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General Category => Functional Surgery Questions => Topic started by: KronosAlphason on April 16, 2015, 01:23:59 PM
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I started facepulling November 2012 using a headgear device I created myself. I pulled 30 minutes everyday for 15 months, using moderate upward/forward force. I noticed changes almost right away, in only a few months I had closed my bite (I had an underbite) and my face transformed a lot in general.
Now however I've run into a problem. About a few months or so I've had this pain in the face. It's a searing type of pain that doesn't really ever go away.
I am worried that it is the face pulling that triggered it, however, the fact that it never hurt like this once during the actual treatment and coupled with the fact that this pain appeared long after I desisted the pulling makes this unclear. There are many factors that can contribute to my facial pain, but what do you think, have I caused irreperable damage in some way?
Also, I've experienced a loss of taste recently, could this also be a consequence of the facepulling or is something else? I'm praying for a deviated septum or something like that.
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I can't tell if this is a troll. In case it's not, you should absolutely not be doing something like this to yourself. If you really want it done, then shop around. It may take 20 orthodontists but eventually you'll find one who knows slightly more than you about it.
Regarding your questions, I doubt 30min a day is likely to have done anything to your bones except possibly move them around. A light force 23 hours a day over a decade might be another story. I would think if you stopped face pulling and you were fine then it's probably unrelated. I don't see how your sense of taste could be affected by it. Get a surgeon to image the nerve and see if it's being compressed somewhere.
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I've tried the face pulling too and it worked but, if you don't do this constantly- your face will go back to it's "original" state. In regards to the pain, you're possibly doing it too aggressively. Bones tend to bend or "shape" with consistent pressure that's moderate. If you over-do it, you won't gain the max. I thought pulling hard would get me my results faster but, after researching and speaking with a few docs, I realized what I was doing was totally wrong.
Anyhow, I think the face pulling helped some but, didn't fully fix my issues. I got tired of it and it got to the point where I wasn't seeing more changes so, I stopped.
If your sense of taste and the pain is too much, I would stop the face pulling routine and see if that's the variable.
Deviated septum? That's usually due to an asymmetry issue- you def. don't want that.
Hi fellow facepuller
The thing is these symptoms started long after I quit facepulling, and I rather have something that can be fixed than some chronic pain caused by facepulling
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Lots of people doing it, doesn't make it a great idea. If your face won't stop hurting maybe see a doctor??
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What?! Does that really work?! I've read about that, didn't really believe in it.
Did it change the bones on your entire face? Just curious, I'm not planing to do that.
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does it actually work though?
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I don't see how this would be of any benefit in adults.
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apparently you can expand palates non surgically in adults it just takes longer so i can see the logic behind moving the whole maxilla but its easier said than done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCNqbvOALZI here is Dr. Mike Mew talking about it with photo evidence.
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the guy is working on methods for non surgical maxillary advancement combining NCR, face pulling and a system of chewing gummies apparently there is a dentist in japan who has achieved movements in adults.
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Nonsense
I promise
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i believe it.
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Lol DIY jaw surgery.
I'll stand on my head and hope my face shortens itself by an inch.
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come on guys, do you seriously believe this?
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come on guys, do you seriously believe this?
No.
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No.
thank god! what has this place become? Why was i banned?
I am one of the few serious posters, who actually got s**t done, i give valuable advice and i am kind to every user, and i get banned every time for trivial stuff (i posted links to other boards...).
Ban the crazy users !!!
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I belive in long term palatal expansion. I haven't made my mind up about face pulling though.
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Im saving up for an online consult with Mew, im an orthodontically camo'd class 2 with no extractions. Im thinking adult palate expansion some facepulling/ncr (even though the latter is questionable but f**k it I'll give it a shot) and finally imdo for my lower jaw so i can get maximum palatle expansion and not have to worry about lower jaw being too small for even though i have inward tipped lower teeth and could get away with a little lower expansion
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I belive in long term palatal expansion. I haven't made my mind up about face pulling though.
How long is long term? Anyway, extraordinary claims (adult expansion) require extraordinary proof. Mew has provided none.
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Apparently Mew isnt the only one doing this
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though i have inward tipped lower teeth and could get away with a little lower expansion
What is the typical treatment for inward tipped teeth? Do braces fix it?
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What is the typical treatment for inward tipped teeth? Do braces fix it?
a lower arch expander (they only work moderately in growing children because there is no suture in the mandible)
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How about some b/a pics, op? :3
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a lower arch expander (they only work moderately in growing children because there is no suture in the mandible)
But what about for a adult, then?
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Sorry i ment for actually expanding the arch, the lower epxander won't do that for you it just tips teeth
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So even on an adult, and expander can tip the teeth from being retroclined (tipped inwards) to having a normal 'flare'?
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So even on an adult, and expander can tip the teeth from being retroclined (tipped inwards) to having a normal 'flare'?
yes
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Not that I am of any help in regard to OP's question, but I do 100% believe face pulling can work. I would be doing it now if it weren't for the fact that I'm considering a type of midfacial surgery and don't want it to accidentally be too effective and push me outside the realm of what a surgeon would consider worth operating on.
NCR is in my mind a bit more doubtful. I would only ever pay for that if the practitioner agreed to taking surgical before and afters, and if no changes occured I would not be made to pay.
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OP, how many mms would you say your maxilla came forward from facepulling?
2-3 mm at most, but still
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again, this before and after is total bs. the lens type and shot scale create the shortened appearance of the face, not some sort of surgery. the soft lighting is creating the fullness under the eyes. this is not a reliable index of any procedure.
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the orthotropists working on developing face pulling suggest much longer times than 30minutes and in order to get results you have to have perfect toung lip and teeth posture the rest of the time other wise you are just canceling out any movement you get
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the guy from the tmj jaw treatment page didnt get his biscupids pulled.
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again, this before and after is total bs. the lens type and shot scale create the shortened appearance of the face, not some sort of surgery. the soft lighting is creating the fullness under the eyes. this is not a reliable index of any procedure.
exactly.
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exactly.
thank you someone with a brain.
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Not that I am of any help in regard to OP's question, but I do 100% believe face pulling can work. I would be doing it now if it weren't for the fact that I'm considering a type of midfacial surgery and don't want it to accidentally be too effective and push me outside the realm of what a surgeon would consider
What kind of midface surgery if I'm allowed to ask?
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the whole NCR making cheekbones pop is bulls**t. The only thing i could see NCR doing is loosening the suture, so that FP is more effective. But really, who knows. No one has studied this s**t, its all heresay.
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the whole NCR making cheekbones pop is bulls**t. The only thing i could see NCR doing is loosening the suture, so that FP is more effective. But really, who knows. No one has studied this s**t, its all heresay.
I agree. I am skeptical. It seems pretty easy to "prove it works" with a before and after ct scan. I mean the dna appliance and homeblock atleast show ct scans before and after.
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I agree. I am skeptical. It seems pretty easy to "prove it works" with a before and after ct scan. I mean the dna appliance and homeblock atleast show ct scans before and after.
Exactly. Only condition I would ever hand over money for this is if after it all scans and photographs could prove changes.
I read through the entire NCR / facepulling board and the picture quality was total s**t. "Earl quality" some might say ;D
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Why're you laughing at my misfortune? I was desperate and lots of people are doing it
I laughed because only a complete MORON would pull their own face to the point that it changes shape. I hope your problems resolve, but seriously dude this was a bad idea.
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The only way to prove if anything works is with a CT Scan. Photos on the most part are useless, unless there are real movements over 3mm.