'll want MissJ.
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i have the same problemsa really.
it's like 3 months im searching arounf for someone coan help me with morph who can also have an "aesthetich sense"
who is missj? who can i find him\her?
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Not to rain on your parade, but my morph that was done by my surgeon's office's software was completely off. Imagine when it's some guy playing around on photoshop.
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missjfacialplasticsurgery.com
is this the forum?
i cant register in
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Not to rain on your parade, but my morph that was done by my surgeon's office's software was completely off. Imagine when it's some guy playing around on photoshop.
Morphs help to understand the aesthetic impact operations COULD HAVE.
For example, should one build up the radix or shave down the dorsal hump? A morph can easily demonstrate the impact of either option and allow one to make a more informed decision.
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show me example of morph
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show me example of morph
The most impressive morph I've seen:
(http://i.imgur.com/EiXLvGs.jpg)
I've got a plastic surgery app on my phone that's great for morphing side profiles (noses, Chins etc).
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I can do it, but I need decent resolution images. Like 2000px minimum. PM me
However I don't think any morph can really give an accurate idea of what things look post surgery. A vague idea perhaps but I would caution against going into surgery expecting to come out like the morph
Also, things can look way different in still photos than in real life.
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The most impressive morph I've seen:
(http://i.imgur.com/EiXLvGs.jpg)
I've got a plastic surgery app on my phone that's great for morphing side profiles (noses, Chins etc).
Any idea of who did that morph?
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Any idea of who did that morph?
Honestly in PS this would just take a couple of minutes. Shape changes like this take seconds. The recolouring of the skin/eyes/lips probably took longer
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what gives you that morph ? the surgery outcome on soft tissue are not so predictible .
You are going to show that picture to our surgery saying "I want this face" ? :)
what is the point ? how it can be helpful ? I Wonder..
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what gives you that morph ? the surgery outcome on soft tissue are not so predictible .
You are going to show that picture to our surgery saying "I want this face" ? :)
what is the point ? how it can be helpful ? I Wonder..
Well obviously, that morph is completely unattainable. There are far too many changes, and even with numerous surgeries, you wouldn't look that good.
The purpose of morphs like that is purely to show how altering certain features, like jaw structure, colouration, eye height etc can have large effects on the overall aesthetic of a face.
In surgery terms, I guess someone could approach an aesthetic surgeon and express there desire to get a similar jawline or chin shape to the morph, which wouldn't be nearly as far fetched.
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Your surgeon should be able to do the morphs for you based on what you want. If he can't then I wouldn't even be thinking about doing the surgery with him
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Most of this should (theoretically) be achievable through surgery. Note how big of a difference his eyes being a few mm further apart in the "after" makes. Eye spacing is certainly crucial.
I suppose that the length of the philtrum and nose shape/height would be the most difficult to change into something as aesthetic as predicted by the morph.
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Most of this should (theoretically) be achievable through surgery. Note how big of a difference his eyes being a few mm further apart in the "after" makes. Eye spacing is certainly crucial.
I suppose that the length of the philtrum and nose shape/height would be the most difficult to change into something as aesthetic as predicted by the morph.
man yeah you definitely nailed it. Eye shape and width, etc. etc. Who did this morph I'm gonna shave and stuff and ask one of you to make a morph of me like this.
Just make me friggin GORGEOUS. Who can do a morph like this? Speak now, and have the honor of seeing my face.
Guillaume, you'll be fine. You're pretty good looking/conventionally handsome now post-jaw surgery.
You're clearly socially retarded (a lot of people are). For example, I'm way uglier than you pre- or post jaw surgery and I've had true love in my life, relationships etc. but it's all been cause I really developed my personality like one would develop a muscle: practice, tons of failure and you know a bit of luck. Anyway, back on track to project Lazlo will becom HOT!!!
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What do you think gave him the most improvement in that morph, the eye area and nose or the jaw? I actually thing the eye area gave him the biggest boost.
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widening and changing the shape of the eyes, the gonial angle and the philtrum shortening. eyes and philtrum are impossible to do.
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eyes and philtrum are impossible to do.
Are you sure about that? I would say very difficult rather than impossible. There are studies that suggest that pupillary distance may increase very slightly throughout one's 30s and 40s. It might just be a matter, then, of being able to channel this particular growth, just as one may remodel bones in general.
There is of course also the osteotomical route to wider-set eyes, and though it is currently deemed "unethical" to perform such procedures on people who do not qualify for the arbitrarily established criteria of "facial deformity", it should by no means be undoable. I have seen people go from grossly deformed to more or less "normal" with this kind of procedure. Symmetry (or rather the lack thereof) seems to have been no issue.
...then again, imagine if anyone actually spent time and (real) money researching this stuff. I bet it would be possible to safely modify eye spacing within a fortnight.
However, our masters would rather keep developing increasingly terrifying ways to kill people.
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widening and changing the shape of the eyes, the gonial angle and the philtrum shortening. eyes and philtrum are impossible to do.
Lip lift - there are some good results even for men.
Outer canthus can be lifted up to 2 mm. Have not seen any results. But most oculoplastic surgery seems to be performed for rejuvenation purposes. Most PS seems to be good for rejuvenation mainly.
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Lip lift - there are some good results even for men.
Outer canthus can be lifted up to 2 mm. Have not seen any results. But most oculoplastic surgery seems to be performed for rejuvenation purposes. Most PS seems to be good for rejuvenation mainly.
In my case the outer canthi are much higher than the inner canthi, making my eyes look "Asian" (or so some have claimed) and at any rate feminine (most good-looking men have "straight" eyes if that makes sense). Would it be possible to lower and perhaps slightly extend on the horizontal plane this part of the eye? Unfortunately I suspect that, for horizontal elongation to be made, the eyeball would have to be somewhat larger as well.
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In my case the outer canthi are much higher than the inner canthi, making my eyes look "Asian" (or so some have claimed) and at any rate feminine (most good-looking men have "straight" eyes if that makes sense). Would it be possible to lower and perhaps slightly extend on the horizontal plane this part of the eye? Unfortunately I suspect that, for horizontal elongation to be made, the eyeball would have to be somewhat larger as well.
Great. Next thing you'll be asking for surgery to make you shorter.
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Lip lift - there are some good results even for men.
Outer canthus can be lifted up to 2 mm. Have not seen any results. But most oculoplastic surgery seems to be performed for rejuvenation purposes. Most PS seems to be good for rejuvenation mainly.
it's done quite often as part of facial feminisation surgery
There is a doctor that does an extreme anti-aging set of procedures called the "mag 5" which includes quite an agressive canthopexy. The results are striking but far from natural
Here are some eyelid surgeries including some canthopexies -
http://www.ceydeli.com/panama-city-before-after-photos/eyelid-surgery/ (http://www.ceydeli.com/panama-city-before-after-photos/eyelid-surgery/)
http://www.flowersclinic.com/galleryThumb.asp?category=17 (http://www.flowersclinic.com/galleryThumb.asp?category=17)
Flowers also does "orbital rim ostectomy", whatever that is
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What do you think gave him the most improvement in that morph, the eye area and nose or the jaw? I actually thing the eye area gave him the biggest boost.
Eye area, philtrum and general skin/lip colouration for me.
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I"M GONNA BE HOT ONCE ALL THESE SURGERIES ARE DON!!!! !!
HAAAAAAAAWWWWWTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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They're gonna name a hurricane after you Lazlo. ;D
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I can do it, but I need decent resolution images. Like 2000px minimum. PM me
However I don't think any morph can really give an accurate idea of what things look post surgery. A vague idea perhaps but I would caution against going into surgery expecting to come out like the morph
Also, things can look way different in still photos than in real life.
Tiny I need your help. Tell me how to take the pictures. I'm assuming I need a real camera? Not like phone pics. If you have any tips let me know. Just front and profile and 3/4? What sort of background? I guess I should shave my facial hair too.
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I had professional pictures taken by my orthodontist before and after the surgery. Try asking your orthodontist perhaps?
(http://i.imgur.com/i1u3sqq.gif)
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Tiny I need your help. Tell me how to take the pictures. I'm assuming I need a real camera? Not like phone pics. If you have any tips let me know. Just front and profile and 3/4? What sort of background? I guess I should shave my facial hair too.
You can use a phone just make sure there is enough distance between the lens and you ie. not a selfie. Otherwise there will be some lens distortion; also don't fill the entire frame with your face as the edge of the frame is often stretched in phone cameras.
If you use a phone, remember to upload at maximum resolution
Make sure there is face on lighting, not side or overhead.
Background doesn't really matter because I can 'shop it out but if you can, take it against a blank wall
Yes, shave or trim closely
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Thanks I'll be sending you picks soon. you're a very kind person.
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Did you get my PM?
Lazlo I can do good morphs btw
I did sorry to not respond I'll send you pics too. Man I'm just so depressed over all this right now. Specifically cause my teeth are wrecked, gum recession and black triangles. Who cares if the teeth are straight when all that is f**ked up.
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@lazlo - black triangles as in the corner of your mouth?
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@lazlo - black triangles as in the corner of your mouth?
no between the teeth, i dunno if it's cause i had bicuspids extracted but the interdental papilla (look it up) which is the pink gum flesh that lies between the teeth has become so recessed that it's left little black spaces between all my teeth. It's horrible, food gets wedged there they feel weird, and there's no way to solve it. Mine aren't as bad as this, but i have these spaces between the teeth too.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=black+triangles+between+teeth&biw=1120&bih=538&tbm=isch&imgil=WLi1ihaZ8M8KZM%253A%253BC1CuDIodoGqOKM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.oralhealthgroup.com%25252Fnews%25252Ftreating-the-dreaded-black-triangle%25252F1002990029%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=WLi1ihaZ8M8KZM%253A%252CC1CuDIodoGqOKM%252C_&usg=__vaE9_4tvSmXS1E-Mxqx9FWsT9i0%3D&ved=0CC0QyjdqFQoTCIKQg4uk48YCFQpWHgodBPUJvw&ei=v4qpVcK0H4qseYTqp_gL#imgrc=WLi1ihaZ8M8KZM%3A&usg=__vaE9_4tvSmXS1E-Mxqx9FWsT9i0%3D
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I have them too, alas. This is almost expected with adult orthodontics, where the teeth are crowded.
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I have them too, alas. This is almost expected with adult orthodontics, where the teeth are crowded.
Did you have extractions plosko? I mean bicuspid extractions? I believe this is caused by the braces and the stress they place on the teeth and gums. In fact I know it iis.
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Did you have extractions plosko? I mean bicuspid extractions? I believe this is caused by the braces and the stress they place on the teeth and gums. In fact I know it iis.
No. TBH, I think I got off braces lightly.
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There has to be an eventual solution to this it's ridiculous.
They say that it's cause by three factors. The shape of the teeth.1) I.e. the teeth taper from the interproximal contact point. 2) the level of the alveolar bone height. Healthy teeth have strong bone between them that support the triangular spike of gum between teeth and 3) the distance between the roots. Number 3 is f**ked up if you have bicuspid extraction because there's too much space between the teeth and bone is lost due to stress of braces.
But there seems some controversy of using dermal fillers. I can't have the contact points because that will make the arches even smaller and more constricted.
My only hope are dermal fillers which I've heard in other cases can stimulate more collagen. Perhaps combined with the new ultrasound devices --wearing them 30 minutes two to three times a day to stimulate new bone growth? I don't know....
http://www.realself.com/question/black-triangle-solution
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I had even worse than bicuspids out - I had 4 molar extractions. I don't have black triangles because despite the molar extractions there still ins't enough space in my lower jaw to fit my teeth!! Some of my teeth are turned sideways to fit - and that's despite my incisors being pushed out right to the maxiumum! Hate to think what it did to the aesthetics of my face though. :o Dunno what they're going to do when I go into braces... how can they straighten out and pull in my lower teeth inwhen there simply isn't enough physical space? f**k knows...
Lazlo -
http://www.dentistrytoday.com/restorative/6800-qthe-mother-of-all-black-trianglesq-case (http://www.dentistrytoday.com/restorative/6800-qthe-mother-of-all-black-trianglesq-case)
Chin up, hun
Also, maybe wilkodontics could help your aveolar bone situation?
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I had even worse than bicuspids out - I had 4 molar extractions. I don't have black triangles because despite the molar extractions there still ins't enough space in my lower jaw to fit my teeth!! Some of my teeth are turned sideways to fit - and that's despite my incisors being pushed out right to the maxiumum! Hate to think what it did to the aesthetics of my face though. :o Dunno what they're going to do when I go into braces... how can they straighten out and pull in my lower teeth inwhen there simply isn't enough physical space? f**k knows...
Lazlo -
http://www.dentistrytoday.com/restorative/6800-qthe-mother-of-all-black-trianglesq-case (http://www.dentistrytoday.com/restorative/6800-qthe-mother-of-all-black-trianglesq-case)
Chin up, hun
Also, maybe wilkodontics could help your aveolar bone situation?
oh wow tiny. ugh i don't lik that dentistry today solution, it looks too fake and freaky. But I'm sure there will be or already is a solution if i find someone who does fillers and stuff. I just can never get those arches back to what they were before the bicuspids were taken out.
Anyway I've decided to get really hardcore back into ashtanga yoga. I'm fat as f**k and I have to get ready to face surgery in mid/late september so I should get fit and take care of my mind.
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I'm fat as f**k and I have to get ready to face surgery in mid/late september so I should get fit and take care of my mind.
Did you come off paleo?
Personally I find yoga soooo boring...would rather pump iron ;D
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I'm in the process of revamping my life, getting back on strict paleo (but without fruits, basically the timothy ferris weightloss protocol). And back to strict yoga and meditation daily, like Russell simmons.
Also I want to emphasize here, my views are changing. True beauty is something I'm committed to achieving no matter what. Whatever it takes however f**king excessive the operation is I'm doing it. BEAUTY!!!
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yup
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There is a way to get these black spaces filled in agian with gum tissue. Theres a new method thats proving to be effective.
yeah brooklyn's own and what is it?? I'm not talking about bonding or whatever...
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WTF Brooklyn, answer the question I need to fill in black spaces.
Just looking at hair stuff and saw this dude. Wow, talk about beautiful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DHTALp0foI
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If I looked like that dude I would just chill, drink, do drugs, read books and watch movies and let the whole f**king world just come to me.
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I've got lots of friends who I think are better looking than that guy.
But yes, life would be so much more interesting if you are really good looking!
I think I can go from a 6 or so to an 7.5, but i'm still unsure of the way to go about it.
I'm getting closer to doing something about it.
I decided that it's pointless thinking about it too much and torturing yourself without the means to do something which is what i've been doing, so i'm currently just saving money, and when I have, say, 20k GBP, i'll start seeing specialists.
I think I likely need jaw surgery to move the jaws forward, but I wonder whether I can get some good improvement with something less invasive considering I can make myself look so much better by 'pouting' ever so slightly or by lifting the tissue around my cheeks upwards (again, ever-so-slightly)
(say maybe a mixture of damon braces, some sort of adult palette expansion and maybe a chin wing or something as oposed to full on double jaw surgery?) I don't know.
I have a big nose, too, although I'm not actually overly concerned about that.
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I mean a lot of guy who are considered "good looking" i think are just straight up douches. Like you the type the men's fitness models.
tHe most attractive thing in the world is kindness, compassion and a good sense of humour. I mean that chris pratt guy, he seems kind which is what makes him attractive. blah blah to the other stuff, he's kind and he's funny.
most of you dudes except for GJ, me, and plosko (sorry I don't know the rest too well) are actually kind and compassionate dudes, the rest of you are f**king full blown psychotic narcissists or just hardcase newbies.
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I guess getting Jaw Surgery is the next evolution of pick up
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guys, most of you can make yourself decently hot by getting in shape so stop wasting time on the internet circle jerk and go find some metal to lift. Come on, honestly, there are tons of ugly guys who get a good amount of p*ssy just cos they're reasonably buff
That hair dude is OK, a little girly IMO, but this guy is legit beautiful. Honestly I wonder what it's like to have a face like that
(http://image.thefashionisto.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Douglas-Booth-InStyle-Shoot-001-800x1087.jpg)
(it's Douglas Booth)
Most of the guys who come on here saying how unattractive they are are actually average to decent looking dudes
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^i wish that was my case
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brandon stop repeating yourself man, everyone here knows they wont become a 10/10 after jaw surgery....
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I'm aiming for 9/10. Otherwise what's that point of engaging in the most invasive and dangerous surgeries around tri-max with chin widening, zsso, orbital rim advancement, otoplasty, nose job. If I don't look significantly better, next step DNA splice richard gere grow a clone through GH injections and face transplant the motherf**ker.
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yes, to look like a human, not to look like a male model.
to look like 8, you're demanding that you jump into top less than 10% of male population. to look like 9 you're demanding to jump into less than 1% of male population. To look like 10, well, that's very, very rare. from what i saw, max. jump is 1.5-2 pts, highly depending what's your original (underlying) attractiveness level and what's the the severity of deformity (how many minus pts you get). So if you are a 6, but your deformity brings you down to a 4, then you can max. fix yourself to became nearly 6. However, you can not go over that value without having unnatural, fake and plastic look. You can't cheat genes.
And how do you know that?
I had a consultation with Dr. Zarrinbal in Berlin, he showed me a case of a guy who had BSSO + Lefort I + ZO + Chin Wing. He became an 8 and before he was a 5 (subjectively). He neither looked unnatural, plastic of whatever. The before picture of him was indeed after BSSO + Lefort I so yeah those two alone won't make you great looking. But I guess everyone here knows that, since everybody is searching for additional procedures to enhance other features.
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Bone cutting procedures will never look fake/unnatural even if they go horrifically wrong at least it will look like you were BORN that way.
Regardless of the starting point, adding definition to a face that is lacking it (cheekbones, jaws, jawline, brow bone, nose bridge, chin) will always increase attractiveness.
Unfortunately no one can ever be truly good looking without an attractive eye shape.
I met a man for lunch who had practically no definition apart from an alright chin, but his eyes were like the actor Kyle Chandler's well actually no that sort of shape but better, the same hoodedness and aegyo sal but his irises were as blue as the Cyprus sea.
EYES
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Phantom congrats, someone has sourced some quality product for you.
Being sober, I can tell you that Kyle Chandler looks like someone you would want to f**k, where as this guy you posted looks like a serial killer and that's largely due to the eyes I think.
Yeh Chandler has farmer Giles potato face but those eyes ohh, and your defence is THIS guy?
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yeah what the hell are you talking about phantom, that david la haye guy is freaky. And Kyle Chandler, come on he's a dad. I don't choose either. f**k that. And yeah are you on uppers or something? Shut the f**k up.
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nah.. surgery ?
better to exercise facial expression
look: before / after
(http://eselcine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/jim-carrey-foto.jpg)
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Calm down it was only a test I dont like the freak neither. but you have not read the gag.... its so funny :D
yeah you're a regular steve martin....
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LOL sober you ? you cant when doing surgery by sailer.
8) Say that to me when you can afford him and I might take you seriously.
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And Kyle Chandler, come on he's a dad. I don't choose either. f**k that.
Yes but he's a well established DILF seriously google it and becoming a DILF is actually a higher achievement to reach than being a teen heartthrob imo.
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Pics by any chance please?
it sounds awesome. Up to an 8, man, I'd settle for 8.5, but you know I'm gonna do a ton of bodybuilding to perfect my physique.
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How did I end up here? Haha anyways, how did the morph you got compare to your actual surgical results Lazlo?
While I'm at it, is photoshop basically the best way for the layman to attempt a morph of jaw surgery?
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there are some labs that will do this for you based on your ct plus a high res scan of your max and man, am currently looking into this, but it wont be cheap, this is the simliar type of process your doc would use. The advange vs PowerPoint is that this Software will only allow you to make adjustments that are within the bounds of what can be medically achieved, plus it takes into account the interdependence of the differente moved structures. again, that is the theory, i am waiting for my model to be scanned in order to get this done
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there are some labs that will do this for you based on your ct plus a high res scan of your max and man, am currently looking into this, but it wont be cheap, this is the simliar type of process your doc would use. The advange vs PowerPoint is that this Software will only allow you to make adjustments that are within the bounds of what can be medically achieved, plus it takes into account the interdependence of the differente moved structures. again, that is the theory, i am waiting for my model to be scanned in order to get this done
wow keep us upto date on this exciting!
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Phantom congrats, someone has sourced some quality product for you.
Being sober, I can tell you that Kyle Chandler looks like someone you would want to f**k, where as this guy you posted looks like a serial killer and that's largely due to the eyes I think.
Yeh Chandler has farmer Giles potato face but those eyes ohh, and your defence is THIS guy?
ahahahha yeah wtf i dont get this
kyle chandler is a good looking man and was probably very good looking as young man,
the other guy is odd.
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@lazlo - will do. i Need to have my jaw models professionally scanned first, which is a bottle neck as i dont know yet how to get that done. check your Messages btw i sent you a pm
i have come across another guy, seems like a one man shop so could cheaper, and all he Needs are your scans so i will try to use him first.
http://bonaforma.com/bonaforma_flyer.pdf
the good Thing about him is you can tell him what your Goal is, and he will figure out how much is possible via bimax / gne, and if you Need implants to get there