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General Category => Functional Surgery Questions => Topic started by: Mark505 on December 29, 2014, 03:04:34 AM
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I'd need his email and yes, I've googled and searched trough this forum and I found nothing.
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I sent you PM
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I sent you PM
Might i have it as well ?
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Just from an analysis of the various papers and pics circulating around I would say Obwegeser is the most advanced max fac out there. What tipped me off is that he mentions Tessier's protocols for moving bone segments of the face, that means he's pretty well versed in craniofacial strategies to improve the facial bone structure --while most max-facs technically have this under their belt, they don't really practice it, Obwegeser clearly does, and effectively. Too bad he doesn't take north american patients.
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yes.. so explain me why he could not help me :)
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yes.. so explain me why he could not help me :)
interesting, i'm not familiar with your case, but maybe he didn't want to for a personal reason?
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Does he take patients with dual citizenship? Im from Canada but I also have a Polish citizenship because my parents were born there.
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I think in private clinics it is not an issue. They do not bother where you come from, where you live. Important is how much money you have :)
I know about Obwegeser too little. Some people here had consultation with him. They can answer.
I'm little dissapointed what he did during my initial consultation via mail, when I was trying to make an appoitment with him.
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Yeah there's something off here. I know Earl said that he said he only takes European patients. I don't think Poland is considered Europe.
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Yeah there's something off here. I know Earl said that he said he only takes European patients. I don't think Poland is considered Europe.
Poland is in the middle of Europe, you moron :) ....relatively close to Switzerland.
He answered me when he knew I was from Poland. Everytime I write to a surgeon I tell him that I'm from Poland and I could not find help there.
He did not answer after I told him that I would like to have ION decompression too.
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Poland is in the middle of Europe, you moron :) ....relatively close to Switzerland.
He answered me when he knew I was from Poland. Everytime I write to a surgeon I tell him that I'm from Poland and I could not find help there.
He did not answer after I told him that I would like to have ION decompression too.
I was joking! lol
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So is it basically accepted that Obwegeser is the best in Europe, and Arnett and Gunson are the best in the USA?
This is what I've been seeing when browsing the forum...
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So is it basically accepted that Obwegeser is the best in Europe, and Arnett and Gunson are the best in the USA?
This is what I've been seeing when browsing the forum...
Arnett and Gunson are very highly regarded, but trust me they have a ton of f**k-up cases as well. No one when it comes to this crap-shoot of a surgery is the "best" I would say, but if you wanna stack your odds they're up there. Obwegeser is just a wild card and basically this all started cause one person ages ago posted some pics of surgery he did where one of the chick's looked really good in her after pic and apparently he did an orbital rim repositioning on her. So that started all the talk of him on this board. We all have no idea, it's just speculation.
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So is it basically accepted that Obwegeser is the best in Europe, and Arnett and Gunson are the best in the USA?
This is what I've been seeing when browsing the forum...
Best... for what? I'm not entirely convinced by A/G - they don't do SAPRE, high Le Forts, chin wings, cheekbone osteotomies. Their aesthetics are heavily biased by the ante-face. They push HA paste augmentation, which IMO is borderline BS. OTOH, people have seen them just for a plan to take to their local surgeon/ortho and have been satisfied. And even they have had dissatisfied patients.
Obwegesser repeatedly states that BSSO "improves gonial angles", when it absolutely does not. But that blonde class III girl he performed a modified Le Fort III on is like the best class III before and after I've ever seen (the other cases in the same paper are meh).
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there is no the best surgeon. Only worse or better, cheaper or much more expensive. Noone ever give you 100% that everythng will be ok .... This is my opinion
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@Plosko - best as in the most competent. I know that there are risks with any surgeons but there are definitely surgeons who are better like the top 1%.
They have more experience and because of this, surgeries would most likely go smoother no?
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@Plosko - best as in the most competent. I know that there are risks with any surgeons but there are definitely surgeons who are better like the top 1%.
They have more experience and because of this, surgeries would most likely go smoother no?
The more surgeries, the better. (Although, who knows, when a surgeon does too many, he may simply stop caring and become sloppy).
However, what I really meant was that even so-called top surgeons do not do every procedure under the sun. For example, while the chin wing is one awesome procedure, even top American surgeons don't do it. You can only have it done in Europe. (FWIW, my gut feeling is that in general Euro max facs are more cutting edge).
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OK does more expensive always means better :) ?
I have to choose between 2 surgeons ;) Both have good opinions. But one is 3x times more expensive then other . Both have almost the same surgical plan and almost the same risk calculations ;)
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One user here told me that, France has shurely some good maxfac surgeons. Its the root of craniofacial surgery in the whole world.
Have you heard about some very good maxfac surgeons from France. ?
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One user here told me that, France has shurely some good maxfac surgeons. Its the root of craniofacial surgery in the whole world.
Have you heard about some very good maxfac surgeons from France. ?
Tessier pioneered the le fort iii and much of craniifacial surgery. He passed away more than 5 years ago. Look up who studied under him, coauthored papers with him.
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Thx. I tried. It's hard to find something. Most researches he had much earlier. In France in 40' 50' 60' then he went to America....
Many surgeons only just reference to his publications, nothing more.
Perhaps someone can help me in searching ;)
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Thx. I tried. It's hard to find something. Most researches he had much earlier. In France in 40' 50' 60' then he went to America....
Many surgeons only just reference to his publications, nothing more.
Perhaps someone can help me in searching ;)
Perhaps you should search for good craniofacial surgeons as well, not just max facs.
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I'm looking for only craniofacial surgeons :) I even had consultations face to face with only craniofacial ones
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any tips on how I should go about and contacting Obwesseger? It seems like he doesn't really reply to emails, and I'd like to say the right things so that we could communicate.
Also, if you want to get surgery overseas, do you have to fly there and have a consult or can you just send all the information and then go once for a surgery?
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Get his another mail adress from here: http://www.eurofaces.com/index.php?id=55
He uses about 3 addresses. Another option is to phone his secretary. Use Google to find where he actually works
Keep in mind also he is very busy (however I used to wait for answers no more than 2-3 days)
Ooops wait a minute we have Hugo and Joachim ??? You mean probably Joachim ?
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to be honest, I never knew there were two Dr. Owegessers. The one that did the lefort III on that girl...
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to be honest, I never knew there were two Dr. Owegessers. The one that did the lefort III on that girl...
Hugo is Joachim's uncle. He petty much invented modern jaw surgery. He'd be too old to operate now.
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Hugo is Joachim's uncle. He petty much invented modern jaw surgery. He'd be too old to operate now.
So I'm assuming that Joachim is still in action?
Should I hold of emailing him until I get a ceph/CT Scan etc?
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So I'm assuming that Joachim is still in action?
Should I hold of emailing him until I get a ceph/CT Scan etc?
Yes, he is still working.
Personally, I wouldn't bother anyone without the above.
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Terry you are gona have lefort 2 or 3 ?
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Well honestly. Depends. If I can find a surgeon willing to do some kind lefort III then I most likely will.
First I'm going to have a consultation with a craniofacial surgeon who's my friends dad and get a honest opinion. I'd get a lefort 1 but esthetically my mid face would be non-existant.
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Surgery in Switzerland just got 30% more expensive if you're paying with euro since Switzerland just scrapped the minimum exchange rate. As if it wasn't expensive enough over there. :o