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Before/After Photos => Overbites => Topic started by: nrelax11 on May 02, 2014, 09:50:27 PM
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(http://i58.tinypic.com/14ww041.jpg) Im biting down here and you can see my teeth still. I show more with a relaxed face.
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(http://i58.tinypic.com/289zvw3.jpg) This profile pic sucks, but my bottom lip sticks out further than my upper.
(http://i58.tinypic.com/16k4c3b.jpg)heres with my mouth closed. As you can see I have no visible strain, but I cant shut it with being very uncomfortable
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Does my mandible seen recessed at all? I still dont,it know if my lower jaw is going to be lengthened, but If my surgeon is going to be advancing my upper jaw, id figure it would be. They've opened up my overbite a bit, but it doesnt seem to be too big. My overjet is bigger too, but hopefully since theyre impacting my maxilla, the auto-rotation will close it. Fingerd crossed that my lower jaw wont be touched. According to my ortho, everytime i ask him about my lower, he says people always get better results if both jaws are advanced in the same situation as me.
Can anyone tell me usually how long planning takes for the surgeon before surgery? He knows I want It sometime in the beginning half of June, but I dont know if that will happen.
Here are some before:
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I think you should try and maintain the current relationship of your jaws (since you already quite good-looking) and ask the surgeon what the lower jaw movements would be to keep such a relationship, and if it is less than 3mm and not going to help you functionally, then you should avoid it imo.
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I think you should try and maintain the current relationship of your jaws (since you already quite good-looking) and ask the surgeon what the lower jaw movements would be to keep such a relationship, and if it is less than 3mm and not going to help you functionally, then you should avoid it imo.
So you think I should just have impaction? My ortho said I need advancement of my maxilla along with my impaction. I for surely need the impaction done because the lip incompetence is driving me crazy and putting a ton of strain on my mouth. I really dont remember when the verticle growth occured. I feel like after high school my upper jaw slowly got longer and I got a gummier and gummier smile. I'll find out around the 20th what type of movements Ill need
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So I got my xrays and molds taken today. I f**king thought this was my last appointment before setting up a surgery date, but no. I have to wait another month to close some gaps and then be in bands for a little bit. He said I should be ready by July though. Im setting up my appointment tomorrow to see my surgeon though :)
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BSSO looks simpler than lefort, but it's one mother of an operation by all accounts. Your profile is balanced already. The autorotation should be enough, IMO.
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BSSO looks simpler than lefort, but it's one mother of an operation by all accounts. Your profile is balanced already. The autorotation should be enough, IMO.
Yea I really really dont want a BSSO. Just a lot less risk without it. I'll try and get the photos of my bite from my ortho and see what you guys think about my overbite/overjet. I really would like my maxilla advanced because I am recessed, but im worried if I have that done, the auto-rotation from my impaction wont be enough to close my bite.
Seeing my surgeon on the 2nd of June to discuss my surgery plans. Maybe sooner, but im waiting for my othro to send him a few things. Ill probably get a estimate on what type of movements Ill be having. I havent seen him in a while, so he can see what my overbite looks like nown
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So I saw my surgeon today and im going to be scheduling my surgery within this next week. It wont be untill around mid July though since I still have a few tweaks with my braces. Soooo, he told me its all up to me, but that I should also have my maxilla and mandible advanced. He said my maxilla will be advanced around 4 or 5 mm, but he still need to do measurements and s**t. I knew I should have just got my moldings and xrays from my ortho cuz it still didnt arrive when my damn ortho sent it over a week ago.
Lets see... He said he'll most likey shave my anterior nasal spine a little and he does a v-y suture and the alar-cinch. So im glad he mentioned most of those before I even asked if he does them. So my next ortho appointment isnt untill the 17th, so Ill post something new then.
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So I talked to my surgeon about my impaction and this is what he told me "....if we're justimpactio doing an impaction, then I may have to impact less than if we were doing both an impaction and an advancement. With an advancement, the maxilla tends to move forward and downward so more impaction is necessary. I'd say at least a minimum of 4 to 5 mm, but probably more depending on how much forward movement we plan on doing "
Why does maxilla move a little down from advancement? Is it just from the way it is cut?
Damn, I messed up on bolding the words lol. I also forgot to mention my options. Maxillary impaction/ +/-mandible advancement or bimax with the impaction. I think at this point im just going with the bimax. I mean if hes already advancing the mandible, mise advance my upper since its recessed.
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Damn, so I called to schedule a date in July and theyre booked :/ Well they have an opening on the 28th, but thats if a patient doesnt want to schedule in july. This blows, I had everything scheduled around having surgery in July since I have school in August and I cancelled going to summer school because my surgeon said id be able to book in July. The wait is so frustrating. I just want to get this over with. I know people have had to wait a lot longer, but its annoyonh when you think youll have surgery a certian time, get all excited, but find out its not happening
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Got my hooks on:) Just waiting to figure out a date. See if they can fit me in sometime at the end of July.
Update: I got a date, July 28th. The scheduler has to double check with the main schedule person, but im hoping that will be the date because I start school the 18th of August. Ug, Im nervous now that I know when its actually happening. knowing how fast these months in braces have gone makes me know that this month wait is going to go by quick.
Yea so my surgery is for surely on July 28th. Got my pre op appointment on the 15th ajd just need to go back to my ortho to get a new set of molds to bring with me. Im starting to get a little more confident in myself and try not to worry so much, but I know when it gets closer and closer, im going to get nervous. Im just trying to stay as positive as possible. I want to be like those girls on youtube who go into surgery looking all excited. If they can do it, so can I!
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Had my pre op appointment today. So I am not going to be wired shut and actually just going to be lightly banded. My bite is actually class 1 which I didnt know. I mean I figured my bite couldnt be that bad since I already had braces before.
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What country you live in, Nrelax?
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What country you live in, Nrelax?
In the United States, California
So he also gave me an estimate on my movements, but still needs to do the practice surgery/look at my scans an all and he'll let me know the exact measurments. So my upper jaw will be advanced anywhere from 5-7 mm, impacted 5-6 mm and my mandible will be advanced around 7 mm.
And again, the reason im having so much impaction is because of the maxillary advancement.
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I don't have anything to offer, but good luck with your surgery, and thanks for your honesty with posting pictures and everything!
I hope the next several weeks go by super quick for you! Good luck, and happy healing! (I hope your girlfriend/ex-girlfriend/on a break girlfriend is doing better, too.)
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Thanks LoveofScotch :D we're both doing good and I feel a lot more prepared for surgery. Especially knowing that I'll only be lightly banded. Not being able to breath well was my first fear, so its nice to know that I'll have a little movement in my mouth.
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One immediate positive is my tongue space. Feels really good having a lot more room :)
I had posted on another thread saying my chin and bottom lip were completely numb, but this morning I for surely have some feeling in those areas. f**k yess!! Weird s**t here, but let me tell you a little story. I had a cousin who killed himself in 2004(strung out on meth). So a week ago, I randomly had a dream about him and havent thought about him in years and then the night before my surgery my mom did too. My parents told me that right when they saw me, I looked like my cousin Brian. Thought that was kind of freaky.
Oh and so my my maxilla was impacted 5mm and advanced 7mm and mandible was also advancement 7mm.
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Last update for a little bit. Tonight was pretty s**tty. Um had a couple panic attacks and almost threw up from stupid liquid pain meds lol. Im not horribly swollen, but its very tight around my face and uncomfortable. Kind of sucks that I'm not numb because its a little more painful.
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Aww, you look adorable! The swelling in probably going to get a little worse though before it gets better but you're doing great.
Hang in there ;)
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That's a pretty big maxillary advancement.
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Aww, you look adorable! The swelling in probably going to get a little worse though before it gets better but you're doing great.
Hang in there ;)
Thank you :) yea im pretty swollen today, but its not huuge like ive seen on people. I need to try and get more nutrients today but its been hard. That's a pretty big maxillary advancement.
I know im swollen still but I like my side profile so far and it doesnt seem too big on my face. After one week I'll take a side profile shot.
For those who had surgery, did you get enough nutrition your first few days? Yesterday I had broth like twice, and two ensure and a ton of water. Im going to start having two ensure at a time and use some of the soup recipes from here.
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You look really good! Hang in there, and I hope you're doing as well as possible!
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Aww, you look adorable!
Agreed, want to give you a cup of soup!
Well done on getting through, now brace yourself for more swelling. Don't freak out about the numbness because it happens when you swell...it will mostly be gone in 2 weeks
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Agreed, want to give you a cup of soup!
Well done on getting through, now brace yourself for more swelling. Don't freak out about the numbness because it happens when you swell...it will mostly be gone in 2 weeks
Im actually not too numb at all even with the swelling. The only area that is somewhat numb is my chin. Like my surgeon said, its good and bad. Good because I know I have feeling, but bad because I feel pain, which Is one of my only complaints right now besides the uncomfortable feeling of swelling lol. I'll post some side profiles actually in a little bit so you guys can see the swelling and a little idea of my advancements.
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Todays day 4. Swelling seems same as yesterday.
Woke up feeling kind of weird and out of it and ended up throwing up. Not a fun experience at all, since at first it was jus dry heaves. Luckily my mom was there to calm me down because it felt like that was the end for me and i was gonna choke to death lol.
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Your result looks really good already. You're going to look amazing when the rest of the swelling goes down. Do you feel a lot of pressure when you rest your head?
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Your result looks really good already. You're going to look amazing when the rest of the swelling goes down. Do you feel a lot of pressure when you rest your head?
Thanks Gregor Samsa :) Yea theres some pressure. I had some chronic neck pain before the surgery, so that hurts a little too. I guess it just feels like overall facial tightness from the swelling. One thing that is bothering me is the mucous in the back of my throat from my nasal passage. I want to clear it, but then I feel like im going to choke when I do.
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Oh, sorry you puked. Was it as painful as it sounds?
Hope you're feeling a little better tonight.
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Oh, sorry you puked. Was it as painful as it sounds?
Hope you're feeling a little better tonight.
It wasn't really painful, just scary. Gave me a little panic attack, which arent fun :/ but I made it lol.
I was doing a lot better after that was all over. Im hoping my swelling starts going down a little tomorrow because the pressure feeling in the cheeks is getting annoying. Its a pretty tough recovery id say, but all I can say is go in positive and just take it a day at a time. I think my mind has been through a lot in the past, so I was able to handle it a little better than I thought I would.
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Grr, I keep throwing up in the monring :/ I actually use to get nauseous in the morning even before surgery and i dont lnow why. Could be from having an empty stomach. Now everytime I feel a little sick in the morning I get a little panicky because I dont want to throw up and then I end up doing so.
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Hmmm, morning sickness...not pregnant are you? :P
Reckon your swelling will have peaked by now, so hopefully/fingers crossed/touch wood you should start to feel a bit more comfortable as the pressure lessens.
Are you managing to eat and drink enough?
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Hmmm, morning sickness...not pregnant are you? :P
Reckon your swelling will have peaked by now, so hopefully/fingers crossed/touch wood you should start to feel a bit more comfortable as the pressure lessens.
Are you managing to eat and drink enough?
Oh no! I hope I'm not pregnant! xD
Yea the swelling went down a smidge, but more so on the left though. I dont know why, but he only banded my right side and that side hurts more.
Ive been getting a lot of fluids, but I really should eat more because I know I could. I jus found out my mom has been really under feeding me. I mean it takes almost 5 full of the big syringes to drink a full cup of milk and ahe only been giving me 2. Ive lost 5 lbs which I dont care really, but im going to start eating a lot more. Im down to 150, but I I went into surgery at like 157, so I lost a little over 5 lbs. God, I use to weigh 175lbs at the beginning of this year. Itll be easy to maintain my weight right now and then start gaining it back after my appointment on tuesday when I get my band loosened.
He might actually take them off though. My condyle of my mandible seems to be popped out a tiny, tiny bit more on my right side and when I lightly feel it, I can feel it pulsating, but I guess its not as bad today. Is there a reason why its popped out more on that side? It could have been like that before and im just noticing it now. I can feel it pulsating on both sides, its just more prominent on the right. And that's the side that im banded on.
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Never mind, I have bands on both sides, its just that they are further back on the left side and I couldn't see them untill now.
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If you're waking up nauseous, are you taking any meds at night right before going to bed on an empty stomach?
Hope you're doing alright.
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No, I think its just from being hungry in the morning and waking up with some anxiety. I have a whole back story about why I get nauseous in the morning sometimes, but im not going there. Ive been waking up at 4am every night, so maybe I should have an ensure then so I have something in my stomach. Ill see how I am tomorrow morning, and thanks for the suggestions :) Everything is getting better since my swelling is going down. Getting all bruised now too lol.
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I take it you're restricted to liquids at the moment?
You'll feel a lot more human when you can start eating solids. Mashed up eggs and mayo, avocado and cream cheese, banana and custard are a nice bland gently way to start.
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I take it you're restricted to liquids at the moment?
You'll feel a lot more human when you can start eating solids. Mashed up eggs and mayo, avocado and cream cheese, banana and custard are a nice bland gently way to start.
Yea I think just till tuesday and then I can have all those soft foods :) I know, im already seeing food commercials and salivating at the sight of food :p---
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I ate nothing but mashed up eggs for a week after my surgery. Never again! ;D
I actually gained weight when I came home because it was Christmas so there was a lot of roasted duck that I blended with gravy and ate together with mashed potatoes.
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I ate nothing but mashed up eggs for a week after my surgery. Never again! ;D
I actually gained weight when I came home because it was Christmas so there was a lot of roasted duck that I blended with gravy and ate together with mashed potatoes.
Yea I need to start blending food together next week or puree some food. Its just tedious eating with the syringe. Takes a long ass time. Lucky you gained weight tho!! I have trouble gaining weight if im not weight lifting
My swelling is definitely uneven now :/ I think its because my right side is the side that was always tense and clenched up. My muscles were bigger on that side. Well hopefully now my mouth will be more comfortable and the other side will even out over time once I can start chewing regularly
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Its just tedious eating with the syringe. Takes a long ass time.
Eating soft food is also going to take a long time in the beginning. My eggs would get cold long before I had even finished half the portion. I recommend making soups and just blending everything. I would make broccoli soup and add some minced meat while it was cooking and then just blend everything.
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It's great, really professional looking - that's why I wasn't sure if it was actually yours or just one you followed.
Not to be viewed when hungry though! :P
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I would like to see some more paleo inspire recipies if you feel like doing that. Get good at making simple and delicious paleo recipies and you're bound to attract more followers. Do you post on Instagram?
I definitely agree! I try and eat paleo as much as possible, so id for surely follow :) You have really good recipes as Is though.
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The UK has only just caught onto pulled pork, can't believe we've been deprived of this delicious delicacy for all these years! If it's cut up enough it should be easy enough to eat, well, swallow down anyway.
I'm not a massive fish lover but I found that an easyish enough way to get extra protein in me post op, helped that I couldn't really smell it or taste it properly, lol.
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Just caught on to pulled pork!! Poor people lol. If you eat bread, pulled pork sandwiches are really good too:)
Next week I'll try a bunch of new things out. My grandparents are coming over, so maybe my grandma can do her thing and make me some yummy food hahah.
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Oh, maybe an entire jaw surgery cookbook? Actually, scratch that, you two should do an entire jaw surgery book! Anywhere from recipes that are particle-free, to recipes that can be eaten through a syringe, to dishes that are dairy free (apparently dairy gives everyone pimples now), a section of soft foods that still have substance (pulled pork dishes!), etc.
Another part of the book could be discussing all things surgery: how to work with an orthodontist, treatment plans, surgical movements, black triangles, counterclockwise rotation, joint stuff, etc.
I suppose the market for a book like this would be pretty small, but we would all buy it! Even better if you could actually sell it at the surgeons office!
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nrelax11,
I hope you're feeling OK tonight, and hopefully the early mornings start getting better!
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Oh, maybe an entire jaw surgery cookbook? Actually, scratch that, you two should do an entire jaw surgery book! Anywhere from recipes that are particle-free, to recipes that can be eaten through a syringe, to dishes that are dairy free (apparently dairy gives everyone pimples now), a section of soft foods that still have substance (pulled pork dishes!), etc.
Another part of the book could be discussing all things surgery: how to work with an orthodontist, treatment plans, surgical movements, black triangles, counterclockwise rotation, joint stuff, etc.
I suppose the market for a book like this would be pretty small, but we would all buy it! Even better if you could actually sell it at the surgeons office!
Thats a good idea LoveofScotch :) You wont believe how many people I've found out who have had jaw surgery or had the option too. I guess because I never even really knew about jaw surgery before.
Also ive been doing a lot better. Didnt throw up this morning and my day was pretty good. My swelling is starting to go down and I cant wait for my first post op appointment Tuesday. I still cant believe I finally had the surgery. I wanted it so bad and its finally over with :D
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Still feeling OK with less morning puking? Hope so!
I hope your first post-op appt. goes well tomorrow!
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Yea no more puking in the morning and hanging in there. I stopped taking pain meds, but my face is so achy all the time. Its not anything I cant handle though. Im getting use to having my tongue on the roof of my mouth now becausewith my lip incompetence before, my tongue kind of just hung there. So I need to get used to all that.
Thanks LoveofScotch :)
Still feeling OK with less morning puking? Hope so!
I hope your first post-op appt. goes well tomorrow!
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Ask at your appointment if it's ok to use heat pads on the face. I found moist heat really, really soothing at the achy stage - the little malleable bags of wheat that you warm in the microwave are very handy.
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Did you get a genio? or did you only have bi-max?
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Ask at your appointment if it's ok to use heat pads on the face. I found moist heat really, really soothing at the achy stage - the little malleable bags of wheat that you warm in the microwave are very handy.
I started using heat on day 4 I think. I dont know how to make moist heat last long because a damp hot cloth feels really good but gets cold really easily.
@pekay No genio, just a bimax. Im pretty sure I got my chin from having a herbts appliance when I was younger because in all my other pics I had a really flat chin and then after the herbts it was stronger.
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Had my first post op appointment today and he said everything looks amazing and is really impressed :D He said my teeth were as clean as someone like 4 weeks post op :) I made sure to keep them as clean as possible. I got two light bands put on to wear 24/7 which is better than the tight ones. God, it was sooo weird taking the bands off. My jaw jusy sprung open lol. I had a piece of tomato from my soup yesterday stuck on my back molar bracket xD So yea, everything has been going a lot better than expected and it definitely was not as bad as I thought it would be. Even though I felt a lot of pain, I made it through the first week and anyone else having this done soon can do it do :) I know JennyC is having her surgery next, so, you can do it!
I went to school today and geez, as I was leaving this dude was starring at me like I was a monster lol. Ive never seen that look before. I didnt know if he wanted to murder me or was just disgusted :D oh well
Just kind of wanted to get this off my chest, but I hate the uneven swelling, ug. My left side is healing nicely while my right side is really lagging. I dont know how it's going to look once all the swelling is gone since my right side was always meatier
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Hi nrelax11,
How are you feeling? Are things still going OK, other than the uneven swelling? Is your right joint a little better?
Hope you're doing well!
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Hi nrelax11,
How are you feeling? Are things still going OK, other than the uneven swelling? Is your right joint a little better?
Hope you're doing well!
Yea my joint has been feeling a lot better. I think some of the pain is from tight muscle along my skull and temple area and my neck on the right side. The pain usually only occurs now when I take my bands off to brush my teeth. I can open my mouth a little over one fingers width and while trying to brush the bottom side of my molars, i get some pain . Besides that things are going well :) started gaining weight back and attempting to be in public more, but I still feel a little anxious in front of others because im defiantly still swollen in areas. I am only about 2 weeks out, so its expected to be swollen still. Got a longs ways to go. Its very frustrating and like others say, waiting to see the final results is a slow loooong process. I definitely don't regret the surgery so far :)
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You mentioned both of your jaws were advanced 7 mm. That sounds huge! Because you didn't look recessed at all preop, just the gummy smile.
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nrelax11,
How's everything going? Still holding up alright?
I hope you're doing OK, and that time is passing as quickly as possible!
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You mentioned both of your jawadvancementanced 7 mm. That sounds huge! Because you didn't look recessed at all preop, just the gummy smile.
Its sounds bigger than it looks I guess. I had talked to a couple surgeons and they said I could use some advancement. I do kind of wonder what I'd look like if I had just got the impaction and a smaller lower advancement. Ohhh wellll.
And im doing ok LoveofScotch. My mom kind of regrets me having surgery because Ive had chronic hip pain for the past 4 years and neck for a year now (posture related) and it was getting much better through corrective exercises. Now after my surgery I couldnt exercise for a while and things got worse, so I just havent been that happy lately. Its tough trying to recover and deal with that too. Ive also been dealing with some other personal issues too now, so I dont know if maybe I should have waited to have the surgery :/ I hope things get better in the future. Jus been extremely depressed lately
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Oh, I'm sorry you're having a challenging time, nrelax11.
On the upside, if both your hip and neck pain improved with corrective exercises before, they will improve again! Also, I know there are obviously better times than others, but is there really ever a great time for major surgery? The fact that you're hopefully over the worst, and slowly healing and returning to your prior normal is great!
I'm so sorry this is all s**t right now. Hopefully, the Holidays will be here before we know it, and you'll be well on your way to feeling better.
Hang in there :)
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Thanks LoveofScotch :) I know things will get better in the future.
Does anyone know when I can floss again? I need to email my surgeon.
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Do your guys lips touch when you bite? Like if you relax your lips and bite, do your lips meet or is there tooth show. Before surgery I exess incisor show and when I would bite down you could see a lot of my teeth. Now post op, when I bite down, instead of exess upper teeth showing, now my botton teeth show. I dont know if this is all mental and im just overly conscious of my lip position at rest because im not use to having it shut. I feel like my lower lip still kind of hangs a little and if it was in more my lip posture would be better. Should I see someone about oral posture? Its like I dont know where to have my tongue because before it kind of hung there in my mouth and put strain on my jaw muscles. I'll discuss this with my surgeon and see what he thinks. I guess I wish my lip sat more flat like it did when I was younger. I wish I never got braces or the herbts device when I was younger because id like to have know how my face would have grown naturally. Oh welll
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I haven't had surgery yet, so I'm not sure if this will be helpful or not...
My lips come together naturally when I bite. I tried to randomly glance in the mirror today, and I really didn't see any teeth. A few times, I could maybe see just a small amount of the lower parts of my upper teeth (in the front). My tongue hangs out where it should except some of the time when I sleep. That's a new thing for me; I had always slept with my mouth closed and my tongue in the correct position until a few years ago. A cat walked in my back door, he never left, he sleeps by my pillow...I'm a little allergic to cats.
Are you doing OK?
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Thanks for answering:)
Im doing a lot better, because my pain issues are finally getting better after being able to exercise again:)
Regarding my mouth, I dont think my surgeon could have imapcted anymore because then I wouldnt have any teeth showing at rest and right now I have the perfect amount of tooth show. I just dont like how much bottom teeth show now, and how my lower lip still hangs out a little, but I dont know if anything can be done about that. I also have a lot of allergies so its hard for me to breath through my nose.
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I'm really glad you're able to exercise again, and that it's helping you! Chronic pain stuff is brutal :(
I hope as things continue to settle they get progressively better, too :)
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So I might be getting my braces off in a couple weeks if the remainder of my bite closes on my left side. My right side is all closed up but the left is being a little stubborn. Although usually when I wake up in the morning, its closed, but opens up a little throughout the day. I also wonder if my surgeon had known that my two from teeth were shaved down a mm, that he might have impacted my upper jaw a little more. I feel like a mm more would have been a little better. I mean my lip incompetence is pretty much fixed, but it doesnt feel completely natural keeping my mouth shut sometimes. I dont know, maybe its my muscles or in my head. I just know that when I bite down, which is an extra mm, my lips feel naturally sealed. And I cant walk around clenching all the time lol
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Good to hear. How do you feel about your maxillary advancement? How much was it, BTW? (Because your upper jaw didn't look recessed to me pre-op). Has the shape/length of your upper lip changed?
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My maxilla was advanced 7 mm. At first I didnt like it, but as the swelling went down im liking it a lot more. It just makes my cheek bones look a lot better and made my face look less flat. My lip length didnt change too much, but the slight upturning of my nose does make it appear a little bit longer, but then again, sometimes my nose goes down by the end of the day and it doesnt look bad. My philtrum was straight before surgery and still is so after, so thats good. At first it stuck out, but that was just swelling.
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Ill post some frontal ones soon, but yea, only thing that I dont like is the nose upturn. Now that just looked back at my before because, I really hope it goes down a little in the next few months. Im sure it will, but I wouldnt totally hate it if it didnt and its a pretty easy fix through nose surgery. Just soft tissue.
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I haven't seen any frontal pictures but you look really good from the side at least. I don't see anything wrong with the nose even after you've pointed out the issues you're having with it.
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Ill post some frontal ones soon. I was going to wait till 6 months, but I can post some ones earlier.
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could you tell us how you're doing in terms of eating etc..
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I was afraid you'd look chimpy after such a large advancement of your upper jaw, but you've turned out great. Your profile looks "deep" and strong. Congrats! My ortho told me that he's seen difference in 12 and 24 months photos post-op - upper lip swelling can be really persistent in some cases. Getting the braces off will probably make the lip come down a bit more as well. BTW, your nose looks good (at least from the side).
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could you tell us how you're doing in terms of eating etc..
I actually just had my first steak a couple days ago, although it was really tender, but it still felt like an accomplishment lol. Im pretty much back to eating normal, and the chewing really helps with my range of motion and overall better feeling in my jaw. I hope I can get back to my full range of motion of 4 fingers, because im at 3 right now, but I wouldnt care that much.
I was afraid you'd look chimpy after such a large advancement of your upper jaw, but you've turned out great. Your profile looks "deep" and strong. Congrats! My ortho told me that he's seen difference in 12 and 24 months photos post-op - upper lip swelling can be really persistent in some cases. Getting the braces off will probably make the lip come down a bit more as well. BTW, your nose looks good (at least from the side).
Thanks:) Yea at first I thought I was going to look chimp like because of my upper lip being swollen, but now that its down a lot, im very pleased. Im really hoping that the braces coming off will actually bring my lips a tiny bit closer, because that will help a lot.
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Holy s**t you look like a completely different guy, great results you definetly went up like two points man good for you
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Holy s**t you look like a completely different guy, great results you definetly went up like two points man good for you
Thanks :)
I have one problems guys, and its bothering me. When I feel my jawline and feel where the cuts were made, its almost like that area sticks out more than the rest of my jawline. Or like right before you start getting closer to my chine on my jawline, its too wide. Could that just be the bone healing? Its really making my face look narrower than it is. When I pull the skin back there, my jaw looks a lot more defined and my face looks wider. Ug, will this heal or will I have to do something about it? I dont like it at all :/
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I think your results look good thus far buddy, congrats!
Do you mind posting a picture so I can better see whats bothering you? Im trying to visualize what you are saying but struggling !
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I think your results look good thus far buddy, congrats!
Do you mind posting a picture so I can better see whats bothering you? Im trying to visualize what you are saying but struggling !
Ill post some tomorrow. Its just that when I like pull the skin around my chin down and kinda tighten that area up, I really like the look of my face. I dont know if that area is still swollen. Im three months post op, so I dont know how long the jaw line area stays swollen. It just makes my face look more narrow. Ive also lost 30 lbs this year and am hella skinny right now, so that also be contributing to me looking so thin. Now im wondering if I should have evn had the upper jaw advancement. I mean I love my side profile, but I my face looks narrower to me, but again, ive lost so much weight. Im actually under weight. I need to give it three more months and then hopefully get my weight back up and see how things are then. God, its like some days I feel good about my surgery and then others days I regret it. Such a f**kin roller coaster lol.
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Phew, that was close. For a moment I thought you were perfectly happy and I was contemplating of reporting you to GJ, so that he would ban you and redirect you to the jawsurgergyblog forum where all the happy campers reside (I bet most there don't even know the first thing about gonial angles, or what a philtrum is).
I kid.
I haven't even seen your frontal post-op pic yet, but if you got rid of that god-awful super-gummy smile, you're well well ahead. They may look OK on women, but not men.
But yeah, I get you about the face looking narrower. I think I have the same effect happening. My theory is that when the face is flatter, it looks wider than it is. Perspective matters just as much as actual dimensions. Another example... my upper lip looks longer that it was pre-op, but it's exactly the same length as pre-op, it's just closer to the observer now after advancement. Close objects appear bigger, and can make the background object looks smaller. So an advanced upper jaw may make the upper mid face look narrower. It's all a compromise.
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Hahah, that site sucks, noe one responds lol.
Exactly PloskoPlus!!! I look at pics of me before surgery, and my flat face appered a lot wider. I mean some days I like the upper jaw advanced because it gives more definition to me, but then again, I liked the wider appearance before. And the lip is the same as yours too. My co worker who hadnt seen my new face yet told me that my upper lip looks thinner but it looks the same to me, its just that it doesnt curve upward as much and appears a little flatter. I need to give everything some more time and for surely put some weight on. The upper jaw advancement was all up to me, butmy surgeon and ortho thought it would be a good iidea, im wondering if just a smaller lower advancement and the impaction would have looked better, but then again, I like my side profile though. I like the front better than the side lol.
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This is not my photo to show you about my chin because mirror shots dont count lol..but I asked my mom, worst person to ask, if this is somewhat what I look to her and then took another photo with the picture taken from chest height and asked which one looks more how you see me. One face i look wider and the other narrow. She said I look like rhe picture where my face is wider. The lighting in that pic is amazing and makes me look better than I think I do, but maybe I just have image issues lol. Im trying to find my actual camera to take a picture for my chin area to show you what im talking about because the camera on my phone makes everything so narrow looking lol. And again this picture is not really a after photo, its just showing how I want to look and hopefully what I somewhat look like. I need to show my co-worker the photo because she'll give me an unbiased answer lol. Because according to her I look really skinny now, but yes, I am really skinny right now :p
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Don't forget the more forward slightly wider nose probably has that narrowing effect on the rest of the face as well.
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Yea I took that in account and I hope in a few months or by one year itll have gone down a little. If not, thats one thing I might have fixed
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dude you definitely look alot older(in a good way) and if anything your nose seems less upturned. You look better than before you shouldnt sweat it anymore man.
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dude you definitely look alot older(in a good way) and if anything your nose seems less upturned. You look better than before you shouldnt sweat it anymore man.
Thanks, I was actually hoping to age a little from the surgery because im 25 and always looked really young. Still dont think I look my age though lol. And your right, im being to hard on myself and I think everything went well with the surgery. It was smooth sailing luckily.
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you look friggin great. do you have all the sensation and feeling everywhere, lower lip etc.?
do you feel like you have more tongue space post-op? I feel my arches are too narrow and wondering if advancement alone will solve that....
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You look bloody brilliant!
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You look good and were always gonna look better post-surgery as long as you got rid of your gummy smile. Undergoing surgery was a very good decision for your case.
I see what you are saying with the upturning of the nose and this is something that worries me too. I'm not sure they should have touched your lower jaw, meaning the upper jaw advancement would have been less and possibly less flaring, but there was always gonna be some degree of flaring due to the fact that upper jaw surgery was desirable and unavoidable. So the degree of difference is negligible and not something you should lose sleep over. You'll have even more support for your soft-tissue given the degree of advancement and I imagine your breathing is so much better and you'll age well and have great features so I think you should be happy with where you are now and try and move on with your life.
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you look friggin great. do you have all the sensation and feeling everywhere, lower lip etc.?
do you feel like you have more tongue space? I feel my arches are too narrow and wondering if advancement alone will solve that....
My right side of my chin and bottom lip are still a little tingly to touch and The very far side of my bottom lip doesnt have a lot of feeling but im sure itll come back. If it doesnt it doesnt bother me. And defiantly, right after surgery it felt like there was a ton of space for my tongue. It was really strange feeling lol.
You look good and were always gonna look better post-surgery as long as you got rid of your gummy smile. Undergoing surgery was a very good decision for your case.
I see what you are saying with the upturning of the nose and this is something that worries me too. I'm not sure they should have touched your lower jaw, meaning the upper jaw advancement would have been less and possibly less flaring, but there was always gonna be some degree of flaring due to the fact that upper jaw surgery was desirable and unavoidable. So the degree of difference is negligible and not something you should lose sleep over. You'll have even more support for your soft-tissue given the degree of advancement and I imagine your breathing is so much better and you'll age well and have great features so I think you should be happy with where you are now and try and move on with your life.
Thanks :)
My surgeon said no matter what, he had to do the lower jaw, even if I just had an impaction done. It just would have been less of an advancement. Your totally right though, I just need to move on and get back on with life.
You look bloody brilliant!
Thank you! :)
I want to wait till the 6 month mark to post some good before and afters. Hopefully then I'll have put some weight on and maybe most of the swelling will be gone. I actually dont know which areas are still swollen besides my nose. I think maybe just my chin area and around my jawline
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You look great!
Can I ask if you're having any joint pain and/or clicking that you didn't have prior to surgery? Any new problems with anything else, so far?
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You look great!
Can I ask if you're having any joint pain and/or clicking that you didn't have prior to surgery? Any new problems with anything else, so far?
Thanks LoveofScotch :) I'll sometimes get some cracking on my right side if im eating with my rubber bands in, but besides that no pains or anytthing. The cracking doesnt happen all that often either. Maybe like once a week.
I still dont know if my chin is swollen. I know the advancement moved soft tissue there, so it definitely feels more meaty. Im hoping that area will go down because its the one spot that kind of takes away the definition of my jaw
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Did you lose 30 pounds from braces and jaw surgery, or was it from some other stuff?
Thanks for your posts, nrelax11 :)
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Oh no, I lost most of the weight from having to stop weightlifting in thr beginning of this year. When I dont workout I kind of stop eating a lot
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Hahah, that site sucks, noe one responds lol.
Exactly PloskoPlus!!! I look at pics of me before surgery, and my flat face appered a lot wider. I mean some days I like the upper jaw advanced because it gives more definition to me, but then again, I liked the wider appearance before. And the lip is the same as yours too. My co worker who hadnt seen my new face yet told me that my upper lip looks thinner but it looks the same to me, its just that it doesnt curve upward as much and appears a little flatter. I need to give everything some more time and for surely put some weight on. The upper jaw advancement was all up to me, butmy surgeon and ortho thought it would be a good iidea, im wondering if just a smaller lower advancement and the impaction would have looked better, but then again, I like my side profile though. I like the front better than the side lol.
IMO Le Fort I advancement is usually a compromise. Recession of the maxilla is usually accompanied with some kind of infraorbital and zygomatic deficiency. Well at least that's the case with me. But we can't all be getting Le Fort IIIs.
IMO, you're fixating on just on one perspective of your face, whereas people see you in motion from all sort of angle. The extra depth of your face is an overall win. Maybe a 45 degree (semi-profile) view is a better angle to judge from. Anyway, in a couple of months your self-perception filters will have adjusted and you will think that everything is fine.
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IMO Le Fort I advancement is usually a compromise. Recession of the maxilla is usually accompanied with some kind of infraorbital and zygomatic deficiency. Well at least that's the case with me. But we can't all be getting Le Fort IIIs.
IMO, you're fixating on just on one perspective of your face, whereas people see you in motion from all sort of angle. The extra depth of your face is an overall win. Maybe a 45 degree (semi-profile) view is a better angle to judge from. Anyway, in a couple of months your self-perception filters will have adjusted and you will think that everything is fine.
I have some hallows under my eyes but I got filler injections. Actully going to be doing that again in about a month, didnt like the last injector.
Your right about the being in motion. Thats why I hate photos, im not very photogenic. Im sure in a few months I'll have moved on, and not thinking about any of this. Ive read about a lot of people not liking themselves at like 4 months, but by one year, theyre totally happy. So that makes me feel a lot better.
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Does anyone know roughly how much the lips moves once your braces are off. Does the top lip drop like a mm? I mean since braces stick our around that much, maybe a smidge more.
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Does anyone know roughly how much the lips moves once your braces are off. Does the top lip drop like a mm? I mean since braces stick our around that much, maybe a smidge more.
It depends... if your upper incisors have been brought forward enough to touch your upper lip... then yeah once your braces are off then you should see some more coverage of your teeth so you'll show less upper incisor display at rest. Could be up to a millimeter but I can't imagine it being more than that. I think mine covered maybe half of millimeter more after braces came off but it's hard to tell. Are you concerned about your inter-labial gap or...?
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I just didnt want to lose all my tooth show at rest, but im pretty sure im going to get my two front teeth lengthened because I had them shaved down a little a couple years ago. I mean when I smile, my upper lip always gets stuck on my braces when my lip is coming back down, so I imagine getting them removed will bring my lip down a little. Just three more months :) Im more excited to get them off than when I was getting them off in high school.
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I think you look fantastic in the photos!! Braces off will be a big day, bet your hanging!
Great to see the pics.
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I think you look fantastic in the photos!! Braces off will be a big day, bet your hanging!
Great to see the pics.
Thanks! Yea should be getting the braces off in April
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Thanks! Yea should be getting the braces off in April
That's a hell of a long time in braces post-op. I was told I won't need the usual post-op 6 months immediately post-op, but now it looks like it'll be around that at least.
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That's a hell of a long time in braces post-op. I was told I won't need the usual post-op 6 months immediately post-op, but now it looks like it'll be around that at least.
I have to have my posteriot open bite on my left side closed, so theyre on longer than usual. Its pretty much almost closed now, but need to keep it closed. I did a poor job wearing my bands at first :/ Im just saying this is a lot shorter time with braces compared to to the 2 1/2 years I had in high school. If i didnt have the open bite theyd be off by now. Oh wellm
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just read through this whole thread and I had to say that you results are amazing!!!
Hope mine will be good aswell.
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Thanks terry947!! Yea I'm really happy with my results and cant wait for the dang braces to come off. My next appointment I'll be getting my molds for my retainer, so hopefully by the beginning of April I'll have them off. We're just finishing off closing the little open bite I have and he says if I tiny bit wont close, we will just use the retainer to dothe rest. Not looking fforward to wearing a retainer all the time, bit beats braces. I just sucked at wearing it last time I had braces
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I wonder if anyone can help me out here. So when I smile, my chin looks crooked. Like one sides tissue is different. I seriously cant feel or see any asymmetry with bone. My nerves arent completely back one side of my chin, so I wonder if that can be doing it, or if its a soft tissue thing. Its very annoying since I didnt have any asymmetries going into surgery
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It could be a scar tissue issue. Try doing lots of stretching exercises, see if that helps.
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It could be a scar tissue issue. Try doing lots of stretching exercises, see if that helps.
I'll give it a shot, thanks Modigliani
Oh, and I got my braces off like two weeks ago finally. Didnt fully close my bite on the left side, but he said my retainer will do the rest of it. I mean when I wore my bands a lot the gap would close fully, its just at the end I was kind of crappy at wearing my bands. I should post a pic soon. Teeth look a lot whiter without the braces on
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Ya nice man. Finally done. Congrats.
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Mine are of next week. Bite is super solid, but the black triangles...
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Hey nrelax11,
Do you think it could be muscular? When you smile do you think you're pulling harder with one cheek, or favoring one side of your face in general? I don't know if that makes any sense, it's just a thought.
Glad the braces are gone!
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Congrats!! I bet it was awesome to get them off!! How long is the 'norm' post op??
@plosko, what black triangles? Can they be fixed?
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It could be a scar tissue issue. Try doing lots of stretching exercises, see if that helps.
Also try massaging and pinching the tissue to break it down, I found that really helped to loosen and soften, assuming it is scarring of course.
Congrats on being brace free, I'm very very jealous!
Look forward to seeing your final pics :)
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It looks like you haven't been active for a couple of months so I assume all is going well!
I feel the pain you went through given your previous orthodontics and herbst appliance. My situation is similar except I had cervical headgear. But it works by retracting the maxilla so the maxilla will fit the mandible just like the herbst appliance does (except the herbst supposedly simultaneously brings the mandible forward, but idk... either way, any retraction will come with undesirable effects).
Anyway, if you see this, I want to know how long you wore braces this second time around, specifically the time period prior to surgery. I.e. how long did it take to decompensate and get your bite to an ideal pre-surgical position?