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General Category => Aesthetics => Topic started by: Cobolt2 on March 26, 2019, 07:04:44 AM
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What do you guys think, can I get a result close to the second picture in which I have my teeth edge to edge (some jutting involved)
The third pic is when I jut even more and pull my skin back and the results is that straight jawline which is the dream scenario.
If I do my surgery it will be in Europe. My first choice is in Spain at Dr Birbes clinic. He has a good rating on whatclinic.com and seems trustworthy (maxillofacial surgeon)
I am thinking about 8mm vertical lengthening maximum (8mm is how much my chin is vertically lengthened in pic 2 as I measured my teeth) and I'm not sure about what horizontal advancement should be yet.
What do you guys think, am I realistic?
More pictures of me below
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Few more pics, more unflattering than the first three in my first post
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Forgot to mention.
I have a tendency to a deep bite
I have a deep labiomental fold because of this
I have a class 1 bite.
The main thing is to increase my vertical length of the chin to reduce the labiomental fold. In my estimation around 8 mm. Forward projection around 5mm maybe? I really dont know.
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I'm not sure about the amount of movements but pic 2 is realistic, however you would look much better with full jaw surgery. You would need a couple years of braces to create an overjet before, I'm pretty sure braces could give you a class II bite.
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I'm not sure about the amount of movements but pic 2 is realistic, however you would look much better with full jaw surgery. You would need a couple years of braces to create an overjet before, I'm pretty sure braces could give you a class II bite.
I think the difference here would be minimal and not worth the time/expense/risk. Are you suggesting he create a class 2 bite to get a couple mm out of a BSSO? A vertical lengthening/horizontal projecting genioplasty would soften his labiomental fold and balance out his face a bit more, which are the main concerns I see.
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I think the difference here would be minimal and not worth the time/expense/risk. Are you suggesting he create a class 2 bite to get a couple mm out of a BSSO? A vertical lengthening/horizontal projecting genioplasty would soften his labiomental fold and balance out his face a bit more, which are the main concerns I see.
He could get a few mms from the braces plus a few mm more from a maxilla advancement, he would end up with a really nice projecting jaw. His nose would also look smaller, his cheeks fuller...
Of course, a lot more money, time and pain would go into that. That's just my view, something I believe he could talk with a surgeon, but a camouflage genioplasty would look good too.
Remember a few mms in the face are like miles.
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Full jaw surgery is out of the question, I don't have time nor money to do it. How come my nose looks so much bigger fram a 45 degree angle than from a side view though?
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He could get a few mms from the braces plus a few mm more from a maxilla advancement, he would end up with a really nice projecting jaw. His nose would also look smaller, his cheeks fuller...
Of course, a lot more money, time and pain would go into that. That's just my view, something I believe he could talk with a surgeon, but a camouflage genioplasty would look good too.
Remember a few mms in the face are like miles.
His maxilla is not recessed and his nose is already slightly large for his face. Advancing the maxilla at all could have adverse effects on both his nasal width, angle and lip curve. I advise strongly against that. I think he looks very well balanced in the picture labeled "picture 3".
Cobolt: I agree that your nose does look slightly larger in the 3/4 view. My own flaws are also exaggerated at that angle and I'm not sure exactly what causes it. I think a genioplasty will help balance out your nose and give you a nice lower 3rd. You could opt for a rhinoplasty at the same time, but that is obviously more expensive and adds another unpredictable variable that would need to be balanced.
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His maxilla is not recessed and his nose is already slightly large for his face. Advancing the maxilla at all could have adverse effects on both his nasal width, angle and lip curve. I advise strongly against that. I think he looks very well balanced in the picture labeled "picture 3".
Menapilo: I agree that your nose does look slightly larger in the 3/4 view. My own flaws are also exaggerated at that angle and I'm not sure exactly what causes it. I think a genioplasty will help balance out your nose and give you a nice lower 3rd. You could opt for a rhinoplasty at the same time, but that is obviously more expensive and adds another unpredictable variable that would need to be balanced.
I'm so thankfull for your input. I have thoughts of doing a rhina as well but I hope and think that the smartest way is to do the genio first and if I'm happy with it, the surgeon will have the final result of the genio to proceed from.
Can't help to think why my nose looks so bad from that angle :/
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What do you guys think, can I get a result close to the second picture in which I have my teeth edge to edge (some jutting involved)
The third pic is when I jut even more and pull my skin back and the results is that straight jawline which is the dream scenario.
If I do my surgery it will be in Europe. My first choice is in Spain at Dr Birbes clinic. He has a good rating on whatclinic.com and seems trustworthy (maxillofacial surgeon)
I am thinking about 8mm vertical lengthening maximum (8mm is how much my chin is vertically lengthened in pic 2 as I measured my teeth) and I'm not sure about what horizontal advancement should be yet.
What do you guys think, am I realistic?
More pictures of me below
I'll tell you what a typical realistic surgical correction for deep bite is, especially so with some surgeons in Spain (including yours) using high tech VSP (virtual planning software).
Even though you might have reasons NOT to go through with the full surgical correction, knowing what it is should help you understand better that what you are doing in the mirror, does NOT mimick a genio (type to both bring forward the chin and and also make vertically longer) but RATHER what you are doing in mirror mimicks more closely the full surgical correction for deep bite.
Firstly, NOTE what you are doing in order to advance out your chin/jaw.
Q: Are you able to do it when your teeth are in occlusion?
A: Answer for deep biters is usually 'NO'. The upper incisors PREVENT bringing jaw forward when in occlusion. In order for a deep biter to bring the jaw forward, they first have to LOWER it until they get the front teeth edge to edge.
Q: When your front teeth are edge to edge, is there a SPACE between the upper and lower BACK teeth?
A: Answer for deep biters is usually; 'YES'.
That said, even though your chin goes both forward and down when you LOWER your JAW in order to JUT it out, what's making you look good in the mirror is MORE than ONLY the chin going down and forward. What you are doing is creating 'FACE SPACE' that a genio ALONE (even one that advances the chin in addition to elongaging it) just WON'T do. It won't give you the look you are wanting in the mirror.
Here is what they would need to do for you to get CLOSE to the FACE SPACE you are creating when you do what you're doing in the mirror:
1: Extended period of braces (can be close to a year or so) in preparation for the surgery. One of the aims is to 'buck out' the upper front teeth. This is because it's common for people with deep bite to have the upper front teeth either positioned vertically or retro-clined (as opposed to them being angled forward). The vertical or retro inclination of the upper incisors tends to act as a 'clasp' as to prevent the lower jaw comming forward and could obstruct forward movement of lower jaw if not 'bucked out' in preparation for surgery. They act as clasp to keep the lower jaw in a backward position.
2: 3 piece Lefort 1. Usually needed displace the front part of upper jaw INDEPENDENTLY from BACK part of upper jaw. The back part comes DOWN for more elongation to that area. (so there isn't a space between the upper and lower BACK teeth). The front part can be rotated up and/or outwards. Both of these together is 'CCW' rotation, usually involving a posterior down graft.
3: #2 above allows for #3 which is bringing the WHOLE lower jaw FORWARD via a BSSO which also brings the chin more forward.
4: Since #3 brings your chin forward with the BSSO, the direction of the genio for deep biters is usually DIAGONALLY DOWNWARD. This is because deep biters usually have what's called 'short chin' which refers to it's vertical deficiency.
Again, you may not want to pursue the full surgical correction for deep bite--for what ever personal reasons-- but genio with advancement plus elongation WILL NOT do for you what you are doing in the mirror.
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I'm not sure about the amount of movements but pic 2 is realistic, however you would look much better with full jaw surgery. You would need a couple years of braces to create an overjet before, I'm pretty sure braces could give you a class II bite.
Correct that he would look better with full jaw surgery. But for reasons that what he's doing in the mirror--although not an exact prediction of it-- is giving himself the type of 'face space' the type of full jaw surgery for DEEP BITE would give him. Also correct that he would need a long stretch of braces to prepare for it. They 'buck out' the top teeth as part of the correction of what he has which helps give room to move the lower jaw forward. He most certainly is NOT showing what only a genio (advance + elongation) would do.
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I think the difference here would be minimal and not worth the time/expense/risk. Are you suggesting he create a class 2 bite to get a couple mm out of a BSSO? A vertical lengthening/horizontal projecting genioplasty would soften his labiomental fold and balance out his face a bit more, which are the main concerns I see.
'Bucking out' the front teeth, in preparation for full surgical correction of deep bite is what they need to do. So, yes, that gives a class 2. But like most brace work that prepares for surgery they need to give the wrong bite--temporarily-- in order to get the right bite with the surgery. What you DON'T see is the same thing that he doesn't see which is the space he's creating inside his mouth by posturing his jaw the way he's doing so that his chin goes forward and down. Full surgical correction will get his bite/occlusion to fill in that space. Stand alone genio will NOT.
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Full jaw surgery is out of the question, I don't have time nor money to do it. How come my nose looks so much bigger fram a 45 degree angle than from a side view though?
That may be so due to personal preference but what you are doing in the mirror is NOT realistic to expect an isolated genio to do for you. See my prior explanation. Birbe would tell you similar if you showed what you were doing in mirror and asked if a genio would reproduce that.
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'Bucking out' the front teeth, in preparation for full surgical correction of deep bite is what they need to do. So, yes, that gives a class 2. But like most brace work that prepares for surgery they need to give the wrong bite--temporarily-- in order to get the right bite with the surgery. What you DON'T see is the same thing that he doesn't see which is the space he's creating inside his mouth by posturing his jaw the way he's doing so that his chin goes forward and down. Full surgical correction will get his bite/occlusion to fill in that space. Stand alone genio will NOT.
Okay, I see what you’re saying. Looking at “picture 3” again it’s apparent his teeth are probably not in occlusion. Do you think he could still benefit from just a genio? It may not replicate what he’s doing in the pic but his chin is still vertically short.
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I'm so thankfull for your input. I have thoughts of doing a rhina as well but I hope and think that the smartest way is to do the genio first and if I'm happy with it, the surgeon will have the final result of the genio to proceed from.
Can't help to think why my nose looks so bad from that angle :/
Actually, the dumbest thing to do is to get the isolated genio and EXPECT it will do for your face what you are showing in the mirror by lowering your jaw and jutting it forward. (See my prior explanation.)
The reason your nose looks LARGE in your 3/4 view is that you are not opening up 'face space' as you are doing in your profile view when you lower your jaw and jut it out. So, the nose would look relatively less large with MORE 'face space' which is what you are giving yourself in the mirror in the profile views. But it's the full surgical correction which would give you the extra 'face space' that you are kicking up by jaw jutting.
Also, rhino is best considered AFTER maxfax/bimax surgery. Bad idea to get rhino and chin augmentation FIRST before maxfax surgery IF at some point later down the line you want the full surgery. Best done afterwards because the surgery can make the nose look in better balance especially a surgery the opens up face space as in what you are doing in the mirror to COUNTER the look of the DEEP BITE.
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Okay, I see what you’re saying. Looking at “picture 3” again it’s apparent his teeth are probably not in occlusion. Do you think he could still benefit from just a genio? It may not replicate what he’s doing in the pic but his chin is still vertically short.
They are most certainly not in occlusion. A deep biter will have a SPACE between is upper and lower BACK teeth when he lowers his jaw to get the front teeth to meet edge to edge. He would most certainly NOT have the benefit he's demonstrating in the mirror with a stand alone genio. Stand alone genio is never the 'solution' for recession to the jaw which is what he has with his DEEP bite.
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Forgot to mention.
I have a tendency to a deep bite
I have a deep labiomental fold because of this
I have a class 1 bite.
The main thing is to increase my vertical length of the chin to reduce the labiomental fold. In my estimation around 8 mm. Forward projection around 5mm maybe? I really dont know.
Better check on that. Deep bite is often Class 2 Division 2.
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Hello kavan, thanks for your input.
I've read through all of what you have said and I still have a hard time understanding why a single genio wouldn't give me satisfying results. Of course my teeth are not in occlusion when jutting my jaw forward.
I mean, if you look at the very first picture in my post where my teeth are in occlusion, and you imagine my chin going diagonally downward, wouldn't this result in a scenario close to the picture below it? I mean, bones are being moved, something is going to happen in a downward and forward direction.
OBSERVE I'm only talking about the frontal part of my face. Look at the pictures below. Is this an unrealistic result from a genio alone?
An oral surgeon told me that I have a class 1 bite, also I do not know if I qualify of having a deep bite, the same surgeon said that I have a tendency to having a deep bite. Maybe I am a class 2 bite skeltally but masked by having a dental class1 bite idk, all I know is that I have a dental class 1 bite.
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Hello kavan, thanks for your input.
I've read through all of what you have said and I still have a hard time understanding why a single genio wouldn't give me satisfying results. Of course my teeth are not in occlusion when jutting my jaw forward.
I mean, if you look at the very first picture in my post where my teeth are in occlusion, and you imagine my chin going diagonally downward, wouldn't this result in a scenario close to the picture below it? I mean, bones are being moved, something is going to happen in a downward and forward direction.
OBSERVE I'm only talking about the frontal part of my face. Look at the pictures below. Is this an unrealistic result from a genio alone?
An oral surgeon told me that I have a class 1 bite, also I do not know if I qualify of having a deep bite, the same surgeon said that I have a tendency to having a deep bite. Maybe I am a class 2 bite skeltally but masked by having a dental class1 bite idk, all I know is that I have a dental class 1 bite.
I don't think you have a hard time 'understanding'. That should not be the case given i broke down the explanation so most people would understand. More of a matter that you would like to believe or HOPE a genio would do for you what you're doing with your jaw in the mirror. I'm just letting you find out the easy way.
If you want to get an idea of how a genio would look, maintain your bite and put some flesh colored putty over your chin.
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I don't think you have a hard time 'understanding'. That should not be the case given i broke down the explanation so most people would understand. More of a matter that you would like to believe or HOPE a genio would do for you what you're doing with your jaw in the mirror. I'm just letting you find out the easy way.
If you want to get an idea of how a genio would look, maintain your bite and put some flesh colored putty over your chin.
I am looking at before and after pictures of genioplastys and I while looking at some incredible results I still can't see why it wouldn't be possible to get the results I want. I recently sent the same pictures to Dr Alejandro Nogueira and he told me it wasnt unrealistic.
If I were to put flesh colored putty on my chin it wouldn't have any "dragging down" effect on the soft tissue as a vertically lengthening genio would have.
Im not looking for a sliding genio, I'm looking for a 8mm vertical lengthening which would decrease my labiomental fold and a horizontal projection of max 7mm.
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Correct that he would look better with full jaw surgery. But for reasons that what he's doing in the mirror--although not an exact prediction of it-- is giving himself the type of 'face space' the type of full jaw surgery for DEEP BITE would give him. Also correct that he would need a long stretch of braces to prepare for it. They 'buck out' the top teeth as part of the correction of what he has which helps give room to move the lower jaw forward. He most certainly is NOT showing what only a genio (advance + elongation) would do.
Yeah, viewing it again you're right. I still think a genio could give him some improvement if he doesn't want real jaw surgery.
Do you agree his maxilla is recessed? Just by looking at it I'd say so, I think some people do not understand that you can have both jaws recessed, not everybody has a small mandible only or a large mandible and small maxilla. I had both of them recessed, although the maxilla more so.
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Yeah, viewing it again you're right. I still think a genio could give him some improvement if he doesn't want real jaw surgery.
Do you agree his maxilla is recessed? Just by looking at it I'd say so, I think some people do not understand that you can have both jaws recessed, not everybody has a small mandible only or a large mandible and small maxilla. I had both of them recessed, although the maxilla more so.
Visually, his maxilla is at least in the ‘normal’ range. Maxilla projection isn’t that important for male aesthetics and advancing it with a LF1 rather than natural growth can have bad side effects. I see no reason to risk this when his aesthetic deficiency is due to his mandible/chin. If he were to get a bimax he should get mandible advancement via CCW while keeping the maxilla as horizontally neutral as possible.
Kavan is right from a technical perspective about what Cobolt is doing in the photos. I still maintain a genioplasty would be beneficial, and I would add that putting putty on your chin does not give an accurate representation of what a genioplasty would achieve. You would need to put the putty under your skin.
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I don't agree regarding the putty at all, basically what you are saying with that kacan, is that a genioplasty cant' level out a deep labiomental fold which in fact it really can.
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I don't agree regarding the putty at all, basically what you are saying with that kacan, is that a genioplasty cant' level out a deep labiomental fold which in fact it really can.
One does NOT simulate a genio by jutting out the jaw. It's YOUR face. Do what you want with it. You've been advised. End of story.
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Visually, his maxilla is at least in the ‘normal’ range. Maxilla projection isn’t that important for male aesthetics and advancing it with a LF1 rather than natural growth can have bad side effects. I see no reason to risk this when his aesthetic deficiency is due to his mandible/chin. If he were to get a bimax he should get mandible advancement via CCW while keeping the maxilla as horizontally neutral as possible.
Kavan is right from a technical perspective about what Cobolt is doing in the photos. I still maintain a genioplasty would be beneficial, and I would add that putting putty on your chin does not give an accurate representation of what a genioplasty would achieve. You would need to put the putty under your skin.
Jutting out the jaw does NOT simulate a genio. he can get the genio and find that out for himself.
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Jutting out the jaw does NOT simulate a genio. he can get the genio and find that out for himself.
Why so hostile? I have never tried to simulate a genio, I was just showing how I look most of the time (jutting my jaw) and that I would like a result kind of like that. Mostly what I'm interested in is a straight horizontal jawline and it seems to me that it can be possible with a genioplasty. My second goal is to decrease the fold by increasing my chin height which also should be possible looking at before/after pics of others.
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I am looking at before and after pictures of genioplastys and I while looking at some incredible results I still can't see why it wouldn't be possible to get the results I want. I recently sent the same pictures to Dr Alejandro Nogueira and he told me it wasnt unrealistic.
If I were to put flesh colored putty on my chin it wouldn't have any "dragging down" effect on the soft tissue as a vertically lengthening genio would have.
Im not looking for a sliding genio, I'm looking for a 8mm vertical lengthening which would decrease my labiomental fold and a horizontal projection of max 7mm.
Then get your genio and come back to relay how it works out for you. I've given my advice. Best way for you to find out that it won't look like you are doing in the mirror is to JUST GET IT. I did NOT say 'sliding genio' in any of my posts. Check your reading comprehension.
Enough time spent giving you advice you won't be getting elsewhere. Do what you're going to do.
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Why so hostile? I have never tried to simulate a genio, I was just showing how I look most of the time (jutting my jaw) and that I would like a result kind of like that. Mostly what I'm interested in is a straight horizontal jawline and it seems to me that it can be possible with a genioplasty. My second gold is to decrease the fold by increasing my chin height which also should be possible looking at before/after pics of others.
End of advising you because enough was already given. Do what you are going to do and report back how it works for you.
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Why so hostile? I have never tried to simulate a genio, I was just showing how I look most of the time (jutting my jaw) and that I would like a result kind of like that. Mostly what I'm interested in is a straight horizontal jawline and it seems to me that it can be possible with a genioplasty. My second goal is to decrease the fold by increasing my chin height which also should be possible looking at before/after pics of others.
He writes like that don’t take it personally. He did give you some good info about what you are ‘actually’ doing in the pictures you provided along with a detailed explanation of how that would be replicated with jaw surgery. The genio IS in fact different than what you are doing and will therefore have a different aesthetic effect. I personally think you would still benefit from it even if it does not replicate what you are doing. You need to ask your surgeon about all of this before going through with it, and communicate exactly what you want. Some surgeons do morphs which would help.
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I have similar jaw issues. Deep bite, recessed chin. I didn’t qualify for full jaw surgery on NHS but they offered mrs genio and I took it. It’s a definite aesthetic improvement, really it changed my life going from weak chin to strong chin.
It’s not perfect, it’s maskinv a problem and maybe full jaw surgery would have fixed all my problems. But read around on this board, it doesn’t always go well and it’s a lot of time and money to invest.
Good luck with what ever you decide.
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End of advising you because enough was already given. Do what you are going to do and report back how it works for you.
I have now read through it calm and slowly and understand what you said better.
It makes me sad that I probably never will be able to fix my face and keep living in a lonely depressed state.
I now understand face space and it's effect and how it makes the nose look smaller, it's very logical.
I don't have to look exactly like how I look when I jut my jaw forward, that would be the dream scenario.
One question. Jaw position most of the time (except when eating) is creating it's own free space (2.5-3mm in my case) by not having the bite closed. These are very important 3mm in vertical increase which I hope can work to my advantage if I only do a genioplasty. I understand that I will have a squished face when eating if I go through with a genio but I have that now as well and I can live with that if it looks better when my teeth isn't in occlusion.
In the pic of me below my teeth are not in occlusion (my relaxed state)
From looking at that picture, can I get major improvement in a balance/harmony kind of way?
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I don't get it. To me, you look better than the vast majority of people out there. Why would you be depressed? Because you have a weak chin? Are you in a lot of constant pain or something?
Have I been transported into the deep future where this look is unacceptable? What's going on here...
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He writes like that don’t take it personally. He did give you some good info about what you are ‘actually’ doing in the pictures you provided along with a detailed explanation of how that would be replicated with jaw surgery. The genio IS in fact different than what you are doing and will therefore have a different aesthetic effect. I personally think you would still benefit from it even if it does not replicate what you are doing. You need to ask your surgeon about all of this before going through with it, and communicate exactly what you want. Some surgeons do morphs which would help.
Just to note, I don't deny that your advice to get an isolated genio would not give him some improvement. It's just that his aesthetic issue isn't isolated to only his chin.
He could get improvement to only his chin with isolated genio (that advances and elongates). But more improvement to whole lower 1/3rd of face with full correction (which would also include genio).
Here's a morph study that includes your suggestion for isolated genio.
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I have now read through it calm and slowly and understand what you said better.
It makes me sad that I probably never will be able to fix my face and keep living in a lonely depressed state.
I know understand face space and it's effect and how it makes the nose look smaller, it's very logical.
I don't have to look exactly like how I look when I jut my jaw forward, that would be the dream scenario.
One question. Jaw position most of the time (except when eating) is creating it's own free space (2.5-3mm in my case) by not having the bite closed. These are very important 3mm in vertical increase which I hope can work to my advantage if I only do a genioplasty. I understand that I will have a squished face when eating if I go through with a genio but I have that now as well and I can live with that if it looks better when my teeth isn't in occlusion.
In the pic of me below my teeth are not in occlusion (my relaxed state)
From looking at that picture, can I get major improvement in a balance/harmony kind of way?
See my post to 'post bimax' where I included some morphs.
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I have now read through it calm and slowly and understand what you said better.
It makes me sad that I probably never will be able to fix my face and keep living in a lonely depressed state.
I now understand face space and it's effect and how it makes the nose look smaller, it's very logical.
I don't have to look exactly like how I look when I jut my jaw forward, that would be the dream scenario.
One question. Jaw position most of the time (except when eating) is creating it's own free space (2.5-3mm in my case) by not having the bite closed. These are very important 3mm in vertical increase which I hope can work to my advantage if I only do a genioplasty. I understand that I will have a squished face when eating if I go through with a genio but I have that now as well and I can live with that if it looks better when my teeth isn't in occlusion.
In the pic of me below my teeth are not in occlusion (my relaxed state)
From looking at that picture, can I get major improvement in a balance/harmony kind of way?
If you’re lonely and depressed, your issues are more psychological than physical. Your chin is somewhat ‘weak’ but you are still attractive. JS and PS are not a panacea for psych issues and can sometimes exacerbate them. I think you should carefully consider what your actual problems are and be realistic about even what an ideal result will do for you.
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Just to note, I don't deny that your advice to get an isolated genio would not give him some improvement. It's just that his aesthetic issue isn't isolated to only his chin.
He could get improvement to only his chin with isolated genio (that advances and elongates). But more improvement to whole lower 1/3rd of face with full correction (which would also include genio).
Here's a morph study that includes your suggestion for isolated genio.
Thank you so much for these morphs!!
When I look at the morphs my first thought is that I can be happy and satisfied with just a genio, if the crease is to deep after that it can easily be fixed with fillers.
I am also thinking about BSSO and I would pursue it if I could get away without touching the maxilla. That is a matter off how much my upper front teeth can be moved /bucked forward and my lower front teeth can be moved backwards am I correct?
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Thank you so much for these morphs!!
When I look at the morphs my first thought is that I can be happy and satisfied with just a genio, if the crease is to deep after that it can easily be fixed with fillers.
I am also thinking about BSSO and I would pursue it if I could get away without touching the maxilla. That is a matter off how much my upper front teeth can be moved /bucked forward and my lower front teeth can be moved backwards am I correct?
You need a bimax if you go the JS route because you need a posterior downgraft of the maxilla.
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I'm done taking selfies with my phone.
Which picture is telling the truth?
My nose looks absolutely HUGE and projecting in the first pic and pretty normal in the second one?
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Thank you so much for these morphs!!
When I look at the morphs my first thought is that I can be happy and satisfied with just a genio, if the crease is to deep after that it can easily be fixed with fillers.
I am also thinking about BSSO and I would pursue it if I could get away without touching the maxilla. That is a matter off how much my upper front teeth can be moved /bucked forward and my lower front teeth can be moved backwards am I correct?
The morphs of the full treatment have the Lefort 1 region (upper jaw) moved. It, the LEFORT 1 is a vital part of the full correction. Braces to 'buck out' the teeth more are in preparation of the Lefort 1. This was described in my Reply #9 on this string.
I contend that information has ALREADY been explained, illustrated and broken down sufficiently and more than ample for someone of at least average intelligence to have NO PROBLEM drawing the right conclusions from it as to NOT ask the question you just asked.
Sorry, but it must be said that IF you need answers to questions where the answers are ALREADY WITHIN the information provided, you need to improve your comprehension, information processing abilities and much more so than your face.
It ISN'T your FACE that's holding you back.
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I'm done taking selfies with my phone.
Which picture is telling the truth?
My nose looks absolutely HUGE and projecting in the first pic and pretty normal in the second one?
Both pictures are telling the 'truth'; your nose looks different from different angles. This is true of all facial features. This is true of all objects. You are asking questions that answer themselves. Now asking WHY your nose looks bigger at the 3/4ths angle than in profile is a valid question that I don't have a good answer for. I suspect it has something to do with the relationship between your nose and face at different angles, just as your nose looks relatively smaller when jutting your jaw to create more 'face space'.
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Objects closer to the camera lens appear larger.
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The morphs of the full treatment have the Lefort 1 region (upper jaw) moved. It, the LEFORT 1 is a vital part of the full correction. Braces to 'buck out' the teeth more are in preparation of the Lefort 1. This was described in my Reply #9 on this string.
I contend that information has ALREADY been explained, illustrated and broken down sufficiently and more than ample for someone of at least average intelligence to have NO PROBLEM drawing the right conclusions from it as to NOT ask the question you just asked.
Sorry, but it must be said that IF you need answers to questions where the answers are ALREADY WITHIN the information provided, you need to improve your comprehension, information processing abilities and much more so than your face.
It ISN'T your FACE that's holding you back.
I'm sorry, my depression makes me dumb, don't take offence of my stupidity. I am gratefull for all info and your time spent on helping me understand
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I'm sorry, my depression makes me dumb
I figured. You're already a normal (and even good) looking guy. You can get your genio or save up for a bimax, but your 'deformity' is not so significant that it should cause depression. Consider whether addressing your debilitating psychological issues will improve your quality of life more than a few millimeters of bone on an already decent face.
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I'm done taking selfies with my phone.
Which picture is telling the truth?
My nose looks absolutely HUGE and projecting in the first pic and pretty normal in the second one?
Don't do Rhino. Your nose is ok. Rhino almost never looks good on a male. Your nose looks slightly too big because your jaw and chin are a bit recessed. A man with slightly larger nose = masculine.
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Don't do Rhino. Your nose is ok. Rhino almost never looks good on a male. Your nose looks slightly too big because your jaw and chin are a bit recessed. A man with slightly larger nose = masculine.
The nose cannot be made shorter with rhinoplasty, unless it's a very droopy long tip that needs raising. The only way to balance the face in such cases is to advance the jaws (although if your forehead is shorter than your middle third, it may not be worthwhile). Of course, rhinoplasty surgeons will not tell you this. Instead, because "when all you have is a hammer, everything is a nail" and Ferraris don't grow on trees, they will try to reduce those dimensions of the nose they can reduce. But a long nose made smaller in other dimensions will look LONGER, and the hapless patient may then end up on a rhino revision treadmill.
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@Cobolt2 you basically have my phenotype.
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Have you done any surgery?
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Objects closer to the camera lens appear larger.
So to get pictures more close to the truth it's better to take them at a little bit of a distance?
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So to get pictures more close to the truth it's better to take them at a little bit of a distance?
Yes.
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Any updates?
Your face reminds me of my own in terms of the issues (although I feel like you're better looking)
I also have a big nose (looks very big from certain angles)
And a slightly weak chin/jaw.
I'm sure full on jaw surgery would be best, but never gonna happen. So Been considering genio.
I'm extra interested in you because you mentioned Dr Alleandro Nueigra. Someone I was consulting with!