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Title: Bone remodeling to correct maxillary deficiency after growth cessation
Post by: Moon Pix 1985 on May 29, 2014, 03:28:33 PM
http://www.njms.in/article.asp?issn=0975-5950;year=2012;volume=3;issue=2;spage=202;epage=206;aulast=Showkatbakhsh (http://www.njms.in/article.asp?issn=0975-5950;year=2012;volume=3;issue=2;spage=202;epage=206;aulast=Showkatbakhsh)
Title: Re: Bone remodeling to correct maxillary deficiency after growth cessation
Post by: Moon Pix 1985 on May 29, 2014, 03:31:05 PM
http://www.njms.in/article.asp?issn=0975-5950;year=2012;volume=3;issue=2;spage=202;epage=206;aulast=Showkatbakhsh (http://www.njms.in/article.asp?issn=0975-5950;year=2012;volume=3;issue=2;spage=202;epage=206;aulast=Showkatbakhsh)

I am currently trying to see whether or not by raising my tongue position I can remodel my facial bones. I am aware that its possible to develop new bone by lifting weights, even in the elderly, so if the maxilla is subjected to increased pressure coming from the tongue I see no reason that it too cannot develop.
Title: Re: Bone remodeling to correct maxillary deficiency after growth cessation
Post by: benton123 on May 30, 2014, 05:19:28 AM
develop new bone by lifting weights

do yu have a source for that? i know you can slow down bone degradation aand osteororosis in elderly women, but bone growth seems a bit far fetched.
Title: Re: Bone remodeling to correct maxillary deficiency after growth cessation
Post by: benton123 on May 30, 2014, 05:26:17 AM
You may also want to take a look at this.

Resetting My Jaw- modern melting faces By Dr. Mike Mew (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvoX_wEtwDk#ws)

He apparently changed his facial structure but it took him about 7 years.
Title: Re: Bone remodeling to correct maxillary deficiency after growth cessation
Post by: pekay on May 30, 2014, 06:01:27 AM
I don't see how trusting your tongue against the roof of your mouth can benefit you in any shape or form.
Title: Re: Bone remodeling to correct maxillary deficiency after growth cessation
Post by: backward lowerjaw on May 30, 2014, 01:44:20 PM
up the age of 9 it would, then from 9 to around 15 it would be through appliances.  This is why Professor John Mew does not use orthrotropics on a grown adult only on under 9's to make changes to the facial structure especially for forward growth
Title: Re: Bone remodeling to correct maxillary deficiency after growth cessation
Post by: Moon Pix 1985 on May 30, 2014, 02:27:10 PM
develop new bone by lifting weights

do yu have a source for that? i know you can slow down bone degradation aand osteororosis in elderly women, but bone growth seems a bit far fetched.

http://www.unm.edu/~lkravitz/Article%20folder/bonemass.html (http://www.unm.edu/~lkravitz/Article%20folder/bonemass.html)

"High intensity resistance exercise also resulted in a significant increase in bone mineral density of the greater trochanter for both men and women. However, only men achieved the added result of a significant increase in lumbar spine bone mineral density. High-intensity resistance training resulted in significant increases in lean mass (8.1% for women and 3.2% for men), strength, and peak force for both men and women as well. Again, there were no significant changes in IGF-I for either gender which reemphasizes the probability that physical stress was responsible for the increases in bone mass."
Title: Re: Bone remodeling to correct maxillary deficiency after growth cessation
Post by: Moon Pix 1985 on May 30, 2014, 02:30:22 PM
I don't see how trusting your tongue against the roof of your mouth can benefit you in any shape or form.

Well...it will be an interesting experiment. As I say I understand that bone adapts to increased stress placed on it it in the same way that muscle does, namely by building itself up to adapt to the added stress. If this is true for bone in the arms and spine and so on I see no reason that it would not also be true of facial bone.

Also maybe chewing harder things can increase jaw size. From my reading I have discovered that the masseter muscle is connected to the zygoma as well as the mandible. Maybe the cheekbones can be increased in width if the masseter is exercised enough.
Title: Re: Bone remodeling to correct maxillary deficiency after growth cessation
Post by: PloskoPlus on May 30, 2014, 03:02:38 PM
Bone density is not bone length or cross section.
Title: Re: Bone remodeling to correct maxillary deficiency after growth cessation
Post by: benton123 on May 30, 2014, 03:21:08 PM
You can increase masseter size via bruxism, but i don't think it's something you should be going for.

ex.
http://www.njms.in/article.asp?issn=0975-5950;year=2011;volume=2;issue=1;spage=96;epage=99;aulast=Singh (http://www.njms.in/article.asp?issn=0975-5950;year=2011;volume=2;issue=1;spage=96;epage=99;aulast=Singh)
Title: Re: Bone remodeling to correct maxillary deficiency after growth cessation
Post by: Ben on May 30, 2014, 08:55:59 PM
I've been doing it for a year and haven't noticed anything. I think this is more of a life time thing 10 years + and then you might not notice but it might appear that your not aging so fast because your face isn't prone to collapsing so much as you age.
Title: Re: Bone remodeling to correct maxillary deficiency after growth cessation
Post by: Moon Pix 1985 on May 31, 2014, 07:15:16 AM
Well I'm assuming that my case is pretty bad because when I raise my tongue position it actually folds back on itself. The tongue touches the palate but its the back of the tongue.  :(