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General Category => Functional Surgery Questions => Topic started by: Lazlo on February 15, 2017, 07:10:07 PM
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yeah
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13k chf in 2015.
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wow, Dr. Z is half that if not less. Do you know if Triaca's is better or some s**t?
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wow, Dr. Z is half that if not less. Do you know if Triaca's is better or some s**t?
Z is no longer as cheap as he was. Triaca claims to have invented it... It's more like he repopularized it. I think he would have done far more of them than z. Do you really want to risk more nerve damage?
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honestly if you really want to go to pyramid I would say go with Dr. Brusco. He is younger and has learned everything from Triaca, performed the procedure tons of times etc. plus its outpatient so you dont have to pay 8000CHF to stay at pyramid over night.
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honestly if you really want to go to pyramid I would say go with Dr. Brusco. He is younger and has learned everything from Triaca, performed the procedure tons of times etc. plus its outpatient so you dont have to pay 8000CHF to stay at pyramid over night.
oh that's pretty sweet, thanks for the info Lefortidude!
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Z is no longer as cheap as he was. Triaca claims to have invented it... It's more like he repopularized it. I think he would have done far more of them than z. Do you really want to risk more nerve damage?
dude is there any way to reverse the nerve damage? Even in the lower right part of the lip it feels horrible. Sensation is always tingling when I touch it. So yeah i have sensation but it's weird and it also feels like that part of the rip is made of rubber. I can honestly say it has not improved at all.
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hw much advancement do u had??
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Lazlo i've had both ching wing and bimax.
My experience and what the surgeon told me is that Chin wing numbness/nerve tingling is only temporally, while numbness/tingling from BSSO is often permanent or will only improve somewhat. Not sure why.
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Lazlo i've had both ching wing and bimax.
My experience and what the surgeon told me is that Chin wing numbness/nerve tingling is only temporally, while numbness/tingling from BSSO is often permanent or will only improve somewhat. Not sure why.
hey dude, do you have any permanent numbness or change in sensation on your lips or chin?
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Not from the ching wing, i was 100% numb when i woke up but it all went away within two months. The bimax is another story >:(
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Not from the ching wing, i was 100% numb when i woke up but it all went away within two months. The bimax is another story >:(
i see, do you just have part of your lip numb or the whole lip? upper or lower?
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Small patch on my upper lip. It's the same s**t ploskoplus got after his lefort with permanent rubbery/burning sensation. f**king sucks but the point is that CW is a piece of cake compared and will not be as risky regarding permanent nerve damage.
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Small patch on my upper lip. It's the same s**t ploskoplus got after his lefort with permanent rubbery/burning sensation. f**king sucks but the point is that CW is a piece of cake compared and will not be as risky regarding permanent nerve damage.
thanks for the info bro. I really appreciate it as it give me some hope.
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honestly anyone tried injecting stem cells to the affected area? there's gotta be something one can do.
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also check if you have enough mandible for a chin wing first. Apparently mines so hypoplastic there isnt enough bone to do a chin wing without certain damage to the nerve
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honestly anyone tried injecting stem cells to the affected area? there's gotta be something one can do.
I contacted one max fac that does this. He immediately dismissed me. I think he only does it for severe neuralgia as a last resort. His message was be happy with your results, sometimes stuff like this happens. said removing the plates may make things better, make no difference or worse. That's it.
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also check if you have enough mandible for a chin wing first. Apparently mines so hypoplastic there isnt enough bone to do a chin wing without certain damage to the nerve
Who told you this? Fwiw triaca said he could not do one in only about 5 cases out of over 900.
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Who told you this? Fwiw triaca said he could not do one in only about 5 cases out of over 900.
Maxfac plastic surgeon i saw today told me after taking a good look at my case. I wonder how many cases/900 have had long lasting nerve damage.
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Maxfac plastic surgeon i saw today told me after taking a good look at my case. I wonder how many cases/900 have had long lasting nerve damage.
Triaca said less than one percen of permanent lip numbness. Take that with a bucket of salt.
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dude is there any way to reverse the nerve damage? Even in the lower right part of the lip it feels horrible. Sensation is always tingling when I touch it. So yeah i have sensation but it's weird and it also feels like that part of the rip is made of rubber. I can honestly say it has not improved at all.
I only recall you and ploskoplus as having numbness that you can't really get past or is so minor you don't notice it anymore. Is this numbness you both have different than the run of the mill bimax perma numbness, due to the tingling, rubber feeling or something else?
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I only recall you and ploskoplus as having numbness that you can't really get past or is so minor you don't notice it anymore. Is this numbness you both have different than the run of the mill bimax perma numbness, due to the tingling, rubber feeling or something else?
Lazlo is only 6 months out. He may still recover or at least adjust. I'm almost 2.5 years out and considering how mobile the upper lip is, I guess I'm the only hopeless one. How i hate my prick of a surgeon for wrecking me like this!
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Lazlo is only 6 months out. He may still recover or at least adjust. I'm almost 2.5 years out and considering how mobile the upper lip is, I guess I'm the only hopeless one. How i hate my prick of a surgeon for wrecking me like this!
I feel for you so much Plosko. Not only did you not achieve the result you hoped for but your have to face this. There will one day be a cure for most physical things --I'm sure of it. I just really hope they can fix your issue. I'll keep my eye out for any news.
I think meditation may help you a lot because it's all about developing an awareness of sensation without reacting to sensation. If you wanna know some tips about it pm me.
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I feel for you so much Plosko. Not only did you not achieve the result you hoped for but your have to face this. There will one day be a cure for most physical things --I'm sure of it. I just really hope they can fix your issue. I'll keep my eye out for any news.
I think meditation may help you a lot because it's all about developing an awareness of sensation without reacting to sensation. If you wanna know some tips about it pm me.
Lazlo
Thanks for your sympathies. Unfortunately you know exactly how I feel. I blame myself for not doing enough for diligence. My surgeons reputation was simplythe case of a big fish in a very small pond. It really sucks how we have to go through this hell. The bad luck of being born with a dentofacial deformity.
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Anyone know how much the risk of numbness is mitigated when a chin wing/side wing is performed on a younger patient (ie 18 yrs old)?
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Anyone know how much the risk is of numbness mitigated when a chin wing/side wing is performed on a younger patient (ie 18 yrs old)?
from my understanding, the difference will not be clinically significant.
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Lazlo i've had both ching wing and bimax.
My experience and what the surgeon told me is that Chin wing numbness/nerve tingling is only temporally, while numbness/tingling from BSSO is often permanent or will only improve somewhat. Not sure why.
Probably due to much more manipulation around the nerve and bigger risk of postop nerve compression in BSSO
dude is there any way to reverse the nerve damage? Even in the lower right part of the lip it feels horrible. Sensation is always tingling when I touch it. So yeah i have sensation but it's weird and it also feels like that part of the rip is made of rubber. I can honestly say it has not improved at all.
How long since surgery ? 7 months ? how much of feeling you have now ?
how you eat ? how many kcal per day and do you eat a lot of vegatables and fruits ?
Triaca said less than one percen of permanent lip numbness. Take that with a bucket of salt.
less than 1% ? haha what a dork.. What I know about 30% - 40% patients have some permanent feeling issue after surgery
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less than 1% ? haha what a dork.. What I know about 30% - 40% patients have some permanent feeling issue after surgery
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i dont think this could be possible, since there would be hundreds of people posting on forums like this and the german jaw surgery forum about it. from my knowledge there are only a handful who have reported prolonged sensation loss.
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I asked people on Italian, Polish forums after jaw surgery and at least every 3rd patient got no more than 90% of feeling
Some of them much less
I think you confuse completely lack of feeling with no 100% regeneration.
There is no good German forum. Germany is specific country .
You can find a lot of patient opinions in many countries and almost nothing on German forums
I tried to find my surgeon and I didn't find - he is well known
Find me something about Prof Hoelzle (not my surgeon) on German forums. I'm waitng ;)
It;s main German max fac surgeon
All "jaw" patients are informed that they may not get 100% feeling back, so why would they complain about that what they know ?
Why on this forum 50% of guys have permanent some loss of feeling ?
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by the way I was chatting with some guy from here who had surgery with Triaca.
Hey bro,, could you pm me here ? (i changed skype login) I wonder how are you. I do not remember his nick from here ;)
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Good article: http://thejns.org/doi/pdf/10.3171/foc.2004.16.5.2
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Rico I ment www.progenica.de/forum
i thought it was a german forum since that seems to be the language they speak. im looking to perhaps see dr z and i wanted to see some reviews and patient experiences of his work before going forward. he seems to have good reputation.
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SO apparently Triaca is a f**king asshole and his results suck. Brusco to the rescue!
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progenica.de is a s**t
Lefortitude: so find me there opinions about MAIN German max fac surgeon - Prof F. Hoelzle from Aaachen hospital
I'm waiting
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It seems like Dr Z is the only go to surgeon in Europe
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progenica.de is a s**t
+1
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Ok i did not know, thank you for the information. Im yet to have surgery so im just doing my research and trying to learn, lest i accidently make my already decent face look or function worse
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It seems like Dr Z is the only go to surgeon in Europe
Seems like, but probably not. It helps dramatically of course that he speaks such good english.
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Had to join just to say this, if we have learnt anything, then it is not to make Gods of any surgeon.
Any businessman will try to sell his wears and trash the competition.
Zarrinbal has already made false statements about HA and implants.
If you visit a surgeon KNOWING that you want his "wears" then great, but if you are trying to get impartial advice from one on what you need, then think again.
Implant surgeons will praise implants and tarnish osteotomies, vice versa for maxillofacial surgeons who don't use implants. Run of the mill plastic surgeons who can't use implants or perform osteotomies will say that they can recreate bone structure with fillers or fat and that the aforementioned look false...
Basically, no surgeon is your saviour by definition, do your research, if there is a procedure that you need and that a specific surgeon excells in then fantastic, go to them.
The more posts that I read from PloskoPlus, the more that I think he is usually bang on point.
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Had to join just to say this, if we have learnt anything, then it is not to make Gods of any surgeon.
Any businessman will try to sell his wears and trash the competition.
Zarrinbal has already made false statements about HA and implants.
If you visit a surgeon KNOWING that you want his "wears" then great, but if you are trying to get impartial advice from one on what you need, then think again.
Implant surgeons will praise implants and tarnish osteotomies, vice versa for maxillofacial surgeons who don't use implants. Run of the mill plastic surgeons who can't use implants or perform osteotomies will say that they can recreate bone structure with fillers or fat and that the aforementioned look false...
Basically, no surgeon is your saviour by definition, do your research, if there is a procedure that you need and that a specific surgeon excells in then fantastic, go to them.
The more posts that I read from PloskoPlus, the more that I think he is usually bang on point.
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How was my comment in anyway making a "god" out of anyone.
I am simply pointing out that while there might be a great deal of many very very good surgeons in Germany, this forum, catering to a mostly anglosphere audience, it helps sweeten the pot for us that Zarrinbal speaks nearly perfect english.
Theres a great deal many surgeons i would happily pay for a consult with but won't because their english is either poor or they simply do not speak it.
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How was my comment in anyway making a "god" out of anyone.
I am simply pointing out that while there might be a great deal of many very very good surgeons in Germany, this forum, catering to a mostly anglosphere audience, it helps sweeten the pot for us that Zarrinbal speaks nearly perfect english.
Theres a great deal many surgeons i would happily pay for a consult with but won't because their english is either poor or they simply do not speak it.
No your comment did not make a god of anyone and I'm sorry for implying it because I didn't even realise that I had quoted you lol.
Sorry my bad
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no problem
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also check if you have enough mandible for a chin wing first. Apparently mines so hypoplastic there isnt enough bone to do a chin wing without certain damage to the nerve
can you show me a picture of what this looks like?
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My new saying
if you have enemy and you wish him bad... just send him to maxillo facial surgeon.
..just after enema of course as the enema is for enemy
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honestly if you really want to go to pyramid I would say go with Dr. Brusco. He is younger and has learned everything from Triaca, performed the procedure tons of times etc. plus its outpatient so you dont have to pay 8000CHF to stay at pyramid over night.
what does chin-wing cost with brusco?