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General Category => Emotional Support => Topic started by: RedLips on May 02, 2016, 06:45:40 AM
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I'm scheduling my surgery for July 2017. The thing is that I'm really scared. It's a big surgery, and I'm worried that it'll either be botched or that it won't achieve the results I'm looking for. I'm mainly concerned about my long midface.
I've been told that there's nothing wrong with how I look, but low ratings on my appearance on Reddit AND a guy who found me repulsive AND guys who rejected me after seeing my face more clearly AND the few friends/guys I dated who told me my face is "cute, though not beautiful" to make me feel better tell me otherwise. When I posted photos to Reddit, though, I had mostly edited the face length already.
So is it not just that? Is it my long philtrum? Are my eyes too close together? Is my nose too bumpy? Are my eyebrows too weird? I'm trying hard to fix things.
Sometimes I feel confident about my looks, especially after everything I've already done to improve them as best I can. I do get hit on a lot in the street (usually when I'm wearing sunglasses, though I feel like I wouldn't get as much attention if people could see my eyes.)
Sometimes I take what I consider decent pictures. Here's one after getting cheek fillers, chin fillers, chin botox, lip fillers, eyelash extensions, eyebrow shaping and dyeing, blond hair dyeing, hair extensions, a good filter, and slight editing: http://i.imgur.com/IlmagWE.jpg
And other days (with the SAME makeup and same changes) I look hideous like this: http://i.imgur.com/7q1mTTi.jpg
And I don't get it. Specific parts of my face are decent. It's just the composite that is unattractive. See?
Eyes (decent): http://i.imgur.com/Xe0nTZr.jpg
Lower half (uneven, but decent): http://i.imgur.com/SVLQair.jpg
So am I doomed? Is there anything I can do in addition to jaw surgery? Do I just accept that I'm not going to be able to fix this? After all, it's downhill from here. I'm going to be 25 soon, and I've already passed the prime of standard female attractiveness anyway.
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Couldn't even manage to read this entire post but one thing I'm certain is that you should not go into surgery expecting strictly aesthetic outcomes. It can only lead to some disappointment. Also if you have BDD you should ameliorate the issue with a psychologist before surgery because staring at yourself in the mirror definitely becomes more habitual after major surgery
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i will be %100 honest at this post. You were cute when you post old photos but at last photo u call ''hideous'' is bad.I think its cuz of hair. And u go jaw surgery for what? Im just checking ur jaw cant see anything bad. You are normal and mayve above avarage but you want to be have perfect midface i understand.I cant tell a surgery can worsen or give better results.
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i will be %100 honest at this post. You were cute when you post old photos but at last photo u call ''hideous'' is bad.I think its cuz of hair. And u go jaw surgery for what? Im just checking ur jaw cant see anything bad. You are normal and mayve above avarage but you want to be have perfect midface i understand.I cant tell a surgery can worsen or give better results.
So how to I fix it? What happened? What can I fix?
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i will be %100 honest at this post. You were cute when you post old photos but at last photo u call ''hideous'' is bad.I think its cuz of hair. And u go jaw surgery for what? Im just checking ur jaw cant see anything bad. You are normal and mayve above avarage but you want to be have perfect midface i understand.I cant tell a surgery can worsen or give better results.
I want to do the surgery to fix my midface length. But the goal is to look pretty/above average. I don't know how to achieve that result.
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Try cheek implants, fillers.
Just know that level of attractiveness is based off personality too! Read some books on it, it helps a lot. Try to improve yourself as you are.
What is the surgical plan?
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Try cheek implants, fillers.
Just know that level of attractiveness is based off personality too! Read some books on it, it helps a lot. Try to improve yourself as you are.
What is the surgical plan?
I already did cheek implants. Should I do more?
I do have a pretty good personality. I feel like I'm mostly just lacking in looks. I just want my face to look pretty. I don't know why it's so bad.
Right now the plan is to do a double jaw surgery summer 2017
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Hmm well based on my perspective you are surely attractive. My unbiased opinion as a quite good looking young 20s male.
Your occlusion seems fine--how would jaw surgery help?
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Hmm well based on my perspective you are surely attractive. My unbiased opinion as a quite good looking young 20s male.
Your occlusion seems fine--how would jaw surgery help?
Thank you. I had xrays and a projection done at a really good jaw surgeon's office, and honestly the "before and after" pictures looked almost the same. However, I do want to shorten the midface because that's always been my problem area. I have a bit of an overbite, but it's not extremely pronounced. For me, it's just that I hate my midface length and philtrum.
Sometimes I look decent in pictures (although, granted, this one has a filter and that helps): http://i.imgur.com/IlmagWE.jpg
And sometimes I look awful like this: http://i.imgur.com/j3RhAOl.jpg?1
So what gives? I went the cheek/chin/lip fillers route and I also got hair and eyelash extensions. I also got my eyebrows done professionally. So what's wrong and how can I fix it?
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Thank you. I had xrays and a projection done at a really good jaw surgeon's office, and honestly the "before and after" pictures looked almost the same. However, I do want to shorten the midface because that's always been my problem area. I have a bit of an overbite, but it's not extremely pronounced. For me, it's just that I hate my midface length and philtrum.
Sometimes I look decent in pictures (although, granted, this one has a filter and that helps): http://i.imgur.com/IlmagWE.jpg
And sometimes I look awful like this: http://i.imgur.com/j3RhAOl.jpg?1
So what gives? I went the cheek/chin/lip fillers route and I also got hair and eyelash extensions. I also got my eyebrows done professionally. So what's wrong and how can I fix it?
I think dye ur hair blond not orange. Live ur life u have no deformities. Everything good on your jaw. Your mid face is not bad but you focus it somuch. Tbh u are not model looking but u are already good and pretty. And jaw surgery fix jaw deformities which u have no.
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I think dye ur hair blond not orange. Live ur life u have no deformities. Everything good on your jaw. Your mid face is not bad but you focus it somuch. Tbh u are not model looking but u are already good and pretty. And jaw surgery fix jaw deformities which u have no.
I know I'm not model-looking, but I'd like to get as close as I possibly can. What can I do to fix my face? Would the jaw surgery help? I'd like to be pretty.
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Look redlips, jaw surgery is no joke. I'd say about 50% of us on this forum (including myself) have already had it.
It was most certainly not a pleasant experience and i'm cringing right now thinking about the recovery.
What thinking me said is quite right, maybe try a different hair color. Learn where to focus your eyes and posture in photos.
You already have cheek implants and it is possible those get moved around with all the swelling in surgery.
You're doing what I did with my chin after my genioplasty (i still do it sometimes, admittedly)--don't focus on just one section of the face (for me it was the chin) Mine came out a bit strong, but honestly whatever i'm over it.
You seem to have had your fair portion of plastics completed, and psychologically it is addictive! Watch out for this habit. Your face is your face, it is not meant to be manipulated when not needed to. An overbite is a generally attractive feature, so there's that.
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I think you are pretty already, and I feel strange giving advice to someone who is miles ahead of me. But I agree with the hair color - it is looking brassy and orange in those other pics. I think like you've mentioned before it makes you look pale / doesn't suit your skin tone. If you look at the pics that you do like, your hair looks more toned down and blonde in those.
But I also think you look REALLY good as a brunette.
So either go blonder (with a toner in too), or go back to darker.
I don't think there's anything wrong with your features, sorry it's probably not what you want to hear.
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I'll echo what a few others have said-- jaw surgery is no joke, and primarily it is not for aesthetics. There was a section in my surgeons consent forms that explicitly explain how soft tissue changes can not be predicted. In my experience going through this myself (twice!) and helping other patients out through it the last 3 years, there are times when not only do you not get much change in the aesthetics and soft tissue, but you may end up not liking the changes at all, especially the changes with the nose.
This is an incredibly risky and difficult procedure. When it goes badly, you risk being in a really bad place if you were doing this only for aesthetics. My opinion is that this surgery get reserved for only the most severe of cases. Cases where you are in so much pain, can't function, and have reached rock bottom and have nothing to lose by gambling on this surgery and it's associated risks. My advice to patients who are doing this for mostly aesthetics is to learn to love yourself first. Even if you go through with this. You need to be in a good place before proceeding, because if you are not, then that will continue even after the physical you is changed.
I think you are beautiful, but I know we are each our own worst critics and at the end of the day it matters how you feel.
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I'll echo what a few others have said-- jaw surgery is no joke, and primarily it is not for aesthetics. There was a section in my surgeons consent forms that explicitly explain how soft tissue changes can not be predicted. In my experience going through this myself (twice!) and helping other patients out through it the last 3 years, there are times when not only do you not get much change in the aesthetics and soft tissue, but you may end up not liking the changes at all, especially the changes with the nose.
This is an incredibly risky and difficult procedure. When it goes badly, you risk being in a really bad place if you were doing this only for aesthetics. My opinion is that this surgery get reserved for only the most severe of cases. Cases where you are in so much pain, can't function, and have reached rock bottom and have nothing to lose by gambling on this surgery and it's associated risks. My advice to patients who are doing this for mostly aesthetics is to learn to love yourself first. Even if you go through with this. You need to be in a good place before proceeding, because if you are not, then that will continue even after the physical you is changed.
I think you are beautiful, but I know we are each our own worst critics and at the end of the day it matters how you feel.
you are right. I just talked with a ortho total 2 hour or more. She said me ur soft tissue is really thick and she cant guess what happen after jaw surgery. And she recommended extract 4 premolar and make ur lips back. And she recommended to talk with a skillfull surgeon who can predict soft tissue. http://imgim.com/img_20151129_180115.jpg i think i need surgery %100 mailing gunson and some doctors %90of them agree i need surgery braces and extractions(mb). But there is risk i can get very bad result made me make slow and sure moves. U have already has good balance.
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You keep asking the forum if jaw surgery will shorten your midface. Didn't you ask the surgeon you consulted with this question since it is your main goal? You should be very upfront with your surgeon about your hopes/expectations or you risk being doubly disappointed.
Imho, you will not achieve what you are seeking with jaw surgery. It may shorten the skeletal distance between your nose and mouth with impaction but then you will probably end up with soft tissue issues that can't be 100% resolved with other nip/tuck procedures. I wish I understood the anatomy of a long midface because I have unattractive proportions, much much worse than yours. I guess it depends on nose length but many women with longer noses are still gorgeous. So, idk.
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i will be %100 honest at this post. You were cute when you post old photos but at last photo u call ''hideous'' is bad.I think its cuz of hair. And u go jaw surgery for what? Im just checking ur jaw cant see anything bad. You are normal and mayve above avarage but you want to be have perfect midface i understand.I cant tell a surgery can worsen or give better results.
How is that pic of her "hideous" and how is it "bad". She has beautiful eyes, her nose is perfect and cute and has absolutely no lumps or bumps like she said it does. I personally dont like the blond hair or the sunglasses but I wouldn't say that makes her look "bad". Bad should be reserved for people who unfortunately are just generally unattractive. She is clearly an attractive girl who looks better in some pictures than she does in others but that doesn't necessarily mean they are "bad" looking. We all look better in some picture than others.
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You keep asking the forum if jaw surgery will shorten your midface. Didn't you ask the surgeon you consulted with this question since it is your main goal? You should be very upfront with your surgeon about your hopes/expectations or you risk being doubly disappointed.
Imho, you will not achieve what you are seeking with jaw surgery. It may shorten the skeletal distance between your nose and mouth with impaction but then you will probably end up with soft tissue issues that can't be 100% resolved with other nip/tuck procedures. I wish I understood the anatomy of a long midface because I have unattractive proportions, much much worse than yours. I guess it depends on nose length but many women with longer noses are still gorgeous. So, idk.
Wouldn't SARPE stretch your lips horizontally thus making the philtrum shorter?
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Wouldn't SARPE stretch your lips horizontally thus making the philtrum shorter?
I need to ask about SARPE, thanks
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I'll echo what a few others have said-- jaw surgery is no joke, and primarily it is not for aesthetics. There was a section in my surgeons consent forms that explicitly explain how soft tissue changes can not be predicted. In my experience going through this myself (twice!) and helping other patients out through it the last 3 years, there are times when not only do you not get much change in the aesthetics and soft tissue, but you may end up not liking the changes at all, especially the changes with the nose.
This is an incredibly risky and difficult procedure. When it goes badly, you risk being in a really bad place if you were doing this only for aesthetics. My opinion is that this surgery get reserved for only the most severe of cases. Cases where you are in so much pain, can't function, and have reached rock bottom and have nothing to lose by gambling on this surgery and it's associated risks. My advice to patients who are doing this for mostly aesthetics is to learn to love yourself first. Even if you go through with this. You need to be in a good place before proceeding, because if you are not, then that will continue even after the physical you is changed.
I think you are beautiful, but I know we are each our own worst critics and at the end of the day it matters how you feel.
By that reasoning, thinkingme and I should just continue the camouflage route. BTW thinkingme, my chin looks aligned with my lips now but it took a 12mm projection chin implant :o. My pre-plastic surgery profile looks almost identical to yours.
So if I were to agree with you Lyra (because I kinda do), no one in my thread told me to avoid jaw surgery for aesthetic reasons, while everyone here is telling her to avoid it. Maybe it's my skeletal malocclusion that people agree should be fixed with bimax, but camaflouge orthodontics with little to no medical repercussions downgrades that issue back to one of simple aesthetics. I never claimed to be at rock bottom or anything of the sort, so why would people unanimously recommend I go through w/bimax?
It seems like there's a camp of people who do bimax purely for aesthetics, because they have retrognathia and can expect an improvement in profile if nothing else, and then there's everyone else that saves bimax for serious medical reasons as you described. Am I right in assuming that? I've also heard bimax is the foundation upon which you can then benefit from plastic surgery.... which to me sounds like a money pit and hell on earth to do SO much surgery and risk so much on a perfectly functional, and maybe not absolutely grotesque looking face.
But maybe I'm overly cynical and cautious because all it took was a simple chin implant to ruin my only good feature, that being my smile (lower lip paralysis). :( The rhinoplasty was one step forward, 2 steps back from either loss of facial fat or osteotomies causing me to lose some mid-face support.
To the OP, I also don't see how you'd benefit from bimax. Have you gotten a ceph x-ray done or even shown us a side profile shot? I think you need to reevaluate what it is exactly you don't like about your face. Bimax is a whole other world of hurt compared to what you've experienced so far with plastic surgery. I actually prefer you without the heavy makeup, fake eyelashes etc.. you look really good in all your shots, and judging by your collar bone show you are also in reasonably good shape. Dig deep and contemplate why you need to put all you have going for you at risk with more surgery, especially the nuclear option (imo) of bimax surgery.
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Wouldn't SARPE stretch your lips horizontally thus making the philtrum shorter?
No.
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No.
yeah, i also think no. your upper lip isn't a knitted sweater. a wider upper dental arch may aide in providing more support for the upper lip but i don't think it will make it shorter.
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Jaw Surgery (NOR ANY OTHER SURGERY) will shorten your face in the way you want it to.
There's really nothing you can do about it. In fact I think your face may look a bit longer after jaw surgery. As for other advice you look fine. Don't get more surgery cause you'll start looking like a freak, you're just like two steps away from that.
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I read your post, and had a look at the photos. You don't like the way you look, but I can't help but feel this is in part due to the way people have reacted to you online (to a particular version of you presented in a particular photo)... who knows who these people are, or what their motives are. You can't pin down exactly what it is you don't like, and that's because there isn't actually anything 'wrong'. When I look at your photos, I see pretty eyes and an even prettier smile... that's it! The red tint to your hair complements your complexion, and I think a natural looking is good for you, it looks more classical and attractive in it's own way.
ps. Ha, I hope you do chicken out!
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I read your post, and had a look at the photos. You don't like the way you look, but I can't help but feel this is in part due to the way people have reacted to you online (to a particular version of you presented in a particular photo)... who knows who these people are, or what their motives are. You can't pin down exactly what it is you don't like, and that's because there isn't actually anything 'wrong'. When I look at your photos, I see pretty eyes and an even prettier smile... that's it! The red tint to your hair complements your complexion, and I think a natural looking is good for you, it looks more classical and attractive in it's own way.
ps. Ha, I hope you do chicken out!
Thank you. And I've always been insecure about my long midface. I just didn't think it was as bad or as ugly as people online seemed to think. I was never delusional enough to think I was "model-looking," but it hurt to hear my face was "not conventionally attractive" or "passably cute." I posted lots of photos, not just one. And they were my "best" photos. Even you said "attractive in its own way," meaning not in a traditional way. I'm not vain or shallow when it comes to anyone else, but there's something that just gives me anxiety about my own appearance and drives me to improve it.
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By that reasoning, thinkingme and I should just continue the camouflage route. BTW thinkingme, my chin looks aligned with my lips now but it took a 12mm projection chin implant :o. My pre-plastic surgery profile looks almost identical to yours.
So if I were to agree with you Lyra (because I kinda do), no one in my thread told me to avoid jaw surgery for aesthetic reasons, while everyone here is telling her to avoid it. Maybe it's my skeletal malocclusion that people agree should be fixed with bimax, but camaflouge orthodontics with little to no medical repercussions downgrades that issue back to one of simple aesthetics. I never claimed to be at rock bottom or anything of the sort, so why would people unanimously recommend I go through w/bimax?
It seems like there's a camp of people who do bimax purely for aesthetics, because they have retrognathia and can expect an improvement in profile if nothing else, and then there's everyone else that saves bimax for serious medical reasons as you described. Am I right in assuming that? I've also heard bimax is the foundation upon which you can then benefit from plastic surgery.... which to me sounds like a money pit and hell on earth to do SO much surgery and risk so much on a perfectly functional, and maybe not absolutely grotesque looking face.
But maybe I'm overly cynical and cautious because all it took was a simple chin implant to ruin my only good feature, that being my smile (lower lip paralysis). :( The rhinoplasty was one step forward, 2 steps back from either loss of facial fat or osteotomies causing me to lose some mid-face support.
To the OP, I also don't see how you'd benefit from bimax. Have you gotten a ceph x-ray done or even shown us a side profile shot? I think you need to reevaluate what it is exactly you don't like about your face. Bimax is a whole other world of hurt compared to what you've experienced so far with plastic surgery. I actually prefer you without the heavy makeup, fake eyelashes etc.. you look really good in all your shots, and judging by your collar bone show you are also in reasonably good shape. Dig deep and contemplate why you need to put all you have going for you at risk with more surgery, especially the nuclear option (imo) of bimax surgery.
jaw surgery is not aesthetic. genioplasty is aesthetic. Yes jaw surgery come with big aesthetic outcome because it fix ur skeletal problem. If there is a reason and maybe your teeth camouflaged naturally and u have no functional issue but you can get surgery.
and redlips. It wont worth it to be honest. Ur mid face and philtrum is good normal pretty etc. Pls dont go surgery
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By that reasoning, thinkingme and I should just continue the camouflage route. BTW thinkingme, my chin looks aligned with my lips now but it took a 12mm projection chin implant :o. My pre-plastic surgery profile looks almost identical to yours.
So if I were to agree with you Lyra (because I kinda do), no one in my thread told me to avoid jaw surgery for aesthetic reasons, while everyone here is telling her to avoid it. Maybe it's my skeletal malocclusion that people agree should be fixed with bimax, but camaflouge orthodontics with little to no medical repercussions downgrades that issue back to one of simple aesthetics. I never claimed to be at rock bottom or anything of the sort, so why would people unanimously recommend I go through w/bimax?
It seems like there's a camp of people who do bimax purely for aesthetics, because they have retrognathia and can expect an improvement in profile if nothing else, and then there's everyone else that saves bimax for serious medical reasons as you described. Am I right in assuming that? I've also heard bimax is the foundation upon which you can then benefit from plastic surgery.... which to me sounds like a money pit and hell on earth to do SO much surgery and risk so much on a perfectly functional, and maybe not absolutely grotesque looking face.
But maybe I'm overly cynical and cautious because all it took was a simple chin implant to ruin my only good feature, that being my smile (lower lip paralysis). :( The rhinoplasty was one step forward, 2 steps back from either loss of facial fat or osteotomies causing me to lose some mid-face support.
To the OP, I also don't see how you'd benefit from bimax. Have you gotten a ceph x-ray done or even shown us a side profile shot? I think you need to reevaluate what it is exactly you don't like about your face. Bimax is a whole other world of hurt compared to what you've experienced so far with plastic surgery. I actually prefer you without the heavy makeup, fake eyelashes etc.. you look really good in all your shots, and judging by your collar bone show you are also in reasonably good shape. Dig deep and contemplate why you need to put all you have going for you at risk with more surgery, especially the nuclear option (imo) of bimax surgery.
Your lower lip is paralyzed from a chin implant? Thats horrible and scary.
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So its been a while since I visited this forum. I have to comment on this thread because I find it incredibly sad. And Im not blaming OP but jaw surgery is for people with jaw deformities that alter their quality of life which OP does not appear to have. The fact that such a pretty girl(who may or may not be model material, seriously that is very subjective) wants to undergo corrective jaw surgery for reasons that have nothing to do with the functional impact of said surgery or even common aesthetic issues associated with it, makes me feel sad about the society we live in. At the end of the day it is your body and I have no right to tell you what to do, but if it were me I would just enjoy my life and be grateful that I did not have a true issue that corrective jaw surgery is a good treatment for.
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So its been a while since I visited this forum. I have to comment on this thread because I find it incredibly sad. And Im not blaming OP but jaw surgery is for people with jaw deformities that alter their quality of life which OP does not appear to have. The fact that such a pretty girl(who may or may not be model material, seriously that is very subjective) wants to undergo corrective jaw surgery for reasons that have nothing to do with the functional impact of said surgery or even common aesthetic issues associated with it, makes me feel sad about the society we live in. At the end of the day it is your body and I have no right to tell you what to do, but if it were me I would just enjoy my life and be grateful that I did not have a true issue that corrective jaw surgery is a good treatment for.
Thank you for saying that - - and saying it well ! It needed to be said, but everybody was / has been "dancing" around the issue.
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Thank you for saying that - - and saying it well ! It needed to be said, but everybody was / has been "dancing" around the issue.
We said it. We said op has no jaw deformity. She is already pretty beatiful girl. And i cant understand which surgeon or ortho accept asurgery with her. I get refused from same doctors with a recessed lower jaw and bad bite bad teeth angles etc. and they can go surgery with a girl have like a perfect occlusion and perfect jaw harmony. This is not ethic.
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By that reasoning, thinkingme and I should just continue the camouflage route. BTW thinkingme, my chin looks aligned with my lips now but it took a 12mm projection chin implant :o. My pre-plastic surgery profile looks almost identical to yours.
So if I were to agree with you Lyra (because I kinda do), no one in my thread told me to avoid jaw surgery for aesthetic reasons, while everyone here is telling her to avoid it. Maybe it's my skeletal malocclusion that people agree should be fixed with bimax, but camaflouge orthodontics with little to no medical repercussions downgrades that issue back to one of simple aesthetics. I never claimed to be at rock bottom or anything of the sort, so why would people unanimously recommend I go through w/bimax?
It seems like there's a camp of people who do bimax purely for aesthetics, because they have retrognathia and can expect an improvement in profile if nothing else, and then there's everyone else that saves bimax for serious medical reasons as you described. Am I right in assuming that? I've also heard bimax is the foundation upon which you can then benefit from plastic surgery.... which to me sounds like a money pit and hell on earth to do SO much surgery and risk so much on a perfectly functional, and maybe not absolutely grotesque looking face.
It's a tough call and every case is so different. I am also not a big fan of camo ortho, since they do it for most cases that actually do need the bimax. But, there are also a lot of cases where it works. My ortho totally did an extraction no his own kid and made it work, and her outcome is great. She def made the right choice avoiding surgery. In general though, I am quite cautious with extraction ortho. Sometimes it does more harm than good, so no matter what your situation, get second opinions. I saw about 6 orthos before I went the braces/surgical route. Only 1 of them talked about *possibly* doing some camo work, and even at that he made it sound like a long shot. So, it was kind of a blessing in disguise that I wasn't even a candidate to be in the grey area of camo vs. bimax. Same for my revision, I was so happy it was all unanimous revision diagnosis and not half of the surgeons saying maybe I needed it and half saying not.
Overall I just tend to be cautious with all of this. Better safe than sorry. I've experienced what it's like when it doesn't go right, and you can definitely end up worse off in regret!
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You won't get a shorter midface through surgery imo. So its pointless.
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But isn't orthognathic surgery necessary to fix a gummy smile? Won't that shorten my midface?
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But isn't orthognathic surgery necessary to fix a gummy smile? Won't that shorten my midface?
Yes, impaction can reduce gummy smile and shorten the midface. IIRC, you don't have a gummy smile, so impaction should not be performed.
Edit - just checked your pics and I don't think your face is overly long, i.e. the length of your midface is fine. It may appear that way to you because your gonial angles are narrowish and you have strong cheekbones. Do you have any side profile shots?
Edit 2 - Stop with the fillers; I believe that's a bad road to go down. Fix the foundation / bone structure if needed and leave the soft tissue alone.
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Yes, I have a gummy smile. It's not too drastic, but it's always bothered me and it's definitely noticeable. It's also not helped by the fact that my already-small top lip completely disappears when I smile.
Gummy smile:
http://imgur.com/8KdhCsx
http://imgur.com/Ks70EcO
http://i.imgur.com/AWsZAqD.png
I think my midface is on the long side, and I've measured it many times. It's on the borderline of being too long and automatically unattractive, according to one measurement. I've often measured when I'm too close to the camera (ie. selfies), so it's probably not 100 percent accurate. I guess it's not that terribly long. It just has always bothered me. And when I look for what's "off" about my face, it's easiest to point to my midface.
I got fillers in my lips, cheeks, and chin. Should I not have done that? I always thought it was my soft tissue that was bad.
I also have a big asymmetry in my cheeks. One cheek is much flatter and "droopier" than the other. I hate that and want to fix that so badly but don't know how.
Here are profile views -
Left profile: http://i.imgur.com/dExmoAC.jpg?1
Right profile: http://i.imgur.com/CtjNs4U.jpg
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Yes, I have a gummy smile. It's not too drastic, but it's always bothered me and it's definitely noticeable. It's also not helped by the fact that my already-small top lip completely disappears when I smile.
Gummy smile:
http://imgur.com/8KdhCsx
http://imgur.com/Ks70EcO
http://i.imgur.com/AWsZAqD.png
I think my midface is on the long side, and I've measured it many times. It's on the borderline of being too long and automatically unattractive, according to one measurement. I've often measured when I'm too close to the camera (ie. selfies), so it's probably not 100 percent accurate. I guess it's not that terribly long. It just has always bothered me. And when I look for what's "off" about my face, it's easiest to point to my midface.
I got fillers in my lips, cheeks, and chin. Should I not have done that? I always thought it was my soft tissue that was bad.
I also have a big asymmetry in my cheeks. One cheek is much flatter and "droopier" than the other. I hate that and want to fix that so badly but don't know how.
Here are profile views -
Left profile: http://i.imgur.com/dExmoAC.jpg?1
Right profile: http://i.imgur.com/CtjNs4U.jpg
Maybe u have little gummy smile but really its not unattractive and not a really reason for double jaw surgery . U have great jawline great both side and front profiles. If i were you(physical not emotional) i probably wont go surgery. I have cheek assymetry in photos 2. But never realize it at videos. I want to ask did u talk with any surgeon? What did they say.
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Agreed on gummy smile... not bad though. You could probably get CCW rotation via impaction and it would bring your chin out a bit as well. Have you ever had ceph x-rays done?
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I don't think your gummy smile is bad at all. I actually opted to leave some gummy smile on me for my surgery because 1.) It's part of who I am and I didn't want to lose the old me completely, and 2.) It keeps you youthful. If you impact too much, you'll have a saggy lip that won't age well with the rest of you.
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Are you really still going ahead with this?
I'd avoid jaw surgery OP
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Your jaw is ok. It's very feminine and small and that's how it should be. This ante face BS that is going around isn't right for women.
A strong jaw will make you look older as soon you turn 40. A small, softer jaw is much more beneficial for a feminine look. I know a woman who had double jaw surgery and finally moved it back because she also realized the face becomes longer and the jaw bigger. As we age the jaw naturally becomes bigger, also the nose etc. It makes no sense to give a woman the ante face look as it really isn't what naturally looks feminine.
I really don't get how people can fall for this ante face rubbish that claims it makes a face more attractive if the jaw is pronounced.
I agree that you could do something about your teeth and improve the gummy smile, but don't let yourself be manipulated into this rubbish. You might get functional issues and regret it because the improvement of appearance is really not that great. You might look just different and not better at all.
What really makes a difference in attractiveness is good rhinoplasty, good fillers and if you need it Botox. Not saying you need any of that, just be careful with your jaw area and having high hopes for this procedure. I know how women think and I can imagine what you aim for. You might be very disappointed after having it.
My father is a doctor and explained to me how circulation in the jaw area is not as good as in the upper part of the face. Whatever you do there might not heal as good as the rest of your face. And it's really fu***d up to have problems with speaking and your mouth. The childlike innocent look is much more beneficial for a woman's face and you have that. Don't mess with it because innocence and a girly face will always beat the beauty of an Angelina Jolie. Maybe one day you'll experience what I mean. Build on looking innocent and girly-- that is where the power of a woman really lies. Plastic Surgeons who promote the Ante Face don't understand that.
I disagree with much of this, Isabella.
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Isabella is totally right.
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don't have jaw surgery if you don't need it
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Isabella is totally right.
No, she isn't.
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No, she isn't.
yeah but you are obsessed with antefaces. Tons of really attractive people have straight or slightly retruded profiles and still look really good.
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So its been a while since I visited this forum. I have to comment on this thread because I find it incredibly sad. And Im not blaming OP but jaw surgery is for people with jaw deformities that alter their quality of life which OP does not appear to have. The fact that such a pretty girl(who may or may not be model material, seriously that is very subjective) wants to undergo corrective jaw surgery for reasons that have nothing to do with the functional impact of said surgery or even common aesthetic issues associated with it, makes me feel sad about the society we live in. At the end of the day it is your body and I have no right to tell you what to do, but if it were me I would just enjoy my life and be grateful that I did not have a true issue that corrective jaw surgery is a good treatment for.
Thanks for that...
RedLips,
First, please don't take any of this the wrong way. I really am trying to be helpful. My personality is very forthright and comes off brash at times (edited this in). I'm female, an aging hippie, aged 59 and I just shoot straight from the hip! That said.....
I agree with tdawg because to those of us with a serious issue, you are obviously NOT in need of jaw surgery - AT ALL. You have a self esteem issue. You are already VERY pretty, borderline beautiful, even in your "bad" photo. I think that one is the best because it shows such uniqueness in your features. It's the slight differences that are so fetching. With professional make-up application, you would be Absolutely STUNNING. You even said yourself in a post, something like ..."When I am looking in the mirror, looking for what's wrong with my face..." <---- that's the problem. Get off the mirror. Go enjoy life. You are blessed in the looks department..
Consider that with jaw surgery, as I was told, there will always be residual numbness somewhere. The damage could be very bad. This specific surgery has a lot of risks. Not one or two, there are a couple dozen risks, and all of them are bad.
Consider the story of "Chelie" at the RealSelf.com website forum. It's a long read, but you should read a horror story or two to get an idea...
Here's Chelie's story:
https://www.realself.com/review/philadelphia-pa-orthognathic-surgery-jaw-surgery-the-biggest-mistake-my-life
Jaw surgery is a last resort - even for those with a very real physical need. Maybe you would rather see a psychotherapist for BDD related self esteem issues, which has no risk of death from general anesthesia, no physical risk at all of numbness, and the long list of complications that could occur.
Actually, I want to suggest a hypnotherapist. I made use of one for self esteem in my 20's and it was fantastic. Hypnosis skips all the "figure out why and try to fix it" and really DOES just reprogram your brain. I think this could be a huge benefit to you. With hypnosis, you would be looking in the mirror and noting all the great things about your face, inside of 90 days.
I have another suggestion I have not seen yet. Make an appointment at a high-end salon that has a professional make up artist. Tell her your concerns about your mid face, and that you want to learn how to do contouring. You can learn in 15 minutes as she applies it on you and explains why. Contouring is highlights and lowlights added to your face in strategic places--under foundation. The results are incredible. BUT, go to a professional, who will work with you and listen to your concerns, and teach you the correct places for YOUR facial structure.
Google: Makeup contouring before after
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Makeup+contouring+before+after
And YES, you ARE model material already!! Just the way you are. Watch "Top Model" and look at the girls without makeup. Some of them are downright ugly without makeup! You are far prettier then MOST of them! THEY KNOW CONTOURING.
You are gorgeous and I only wish I was born with your features. Each and every one.
Surgery is waaaay too drastic, IMHO, it's not for aesthetics, and especially not on such a naturally pretty girl.
OH, on your recent consult where you got the before and after, you were disappointed it was not much different? The reason the before and after composite was so similar, is because you really don't need anything done. They can't move anything too far or you will lose your facial symmetry.
I'm rooting for hypnosis and contouring! Please chicken out! If you don't improve your self esteem it is likely NO result will make you feel pretty. Think about that.