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Title: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Lazlo on February 15, 2017, 07:10:07 PM
yeah
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: PloskoPlus on February 15, 2017, 07:30:57 PM
13k chf in 2015.
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Lazlo on February 15, 2017, 07:40:54 PM
wow, Dr. Z is half that if not less. Do you know if Triaca's is better or some s**t?
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: PloskoPlus on February 15, 2017, 07:45:06 PM
wow, Dr. Z is half that if not less. Do you know if Triaca's is better or some s**t?
Z is no longer as cheap as he was. Triaca claims to have invented it... It's more like he repopularized it. I think he would have done far more of them than z. Do you really want to risk more nerve damage?
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Lefortitude on February 15, 2017, 07:52:21 PM
honestly if you really want to go to pyramid I would say go with Dr. Brusco.  He is younger and has learned everything from Triaca, performed the procedure tons of times etc.  plus its outpatient so you dont have to pay 8000CHF to stay at pyramid over night. 
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Lazlo on February 15, 2017, 08:09:22 PM
honestly if you really want to go to pyramid I would say go with Dr. Brusco.  He is younger and has learned everything from Triaca, performed the procedure tons of times etc.  plus its outpatient so you dont have to pay 8000CHF to stay at pyramid over night.

oh that's pretty sweet, thanks for the info Lefortidude!
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Lazlo on February 15, 2017, 08:24:39 PM
Z is no longer as cheap as he was. Triaca claims to have invented it... It's more like he repopularized it. I think he would have done far more of them than z. Do you really want to risk more nerve damage?

dude is there any way to reverse the nerve damage? Even in the lower right part of the lip it feels horrible. Sensation is always tingling when I touch it. So yeah i have sensation but it's weird and it also feels like that part of the rip is made of rubber. I can honestly say it has not improved at all.
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: chin on February 15, 2017, 08:27:27 PM
hw much advancement do u had??
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: boyo on February 15, 2017, 08:42:48 PM
Lazlo i've had both ching wing and bimax.

My experience and what the surgeon told me is that Chin wing numbness/nerve tingling is only temporally, while numbness/tingling from BSSO is often permanent or will only improve somewhat. Not sure why.
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Lazlo on February 15, 2017, 08:44:56 PM
Lazlo i've had both ching wing and bimax.

My experience and what the surgeon told me is that Chin wing numbness/nerve tingling is only temporally, while numbness/tingling from BSSO is often permanent or will only improve somewhat. Not sure why.

hey dude, do you have any permanent numbness or change in sensation on your lips or chin?
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: boyo on February 15, 2017, 08:48:30 PM
Not from the ching wing, i was 100% numb when i woke up but it all went away within two months. The bimax is another story  >:(
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Lazlo on February 15, 2017, 08:52:15 PM
Not from the ching wing, i was 100% numb when i woke up but it all went away within two months. The bimax is another story  >:(


i see, do you just have part of your lip numb or the whole lip? upper or lower?
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: boyo on February 15, 2017, 08:59:57 PM
Small patch on my upper lip. It's the same s**t ploskoplus got after his lefort with permanent rubbery/burning sensation. f**king sucks but the point is that CW is a piece of cake compared and will not be as risky regarding permanent nerve damage.
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Lazlo on February 15, 2017, 09:20:07 PM
Small patch on my upper lip. It's the same s**t ploskoplus got after his lefort with permanent rubbery/burning sensation. f**king sucks but the point is that CW is a piece of cake compared and will not be as risky regarding permanent nerve damage.

thanks for the info bro. I really appreciate it as it give me some hope.
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Lazlo on February 15, 2017, 09:20:44 PM
honestly anyone tried injecting stem cells to the affected area? there's gotta be something one can do.
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Lefortitude on February 16, 2017, 11:36:07 AM
also check if you have enough mandible for a chin wing first.  Apparently mines so hypoplastic there isnt enough bone to do a chin wing without certain damage to the nerve
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: PloskoPlus on February 16, 2017, 01:25:31 PM
honestly anyone tried injecting stem cells to the affected area? there's gotta be something one can do.
I contacted one max fac that does this. He immediately dismissed me. I think he only does it for severe neuralgia as a last resort. His message was be happy with your results, sometimes stuff like this happens. said removing the plates may make things better, make no difference or worse. That's it.
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: PloskoPlus on February 16, 2017, 02:04:11 PM
also check if you have enough mandible for a chin wing first.  Apparently mines so hypoplastic there isnt enough bone to do a chin wing without certain damage to the nerve
Who told you this? Fwiw triaca said he could not do one in only about 5 cases out of over 900.
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Lefortitude on February 16, 2017, 02:56:24 PM
Who told you this? Fwiw triaca said he could not do one in only about 5 cases out of over 900.

Maxfac plastic surgeon i saw today told me after taking a good look at my case.  I wonder how many cases/900 have had long lasting nerve damage. 
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: PloskoPlus on February 16, 2017, 03:24:36 PM
Maxfac plastic surgeon i saw today told me after taking a good look at my case.  I wonder how many cases/900 have had long lasting nerve damage.
Triaca said less than one percen of permanent lip numbness. Take that with a bucket of salt.
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: ditterbo on February 16, 2017, 03:31:20 PM
dude is there any way to reverse the nerve damage? Even in the lower right part of the lip it feels horrible. Sensation is always tingling when I touch it. So yeah i have sensation but it's weird and it also feels like that part of the rip is made of rubber. I can honestly say it has not improved at all.

I only recall you and ploskoplus as having numbness that you can't really get past or is so minor you don't notice it anymore.  Is this numbness you both have different than the run of the mill bimax perma numbness, due to the tingling, rubber feeling or something else?
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: PloskoPlus on February 16, 2017, 03:49:53 PM
I only recall you and ploskoplus as having numbness that you can't really get past or is so minor you don't notice it anymore.  Is this numbness you both have different than the run of the mill bimax perma numbness, due to the tingling, rubber feeling or something else?
Lazlo is only 6 months out. He may still recover or at least adjust. I'm almost 2.5 years out and considering how mobile the upper lip is, I guess I'm the only hopeless one. How i hate my prick of a surgeon for wrecking me like this!
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Lazlo on February 16, 2017, 04:09:24 PM
Lazlo is only 6 months out. He may still recover or at least adjust. I'm almost 2.5 years out and considering how mobile the upper lip is, I guess I'm the only hopeless one. How i hate my prick of a surgeon for wrecking me like this!

I feel for you so much Plosko. Not only did you not achieve the result you hoped for but your have to face this. There will one day be a cure for most physical things --I'm sure of it. I just really hope they can fix your issue. I'll keep my eye out for any news.

I think meditation may help you a lot because it's all about developing an awareness of sensation without reacting to sensation. If you wanna know some tips about it pm me.
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: PloskoPlus on February 16, 2017, 05:16:31 PM
I feel for you so much Plosko. Not only did you not achieve the result you hoped for but your have to face this. There will one day be a cure for most physical things --I'm sure of it. I just really hope they can fix your issue. I'll keep my eye out for any news.

I think meditation may help you a lot because it's all about developing an awareness of sensation without reacting to sensation. If you wanna know some tips about it pm me.
Lazlo
Thanks for your sympathies. Unfortunately you know exactly how I feel. I blame myself for not doing enough for diligence. My surgeons reputation was simplythe case of a big fish in a very small pond. It really sucks how we have to go through this hell. The bad luck of being born  with a dentofacial deformity.
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: idkidkidk on February 16, 2017, 08:21:16 PM
Anyone know how much the risk of numbness is mitigated when a chin wing/side wing is performed on a younger patient (ie 18 yrs old)?
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Lefortitude on February 16, 2017, 08:44:45 PM
Anyone know how much the risk is of numbness mitigated when a chin wing/side wing is performed on a younger patient (ie 18 yrs old)?

from my understanding, the difference will not be clinically significant.
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Rico on February 24, 2017, 12:22:24 PM
Lazlo i've had both ching wing and bimax.

My experience and what the surgeon told me is that Chin wing numbness/nerve tingling is only temporally, while numbness/tingling from BSSO is often permanent or will only improve somewhat. Not sure why.

Probably due to much more manipulation around the nerve and bigger risk of postop nerve compression in BSSO


dude is there any way to reverse the nerve damage? Even in the lower right part of the lip it feels horrible. Sensation is always tingling when I touch it. So yeah i have sensation but it's weird and it also feels like that part of the rip is made of rubber. I can honestly say it has not improved at all.

How long since surgery ? 7 months ? how much of feeling you have now ?
how you eat ? how many kcal per day and do you eat a lot of vegatables and fruits ?


Triaca said less than one percen of permanent lip numbness. Take that with a bucket of salt.

less than 1% ?  haha what a dork.. What I know about 30% - 40% patients have some permanent feeling issue after surgery
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Lefortitude on February 24, 2017, 03:25:36 PM



less than 1% ?  haha what a dork.. What I know about 30% - 40% patients have some permanent feeling issue after surgery
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i dont think this could be possible, since there would be hundreds of people posting on forums like this and the german jaw surgery forum about it.  from my knowledge there are only a handful who have reported prolonged sensation loss.
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Rico on February 24, 2017, 04:06:07 PM
I asked people on Italian, Polish forums after jaw surgery  and at least every 3rd patient got no more than 90% of feeling
Some of them much less

I think you confuse completely lack of feeling with no 100% regeneration.

There is no good German forum. Germany is specific country .
You can find a lot of patient opinions in many countries and almost nothing on German forums
I tried to find my surgeon and I didn't find - he is well known

Find me something about Prof Hoelzle (not my surgeon) on German forums. I'm waitng ;)
It;s main German max fac surgeon

All "jaw" patients are informed that they may not get 100% feeling back, so why would they complain about that what they know ?

Why on this forum 50% of guys have permanent some loss of feeling ?
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Rico on February 24, 2017, 04:19:05 PM
by the way I was chatting with some guy from here who had surgery with Triaca.

Hey bro,, could you pm me here ? (i changed skype login)  I wonder how are you. I do not remember his nick from here ;)
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Rico on February 24, 2017, 04:57:27 PM
Good article: http://thejns.org/doi/pdf/10.3171/foc.2004.16.5.2
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Post by: Lefortitude on February 25, 2017, 10:52:42 PM
Rico I ment www.progenica.de/forum

i thought it was a german forum since that seems to be the language they speak.  im looking to perhaps see dr z and i wanted to see some reviews and patient experiences of his work before going forward.  he seems to have good reputation.
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Lazlo on February 26, 2017, 12:01:27 AM
SO apparently Triaca is a f**king asshole and his results suck. Brusco to the rescue!
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Rico on February 26, 2017, 03:55:41 AM
progenica.de  is a s**t

Lefortitude: so find me there opinions about MAIN German max fac surgeon - Prof F. Hoelzle from Aaachen hospital

I'm waiting
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Post by: Vic on February 26, 2017, 05:29:36 AM
It seems like Dr Z is the only go to surgeon in Europe
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Post by: Lestat on February 26, 2017, 08:11:05 AM
progenica.de  is a s**t

+1
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Lefortitude on February 26, 2017, 08:37:10 AM
Ok i did not know, thank you for the information.  Im yet to have surgery so im just doing my research and trying to learn, lest i accidently make my already decent face look or function worse
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: ppsk on February 26, 2017, 10:15:07 AM
It seems like Dr Z is the only go to surgeon in Europe

Seems like, but probably not. It helps dramatically of course that he speaks such good english.
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Post by: Onyx on February 26, 2017, 11:19:14 AM
Had to join just to say this, if we have learnt anything, then it is not to make Gods of any surgeon.
Any businessman will try to sell his wears and trash the competition.
Zarrinbal has already made false statements about HA and implants.
If you visit a surgeon KNOWING that you want his "wears" then great, but if you are trying to get impartial advice from one on what you need, then think again.

Implant surgeons will praise implants and tarnish osteotomies, vice versa for maxillofacial surgeons who don't use implants. Run of the mill plastic surgeons who can't use implants or perform osteotomies will say that they can recreate bone structure with fillers or fat and that the aforementioned look false...

Basically, no surgeon is your saviour by definition, do your research, if there is a procedure that you need and that a specific surgeon excells in then fantastic, go to them.

The more posts that I read from PloskoPlus, the more that I think he is usually bang on point.
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Post by: ppsk on February 26, 2017, 02:23:20 PM
Had to join just to say this, if we have learnt anything, then it is not to make Gods of any surgeon.
Any businessman will try to sell his wears and trash the competition.
Zarrinbal has already made false statements about HA and implants.
If you visit a surgeon KNOWING that you want his "wears" then great, but if you are trying to get impartial advice from one on what you need, then think again.

Implant surgeons will praise implants and tarnish osteotomies, vice versa for maxillofacial surgeons who don't use implants. Run of the mill plastic surgeons who can't use implants or perform osteotomies will say that they can recreate bone structure with fillers or fat and that the aforementioned look false...

Basically, no surgeon is your saviour by definition, do your research, if there is a procedure that you need and that a specific surgeon excells in then fantastic, go to them.

The more posts that I read from PloskoPlus, the more that I think he is usually bang on point.

 ???

How was my comment in anyway making a "god" out of anyone.

I am simply pointing out that while there might be a great deal of many very very good surgeons in Germany, this forum, catering to a mostly anglosphere audience, it helps sweeten the pot for us that Zarrinbal speaks nearly perfect english.

Theres a great deal many surgeons i would happily pay for a consult with but won't because their english is either poor or they simply do not speak it.
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: Onyx on February 26, 2017, 02:48:03 PM
???

How was my comment in anyway making a "god" out of anyone.

I am simply pointing out that while there might be a great deal of many very very good surgeons in Germany, this forum, catering to a mostly anglosphere audience, it helps sweeten the pot for us that Zarrinbal speaks nearly perfect english.

Theres a great deal many surgeons i would happily pay for a consult with but won't because their english is either poor or they simply do not speak it.
No your comment did not make a god of anyone and I'm sorry for implying it because I didn't even realise that I had quoted you lol.

Sorry my bad
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: ppsk on February 26, 2017, 03:33:21 PM
no problem
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: ExtractionsRuinFaces on February 26, 2017, 05:18:49 PM
also check if you have enough mandible for a chin wing first.  Apparently mines so hypoplastic there isnt enough bone to do a chin wing without certain damage to the nerve

can you show me a picture of what this looks like?
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Post by: Rico on February 27, 2017, 12:06:02 PM
My new saying

if you have enemy and you wish him bad... just send him to maxillo facial surgeon.
..just after enema of course as the enema is for enemy
Title: Re: HOW MUCH DOES TRIACA CHARGE FOR CHING WING??? ANYONE HAD HIM DO IT?
Post by: LeFort 3000 on March 07, 2017, 12:09:27 PM
honestly if you really want to go to pyramid I would say go with Dr. Brusco.  He is younger and has learned everything from Triaca, performed the procedure tons of times etc.  plus its outpatient so you dont have to pay 8000CHF to stay at pyramid over night.
what does chin-wing cost with brusco?