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Surgeon Information => Surgeon Reviews and Leads => Topic started by: marcolob on January 09, 2014, 02:17:18 PM
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has anyone gone with Piet Haers? He is president of the IAMFS
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Professor Haers was Editor in Chief of the International Journal of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery (1999 ? 2011) and member of the Executive Committee of the International Association of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons. He was elected as President-Elect of IAOMS in November 2011 and will be President in 2014 ? 2015.
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I've heard of him, does he work with Paul Johnson?
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haha i just cut and paste that obviously. too lazy to type. i saw him tonight. he seemed awesome, but why has no one mentioned him on here?
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here's my question tho... he was just as impressive to talk to as gunson when i went to santa barbara... why is one so famous and the other not? does fame reflect in the quality of surgery?
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You can't judge the quality of a surgeon from just talking to him.
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I've heard of him, does he work with Paul Johnson?
no i don't think he does.. or maybe he does. he seemed scientific and intelligent to me when i met him. i was also impressed that he said he does high lefort 1s and he traced with his finger on my face where he would do the cuts, right up on my cheekbone, he said "just below the nerve" i don't know what nerve he meant, but having done 2,000 or so i feel i can put my skull/face/jaws in his hands and feel safe. he also said he would do a zygomatic widening on me. one thing which irked me is that he will refuse to treat me if i put braces on without him having consulted the orthodontist and yet i had an appointment later this month to finally get them on. he said he is "difficult" and must oversee the dental movement stage. he said once braces are on "you are in a dynamic phase and you have immediately upset the delicate balance of the bite, although there is a malocclusion, it is at least stable, and if your orthodontist is not clear on where they are going, this is not advisable..." something like that. so yeah, i have to wait till my phone call with schendel to decide if i go with schendel or haers.
i'm also starting to think some surgeons get bigged up way past what they are worth. this guy does not really advertise but he is president of the international association of oral and maxillofacial surgeons... that has got to mean something right? and he said henri thuau, for example, was one of his students back in the day. yet everyone knows thuau and no one knows haers. he mentioned thuau cause i told him that he doesn't do ccwr. when i showed him my plan from gunson he said he can replicate the movements but will not use hydroxyapatite and instead do a higher lefort 1. he also disagreed that i need suborbital rim augmentation. he said that he did not know gunson personally, but that he knows "bill" arnett well, [apparently they went for a beer together at a symposium in barcelona aha]. he wasn't even name dropping, i kept asking him if he knew these other surgeons personally. ultimately, i think it is true that "passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available" and often on these forums it is speculation and pseudoscientific guesswork from laypersons that drives hsyteria about which surgeon is "best". talent comes into it, but i'm starting to question how much is "real information".
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Thuau is older than him, how could he be one of his students?
Interesting account, thanks. He does seem like he actually gives a s**t which is refreshing. I actually like how picky he's being about the braces and bite, that level of micro management can only be a good thing in this kind of field.
I'm tempted to book a consult myself now. Where did you see him, marco?
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Thuau is older than him, how could he be one of his students?
Interesting account, thanks. He does seem like he actually gives a s**t which is refreshing. I actually like how picky he's being about the braces and bite, that level of micro management can only be a good thing in this kind of field.
I'm tempted to book a consult myself now. Where did you see him, marco?
i saw him at london bridge hospital... a fancy private place right by the shard. go see him. you will like him.
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i saw him at london bridge hospital... a fancy private place right by the shard. go see him. you will like him.
It can't hurt. Did he show you any examples of his work?
I've just had a look, it seems The Royal County is one of his hospitals, same as PJ, must be where I knew the name from.
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You won't believe this but Haers is actually a former student of Sailer's. Yes, the president of the IAMFS was taught by Sailer.
http://www.londonbridgehospital.com/LBH/consultant-det/professor-piet-haers/ (http://www.londonbridgehospital.com/LBH/consultant-det/professor-piet-haers/)
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By the way, he did this guy's surgery. Not bad work.
(http://s23.postimg.org/5hu1fscp7/image.jpg)
(http://s24.postimg.org/p71nx9xlx/k2max_down_4mm_forward_8_mandible_7mm.jpg)
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Thank f**k he doesn't share Sailer's aesthetics!
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Thank f**k he doesn't share Sailer's aesthetics!
Newbie here.. who dafuq is sailer? Is he infamous or something? Also is that pic one of haers' patients?
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By the way, he did this guy's surgery. Not bad work.
He still has a badly recessed lower lip and a deep sublabial fold?!
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Newbie here.. who dafuq is sailer? Is he infamous or something? Also is that pic one of haers' patients?
The ante-face!
Beauty & Success with the Help of a Reverse Facelift (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K62MdksqAys#ws)
FWIW, Gunson & Arnett also say that the new beauty standard is a bi-projected face. But then I read a Mexican paper where dental students were asked to evaluate a bunch of faces and euro profiles (recessed) were deemed more beautiful vs mexican profiles (protruded). Maybe Sailer and G&A have a taste for the exotic.
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He still has a badly recessed lower lip and a deep sublabial fold?!
The lower jaw could be further forward. I think it was because the maxilla was brought down that the lower jaw doesn't look quite as strong as it should.
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You won't believe this but Haers is actually a former student of Sailer's. Yes, the president of the IAMFS was taught by Sailer.
http://www.londonbridgehospital.com/LBH/consultant-det/professor-piet-haers/ (http://www.londonbridgehospital.com/LBH/consultant-det/professor-piet-haers/)
Taught by a bit of a (and im basing this off that video) weirdo/quack.... fantastic. Doubt instilled in yet another surgeon.
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The lower jaw could be further forward. I think it was because the maxilla was brought down that the lower jaw doesn't look quite as strong as it should.
Before my bsso i looked like he does after his surgery :o
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Taught by a bit of a (and im basing this off that video) weirdo/quack.... fantastic. Doubt instilled in yet another surgeon.
LOL, dropping like flies aren't they.
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The lips don't look balanced in my opinion. I'd rather have a protruding upper lip than lower lip but it still looks far from perfect.
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The lips don't look balanced in my opinion. I'd rather have a protruding upper lip than lower lip but it still looks far from perfect.
Not enough projection on both jaws. Ante-face is where it's at.
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Not enough projection on both jaws. Ante-face is where it's at.
i agree ante-face is where it's at. IF you could achieve the sailer look on jaws without his s**tty nose-jobs (his nose-jobs are s**t) and the s**tty lyo-cartilege he puts on the cheekbones you'd have awesoem results. on one of the other threads the work he did on that woman is nothing short of astounding. gave her a new life with that strong chiselled jawbone.
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Mommaerts published a paper on ante-face recently, it's on his website, surprised it's not mentioned here. Ante-face is legit, but sailer overdoes it with his patients and tends to give them hyper ante-face. Which is why IMO they look strange.
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I couldn't find it on his website. Do you have a link to it?
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Sure
http://www.mauricemommaerts.eu/files/PDF/634977779913771600.pdf (http://www.mauricemommaerts.eu/files/PDF/634977779913771600.pdf)
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I've seen that article before, interesting.
I see quite a lot of ante-faces in Belgium and France but it's very rare in England.
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That's why it's so important to see how the surgeon behaves when everything does not turn out perfectly.
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That's why it's so important to see how the surgeon behaves when everything does not turn out perfectly.
Amen to that!
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By the way, he did this guy's surgery. Not bad work.
(http://s23.postimg.org/5hu1fscp7/image.jpg)
(http://s24.postimg.org/p71nx9xlx/k2max_down_4mm_forward_8_mandible_7mm.jpg)
Where did u find this?
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Hi guys,
Did anyone go ahead with surgery with Piet Haers or have any more info on him? I have seen him for 2 consults now and he is a good guy, made me feel at ease and easy to talk to. BUT he is getting older and I wonder if I should choose a younger surgeon for monitoring any issues down the line.
Would you recommend any other surgeons in the UK/Europe over Haers?
Cheers