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General Category => Functional Surgery Questions => Topic started by: Lazlo on August 17, 2016, 08:03:06 PM
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Agreed, jaw surgery on its own doesn't change much.
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Come on Lazlo we are very curious! Show us some before and after pictures! You can also block out your identity.
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Why not just custom ct scan implants for jaw-chin, brow-lateral orbital rim and infraorbital-cheek? Just look at some of the before and afters for jaw-chin with Eppley, Yaremchuk and Terino. Why go through all this bulls**t when the solution is a hair's breadth away?
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No amount of plastic surgery will help you get rid of that little sissy without self confidence that's in your head.
Besides that, with the amount of procedures you're talking about, it will be super obvious that you had plastics done and seem weird /artificial. Just like those cheap nose jobs from the early 80s. You can just tell.
Completely agree: It seems like a lot of you guys genuinely have severe body dysmorphic disorder, and are being unfairly cynical towards yourselves and your appearance, and even worse towards others looks as well. Like, is it really that bad?
I already know you're going to come for me, and say that I'm being ignorant because I don't know just how ugly you are, or how much bullying you experienced in school, or how many people have rejected your advances because you look like a "potato", or that I'm just some feel good hippie, with his head stuck in the sand. Whatever. If you can't get over that s**t, then you're not cut out for life in general.
Yes, we live in the 21st century, but plastic surgery isn't at the point where you can change the structure of skull or facial bones significantly.
And just admit it. What you guys want is to look like somebody else entirely, not a slightly improved version of yourselves, which is what plastic surgery and jaw surgery can actually offer today, without having you look like a one of those "Hollywood wives" or Michael Jackson minus the skin bleaching.
You're never going to find a "New World of PS", you're just gonna find more disappointment and not "beauty" or self-confidence.
The damage that sites like lookism and sluthate have done to people is beyond comprehension. Those sites should to be shut down asap.
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So dudes and dudettes. I mean while there's a certain bit of swelling and s**t that has to be reduced I'm like wow results of
jaw surgery have been "okay" like maybe I'd rate this procedure a B-/C+ cause its noticeable to me and a few friends but it's nothing revolutionary. Also, it only brought my chin in balance with my upper lip and nose didn't give me the Jason Statham thing at all.
So now I'm realizing I need a bigger set of goals cause I want dramatic change. In my sights now: chin wing, modified lefort WITH augmentation of HA paste on brow and orbital rim. And a motherf**kin rhino. Let's make this thread about people and the procedures that let to radical change. Jaw surgery in itself is not much.
As someone who has had two-jaw surgery, sliding genio, rhinoplasty, midface lift, lip lift, fat grafting, chin pad resuspension, eye ptosis repair, and neck lift, I think that plastic surgical procedures can make a big difference in appearance. There are generally, I think, trade-offs. In some procedures I evaluated that I improved one thing, and other issues emerged out of that. In other cases, my assessment is that the improvement was straight-forward. For instance, with orthognathic surgery, I saw the improvement only, as my baseline condition was a very large underbite and, I think, a very, very long face. Any accumulation of soft tissue related to boney reduction was incomparable with the magnitude of improvement.
I do think that there may be a problem when someone associated their identity with their current appearance, and imagines that out of a new appearance, another identity will emerge. At the same time, I do understand that individuals may evaluate and interact with other differently based on their physical appearance.
As for me, I have a list of things I'd like to handle. I've assessed that they are handle-able by some procedure or another. What I cannot do is to acquire the specific attributes that another person has. I can only impose certain changes on my own body. I can widen my palate and contour my bone and suspend soft tissue in certain ways, subject to the parameters of my own body.
I don't agree with the evaluation that plastic surgery cannot make a significant difference. I think that people can find that changes occur to them as highly significant. And, as with anything, it's all in the eyes of the beholders. At the same time, I would recommend individuals not to conflate identity with aesthetic appearance.
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As someone who has had two-jaw surgery, sliding genio, rhinoplasty, midface lift, lip lift, fat grafting, chin pad resuspension, eye ptosis repair, and neck lift, I think that plastic surgical procedures can make a big difference in appearance. There are generally, I think, trade-offs. In some procedures I evaluated that I improved one thing, and other issues emerged out of that. In other cases, my assessment is that the improvement was straight-forward. For instance, with orthognathic surgery, I saw the improvement only, as my baseline condition was a very large underbite and, I think, a very, very long face. Any accumulation of soft tissue related to boney reduction was incomparable with the magnitude of improvement.
I do think that there may be a problem when someone associated their identity with their current appearance, and imagines that out of a new appearance, another identity will emerge. At the same time, I do understand that individuals may evaluate and interact with other differently based on their physical appearance.
As for me, I have a list of things I'd like to handle. I've assessed that they are handle-able by some procedure or another. What I cannot do is to acquire the specific attributes that another person has. I can only impose certain changes on my own body. I can widen my palate and contour my bone and suspend soft tissue in certain ways, subject to the parameters of my own body.
I don't agree with the evaluation that plastic surgery cannot make a significant difference. I think that people can find that changes occur to them as highly significant. And, as with anything, it's all in the eyes of the beholders. At the same time, I would recommend individuals not to conflate identity with aesthetic appearance.
Exactly brah no dysmorphia here, just trying to be my best with some of the great techniques we have today. I could stop now and be happy, but why not a little more edge? Right bra?
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Completely agree: It seems like a lot of you guys genuinely have severe body dysmorphic disorder, and are being unfairly cynical towards yourselves and your appearance, and even worse towards others looks as well. Like, is it really that bad?
I already know you're going to come for me, and say that I'm being ignorant because I don't know just how ugly you are, or how much bullying you experienced in school, or how many people have rejected your advances because you look like a "potato", or that I'm just some feel good hippie, with his head stuck in the sand. Whatever. If you can't get over that s**t, then you're not cut out for life in general.
Yes, we live in the 21st century, but plastic surgery isn't at the point where you can change the structure of skull or facial bones significantly.
And just admit it. What you guys want is to look like somebody else entirely, not a slightly improved version of yourselves, which is what plastic surgery and jaw surgery can actually offer today, without having you look like a one of those "Hollywood wives" or Michael Jackson minus the skin bleaching.
You're never going to find a "New World of PS", you're just gonna find more disappointment and not "beauty" or self-confidence.
The damage that sites like lookism and sluthate have done to people is beyond comprehension. Those sites should to be shut down asap.
Not at all brah! You're cool. I lay tons of hot chicks. Looking like a goer doesn't give you a huge advantage with the ladies you gotta just be f**king cool and assertive and fun and the girls love fun. Just ask GJ his roster of hot chicks is off the richter regardless of jaw surgery or no jaw surgery. I ain't no lookism dude with all this incel and copcel talk --all that is f**king moronic. It's just about having fun with your life there's some great s**t out htere to make it better.
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who said jaw surgery would make you look like jason statham? jaw surgery is to treat dental deformities not to make you look like some s**t hollywood star
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Why not just custom ct scan implants for jaw-chin, brow-lateral orbital rim and infraorbital-cheek? Just look at some of the before and afters for jaw-chin with Eppley, Yaremchuk and Terino. Why go through all this bulls**t when the solution is a hair's breadth away?
brah implants look pretty fake to me. I knew Eppley, Yaremchuck, and Terino all day long even consulted with them. Determined it's not for me. Dr. Y. does some worldclass eye stuff though I'll say that. We don't have the perfect solutions yet, and I don't like what implants do long term sorry.
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who said jaw surgery would make you look like jason statham? jaw surgery is to treat dental deformities not to make you look like some s**t hollywood star
why so angry brah? just chill. you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.
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why so angry brah? just chill. you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.
not angry at all just stating facts. Explain how I'm apart of the problem bro
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brah implants look pretty fake to me. I knew Eppley, Yaremchuck, and Terino all day long even consulted with them. Determined it's not for me. Dr. Y. does some worldclass eye stuff though I'll say that. We don't have the perfect solutions yet, and I don't like what implants do long term sorry.
Why do they look fake though? I mean how is it possible to distinguish between bone and implant material through soft tissue when all that we can see from the outside is whether it is solid underneath? Also I think we've both seen implant results, particularly in the orbital rim and jaw-chin area that don't look fake at all.
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Listen, the expert on this board is Earl and he hates implants and I know why. They don't integrate so they always stay somewhat visibly foreign. Orbital area some implant work looks good. But there's always risk of infection with implants. Honestly, I see it happpen way too much. Oh well if you like implants go for it. Until they can make osteoconductive inducive i.e. bone implants i'll stay with grafts, my own bone moved and grown and maybe HA. I just don't like on implants for conceptual, ideological, spiritual, aesthetic and medical reasons. You like them go for it. But on this board we're mostly trying to grow our own bone .
I completely understand and get what you are saying. At this point I'm not trying to challenge you on why you personally don't like implants, now that you've clarified that. What I am trying to do is work out *why* you don't like implants based on the experience that you've had over the last few years, particularly in collecting information that most of us are unable to obtain. Most of these reasons are completely clear, such as the risk of infection. However, others are less clear. In particular, you say that you think that they look fake, so what I'm trying to probe is the reasons for why they look fake when implants are just another solid material under soft tissue. This is particularly useful in helping me decide on which course I (and probably others) want to take, as I have not yet done so.
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Are you compensating for something?! With that wanna-be zyzz attitude..
Anyway, you won't get the look you want by any means of surgery. You'll look fake. that coupled with your pseudo alpha BS talk. good luck with that, 'bro'.
If you have any more insults to hurl at me, shove it, if you live in Europe lets meet and talk without all that internet tough talk. 193cm 91kg and hands bigger than a toilet seat cover.
wooooow so scary....your face must look like a toilet too!
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I'm not aware of any correlation between hands and facial apperance. however there is one between hands and another body part.
anyway, I thought you were a nice guy stupidjaws.
is it neccesary that you jump onto the insult waggon aswell? I was just saying that because some guys here seem super tough and brave, I'd like to talk to them face to face. Most people won't insult that much then. I'm sure you can understand.
i am a nice guy, i think you must understand lazlo is facing a tough recovery now so his emotional state isn't ideal. he needs support, not threats!
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can we all just please get along.
also if you're a hot chick you can send me nudies pm. (not sexist, i actually need pheremones to alleviate pain and you'd be helping me out with a nice pic of your juicy ass) actually milf-bods are hot too so don't censor yourself or rule yourself out by any means.
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can we all just please get along.
also if you're a hot chick you can send me nudies pm. (not sexist, i actually need pheremones to alleviate pain and you'd be helping me out with a nice pic of your juicy ass) actually milf-bods are hot too so don't censor yourself or rule yourself out by any means.
This has been amazing. Thank you so much for the overwhelming female response. I had no idea there were so many hotties reading these forum pages! Thanks again, I can assure you I was indulgent and focussed appreciating everyone of these great nude selfies. It's helped my recovery tremendously!
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He looks weird. What is it that makes him look so weird? Who was his surgeon?
I agree, but I'm wondering if we'd still think so if we saw him hanging out in real life base reality? I mean like he'd probably just seem like a very chiselled good looking dude right? I think the angles on him are too severe, like everything from the tip of the mouth to the cheekbones etc. --could have been rounded off more. Also he's had like what a TON of work. That's gotta do something too.
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to me it almost looks like his maxilla is still too far back and his top front teeth are SEVERELY tipped to compensate. bad look. maybe some filler under the nose and in the philitrum/top lip to make up for bone? just a WILD guess. also his forehead/frontal bone/lateral orbitals are very narrow compared to the exaggerated cheekbones which just isn't what usually occurs in nature.
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to me it almost looks like his maxilla is still too far back and his top front teeth are SEVERELY tipped to compensate. bad look. maybe some filler under the nose and in the philitrum/top lip to make up for bone? just a WILD guess. also his forehead/frontal bone/lateral orbitals are very narrow compared to the exaggerated cheekbones which just isn't what usually occurs in nature.
i dunno about the cheekbone comment, i mean there is a ton of variation in nature. None of these folks had plastic surgery. I agree with the teeth being tipped. I'm just not sure the other stuff is that "UNNATURAL". It may be unusual and unique but i wonder if we'd spot it immediately. How the face moved too would probably be a factor. :
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Yes I agree with you on all points.
But each person is different. I have unnaturally very thick skin in most of my face, so my bone movements need to be a bit larger to show up as I don't think I follow the 3mm:1mm ration of bone to flesh movement --i.e. you have to move me 3mm to show up as 1mm on my actual head.
But still, fillers and fat I think are something you DEFINITELY should consider as an overlay over the osteotomy or implant. After 30 the facial fat atrophies and you get hollowed out in some places. Also surgery creates trauma which causes fat atrophy.
In the near future they'll have more precise techniques for fat. I thin kfiller works well right now as it is. Stupidjaws filler results are perfect.
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I really like the guy's face (Sailer patient not human ken doll), only problem is that his nose doesn't look masculine to match the other features but whatever.
If they are implants then they do look big but the cartilage will shrink so maybe it's an over correction, assuming Sailer puts that much thought into it.
I think the reason that the photos look creepy and unnatural is because of the bad Photoshopping, they even photoshopped his eyes but at least they made him look symmetrical.
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i would say this is probably 20 years away for it to be around at your local plastic surgeon's office since there are issues around growing your own cartilage that fast and s**t. Okay maybe, maybe really optimistically 15 years. Too late for me, but whatever read it and weep. you 20 year olds will still be relatively "young" to take advantage.
http://www.cnet.com/news/3d-printed-nose-implant-ready-for-trials/
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also....
do you think this guys results are awesome? or just whatever
http://www.rhinoplastyonline.com/photo-gallery-men.html
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Lazlo, with all due respect, I disagree with your take on facial implants.
While I'm 100% with you that some chin and jaw angle implants can look unnatural and have many complications like shifting (this is actually very usual with jaw angle implants) that doesn't mean that all types of implants are trash.
In fact, as far as the orbital rims are concerned I think that implants is the best way to go (even Earl wanted some more augmentation after his modified LeFort III, if I recall correctly).
The actual problem with facial augmentation using implants aren't implants themselves, but everyone's different facial structure. There are very few people that have this type of thin face with very little facial fat, which is the optimal facial structure for implants. That's the reason why implants don't work for everyone.
Most results online are s**t, but do not forget this result from Dr. Terino. The use of a wraparound jaw implant here is effective because the patient had a thin face post-operatively.
(http://oi49.tinypic.com/2ppjy8o.jpg)
Dr. Eppley + Dr. Yaremchuk have designed tons of facial implants and I'm sure that if you have the facial structure I'm describing , you can have good aesthetic outcomes from them.
I wish you luck with your recovery and the rest of your surgeries.
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wow that result is so good. thanks for your well wishes. I do sort of agree implants can produce great results. But yeah it may just be a personal psychological issue about them. I dunno why, just not for me.
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Lazlo, with all due respect, I disagree with your take on facial implants.
While I'm 100% with you that some chin and jaw angle implants can look unnatural and have many complications like shifting (this is actually very usual with jaw angle implants) that doesn't mean that all types of implants are trash.
In fact, as far as the orbital rims are concerned I think that implants is the best way to go (even Earl wanted some more augmentation after his modified LeFort III, if I recall correctly).
The actual problem with facial augmentation using implants aren't implants themselves, but everyone's different facial structure. There are very few people that have this type of thin face with very little facial fat, which is the optimal facial structure for implants. That's the reason why implants don't work for everyone.
Most results online are s**t, but do not forget this result from Dr. Terino. The use of a wraparound jaw implant here is effective because the patient had a thin face post-operatively.
(http://oi49.tinypic.com/2ppjy8o.jpg)
Dr. Eppley + Dr. Yaremchuk have designed tons of facial implants and I'm sure that if you have the facial structure I'm describing , you can have good aesthetic outcomes from them.
I wish you luck with your recovery and the rest of your surgeries.
It actually amazes me how people are willing to pay thousands of dollars worth of invasive surgery, that will change the entire bone structure of their face, in order to look better; but yet don't drop down to 8-10% bodyfat (for males). That will not only most likely improve that person's looks tenfold compared to the surgical alteration, but is also needed to provide the aesthetic result that the patient seeks in the first place!!! Utterly mind boggling.
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It actually amazes me how people are willing to pay thousands of dollars worth of invasive surgery, that will change the entire bone structure of their face, in order to look better; but yet don't drop down to 8-10% bodyfat (for males). That will not only most likely improve that person's looks tenfold compared to the surgical alteration, but is also needed to provide the aesthetic result that the patient seeks in the first place!!! Utterly mind boggling.
agreed, but many people don't have the underlying bone structure not matter how skinny or low bodyfat they get, that kid above has very low bodyfat but his face still sucks until the implants were added.
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agreed, but many people don't have the underlying bone structure not matter how skinny or low bodyfat they get, that kid above has very low bodyfat but his face still sucks until the implants were added.
Yes very true. But judging from the custom jaw work that I've seen, the vast majority of patients are hindered in their aesthetic outcome due to their facial tissue (most commonly with the 'bloated jaw' look). I am a firm believer in the 'optimising-bodyfat-percentage (and other variables) before-making drastic-surgical- decisions' route ;)
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Why do they look fake though? I mean how is it possible to distinguish between bone and implant material through soft tissue when all that we can see from the outside is whether it is solid underneath? Also I think we've both seen implant results, particularly in the orbital rim and jaw-chin area that don't look fake at all.
okay, i'm not here to debate implants vs. bone, i'm just here to figure out who can position my bone. i'm not averse to HA paste though as long as there's nothing destructive to your own bone about it (which I 99 percent believe to be true).