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General Category => Functional Surgery Questions => Topic started by: Lazlo on June 27, 2013, 10:41:39 PM
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Hey, so I'm beginning to learn A HELL OF A LOT more of all the s**t that go wrong, even at just the orthodontics stage of preparing for surgery, leave alone the surgery itself.
Specifically, you should know that the gums are in a constant state of gingival inflammation the entire time you are in braces. This is VERY bad for your teeth roots/gum health etc. While this should resolve once your braces are taken off (remember min. 6 months AFTER surgery) the longer you have your braces, the worse it is for your overall oral health, not to mention comfort. But while in theory this should all resolve it is WAY WORSE the older you get, i.e. late adolescent or older and if you're an adult, you should be ESPECIALLY CONCERNED.
Let me share my problems: first, my treatment time was dramatically extended due to extractions, in fact an entire 1.5 years. These extractions and closing spaces created horrible problems for me, making my arches smaller, unaesthetic result.
DARK TRIANGLES/SPACES BETWEEN TEETH: if you've had extractions you'll have spaces between the teeth or close to the gum line. These will always fill up with space and you'll have to constantly use one of those little brushes to clean between every tooth. Also they look like s**t and make you look much older.
BUT WAY WORSE: I now have serious periodontal recession. The gum tissue is receding, roots are exposed to bacteria, and are beig damaged. Moreover, remember you can't have a proper teeth cleaning min 1 year after surgery so expect a ton more damage after your surgery and during recovery!!!
Of course those ASSHOLE orthodontists don't tell you about any of this s**t.
I've been told now by several surgeons: maximum time it should take for you to be orthodontically prepared for surgery is 12 -16 months. And if you don't have extractions(WHICH YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE) it should take 12-15 months at the most. Total turnaround time till you're dismanded should be within 2 years.
You're putting your teeth, gums, etc. etc. at serious risk if you don't have an experienced orthodontist who has done hundreds of such cases and understands the need for expedient treatment.
There is no solution for the dark triangles which will require a combination of bonding, gum grafting, and even then may still need veneers, and all of this is even worse for your dental roots, health etc. etc.
The conclusion of this article says orthodontic appliances do not necessarily put you at increased risk for periodontal disease --this is BULLs**t --if you have chronic gingival inflammation and recession for close to 2-3 years WHAT THE FUK DO YOU THINK IS GOING HAPPEN?
Regardless, this article mentions some of the risks and they are SCARY!
http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/401/1/bensonpe6.pdf (http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/401/1/bensonpe6.pdf)
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this is what dark triangles and gum recession look like:
http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dentistrytoday.com/Media/EditLiveJava/0212_Clark_02.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dentistrytoday.com/restorative/6800-qthe-mother-of-all-black-trianglesq-case&h=133&w=200&sz=8&tbnid=K6jMJO0tgA6LrM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=135&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddark%2Btriangles%2Bbetween%2Bteeth%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=dark+triangles+between+teeth&usg=__nuv0sQItVNc9YaoZg_W_ioWZP8Q=&docid=7Clw8IRd0V_I2M&sa=X&ei=OSTNUeHNLK6GyQHiloHwBA&ved=0CDUQ9QEwAw&dur=7 (http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dentistrytoday.com/Media/EditLiveJava/0212_Clark_02.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dentistrytoday.com/restorative/6800-qthe-mother-of-all-black-trianglesq-case&h=133&w=200&sz=8&tbnid=K6jMJO0tgA6LrM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=135&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddark%2Btriangles%2Bbetween%2Bteeth%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=dark+triangles+between+teeth&usg=__nuv0sQItVNc9YaoZg_W_ioWZP8Q=&docid=7Clw8IRd0V_I2M&sa=X&ei=OSTNUeHNLK6GyQHiloHwBA&ved=0CDUQ9QEwAw&dur=7)
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Why can't you clean your teeth properly for a year after surgery?
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I take it you decided against jaw surgery, Lazlo?
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Why can't you clean your teeth properly for a year after surgery?
you can't have a professional dental cleaning done. and if you have gum pockets or recession or tarter buildup a dental hygenist cleaning is the only way to properly address that no matter how much you waterpik, floss, brush, rinse etc. etc.
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I take it you decided against jaw surgery, Lazlo?
No, since I have extractions I NOW HAVE TO HAVE JAW SURGERY.
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Lazio....it's not bad as you put it!
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Lazio....it's not bad as you put it!
it is if you're in your 30s --it makes you predisposed to all this s**t and also extractions make the case worse (bone loss around the sites) etc. etc. just read the article i posted in the original.
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I take it you decided against jaw surgery, Lazlo?
sharptoys, how are your results? are you happy with everything? any compliations? how is sensation? how are the aesthetics? you never really gave us muchof an update.
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I dream of setting my strip mall ortho on fire almost every day
I should have had this done when I was 19-20 >:(
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sharptoys, how are your results? are you happy with everything? any compliations? how is sensation? how are the aesthetics? you never really gave us muchof an update.
And for that I do apologize. No complications so far. Sensation is at 70-80% at my lower lip, and lower (maybe 30-40%) at the tip of my chin, however neither are noticeable or troublesome during day to day activities. TMJ dysfunction is non-existent. Minimal relapse occurred, entirely consistent with condylar remodeling.
I've been--and still am--hesitant to post any concluding remarks because of my fairly high chance of relapse. Describing my situation, even now, feels presumptuous, even arrogant. However, I will say that my aesthetic improvement has been significant and very... encouraging.
I say "encouraging", in particular, because my only aesthetic goal was to look normal--average, typical, ordinary, mediocre. Being known--in thoughts, if not words--as weird, not for my actions, comments or personality, but rather for my appearance (a necessary consequence of my existence) was painful, almost inescapable, for a teenage Sharptoys.
Looking significantly more normal has been immensely satisfying in way that is truly difficult to describe. No, female models and stacks and bags of green are not raining from the sky, but to have the eyes of a new acquaintance pass from a friend's face to yours and back again without that distinct, slightly confused pause... It may seem like a small detail--and it is-- but it's one of many that together form a result I am delighted with.
To be honest, this is probably why I can't relate to members here who feel dissatisfied with looking "merely" average, and desire surgery to address their ostensible aesthetic mediocrity.
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Sharptoys... Happy to hear you feel more comfortable in your skin.
What were your movements surgically?
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What about those permanent retainers they use now?
Some orthos swear by them and some believe they will contribute to tooth loss someday.
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Hey, so I'm beginning to learn A HELL OF A LOT more of all the s**t that go wrong, even at just the orthodontics stage of preparing for surgery, leave alone the surgery itself.
Specifically, you should know that the gums are in a constant state of gingival inflammation the entire time you are in braces. This is VERY bad for your teeth roots/gum health etc. While this should resolve once your braces are taken off (remember min. 6 months AFTER surgery) the longer you have your braces, the worse it is for your overall oral health, not to mention comfort. But while in theory this should all resolve it is WAY WORSE the older you get, i.e. late adolescent or older and if you're an adult, you should be ESPECIALLY CONCERNED.
Yea, I expected this. I had extractions as a child (well early teen), it has it's own downsides for sure, especially in facial development when coupled with headgear, but the gums recover much faster.
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I've wanted you guys to know that the problems to your gums/teeth because of orthodontics are so pervasive that this researcher has developed an ultrasound device which is to be worn like a mouthgard twice daily for 20minutes while you're having orthodontic treatment to strengthen and prevent root damage and bone loss!!!!
I've spoken with him over the phone a few times and he said the device is not quite ready but will be in the next year or so (perhaps too late for us now).
http://www.dentistry.ualberta.ca/en/AboutUs/FacultyStaff/FacultyResearchers/TarekEl-Bialy.aspx (http://www.dentistry.ualberta.ca/en/AboutUs/FacultyStaff/FacultyResearchers/TarekEl-Bialy.aspx)
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Lazio....you need to sue your ortho. As we all do. These orthos need to start to become responsible for all the harm they cause. I would suggest not closing any of the spaces you have between any teeth as that will make your arch even smaller and cramp the tongu and airway more.
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i know what caused this, it was extractions and prolonged braces wear. a max fac who is a professor of an academic department told me this. esp. at our age when recession is something that happens naturally. i have to either have a multisegment lefort or get palatal expansion. either way, my f**king arches are too narrow.
damon braces would have been a much, much, much better option....
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What kills me is that we're finding all this s**t out only now. I mean all of us on this site. The internet has been around for f**king ever and only now do we find how close the correlation is between gum recession(in adults at least) and braces. I'm not saying braces are bad. As every f**king person I've spoken to has said, ortho preparation for SURGERY should take 12-16 months TOPS. Don't have extractions. Those are two simple f**king rules that should have been followed.
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i got to tell you i'm jealous if people who at least started the process off right with a surgeon like marisama who went through the whole thing quite speedily.
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you're still only like 22 or something so parts of you are still actually growing too. in addition, you never had teeth extracted. I'm glad you're doing well. See CK, I know you have things you wish were better about your outcome, but just be grateful too cause there's a s**tload that could have turned out much, much worse. You're braces free now, right?
woah I though CK was like 29. why you so private bro?
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Okay, so braces ARE SO f**kING BAD FOR YOUR TEETH. AND ESPECIALLY EXTRACTIONS AND BRACES CREATE THE PERFECT STORM FOR f**kING UP YOUR JAWBONE AND TEETH ROOTS that the following company has been given several grants to develop an ultrasound mouthguard to be worn 20 minute twice a day the entire time you are braces. The ultrasound prevents the jawbone and teeth roots from getting damaged by the force of the braces.
Unfortunately none of us had this while in braces and the lucky ones escaped without too much damage.
I've spoken to someone at the company and they said it should be commercially available sometime between 8-12 months.
I mean godbless new technologies, but I just wish it was available now or before. Interesting their last trial test is recruiting volunteers specifically who are using braces to close extraction sites, which means while the device is imp. for anyone with braces to prevent damage, those with extractions are at an even greater risk for damage to their jaws from orthodontic treatment.
Here's the company: http://www.smilesonica.com/ (http://www.smilesonica.com/)
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It's funny I have a friend from high school days (and this is not to brag, cause I'm essentially quite poor) but who makes like 2 mill a year as a hedge fund manager in NYC. Also, his dad is the ceo of fortune 500 company. He was in town visiting the other day and I was telling him about the whole ortho debacle and jaw surgery. He has two small kids and I asked him if he was getting them braces. I assumed since he was so wealthy he'd be looking for like the best orthos and s**t and his response was: "Are you joking orthodontistry is the biggest racket in the dental industry. I would never even consider getting my kids braces unless there was a very obvious problem, and even then I'd probably get like five different consultations before choosing one." Clearly that's why he makes the big bucks --just seemed to already know a lot of s**t I'm just realizing.
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I have had braces since March 2010 and had four permanent teeth removed as well as two wisdom teeth in 2011 then double jaw surgery in March of this year.
I am very happy with the outcome of the treatment both in terms of aesthetics and function.
I remember when I got the extractions the middle of my face sunk back and made my under bite more prominent and I hated how I looked because of this. Thankfully the surgery has corrected this and I am now happy with my face (apart from the lingering swelling)
I do have what some people would consider slightly narrow arches, but they are now wider than they ever were so this doesn't bother me at all.
Having had braces for about three and a half years and extractions, would I be at risk of gum recession and developing these black triangles? I am only 22 so could I be at lower risk?
I only started to read into the effects of getting extractions after I got them and I found a lot of negativity surrounding them online so I was really worried about the aesthetic outcome of the surgery but thankfully it turned out okay.
I really hope it works out good for you guys who are getting the surgery. I thought I was destined to have a poor result because I got extractions but at the moment I am happy with it and hopefully you will be too.
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I have had braces since March 2010 and had four permanent teeth removed as well as two wisdom teeth in 2011 then double jaw surgery in March of this year.
I am very happy with the outcome of the treatment both in terms of aesthetics and function.
I remember when I got the extractions the middle of my face sunk back and made my under bite more prominent and I hated how I looked because of this. Thankfully the surgery has corrected this and I am now happy with my face (apart from the lingering swelling)
I do have what some people would consider slightly narrow arches, but they are now wider than they ever were so this doesn't bother me at all.
Having had braces for about three and a half years and extractions, would I be at risk of gum recession and developing these black triangles? I am only 22 so could I be at lower risk?
I only started to read into the effects of getting extractions after I got them and I found a lot of negativity surrounding them online so I was really worried about the aesthetic outcome of the surgery but thankfully it turned out okay.
I really hope it works out good for you guys who are getting the surgery. I thought I was destined to have a poor result because I got extractions but at the moment I am happy with it and hopefully you will be too.
First, you don't know what your results would have been had you not had extractions. You might have had a broader smile, and they could have widened your arch through RPE or SARPE. Second you're VERY young and the body's healing capacities at your age are like 10 times what they are in your 30s so be thankful you got out of it without any obvious damage.
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I know there's been a lot of anxiety caused by these recent revelations (revelations for me as well) regarding what a bunch of c*nts orthodontists are. I sort of wish the world was Salem and orthos were the new witches so they could all be lynched and murdered. Some surgeons are decent, but all orthos are essentially evil because they all prolong this s**t (unless under the direct supervision of a surgeon to kick their ass).
That said, all is not lost and I want to point to sign of optimism. There are new technologies on the horizon that may give us the smiles we've always wanted. I'm officially predicting 2020 to be the date when some of these technologies will actually be on the market. The oldest among us will still be only in our early 40s by 2020 which is still pretty young these days!
http://www.dentalaegis.com/id/2012/04/what-is-the-latest-thinking-in-dental-stem-cell-research (http://www.dentalaegis.com/id/2012/04/what-is-the-latest-thinking-in-dental-stem-cell-research)
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I strongly recommend every one give up eating the western diet and turn to eating the PRIMAL or PALEOLITHIC DIET.
Ancient peoples did not suffer from tooth decay and had large beautifully formed arches. As Mike Tyson says: If you knew better, you'd do better. And now you know!
http://www.examiner.com/article/new-health-trend-focuses-on-remineralizing-tooth-decay (http://www.examiner.com/article/new-health-trend-focuses-on-remineralizing-tooth-decay)
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All hail the PRIMAL DIET!!!!!
We must all go on the paleo/primal diet and eat bone marrow and big fat gobules of butter oil(look it up) mixed with fermented cod liver oil!
Nature has provided the solution to our problems, not science, not technology! We have the capacity within us to heal ourselves!!!
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.ca/2009/03/reversing-tooth-decay.html (http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.ca/2009/03/reversing-tooth-decay.html)
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Okay, I'm going to do an experiment. Month of July instead of the detox I proposed previously is going to be entirely paleo/primal diet. I'm going to supplement with COQ10, cod-liver/butter oil blend, no grains or coffee and a s**t load and see if my gum recession improves or whatever.
Really, really interesting stuff: did you know maories etc. had no tooth decay?
http://www.examiner.com/article/many-indigenous-people-who-never-brush-their-teeth-also-never-get-tooth-decay (http://www.examiner.com/article/many-indigenous-people-who-never-brush-their-teeth-also-never-get-tooth-decay)
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i got to tell you i'm jealous if people who at least started the process off right with a surgeon like marisama who went through the whole thing quite speedily.
I just came across this thread. My journey to fix all this was not quick by any means. I've had braces 3 times and the third time has been the charm. I had braces at 14 for two years, 21 for two years, and now 27 for 18 months. That's a hell of a long time in braces! I'm almost done with this whole journey. The only thing left for me is some type of nasal surgery to improve my breathing through my left nostril that was somehow messed up during surgery. Hopefully this is a quick fix!
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Ryan....what is going to be done to your left nostril?
Is it a bone or turbinate issue?
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I'm going to find out more during my next appointment next month when final x-rays are taken. It's weird, my left nasal base sort of collapses if i purse my lips and nose. It's not easy to describe. It's like I don't have the support for my left nostril. I have difficulty breathing through my left nostril because of this. I'd say it's my only complaint I have, which is a miracle to say the least. After x-rays are taken, I'm told we'll be able to decide if a turbinectomy or a septoplasty is necessary. I'm not able to fully appreciate the benefits of a larger airway because of this so I'm really looking forward to fixing this once I hit 1 year post-op this fall.
I'm also planning to do some cosmetic dentistry at the 1 year mark.
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I'm going to find out more during my next appointment next month when final x-rays are taken. It's weird, my left nasal base sort of collapses if i purse my lips and nose. It's not easy to describe. It's like I don't have the support for my left nostril. I have difficulty breathing through my left nostril because of this. I'd say it's my only complaint I have, which is a miracle to say the least. After x-rays are taken, I'm told we'll be able to decide if a turbinectomy or a septoplasty is necessary. I'm not able to fully appreciate the benefits of a larger airway because of this so I'm really looking forward to fixing this once I hit 1 year post-op this fall.
I'm also planning to do some cosmetic dentistry at the 1 year mark.
Ryan, do you know what sort of cosmetic dentistry you need? Like is it to fix black squares between teeth or spaces? I'm just curious.
A septoplasty, jesus, that's a full out nose job.
By the way, if your nostril is collapsing it may require putting grafts (usually bone) in the nostril --I don't think it's a huge deal.
There must be some sort of dark planet casting it's shadow over this forum right now. It's like we're imploding.
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Ryan....is Dr. Gunson deciding what needs to be done? Has he seen you since this has been a problem?
What was done during surgery that causes this condition?
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Ryan....is Dr. Gunson deciding what needs to be done? Has he seen you since this has been a problem?
What was done during surgery that causes this condition?
It hasn't been decided yet. Like I said, we'll know more once we get a better look from the x-rays next month. I've read some negative things about turbinectomies and haven't done much research on septoplasties either. Lazlo's comment about bone grafting is something I haven't heard of so I'll bring that up with the Dr.
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Ryan, do you know what sort of cosmetic dentistry you need? Like is it to fix black squares between teeth or spaces? I'm just curious.
A septoplasty, jesus, that's a full out nose job.
By the way, if your nostril is collapsing it may require putting grafts (usually bone) in the nostril --I don't think it's a huge deal.
There must be some sort of dark planet casting it's shadow over this forum right now. It's like we're imploding.
My Father-in-Law is a dentist so I might as well get something more permanent for my "originally pegged" lateral bi-cuspids. I've since had bonding, once before surgery and again now that braces are off. I did this as a quick fix to close the gaps that the multisegment created. I also didn't want the gaps to naturally close and wanted to maintain a wide smile. He recommended veneers for my front 6 teeth. He's going to retire any day now so I need to act quickly.
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My Father-in-Law is a dentist so I might as well get something more permanent for my "originally pegged" lateral bi-cuspids. I've since had bonding, once before surgery and again now that braces are off. I did this as a quick fix to close the gaps that the multisegment created. I also didn't want the gaps to naturally close and wanted to maintain a wide smile. He recommended veneers for my front 6 teeth. He's going to retire any day now so I need to act quickly.
the multisegment creates gaps? do you mean at each of the osteotomy sites? i suppose that means they are quite large.
i suppose if your father in law is recommending veneers they can't be that bad. when you smiled in your last pic, your smile looked wide and good and your teeth look really good, i personally don't think you need veneers....
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Well I should have been told this. I just found it on a paper about extractions. pretty much explains my problems:
" Without the tooth, the level of bone is
also reduced in height on the teeth adjacent to the site of the extraction. As the
bone goes down, the gums go down with it. The net result is some gum recession
and newly exposed root surfaces on the side of the teeth facing the empty space
where the tooth was extracted."
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Okay, people, well I just had my ortho appointment --some important information here:
I brought my father by the way and very calmly explained my issues to my ortho. The ortho hardly let me speak and he completely flipped out.
I mean he like began yelling at the top of his lungs. "you've been questioning my plan from the beginning! i'm threw with this! you don't pay me enough to constantly have to be explaining things to you! these people (i.e. Schendel/Jacobson/Arnett/Keller at the Mayo clinic/Dr. C chair of a top university dept. ) who say you didn't need extractions don't know what they're talking about! Your gum recession is caused by poor oral hygiene not the braces! (I floss, brush twice a day, full dental cleaning every 3 months))"
I mean he caused a scene. My poor father or I couldn't get a word in edgewise.
After some back and forth I tried to pin him down on specific questions.
Me: "will these dark spaces that I never had between all my teeth actually close and be filled with gum tissue. I never had this before braces or extractions, they've only developed in the last year despite immaculate oral hygiene."
Ortho: "No, that's gum recession. How old are you again? It's completely normal to have that much gum recession, I have it as well."
Me: "no you don't I can see you don't."
Ortho: "well I don't have it as much as you. blah blah"
Me: "Okay, I just want straightforward answers to my questions. First, you can't close the dark spaces?"
Ortho: "No a periodontist will have to try and fill them with gum grafts, after surgery."
Me: "Okay, when will I be ready for surgery. The last surgeon I spoke with said it's ridiculous that I've been in braces for 2.7 years"
Ortho: "You should be ready in a couple of months."
Me: "How long will I have to be in braces after surgery?"
Ortho: "2-3 months"
Me: "What!? Everyone says 6 months minimum!!??
Ortho: "No not at all. Since we're setting up the teeth correctly now. You'll only have to be in braces for 2-3 months afterwards."
Me: "What if I have an expander put in?"
Ortho: "That will be in for a couple of months, tops. We can also do nonsurgical expansion."
Me: "What!? I didn't know there was a thing as nonsurgical expansion for adults!? How many cases of double jaw advancement have you actually done?"
Ortho: "It's been in testing for 2 years, I know now that it works. We can expand without surgery. Whatever we do we'll have you out of braces in 4-6 months from now. I've done tons of cases."
So do with this exchange what you will. I mean I am completely flabbergasted and confused. Non-surgical expansion is now available!!!????
Gives a ton of f**king credence to all those orthotropic or whatever they're called alternative guys who say they can do nonsurgical expansion. Apparently it can be done.
What I am especially astounded by is this ortho's completely outlandish claims that he will debrace me 2-3 months after surgery!!! What the f**k!? I mean I want this to be true.
On July 4th I see the surgeon here, he's an okay guy and good surgeon from all accounts even though I'm not necessarily going to have surgery with him. He does work with this ortho consistently. I'll bring this all up with the surgeon. If anything he says contradicts the ortho I mean then I've been dealing with a complete f**king psychopath.
Again, my ortho is not some stripmall guy. He's suppossed to be one of the best in our province. But if he's wrong on these very specific things he's been saying well then he's a complete quack. Let's see.
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Another thing came to mind. If non-surgical expansion CAN be done in adults (and I remember reading a paper about this recently but I kind of just ignored it) it means the entire philosophy behind DAMON braces is absolutely correct despite the fact that most orthos say DAMON braces are bulls**t.
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My absolutely last negative comment: HOLY f**k orthodontics is a f**king BULLs**t f**kED UP FIELD.
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The 4 month thing may be correct. My ortho said he won't change wires in a bit, but from the moment hell start (August or September) he thinks,now, 2 months are enough.
Lazio, ill pm you tomorrow, now it's late and I've hade a long day! Cheers
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Are the Damon braces much better than the regular? Im curious...
hahaha
I think Damon braces are. They're more of an orthodontic philosophy in that they heavily promote non-extraction (or I should say orthos who use them). Also, they have claimed that they can perform slight expansion which most orthos said is impossible(in adults) and now we're beginning to learn within mainstream orthodontics that it is indeed possible. They have greater precision to move individual teeth. They have much smaller brackets which only need wire change every couple of months and they exert much, much less pressure on the teeth while still moving them, and on average treatment time is about 6 months less than traditional orthodontics. They are more expensive but who gives a s**t. So yeah, they're a lot better.
I read about them the day after I had my braces put on and paid the 3 grand deposit. I was very, very close to switching because they sounded so incredibly much better. I even called the ortho do make an appointment to switch. But then I was like "what a waste of money to do this," and my own ortho kept saying damon was bulls**t. Now that I am experiencing all the troubles you have no idea how much I wish I had indeed switched to the damon braces.
Two thing learned: always go with your gut/never, ever, ever, ever give the slightest concern for money when anything even remotely related to your health is concerned/and do extensive research....
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"two things I've learned: always go with your gut/never,ever, ever give the slightest concern for money when anything even remotely related to your health is concerned/ and do extensive research.
So true!! Always get other opinions. Don't be intimidated or bullied. Dr's egos are often out of control and that comes before an open mind to other ways of doing things or any admission or wrongdoing.
Don't ever just take their word for anything.
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And if you don't have extractions(WHICH YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE)
http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/401/1/bensonpe6.pdf (http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/401/1/bensonpe6.pdf)
WHAAT?! My orthodontist wants take out two of my upper teeth to stop my front teeth from flaring (they need extra space for an unknown reason)?!!! Is that wrong? I'm afraid now :/, I'm only 16 by the way, if that has anything to do with it.
They want to take the tooth that's dead and after a root canal treatment + one with the biggest filling :l
Also will I have to worry about the gum recession? They're expecting for me to be out of braces by the time I'm 18 i.e. 2 years.
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don't worry about gum recession, try to avoid extraction.
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WHAAT?! My orthodontist wants take out two of my upper teeth to stop my front teeth from flaring (they need extra space for an unknown reason)?!!! Is that wrong? I'm afraid now :/, I'm only 16 by the way, if that has anything to do with it.
They want to take the tooth that's dead and after a root canal treatment + one with the biggest filling :l
Also will I have to worry about the gum recession? They're expecting for me to be out of braces by the time I'm 18 i.e. 2 years.
don't get extractions --it's okay if your teeth are flared, get a few other opinions.
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Just stumbled upon this old thread of yours Lazlo. Might be interesting for you to re-read in light of your 3-piece surgery planned.
As to your comments, I can attest. I've only been in braces for 1mo and my gums are CONSTANTLY inflamed and tender. It's not a matter of hygiene, I'm ridiculously clean and generally keep a low carb diet. I have the advantage that I'm using Invisalign and can easily take them off to actually clean my teeth. I'm getting blood from low pressure Waterpik DAILY. Fortunately, it's only happening between the maxillary 2nd molars and wisdom teeth and they're coming out on Friday. The rest aren't as terrible. But my total time in braces is only 12mo, except apparently I need to wait 9mo after the wisdom teeth come out before I can have surgery. I'm wondering if sitting in my last trays for 4mo is going to be a problem. I'm still dubious about the Damon claims, however it's nice to know that having such a provider also implies that you won't get an extraction recommendation. 3M and other companies make self-ligating brackets too, like Invisalign I hear they have some limitations in what they can accomplish.