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General Category => Functional Surgery Questions => Topic started by: Lazlo on April 16, 2013, 11:29:15 PM
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apparently this doc does it:
http://www.cosmetic-surgeon.com/newport-beach-cheekbone-surgery-orange-county.html (http://www.cosmetic-surgeon.com/newport-beach-cheekbone-surgery-orange-county.html)
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it's weird if you read this guy's bio he's a plastic surgeon, but also was a senior craniofacial surgeon/fellow or something
at the mayo clinic and he does jaw surgery too but is not actually a maxillofacial surgeon. i guess craniofacial surgeons are trained
in jaw surgery too? i don't understand it.....
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this guy had bi-max + rhino and a cheekbone osteotomy done
(http://i.imgur.com/lOYuVAX.jpg)
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this guy had bi-max + rhino and a cheekbone osteotomy done
(http://i.imgur.com/lOYuVAX.jpg)
What options does that guy have to make his tear trough depression less pronounced?
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I can see that his ckeebones look better. As for tear troughs I think HA grafting could have improved the area, but his results all around are fantastic.
He seriously lucked out with a great rhino. But he had a narrow bridge and relatively think skin before hand so that helps with results. Also his surgeon clearly opted for a less "done" look. Honestly rhino is such a crapshoot I wound't "expect" such natural looking results. Like if you look at the few examples on Dr. bailey's site, his rhinos are f**kING HORRIBLE.
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I don't know about that...I mean his rhinoplasty. I read your thread on mid-face shortening and found it very interesting. This is something I have been studying for a long time, long before I saw your thread. Notice how this guy's upper lip was elongated dramatically post-op - look at the profile pic especially. Nowadays the really good rhinoplasty specialists consider this as a sign of bad rhinoplasty. I understand why most people we'll disagree with me on this, but to me he looks better pre-op overall. His cheeks were fine before, flat, which is a very desirable quality in men. After surgery, I think his soft tissue changed somewhat unfavorably, and the tear troughs combined with his much longer upper lip almost offsets the aesthetic benefits of the jaw surgery. Besides, honestly, I think his nose was fine before surgery. Strong, masculine nose, even if not perfectly straight. Go to Paris on a men's fashion show, and you'll see so many fashion models with that or similar type of nose. I'm not saying they are the norm, far from it, but you'll see this type of nose on some very beautiful men. We're not in the 1980s anymore, aesthetic has changed for male noses (and female as well).
His face looked wider and more masculine before as well. It's almost like he had reduction malar osteotomy, and not augmentation. His nasolabial folds improved though, because of the forward movement of the upper jaw, I guess.
Who was the doctor in this case? By the way, who's Bailey?
And by all means guys, please post other pictures of malar osteotomy. I have been thinking about it as they told me it's a simple 20-min procedure and will not take the surgeon's attention away from my jaw, but this is the first and only case I've seen. Of course, if grafts are used, then it will take longer...And I was told recovery is simple. So if it adds 20 minutes to my jaw surgery, I may be willing to do it. But not before I see any picture evidence that it is worth it.
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surgeon was Dr Augusto Pary
I keep trying to find his CV online but no luck plus I don't even think he is a plastic surgeon only an oral and maxillofacial surgeon. He also does otoplasty and rhinos which is questionable practice (assuming he is only a DMD)
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I don't know about that...I mean his rhinoplasty. I read your thread on mid-face shortening and found it very interesting. This is something I have been studying for a long time, long before I saw your thread. Notice how this guy's upper lip was elongated dramatically post-op - look at the profile pic especially. Nowadays the really good rhinoplasty specialists consider this as a sign of bad rhinoplasty. I understand why most people we'll disagree with me on this, but to me he looks better pre-op overall. His cheeks were fine before, flat, which is a very desirable quality in men. After surgery, I think his soft tissue changed somewhat unfavorably, and the tear troughs combined with his much longer upper lip almost offsets the aesthetic benefits of the jaw surgery. Besides, honestly, I think his nose was fine before surgery. Strong, masculine nose, even if not perfectly straight. Go to Paris on a men's fashion show, and you'll see so many fashion models with that or similar type of nose. I'm not saying they are the norm, far from it, but you'll see this type of nose on some very beautiful men. We're not in the 1980s anymore, aesthetic has changed for male noses (and female as well).
His face looked wider and more masculine before as well. It's almost like he had reduction malar osteotomy, and not augmentation. His nasolabial folds improved though, because of the forward movement of the upper jaw, I guess.
Who was the doctor in this case? By the way, who's Bailey?
And by all means guys, please post other pictures of malar osteotomy. I have been thinking about it as they told me it's a simple 20-min procedure and will not take the surgeon's attention away from my jaw, but this is the first and only case I've seen. Of course, if grafts are used, then it will take longer...And I was told recovery is simple. So if it adds 20 minutes to my jaw surgery, I may be willing to do it. But not before I see any picture evidence that it is worth it.
hi falcao, thanks a lot for your post. you sound like you know quite a bit about what you're talking about. feel free to PM me and I'll send you my pics for advice. Bailey is Dr.Bailey in the original post of this thread. I agree the upper lip elongation is bad, but I believe that has occurred due to the maxillary advancement, but perhaps you're right, it's a result of the rhino. Could you list the rhino doctors you consider to be experts? I have heard a couple of things about Malar osteotomy. If you go to dr. mommaerts site you will see one that is supposedly a malar osteotomy case. I've seen another patient who had it done, it can look good and very dramatic. But it also seems to frequently have complications and slight asymmetries etc. When the cut is made the bone will remodel in places and there might be slight discrepancies.
Which doctors have you consulted with that are willing to do it? Could you give their names?
And also the names of top rhino docs. Thank you.
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Talking about cheekbones, what do you think of this?
http://www.sailerclinic.com/en/aesthetische_chirurgie/jochbeinaufbau.html (http://www.sailerclinic.com/en/aesthetische_chirurgie/jochbeinaufbau.html)
It's one of the most dramatic results I've seen and not even implants were used. More example from the same surgeon (who I hear is very controversial) here
http://www.sailerclinic.com/en/aesthetische_chirurgie/facelift.html (http://www.sailerclinic.com/en/aesthetische_chirurgie/facelift.html)
He seems to be augmenting the cheekbones where they need to be augmented especially in men to get that chiseled look - the third lateral part of the zygomatic bone (very high and very outside).
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Talking about cheekbones, what do you think of this?
http://www.sailerclinic.com/en/aesthetische_chirurgie/jochbeinaufbau.html (http://www.sailerclinic.com/en/aesthetische_chirurgie/jochbeinaufbau.html)
It's one of the most dramatic results I've seen and not even implants were used. More example from the same surgeon (who I hear is very controversial) here
http://www.sailerclinic.com/en/aesthetische_chirurgie/facelift.html (http://www.sailerclinic.com/en/aesthetische_chirurgie/facelift.html)
He seems to be augmenting the cheekbones where they need to be augmented especially in men to get that chiseled look - the third lateral part of the zygomatic bone (very high and very outside).
Very fake/plastic looking. Sailer's looking pretty unethical with the head tilt camera trick
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ugly, ugly ugly unnatural stuff.
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ps. how does the karma work? who's the "karma police" (ahaaa i made a reference here, im smart).
no really, how does the karma thing work ? i wanna be the king of karma.
Nobody shall stop me.
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Well, yes, unnatural, but all I'm saying the technique has potentials in the right hands. You don't even need autologous bone graft (hip or rib) as you normally would in malar osteotomy (at least if you want it to matter at all)..
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yes but....i really don't want to exageraete
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Well, yes, unnatural, but all I'm saying the technique has potentials in the right hands. You don't even need autologous bone graft (hip or rib) as you normally would in malar osteotomy (at least if you want it to matter at all)..
dude, he does use implants, he uses "lyocartiledge" to augment cheekbones which is f**king cadaver bone (i.e. dead people'es bones) it doesn't form to your own bone or become your own bone, it's the worse f**king option. sailer sucks s**t, i'm sorry, he's the worst.
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Talking about cheekbones, what do you think of this?
http://www.sailerclinic.com/en/aesthetische_chirurgie/jochbeinaufbau.html (http://www.sailerclinic.com/en/aesthetische_chirurgie/jochbeinaufbau.html)
His after looks awful. Now her face is rough and unaesthetic. I actually want to get the opposite of what she got, which means reducing the cheekbone prominence at the front and 45° view.
I'd also like to make my cheekbones sit closer to my eye sockets but I don't think there's a surgery that accomplishes this.
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Raffaini does cheekbone osteotomy as well but I can't find any before/after for it on his website
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I actually like that guys after pictures. Maybe his lip to nose distance shows more because hes nose tip doesn't drop at all anymore or it might still be a little pup cuz it could be swollen.
About french or italian model-guys having that type of nose with the bump, some can pull it off but a softer or normal nose is what most people look for and what most famous models have, from a girls point of view I think it looks better in the after, maybe if orbital rims HA or something would be used would be better, but I guess it was a trade off with the nasolabial lines..
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From the 3/4 I can't see that the position of his cheekbones have moved at all, it looks like the maxilla has been brought forward or augmented.
If his goal was to have a softer looking appearance then he has succeeded but if I agreed to have malar osteotomy then I would be seeking the complete opposite, more concave modelesque cheeks.
Sailer's red haired Lady certainly looks unnatural yes but he has the right idea with the angular shapes he has tried to create.
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From the 3/4 I can't see that the position of his cheekbones have moved at all, it looks like the maxilla has been brought forward or augmented.
If his goal was to have a softer looking appearance then he has succeeded but if I agreed to have malar osteotomy then I would be seeking the complete opposite, more concave modelesque cheeks.
Sailer's red haired Lady certainly looks unnatural yes but he has the right idea with the angular shapes he has tried to create.
I don't like that guy's results either, undereye flatness is good in males (flatness not recession)
In fact, most of his changes weren't good I'm sorry to say. once again we see the contours of his face washed out from 3/4ths, the philtrum got longer (could've been from the rhinoplasty but all the same), maxilla looks too projected now, orbital rims look unimproved
He had a distinctive good look before, then he became kind of a bland average joe imo, I think the nose change was the biggest reason for it. Amazing how the contour was still lost in spite of the cheekbones being brought out. I'm not sure the Quad Lefort would help much with this either cause it's the zygomatic bone that provides the projection from 3/4ths, and it is untouched by the Quad Lefort
Do you guys think his maxilla was overadvanced? I don't think it should be passing the forehead from profile view...
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Are you talking about the guy first linked in this thread? Or one from sailer clinic?
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I don't like that guy's results either, undereye flatness is good in males (flatness not recession)
In fact, most of his changes weren't good I'm sorry to say. once again we see the contours of his face washed out from 3/4ths, the philtrum got longer (could've been from the rhinoplasty but all the same), maxilla looks too projected now, orbital rims look unimproved
He had a distinctive good look before, then he became kind of a bland average joe imo, I think the nose change was the biggest reason for it. Amazing how the contour was still lost in spite of the cheekbones being brought out. I'm not sure the Quad Lefort would help much with this either cause it's the zygomatic bone that provides the projection from 3/4ths, and it is untouched by the Quad Lefort
Do you guys think his maxilla was overadvanced? I don't think it should be passing the forehead from profile view...
i generally agree in retrospect now looking at the pics. all the angles are gone. he probably needed the maxillary advancement though as his maxilla was receded. but i don't really see the cheekbone osteotomy.
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I think he had malar or sub-malar shell implants put in place instead of an actual malar osteotomy
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first guy.. He's also posing like a dummy before, i imagine it wasn't too hard for him to naturally close that lip gap
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Where are his photos from, are we completely sure he's had malar osteotomy?
I really don't see a change at all in his malar bones in any of the photos, as I said it only looks like his maxilla has been advanced.
Euphoria I completely agree he lost all his character but that's often the case where rhinoplasty is concerned.
I also agree about the maxilla protruding past the forehead being unaesthetic.
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Pekay do you have the ability to do a morph where in profile the guy's upper lip / paranasal area look relatively similar to before, but more projected from the face? I really dislike how long and boxy the drop down is now from paranasal to lip. I see this look all the time in maxillary advancement patients, like the superior part of the maxilla is too far forward relative to the inferior. see rough outline:
(http://i.imgur.com/Jh2bp8F.jpg?2)
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Where are his photos from, are we completely sure he's had malar osteotomy?
I really don't see a change at all in his malar bones in any of the photos, as I said it only looks like his maxilla has been advanced.
http://www.augustopary.com (http://www.augustopary.com)
check the Before/After section
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http://www.augustopary.com (http://www.augustopary.com)
check the Before/After section
taken from that page, a maxillary advancement that looks nice and natural, not boxy and overprojecting:
(http://i.imgur.com/NNbdmj3.png)
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All the guy in the OP's picture needs is some HA grafting under the tear tough, around the malar, and near the ramus to create more definition of the mandible. Otherwise his results are fantastic. A lot of his angles are near-ideal. I don't see how you can claim the guy you linked is a better example. A lot of the angles concerning his lower face are all f**ked up.
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All the guy in the OP's picture needs is some HA grafting under the tear tough, around the malar, and near the ramus to create more definition of the mandible. Otherwise his results are fantastic. A lot of his angles are near-ideal. I don't see how you can claim the guy you linked is a better example. A lot of the angles concerning his lower face are all f**ked up.
No one's talking about the mandible.
HA paste doesn't do s**t.
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Thanks for the neg, I appreciate it. I don't see how having an accute nasolabial angle and curled upper-lip is a "good" outcome. He looks half-retarded.
By the way, HA paste does "do s**t" and it's actually quite effective. Open your eyes and look around. Read one of the MANY studies that cover this. Or you can continue to spurt absorption myths and say it's ineffective. Whatever. And even IF HA paste was trash then just change HA paste to fillers. Done.
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Thanks for the neg, I appreciate it. I don't see how having an accute nasolabial angle and curled upper-lip is a "good" outcome. He looks half-retarded.
By the way, HA paste does "do s**t" and it's actually quite effective. Open your eyes and look around. Read one of the MANY studies that cover this. Or you can continue to spurt absorption myths and say it's ineffective. Whatever. And even IF HA paste was trash then just change HA paste to fillers. Done.
A full upper lip is considered ideal these days, an upper lip that shows little vermilion is bad
(http://www.dmanagementgroup.com/html/dmen/img/BRIAN_shimansky_296_0002.jpg)
I've never seen HA used effectively for anything other than defects left after jaw movements. ask CK if he feels there was any noticeable change to his cheeks with HA, he can tell you from firsthand experience
I didn't neg you but I +1'd you so you'd stop crying
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Having full lips is indeed ideal for both sexes, so you're right in that sense. However there's a big difference between what that person has and what I'm talking about.
Here is an example of the ideal position of the lips (this is pretty gender neutral, it does vary a bit between men and women but you get the idea):
(http://i.imgur.com/Lw9Vtjm.png)
What his does is curve up and close the nasolabial angle to become accute. In men it should be 90-92?. Now I'm not saying this should be like that on ALL men. The model you linked looks to have an angle that is more acute than 90? - but it suits him. Ultimately it's going to depend on the individual. In this case it made the patient look retarded.
Moreover, using models to illustrate an example reeks of puahate. Models do not exemplify aesthetic ideals, rather they possess extreme features and represent passing fads and trends within the industry itself. Plenty of hugely successful models look like average people if you were to see them in the street (see Simon Nessman or Francisco Lachowski). Others simply represent a unique look that people can associate with a brand (David Gandy's piercing blue eyes and black hair).
If the patient wanted or needed fuller lips then perhaps this would've better been achieved through the use of fillers as opposed to messing up the nL angle. That's my 2 cents anyway.
P.S. I apologise for saying you negged me if you didn't.
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Maybe I'm in the minority here but I'd love to have that " C " I'll have some maxillary advancement and at the moment my angle is kinda like the guy at the top before but I'm afraid my after it will be flat like his after,
A "curved" top lip has always been a desirable feature at least in woman hence there are many woman having lip augmentation and some even having bullhorn lip lifts just to get that "C" "pouty lips" :(
Some people upper lip also lifts and curves when they smile and I read recently that it has also got to do with the dental arch shape :)
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Maybe I'm in the minority here but I'd love to have that " C " I'll have some maxillary advancement and at the moment my angle is kinda like the guy at the top before but I'm afraid my after it will be flat like his after,
A "curved" top lip has always been a desirable feature at least in woman hence there are many woman having lip augmentation and some even having bullhorn lip lifts just to get that "C" "pouty lips" :(
Some people upper lip also lifts and curves when they smile and I read recently that it has also got to do with the dental arch shape :)
pumukka, could you please, please link to the article or whatever you read about dental arch shape and lip posture because i desperately want to change this are into a C as well and right now since I'm having orthodontics I feel I could still do something about changing the shape of the arch. thanks.
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Good article on ZSO's if it hasn't already been linked.
http://www.mauricemommaerts.eu/files/PDF/633277834186613750.pdf (http://www.mauricemommaerts.eu/files/PDF/633277834186613750.pdf)
Doesn't look like it'll give you male-model cheeks (more to do with buccal fat anyway I think), but it does seem to give good lateral projection and subsequently an improved facial width height ratio.
There was a lot of talk that ZSO would create feminine cheeks, and for a more masculine appear the lateral upper portion of the zygomatic bone would need to be dealt with. Could someone explain what is meant by this exactly?
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Good article on ZSO's if it hasn't already been linked.
http://www.mauricemommaerts.eu/files/PDF/633277834186613750.pdf (http://www.mauricemommaerts.eu/files/PDF/633277834186613750.pdf)
Doesn't look like it'll give you male-model cheeks (more to do with buccal fat anyway I think), but it does seem to give good lateral projection and subsequently an improved facial width height ratio.
There was a lot of talk that ZSO would create feminine cheeks, and for a more masculine appear the lateral upper portion of the zygomatic bone would need to be dealt with. Could someone explain what is meant by this exactly?
Man if they're going to tout it as a lateral advancement procedure I wish they'd show frontal pics. 3/4ths is too hard as a head tilted slightly different in each pic can throw things off
feminine cheeks: http://i.imgur.com/uHWISKm.jpg?1 (http://i.imgur.com/uHWISKm.jpg?1)
masculine: http://iconolo.gy/sites/default/files/TomFord-9.JPG (http://iconolo.gy/sites/default/files/TomFord-9.JPG)
feminine are more rounded and youthful, masculine is more hollow, a mild AIDS cheeks. masculine has lateral projection of the zygomatic arch but not much forward projection of the zygomatic bone
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Man if they're going to tout it as a lateral advancement procedure I wish they'd show frontal pics. 3/4ths is too hard as a head tilted slightly different in each pic can throw things off
feminine cheeks: http://i.imgur.com/uHWISKm.jpg?1 (http://i.imgur.com/uHWISKm.jpg?1)
masculine: http://iconolo.gy/sites/default/files/TomFord-9.JPG (http://iconolo.gy/sites/default/files/TomFord-9.JPG)
feminine are more rounded and youthful, masculine is more hollow, a mild AIDS cheeks. masculine has lateral projection of the zygomatic arch but not much forward projection of the zygomatic bone
I hear you. Wouldn't that make Mommaert's ZSO a viable way to achieve a bit more lateral projection of the zygomatic arch? If you look at the diagrammes one would think it should help somewhat.
Buccal fat is definitely a huge factor to make the cheeks pop
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I hear you. Wouldn't that make Mommaert's ZSO a viable way to achieve a bit more lateral projection of the zygomatic arch? If you look at the diagrammes one would think it should help somewhat.
Buccal fat is definitely a huge factor to make the cheeks pop
great find with the article, but the pics suck. them having had lefort 1s and all you can't really tell how much was augmented or how it looks.
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great find with the article, but the pics suck. them having had lefort 1s and all you can't really tell how much was augmented or how it looks.
That's true, there was one that gave a good indication of the added projection, and it's this one here...
(http://i.imgur.com/oAZHksn.png)
If you look at the outline on the left-side of his face you can see there's been an ok amount added. Nothing huge, and you're right if he had a Lefort this would be skewed even more. I'll try and get more pictures.
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That's true, there was one that gave a good indication of the added projection, and it's this one here...
(http://i.imgur.com/oAZHksn.png)
If you look at the outline on the left-side of his face you can see there's been an ok amount added. Nothing huge, and you're right if he had a Lefort this would be skewed even more. I'll try and get more pictures.
good work, this is a very important topic and thread. basically the model above which i criticized euphoria(wrongly) for posting is a good indication of what we're looking for that the taper of the cheek proceed OUT from under the eye and then taper at a diagonal down till the beginning of the lower maxilla where it comes out again, then down to the chin and a more dramatic out for a strong chin and jawline. i don't care about crosscultural aesthetics. this is the idea. and if elon musk can build a rocket to marks, we can find a way to shape our beta faces into strong nordic gods!
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I actually already have decent lateral projection it seems (it juts out from my face a good amount in the 3/4 view), just I'd probably benefit from having it higher and a bit more projected. Since the results aren't anything mindblowing I'm not that concerned with being the guinea pig for this forum. I asked Mommaerts and he said that it can be reverse quite simply so all the more reason to try.
Does anyone think a ZSO would have positive anti-ageing benefits? Would it somehow support the face more?
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Of course it would provide slightly more support for the skin, meaning you should age better.
What are people's thoughts on this Mommaerts patient?
(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd59/Bevz91/mm2_zpsce13a541.jpg)
(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd59/Bevz91/mm1_zpsa3232440.jpg)
He has more definition but lost the S curve.
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He never had the S curve / doesn't look to have changed at all.
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It has changed, looked more angular in the before 3/4 view.
Actually I've just realised it could be to a different head position, maybe you're right.
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I actually already have decent lateral projection it seems (it juts out from my face a good amount in the 3/4 view), just I'd probably benefit from having it higher and a bit more projected. Since the results aren't anything mindblowing I'm not that concerned with being the guinea pig for this forum. I asked Mommaerts and he said that it can be reverse quite simply so all the more reason to try.
Does anyone think a ZSO would have positive anti-ageing benefits? Would it somehow support the face more?
i think you should do it. Seems like a very minor procedure and it could only lead to a positive result no harm in trying!!?? It's the only thing even possible to affect your issue. Make sure to show us the pics.
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Anyone seriously considering this procedure, you can PM me for some private chat, as I have some knowledge to share. But please, only if you're seriously considering this procedure and you have already consulted with a surgeon over it. Otherwise I can't respond.
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Anyone seriously considering this procedure, you can PM me for some private chat, as I have some knowledge to share. But please, only if you're seriously considering this procedure and you have already consulted with a surgeon over it. Otherwise I can't respond.
yo consulted mommaerts over phone, he showed me a reults, guy when from very flat/normal to having benedict cumberbatch like upper cheekbones. then i heard of another guy on miss, i think he looked good, butt here was somes slight dysymmetry --but i hardly noticed it, i still thought it looked good.
then in my in consult with schendel he said it was "too unpredictable," but now seems to be telling other patients he can do it in conjunction with a lefort 1 so basically a quad lefort one where the move the maxilla and zygoma, forwward. I only want to do it if it makes a big difference. i want those Christian Bale/Benedict CUmberbath type cheekbones. What do you know?
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Of course it would provide slightly more support for the skin, meaning you should age better.
What are people's thoughts on this Mommaerts patient?
(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd59/Bevz91/mm2_zpsce13a541.jpg)
(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd59/Bevz91/mm1_zpsa3232440.jpg)
He has more definition but lost the S curve.
these are just different photographs, if there's improvement it's like 5 percent. if that.
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I'm seeing Mommaerts in a month, in person. So I will ask him about the ZSO cheekbone thing - leave any questions here.
I've seen examples of Asian cheekbone reduction were they break the zygomatic arch in 2 places and move it in, to get less lateral projection. So I guess the opposite could be done?
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I'm seeing Mommaerts in a month, in person. So I will ask him about the ZSO cheekbone thing - leave any questions here.
I've seen examples of Asian cheekbone reduction were they break the zygomatic arch in 2 places and move it in, to get less lateral projection. So I guess the opposite could be done?
that would be awesome to know, thanks celcticcavegirl. I just have a feeling that you not some heavy duty work to that area. think benedict cumberbatch (how do you get cheekbones like his?) --obviously it's not through a lefort, you need something else going on....
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that would be awesome to know, thanks celcticcavegirl. I just have a feeling that you not some heavy duty work to that area. think benedict cumberbatch (how do you get cheekbones like his?) --obviously it's not through a lefort, you need something else going on....
Never took you for a cumberb*tch Lazlo ;D
(http://main.dailyotter.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/tumblr_m18nz53fOA1qzs75go1_1280.jpg)
I don't plan on doing the ZSO, myself, as my cheekbones are decent and I think it's unnecessary bone breaking. I will get paste instead all around the upper and lateral part of the arch
http://www.itemcliniceng.com/face/item-face03.html (http://www.itemcliniceng.com/face/item-face03.html) - a discussion on cheekbone reduction. Can't see why it wouldn't work for augmentation but it would be better for lateral cheekbones - can't do much for the body of the zygoma. Opposite of implants, which mainly augment the body
seriously if I wind up in the spermbank at 40 I am taking Japanese sperm
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Never took you for a cumberb*tch Lazlo ;D
(http://main.dailyotter.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/tumblr_m18nz53fOA1qzs75go1_1280.jpg)
I don't plan on doing the ZSO, myself, as my cheekbones are decent and I think it's unnecessary bone breaking. I will get paste instead all around the upper and lateral part of the arch
http://www.itemcliniceng.com/face/item-face03.html (http://www.itemcliniceng.com/face/item-face03.html) - a discussion on cheekbone reduction. Can't see why it wouldn't work for augmentation but it would be better for lateral cheekbones - can't do much for the body of the zygoma. Opposite of implants, which mainly augment the body
seriously if I wind up in the spermbank at 40 I am taking Japanese sperm
lol
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Hey TINY!!! You never got back to us. I wanna know more about the malar osteotomy. Or Falcao or anyone else who has news.