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General Category => Functional Surgery Questions => Topic started by: JimmyTheGent on August 24, 2016, 01:06:43 PM
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Does anyone believe this lady achieved these results using the DNA appliance (non surgically)? This looks good even for double jaw surgery standards.
"Using the DNA Appliance ® (Daytime Nighttime Appliance) system, we can treat the teeth, jaws, temporomandibular joints (TMJ), face and airway for optimal growth and development by engaging the patient’s underlying genetics without the use of surgery. Using the principles of Epigenetic Orthodontics, this technique activates one’s naturally occurring genes to correct underdevelopment in the craniofacial region with removable appliances worn during the evening and nighttime - during the body’s natural circadian rhythm. The bones in the craniofacial region are remodeled over time, non-surgically making a foundational correction to the structure of the airway. It is a pain-free, minimally invasive process which uses no drugs, medication, or injections.
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The DNA Appliance gently expands the upper arch space in three dimensions, which in turn increases the size of the nasal cavity. As the upper arch is widened, the lower jaw is able to move forward into a more natural position. As the jaw moves forward, it pulls the tongue and soft tissues, thus increasing the size of the airway. The result is a dramatic improvement in the patient’s ability to breathe.
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The CT imaging shown above compares the width of the airway (in red) "Before" treatment with the DNA Appliance and "After", clinically documenting the expansion in the airway in an adult patient.
This unique appliance, based upon a patented design, is worn like a dental or orthodontic retainer; however, it is worn only in the evening/night and gently guides the teeth, jaws, facial bones and airway into more optimal spatial positioning aiding sleep and breathing patterns. In contrast to other appliances that rely on continuous force only – which damages sensitive tissue – the DNA appliance applies intermittent force, providing a resting period for the tissues between nightly use.
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f**k i'm sold how much is this thing? i'll only begin using it a year out from surgery once I'm totally healed.
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How did her face move forward so much with just an orthodontic appliance?? She went from a relatively flat face to an ante-face with a big airway.
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How did her face move forward so much with just an orthodontic appliance?? She went from a relatively flat face to an ante-face with a big airway.
she tilt his head up
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I call BS on the before and after of the face.
The vertical posture of the face is rotated from one pic to the other and therefore the red line drawings are meaningless.
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and bottom picture look neck posture. she just pushin his head forward.
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I call BS on the before and after of the face.
The vertical posture of the face is rotated from one pic to the other and therefore the red line drawings are meaningless.
That's OK. I think Wolford does the same.
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You guys are right it definitely looks like her head is titled two different ways but what about the measurements of the palate? It doesn't look like it just pushed the teeth to the outer part of the dental arch, it looks like the actual palate has expanded. Of course there is no real evidence to support that new bone was created or anything and if new bone was created its pretty foolish not to prove it to get more customers.
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How did her face move forward so much with just an orthodontic appliance?? She went from a relatively flat face to an ante-face with a big airway.
dude just look at her chin, in one her face is tipped down in the next it's like 45 degrees up. BS pics.
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she's got nuts on her chin!
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she's got nuts on her chin!
How you healing up Lazlo? U still loopy from the surgery and hydrocodone? When do you go back to Sinn for a checkup?
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How you healing up Lazlo? U still loopy from the surgery and hydrocodone? When do you go back to Sinn for a checkup?
I'm fine. My chin feels kind of numb. Oddly numbness set in a few weeks AFTER surgery in my case. But it's not too bad. I am only 30 days out of surgery. I'm off all pain meds. I mean my cheeks feel really heavy and sort of as if they're made of clay but I'm assuming all that's normal. Lookswise it's "okay" not bad at all. But jaw surgery was just the foundation of all the other s**t I need. Mission accomplished.
I do still feel my maxilla is kind of narrow. We don't know if my bite is seriously off or just a bit right now. Been checking in with my ortho who says we can fix with elastics no need for re-do of surgery, yet.
I kind of wish my lower jaw was brought forward 4 more mm. But i didn't have CCW in the Gunson/Arnett style so I kind of lost that chance.
But honestly for all of you fretting about jaw surgery it's so not a big deal. So what even if you have 3 weeks bad pain like I did. What's that where your whole life is concerned? I mean I was treated fine, no nausea, no breathing problems. Recovery ain't a walk in the park, but it isn't hell either. I'm sure breaking a leg or something is WAY more trauma than jaw surgery.
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I'm fine. My chin feels kind of numb. Oddly numbness set in a few weeks AFTER surgery in my case. But it's not too bad. I am only 30 days out of surgery. I'm off all pain meds. I mean my cheeks feel really heavy and sort of as if they're made of clay but I'm assuming all that's normal. Lookswise it's "okay" not bad at all. But jaw surgery was just the foundation of all the other s**t I need. Mission accomplished.
I do still feel my maxilla is kind of narrow. We don't know if my bite is seriously off or just a bit right now. Been checking in with my ortho who says we can fix with elastics no need for re-do of surgery, yet.
I kind of wish my lower jaw was brought forward 4 more mm. But i didn't have CCW in the Gunson/Arnett style so I kind of lost that chance.
But honestly for all of you fretting about jaw surgery it's so not a big deal. So what even if you have 3 weeks bad pain like I did. What's that where your whole life is concerned? I mean I was treated fine, no nausea, no breathing problems. Recovery ain't a walk in the park, but it isn't hell either. I'm sure breaking a leg or something is WAY more trauma than jaw surgery.
Did you have a 3-piece Lefort? Did u have a clogged nose pre-surgery and how is it now? Is your palate numb? Thanks for the detailed response, glad recovery is going well for you!!
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Did you have a 3-piece Lefort? Did u have a clogged nose pre-surgery and how is it now? Is your palate numb? Thanks for the detailed response, glad recovery is going well for you!!
yeah, no numbness, no breathing problems all was perfect/clear
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It looks to me like her teeth are tipped outward on the upper arch. My orthodontist advised against adult non-surgical palatal expansion, stating that it simply tips the teeth. While I do not know whether or not this is the case, in this photo it looks like it to me. That said, that result might be totally sufficient for creating a number of benefits.
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Just a couple hours ago, I consulted with a dentist/orthodontist on the DNA appliance. I showed him my models, we reviewed my imaging and photographs, and I outlined my objectives. He said that I had a "high dental IQ" and expressed hesitation that the device would achieve my objectives. He indicated that I had sufficient bone in place to allow for some posterior expansion. I indicated that anterior expansion is much more important to me, including movement of the canines.
While he did not state that the appliance would not move the maxilla itself, he indicated that the DNA appliance is for people that want to avoid surgery. I have no aversion to surgery and want significant anterior expansion. I've concluded that SARPE, coupled with Invisalign, will achieve those objectives.
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Just a couple hours ago, I consulted with a dentist/orthodontist on the DNA appliance. I showed him my models, we reviewed my imaging and photographs, and I outlined my objectives. He said that I had a "high dental IQ" and expressed hesitation that the device would achieve my objectives. He indicated that I had sufficient bone in place to allow for some posterior expansion. I indicated that anterior expansion is much more important to me, including movement of the canines.
While he did not state that the appliance would not move the maxilla itself, he indicated that the DNA appliance is for people that want to avoid surgery. I have no aversion to surgery and want significant anterior expansion. I've concluded that SARPE, coupled with Invisalign, will achieve those objectives.
Sarpe is a good idea, i don't know if you can do invisalign with sarpe though. how long does the sarpe device have to be in your mouth???
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Sarpe is a good idea, i don't know if you can do invisalign with sarpe though. how long does the sarpe device have to be in your mouth???
I don't know how long it will have to remain. I'd like to fast track it if there is no major risk of adverse impact. The orthodontist I saw today mentioned Invisalign as an option, and another one (who was my orthodontist when I had brace before and after two-jaw surgery previously) also mentioned it as a possible option, coupled with SARPE.
My bite is fine. It's way too narrow for what I want aesthetically. I want at least 6 mm added bilaterally (3 mm to each side). I see no other way I can reduce the degree of curvature of the anterior palate. Lateral tooth show is important to me, as well as reduction of buccal corridors. I wish I had these concepts when I had surgery the first time; that said, I've no regrets as I had a tremendous improvement then.
Tomorrow, I consult with a maxillofacial surgeon on the SARPE and my jaws generally. I'm hopeful to have a plan of action by the end of the appointment.
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Sarpe is a good idea, i don't know if you can do invisalign with sarpe though. how long does the sarpe device have to be in your mouth???
I didn't explicitly ask that today. The surgeon did mention "1/4 mm per day" as an expansion rate with the expander. For me, I think that would mean a month or so at most.
The surgeon recommended a revision LeForte instaed of SARPE. I get that he's concerned that SARPE might through the bite off thus requireing another LeForte. I'd rather risk needing to do two surgeries and get the cosmetic result right this time.