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Title: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: tdawg on August 25, 2012, 11:32:15 PM
Do you ever wonder what the point of life is? I guess it is easier if you believe in a religion but I do not. The way I see it, whether I succeed or fail, I am going to end up as dust eventually. 100 years from now very few people will even remember who I was. 200 years from now in all likelihood nobody will remember who I was.

How do you find purpose? Everybody wants to change the world, but very few people do and most of the time it isnt for the better. The only way I think I will be able to find purpose is through work("prosecuting criminals", or "representing people who were wronged") But even then you are ultimately still just a small pawn in a large game. A piece of an imperfect system where most of the time the result is determined long before you even begin work.

My(and imo almost everybody's) existence is basically meaningless.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Marisama on August 25, 2012, 11:56:47 PM
I can see how it would be difficult to see purpose without faith. Just moving my finger leads me to believe that there is a higher power. God and religion can seem far fetched and evermore so in today's technological world, but faith gives hope that there is purpose.

Also, even presently, it's not the opinion of others that should give one purpose. If you have people in your live that make you happy or find things to do in life that bring you joy, this should be enough to give you some meaning of life.

Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: tdawg on August 26, 2012, 12:00:11 AM
It makes sense, but its easier said than done.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: tdawg on August 26, 2012, 12:11:39 AM
Its not so much people remembering you. That was just the best example I could use to explain a feeling that is hard to put into words. Its hard to describe other than just saying that everything is meaningless, because it is usually hard to describe a lack of something.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: tdawg on August 26, 2012, 10:35:16 AM
For once I am not trying to be logical.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: treevernal on August 26, 2012, 02:11:58 PM
I don't know what happens when we die and I'm okay not knowing.  For me, lifelong learning and searching gives me purpose.  Everyday I learn more about who I am as a person and what I stand for / am capable of.  Also the connections I make with other people and the relationships I build give me purpose.  

Just think, no one knows you better than you do and no one ever will.  You are in possesstion of one of the greatest mysteries of the world (your individual human mind).  That's pretty powerful.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Marisama on August 26, 2012, 03:00:30 PM
im just waiting for the next season of game of thrones to be perfectly honest. that's enough purpose/will to live imo.

Haha.  Can't wait for that either!  At least I have "Breaking Bad" to hold me over.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Antbee on August 26, 2012, 04:13:37 PM
This may sound both like the musings of a mental patient and/or highly wanky (as we like to say in Britain) so there's that preface, but:

some years ago I had what I now see was a sort of existential crisis. I couldn't see the point of anything because, clearly there is none. This is the human condition. Realizing that seemed like peering into a deep dark hole at the time. I gave this some serious thought and decided that while there is no point as such to our consciousness, what made existence seem magical to me again was our ability to appreciate beauty (not necessarily physical, I mean in every respect). That appreciation also links to the other part of what makes life seem like a worthwhile pursuit: Our ability to make and communicate through art, whatever form that may take. I wish I could remember where I read a quote on this subject so I could recall it correctly but it goes something like, 'when all else is gone, art is the footprint that remains of humanity'. I'm butchering the wording, but hopefully someone sees what I'm on about. That and kindness - a form of beauty of course, but specifically, the receipt of kindness in its pure form is a reason for anyone to find faith in living.

I know, it's wanky, you were warned.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Jack on August 26, 2012, 04:48:23 PM
Yeah you guys are such major wankers!!!! Holy s**t, you know the whole "do your looks determines your personality" thread? Well, clearly the answer is a RESOUNDING YES!!
People with weak jaws are a bunch of depressive, ineffectual, navel gazing wankers!

You want to know what a person with a REAL JAW is like? I'm talking about someone with chiselled features, a strong square chin, gonal angles the measure 90 degrees, a real lantern jaw juggernaut!
I'm talking about Arnold! And this is the type of answer a man with a real jaw gives to questions about the point of life!!!

Conan, what is best in life? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PQ6335puOc#ws)
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Marisama on August 26, 2012, 05:10:48 PM
Just for the record, I may be one of many who are annoyed with Jack.  Is this a common theme in your life?
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Heavyweight on August 26, 2012, 05:30:43 PM
I think happiness is pretty much the only thing that matters in life. Looks are a HUGE part of happiness, which is why I'm doing everything I can to improve my looks.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Heavyweight on August 26, 2012, 05:48:06 PM
Yeah you guys are such major wankers!!!! Holy s**t, you know the whole "do your looks determines your personality" thread? Well, clearly the answer is a RESOUNDING YES!!
People with weak jaws are a bunch of depressive, ineffectual, navel gazing wankers!

You want to know what a person with a REAL JAW is like? I'm talking about someone with chiselled features, a strong square chin, gonal angles the measure 90 degrees, a real lantern jaw juggernaut!
I'm talking about Arnold! And this is the type of answer a man with a real jaw gives to questions about the point of life!!!

You're pretty blunt, but I agree with most of this. If you have weak jaws and a weak chin, you are pretty much a loser automatically. However, you can't just correct the jaws and become attractive -- there's so much more that goes into attractiveness. Handsome men not only have large jaws and chins but also large cheekbones, prominent brow ridges, thick eyebrows, wide foreheads, and relatively compact midfaces. Most weak-jawed betas don't have any of these features, so you need to correct all of these problems so that larger jaws don't seem out of place.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Marisama on August 26, 2012, 06:54:32 PM
There's therapy.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Marisama on August 26, 2012, 07:01:28 PM
Anyway, I think the moral of the story is that we only live one life.  What's the point of going through life with a deficient jaw or rather anything health related issue that can be fixed?  
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Heavyweight on August 26, 2012, 07:13:59 PM
this i understand. but i've known plenty of people with no chin/weak jaw that had no challenge hooking up and having friends. if something is truly bothering you then fix it, but you can't expect it to reverse years of self-loathing and obsession.

Some people with weak jaws look a lot better than other people with weak jaws. If you have bad jaws and good features, you can probably live a normal life, but if you have bad jaws and unattractive features, you're pretty much screwed.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Jack on August 26, 2012, 07:23:09 PM
You're pretty blunt, but I agree with most of this. If you have weak jaws and a weak chin, you are pretty much a loser automatically. However, you can't just correct the jaws and become attractive -- there's so much more that goes into attractiveness. Handsome men not only have large jaws and chins but also large cheekbones, prominent brow ridges, thick eyebrows, wide foreheads, and relatively compact midfaces. Most weak-jawed betas don't have any of these features, so you need to correct all of these problems so that larger jaws don't seem out of place.

Yeah! Heavyweight is the only really cool guy on this thread!
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Jack on August 26, 2012, 07:23:49 PM
betas...alphas...what is this the middle ages? nothing sinister about correcting a jaw deformity or wanting to improve one's appearance - go for it, it's your life and money. BUT, your entire life and personality is not predicated on your freaking jaw bro.

Listen bro, yes it is.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Heavyweight on August 26, 2012, 07:28:10 PM
for women, i would say it is more difficult but that is just my opinion.

Looks are actually way less important for women's success in dating. Moreover, women can compensate for poor facial aesthetics with a great body; men can't.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Jack on August 26, 2012, 07:31:41 PM
Man, you got to love it. I HAVE A WEAK JAW!! I was totally and absolutely joking with the Conan clip and my comments about what a "real" man is like. I mean Nick Cave, who has an incredibly weak chin is like a personal hero of mine.  I just thought it would be a funny thing to throw the Conan clip into the mix and bring a little levity to this whole discussion about the point of life. I mean what a f**king retarded thread to begin with--what the f**k does the point of life have to do with your jaw issues!!??
 But instead of having a good laugh you depressives have demoted my ranking from plus 2 to negative 2 and have demonstrated yet another fact which can now be inferred from people with weak jaw issues: YOU HAVE NO SENSE OF HUMOR!! Pathetic...

Jack

ps Marisama, I'm just curious, judging from your comments I picture you to be like the fat girl with really bad acne who no one really likes and who like tattles on everyone. Am I close?
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Jack on August 26, 2012, 07:37:32 PM
I think happiness is pretty much the only thing that matters in life. Looks are a HUGE part of happiness, which is why I'm doing everything I can to improve my looks.

Yeah I mean looks are basically like 99 percent of what makes a person cool. If you're good looking, you basically don't have to worry about s**t. You could even be mentally retarded and as long as you didn't actually have down syndrome, you'd be like really cool and people like CK would say s**t like "Yo bro, you're really rad man." But if you were like paraplegic and you were really good looking you'd be s**t out of luck. So maybe like just being able bodied is more important.

But if you were like a really good looking girl or guy then you'd have people like Marisama tattling on you to the principal and getting you in trouble cause that's what fat ugly people with bad acne do because of their resentment towards ridiculously good looking people.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Jack on August 26, 2012, 07:45:46 PM


Really really really ridiculously good looking (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHHEcmZtJvY#ws)



Simple Jack (2009) Full Extended Trailer - Official/High Quality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-n_zk7e0ZU#ws)

yes, well at least you got the reference --it was intentional! :  )
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Marisama on August 26, 2012, 07:46:49 PM
Man, you got to love it. I HAVE A WEAK JAW!! I was totally and absolutely joking with the Conan clip and my comments about what a "real" man is like. I mean Nick Cave, who has an incredibly weak chin is like a personal hero of mine.  I just thought it would be a funny thing to throw the Conan clip into the mix and bring a little levity to this whole discussion about the point of life. I mean what a f**king retarded thread to begin with--what the f**k does the point of life have to do with your jaw issues!!??
 But instead of having a good laugh you depressives have demoted my ranking from plus 2 to negative 2 and have demonstrated yet another fact which can now be inferred from people with weak jaw issues: YOU HAVE NO SENSE OF HUMOR!! Pathetic...

Jack

ps Marisama, I'm just curious, judging from your comments I picture you to be like the fat girl with really bad acne who no one really likes and who like tattles on everyone. Am I close?

Haha, that's really funny actually.  I don't like stupid people much.

Edit.  That's what happens when you're doing too many things at once.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Jack on August 26, 2012, 07:50:19 PM
Haha, that's really funny actually.  I don't don't like stupid people much.

wait, so does that mean you like stupid people?
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Antbee on August 26, 2012, 07:53:32 PM
Looks are actually way less important for women's success in dating. Moreover, women can compensate for poor facial aesthetics with a great body; men can't.


This is madness. Men can't compensate with a great body? Why not? Michael Phelps? Also why are looks less important for women's success in dating? That's just so far from the truth. While we're all visual creatures obviously, it's well documented that sexual attraction is more closely linked to the visual experience in men (assuming we're talking about hetero male-female situations for the sake of argument).

Unattractive women are, I feel, overlooked and disregarded constantly. While unattractive men may be at a disadvantage in many ways, they can more easily be considered sexy than a facially unattractive woman. Look at Mick Jagger. The man is (was) sexy as hell. Technically kind of ugly. For men the ugly/sexy thing is a very real possibility (confidence is key), but it's not the same for women. I mean why are there slang words for an ugly girl with a great body, but no such terms (that I know of) for men?  
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: CK on August 26, 2012, 07:57:08 PM
This is madness. Men can't compensate with a great body? Why not? Michael Phelps? Also why are looks less important for women's success in dating? That's just so far from the truth. While we're all visual creatures obviously, it's well documented that sexual attraction is more closely linked to the visual experience in men (assuming we're talking about hetero male-female situations for the sake of argument).

Unattractive women are, I feel, overlooked and disregarded constantly. While unattractive men may be at a disadvantage in many ways, then can more easily be considered sexy than a facially unattractive woman. Look at Mick Jagger. The man is (was) sexy as hell. Technically kind of ugly. For men the ugly/sexy thing is a very real possibility. (Confidence is key) but it's not the same for women. I mean why are there slang words for an ugly girl with a great body, but no such terms (that I know of) for men?  

qft.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Heavyweight on August 26, 2012, 08:01:10 PM
This is madness. Men can't compensate with a great body? Why not? Michael Phelps? Also why are looks less important for women's success in dating? That's just so far from the truth. While we're all visual creatures obviously, it's well documented that sexual attraction is more closely linked to the visual experience in men (assuming we're talking about hetero male-female situations for the sake of argument).

Unattractive women are, I feel, overlooked and disregarded constantly. While unattractive men may be at a disadvantage in many ways, then can more easily be considered sexy than a facially unattractive woman. Look at Mick Jagger. The man is (was) sexy as hell. Technically kind of ugly. For men the ugly/sexy thing is a very real possibility. (Confidence is key) but it's not the same for women. I mean why are there slang words for an ugly girl with a great body, but no such terms (that I know of) for men?  

My real life experience says otherwise. Men have much higher sex drives than women and single men greatly outnumber single women in America. This results in a much higher demand for women in the dating market. Men will take anything they can get to avoid being alone. If you don't believe me, create a fake profile of an ugly woman on a dating site and watch yourself get flooded with messages from attractive, successful men. I didn't believe it until I tried it myself.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Heavyweight on August 26, 2012, 08:04:18 PM
what are you people talking about!!!???? Haven't you ever heard the saying the two most powerful people in the world are young beautiful women and rich powerful men!!??

Looks don't even matter for a guy AT ALL if you have wealth and an ALPHA personality. Like if you're meek and shy and beta like CK you won't really do to well with chicks. Or if you're a fat zitty girl like Marisama, once again, you're near the bottom of the hierarchy. But VANITY FAIR magazine a while back did this status ranking/desirability diagram(status here meaning how much you were desired by men) and it went something like publicist, to agent, to model, to pop singer to finally like actress and they had examples for each so the actress who was the most desirable was gwyneth paltrow who was like 34 at the time, but then there was one category of person who even outranked her, and it was "18 year old cutie who works at Jhamba juice." This was all in fun, but the point was that for women, youth and hotness far outrank anything else. I was just watching MAD MEN and at one point one of the characters says, "You know, it's like when a woman hits 30, it's just like a light goes out." So what I'm saying here is that Heavyweight, sorry bro, but you're a bit off on this one, even though I generally applaud your point of view. Looks don't mean s**t for a guy, just money and power --you'll be poppin bottles and models. But for a girl, I mean if you ain't hot, and you're over 25. Sorry, but like you're headin straight for spinsterville.



Nope, not at all. Actual studies on this issue show that women care about looks more than anything else and they care about looks more than more than men do!

http://i.imgur.com/LebHv.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/LebHv.jpg)
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Antbee on August 26, 2012, 08:06:53 PM
But for a girl, I mean if you ain't hot, and you're over 25. Sorry, but like you're headin straight for spinsterville.



Generally, what you said is true except the above. Over 25 means spinsterville? Dude where do you live? I'm guessing the kind of place where the average age of marriage/settling down is 23 or something. The vast majority of people I know in London, Paris and LA (the cities where I've lived) never thought much about settling down until later. You just kind of undermined the truth of the rest of your comment with that last statement.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Antbee on August 26, 2012, 08:07:57 PM
qft.

what does qft mean?
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Marisama on August 26, 2012, 08:09:58 PM
Quit f**king Talking... that's my guess.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Jack on August 26, 2012, 08:11:31 PM
Nope, not at all. Actual studies on this issue show that women care about looks more than anything else and they care about looks more than more than men do!

http://i.imgur.com/LebHv.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/LebHv.jpg)

ugh, this is depressing. actually, i think it might be true too. today i decided I would demote myself from a 7 to a 6 because I realized that i actually have quite oily skin and large pores. so i take back what i said before people. I'm not a 7, I'm a 6. Hopefully with jaw surgery and laser skin resurfacing I might make it to an 8. Frankly guys, going from a weak chin/jaw to a strong one, which is what this surgery can do, is definitely going to take you at least one full integer up the looks scale. And being a 7 ain't horrible. But it ain't great either.

hey, what about height? I'm only 5'10. I mean if I were 6'2 that would make me truly alpha.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: stevek216 on August 26, 2012, 08:14:06 PM

Please don't. I like his posts, and he brings intensity to this forum.

I'd say banning Jack seems appropriate.  He's singling out and being rude to a lot of members, whether trying to be funny or not (emphasis on trying).  I may be an anomaly here, but I don't think a forum about jaw surgery has a particular need for intensity.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Antbee on August 26, 2012, 08:14:11 PM
My real life experience says otherwise. Men have much higher sex drives than women and single men greatly outnumber single women in America. This results in a much higher demand for women in the dating market. Men will take anything they can get to avoid being alone. If you don't believe me, create a fake profile of an ugly woman on a dating site and watch yourself get flooded with messages from attractive, successful men. I didn't believe it until I tried it myself.

I'm genuinely curious - what are the single population stats you're looking at?
Hmm Maybe the whole ugly profile things is about just sex and the idea of girls who are easy to get for a quickie etc. You mention sex drive and that is true, but actual dating is a whole other issue. Mind you, I live in LA which literally involves wading through models and actresses on a daily basis. I do OK with guys because hair/ skin/ features etc compensates to a degree for a dodgy jaw, but generally I just flat out disagree with the idea that most men would happily date an ugly woman. In any city.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: CK on August 26, 2012, 08:16:05 PM
Quit f**king Talking... that's my guess.

no, quoted for truth.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Antbee on August 26, 2012, 08:17:43 PM
no, quoted for truth.

Oh... well thanks. I was so confused
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: CK on August 26, 2012, 08:18:05 PM
OK well that's just nasty then. I don't get why.

no, it's quoted for truth - i agree with your post in its entirety.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Jack on August 26, 2012, 08:20:36 PM
hahaha cool story bro.

no i'm not even kidding...
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: tdawg on August 26, 2012, 08:22:24 PM
I look just like this guy -- bad jaws and  bad mid/upper face: http://i.imgur.com/9TCvZ.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/9TCvZ.jpg)

The biggest problem is the large distance between the eyes and the lips as well as the low cheekbones. Right now, I'm ugly and unmanly; after jaw surgery, I'll still be ugly but hopefully manly.

People typically don't go from ugly to beautiful with any kind of surgery. Ugliness is very hard to fix because a lot of it is due to the positioning of the eyes, nose, and mouth as well as skin smoothness and evenness. Almost anyone who gets a fantastic result from jaw surgery already had everything else in the right place as well as good skin.



That guy doesnt look as bad as you think he does. There are only 2 things that the average person would notice:

1)His mouth is hanging open(IDK if it is from jaw problems or just a picture taken at the wrong time)

2)Acne.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Jack on August 26, 2012, 08:25:17 PM
That guy doesnt look as bad as you think he does. There are only 2 things that the average person would notice:

1)His mouth is hanging open(IDK if it is from jaw problems or just a picture taken at the wrong time)

2)Acne.

I agree.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: tdawg on August 26, 2012, 08:26:18 PM
This is madness. Men can't compensate with a great body? Why not? Michael Phelps? Also why are looks less important for women's success in dating? That's just so far from the truth. While we're all visual creatures obviously, it's well documented that sexual attraction is more closely linked to the visual experience in men (assuming we're talking about hetero male-female situations for the sake of argument).

Unattractive women are, I feel, overlooked and disregarded constantly. While unattractive men may be at a disadvantage in many ways, they can more easily be considered sexy than a facially unattractive woman. Look at Mick Jagger. The man is (was) sexy as hell. Technically kind of ugly. For men the ugly/sexy thing is a very real possibility (confidence is key), but it's not the same for women. I mean why are there slang words for an ugly girl with a great body, but no such terms (that I know of) for men?  

I agree. For a man it is more about becoming a character that a woman falls in love with. Easier if you are attractive, but still doable if you arent.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Heavyweight on August 26, 2012, 08:30:25 PM
That guy doesnt look as bad as you think he does. There are only 2 things that the average person would notice:

1)His mouth is hanging open(IDK if it is from jaw problems or just a picture taken at the wrong time)

2)Acne.

Acne is the least of his problems. His biggest problem is his very long nose, which to my knowledge cannot be fixed. He's the perfect example of someone who would still look ugly after jaw surgery. http://i.imgur.com/VS3gr.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/VS3gr.jpg)
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Jack on August 26, 2012, 08:40:53 PM
deleted the post that could potentially "out" you jack. even though you are a complete tool poster's anonymity should be protected unless they voluntarily share who the are.



Thanks CK.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Jack on August 26, 2012, 08:44:04 PM
Acne is the least of his problems. His biggest problem is his very long nose, which to my knowledge cannot be fixed. He's the perfect example of someone who would still look ugly after jaw surgery. http://i.imgur.com/VS3gr.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/VS3gr.jpg)

Honestly, I'm not sure about that. I mean he's got an awful chin, but that will be fixed with jaw surgery and so will his mouth/lip posture. He's got amazing hair, the nose is actually rather narrow so length is not too egregious. I mean, frankly, clear up the acne and put on a bit of muscle, this guy could be an 8.5 no problem. I mean seriously Heavyweight, if this is you, I'd be pretty f'n happy, you just need a few tweaks here and there and you'll look great. But please go on accutane.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: tdawg on August 26, 2012, 09:09:47 PM
Acne is the least of his problems. His biggest problem is his very long nose, which to my knowledge cannot be fixed. He's the perfect example of someone who would still look ugly after jaw surgery. http://i.imgur.com/VS3gr.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/VS3gr.jpg)

Do you honestly believe that? There is not a single person I know who would say his nose is too long in a serious manner. His mouth hangs open and his chin is a bit recessed. That is his problem.

Im going to let you in on a secret since you seem genuinely depressed. Yes women do care a lot about how attractive a man is. The thing is that attractiveness is only half physical beauty/bone structure. The other half is determined by things like, how you wear your hair, the way you dress, the way you carry yourself. The most important thing is finding a persona for yourself that comes naturally.

The guy in the picture you linked is probably a 2 out of 5 in terms of bone structure. Even without any improvement in that, he could be a 7/10 if he didnt dress like s**t, took care of himself, had a better hair cut, etc.

Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Jack on August 26, 2012, 10:16:49 PM
Do you honestly believe that? There is not a single person I know who would say his nose is too long in a serious manner. His mouth hangs open and his chin is a bit recessed. That is his problem.

Im going to let you in on a secret since you seem genuinely depressed. Yes women do care a lot about how attractive a man is. The thing is that attractiveness is only half physical beauty/bone structure. The other half is determined by things like, how you wear your hair, the way you dress, the way you carry yourself. The most important thing is finding a persona for yourself that comes naturally.

The guy in the picture you linked is probably a 2 out of 5 in terms of bone structure. Even without any improvement in that, he could be a 7/10 if he didnt dress like s**t, took care of himself, had a better hair cut, etc.



Absolutely agree with tdawg here.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Sharptoys on August 26, 2012, 11:13:00 PM
I think if he got jaw surgery, he'd still look ugly but perhaps more manly and confident, which would probably be enough to get him an average girl and a few friends. That's all I'm hoping for. Like him, I have way too many facial flaws that cannot be fixed: http://i.imgur.com/x8RO4.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/x8RO4.jpg)

Come now, bimaxillary advancement, ear pinning, and acne treatment would go quite a way to improving his facial aesthetic. No, he probably won't ever have movie star good looks, but neither will the vast majority of people.

Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Heavyweight on August 26, 2012, 11:22:15 PM
Come now, bimaxillary advancement, ear pinning, and acne treatment would go quite a way to improving his facial aesthetic. No, he probably won't ever have movie star good looks, but neither will the vast majority of people.



Well, I agree that jaw surgery would help, particularly for his profile, but his upper and midface are really unattractive, and bimax won't affect them very much. He has something really weird going on with his forehead. It looks like his supraorbital rims are too large, but I think that's actually because his temples and forehead are recessed. Also, his upper face is really narrow, so that might make prominent jaws look unnatural.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Ducky on August 27, 2012, 12:51:36 AM
I think that guy is pretty cute. CK, you're funny, I agree with you.

When I first found out about this jaw problem I have, I was really insecure about it. It made me bashful and ashamed, and I talked about it a lot. Pretty much during every conversation. And I may have whined about being ugly. Everyone - my boyfriend, ex-husband, mom, friends - found that to be unattractive and annoying. But no one cared about how my jaw looks. I've emotionally detached myself a bit from the problem now, and I feel just fine and am going about life normally until I can finally address this thing.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: tdawg on August 27, 2012, 04:20:32 AM
Well, I agree that jaw surgery would help, particularly for his profile, but his upper and midface are really unattractive, and bimax won't affect them very much. He has something really weird going on with his forehead. It looks like his supraorbital rims are too large, but I think that's actually because his temples and forehead are recessed. Also, his upper face is really narrow, so that might make prominent jaws look unnatural.

lol, you are just screwing with us now.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: trigeminalneuralgia on August 27, 2012, 08:10:50 AM
long noses on a guy look GOOD.  i actually prefer them.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Jack on August 27, 2012, 10:19:16 AM
imo, yes. and his ability to have legitimate, non-bully/arrogant questions in my threads when it comes to his surgery, but then when it comes to other people that concern goes right out the window and in comes cool jack. as much as most of us dislike him, in real life he probably is relatively successful socially. internet imo tends to extol the virtues of the nice guy/thoughtful poster, while annoying tools like jack are dismissed. but in real life they stand out, and not necessarily in a bad way.

guys seriously, i'm a bit perplexed that my jocularity has been taken so seriously, but there it is. I get that we're here to help one another and I think this forum is very productive and important for that.

I'll be honest, and I'm not being arrogant, I'm very successful socially, with girls etc. --but that has very little to do with my looks I think. I play a lot of tennis and I play a lot with younger guys in their late teens/early twenties and I'll tell you, some of these guys look like an Adonis, but they're just so boring to hang out with that while girls are attracted to them physically, they just don't have a lot of game. And I don't mean anything surreptitious by "game" I mean just being yourself and having fun and outgoing and confident. Things like the tone of your voice and posture and comportment and how you move through space are all very important. I'm just very into the idea of maxing out my potential in this life. So I love all the discussions about diet etc. that exist on this forum --that's all very positive stuff. But some of you, and I don't mean you CK, I agree with much of what you have to say, really are blaming your shortcomings and failures etc.. on your jaws or looks and I'm sorry, this is EXTREMELY LAME. Nothing is going to change after your jaw surgery, even if it makes you much better looking. Any change you want to make happen, just work hard on making it now. Fake it till you make it. I was at an ODD FUTURE concert a few nights ago, and let me tell you, those guys are perhaps the ugliest group of dudes I have ever seen, but they're talented and charismatic and funny and women go wild over them. (I feel another  "cool story, bro" comment coming on from CK! lol) I know it's stupid to compare regular people with rappers --but I'm sorry people, regular doesn't get you very far in life. You wanna have what the top dogs got? You got to be willing to do what the top dogs do.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Jack on August 27, 2012, 10:52:51 AM
yeah, you're a toolbox.

I applaud you CK!
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Marisama on August 27, 2012, 10:59:29 AM
People that are cool don't tell other people they are cool.  I'm really glad I don't know Jack but it's unfortunate that he is on this message board. 
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Jack on August 27, 2012, 11:38:07 AM
haha.
this is probably how jack seems himself:

Gordon Gekko -Greed is Good-.MP4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Muz1OcEzJOs#)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/40/Gordon_Gekko.jpg/220px-Gordon_Gekko.jpg)

well, i'm resolutely socialist, so not quite.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Marisama on August 27, 2012, 12:36:47 PM
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well, i'm resolutely socialist, so not quite.

Not surprising.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: streo on August 27, 2012, 02:41:37 PM
Yeah I'm an atheist as well, and my purpose in life is to live as long as possible and be happy while living out those years.  I briefly saw things as pointless after I saw that religion was a load of nonsense.  This lasted for about 2-3 weeks in total.  Once I formulated that LIVING in and of itself is as purposeful as any religious belief, I became a lot happier!
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: x on November 29, 2012, 03:10:15 AM
God is a sick son of a... well I don't want to offend religious people, but giving me these issues was a pretty cruel move on his part, considering they are no longer purely physical as they now affect me mentally. And that would be ignoring all the poverty and suffering throughout the world from people who have it far worse than myself.

My ego makes me hope to have an opportunity to make an impact on this world (write a groundbreaking novel, or become an acclaimed director with beloved films or something), but I don't know if I have the dedication and talent to do so.

Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: Sharptoys on November 29, 2012, 06:30:02 PM
God is a sick son of a... well I don't want to offend religious people, but giving me these issues was a pretty cruel move on his part, considering they are no longer purely physical as they now affect me mentally.

I can't quite remember if I saw your photos, but if they are the ones I'm thinking of, you should probably see a psychologist.
Title: Re: The pointlessness of everything.
Post by: x on November 29, 2012, 10:53:18 PM
I can't quite remember if I saw your photos, but if they are the ones I'm thinking of, you should probably see a psychologist.
Probably wouldn't be the worst idea.