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General Category => Aesthetics => Topic started by: A-V-P on January 16, 2017, 03:43:31 AM
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I did not want or need any jaw surgery, but little other help.
When I woke up from anestesia this man had done somethings extra. He does not let me know, but assumingly altered somehow my jaw, forehead, nose bones etc tissues.
Now I have flat face and my feminine features are worse.
Terrible. This man was supposed to be one of the best plastic surgeons in USA.
My experience is that, he is not. What he did is illegal because there was no consent for these extras.
These are my experiences and many have fortunately other type of experience if what they say is true.
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What do you mean he stole your jaw?
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this is a troll
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This is not a troll at all.
I do not troll.
Martens threads have somehow trolls defend him. That is a way to get these messages erased.
I hope this forum is ethical enough to have my messages on here and rather look for these people who attack a harmed person with these troll accusations.
There is no reason to troll in this sort of matter.
He has harmed me and some others too.
There have been court cases.
To do the things he did against me is illegal. He admitted fat injections without consent.
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What do you mean he stole your jaw?
For me it seems like he took part of my jaw off during surgery. Might be fat elimination too...
I did not ask for it or want it.
But he planned in during my consultation without saying a word about it.
I thought he was just drawing something... now I know.
He drew an hourglass to nose and cut lines to jaw angle on picture.
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He took part of my jaw off during surgery.
I did not ask for it ir eant it.
But he planned in during my consultation without saying a word about it.
I thought he was just drawing something... now I know.
He is very evil and ill due to this fact.
did you go to the court?
holy f**k now i am even scared of getting implants too or fixing my deviated septum. who knows wtf these people are going to do.
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He took part of my jaw off during surgery.
I did not ask for it ir eant it.
But he planned in during my consultation without saying a word about it.
I thought he was just drawing something... now I know.
He is very evil and ill due to this fact.
How did he take part of your jaw off?
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What surgery were you trying to have?
Post a pic if you're not a troll. Before/afters please.
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Imo either post some details or mods pls delete the thread
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Imo either post some details or mods pls delete the thread
This earlier post by the creator of this thread appears to me to be inconsistent with the claims made by the poster, unless the surgery happened since October:
http://jawsurgeryforums.com/index.php?topic=5319.msg49824#msg49824
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this person is full of s**t. i think she's the same poster from MIss J who has had tons of surgery and has some neurotic mental breakdown about the results of her surgery with Marten.
From what I've heard Marten is one of he best and I've seen results, my friend had a facelift with him and his results are great. So I'm pretty skeptical about OP --typical crazy person.
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holy f**k now i am even scared of getting implants too or fixing my deviated septum. who knows wtf these people are going to do.
Don't be afraid. There are plenty of good professionals. This guy just did a huge violation!
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How did he take part of your jaw off?
Made it slim somehow. Looks like one of those asian v-line surgeries or something like that. But who can tell when he does not tell.
Looks disgusting. I used to have a nice elegant jaw.
He had no right to touch any bones or fats etc.
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this person is full of s**t. i think she's the same poster from MIss J who has had tons of surgery and has some neurotic mental breakdown about the results of her surgery with Marten.
From what I've heard Marten is one of he best and I've seen results, my friend had a facelift with him and his results are great. So I'm pretty skeptical about OP --typical crazy person.
Never been on Miss J.
I did not want tons of surgery just a tiny bit for the part that was "broken".
I think a typical crazy person rather starts blaming other people crazy like this...
No intelligent person starts accusing harmed person like this.
And I sure hope I was only crazy peson making these things up.... but no - he really violated me. Anything done without consent is a big violation.
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This earlier post by the creator of this thread appears to me to be inconsistent with the claims made by the poster, unless the surgery happened since October:
http://jawsurgeryforums.com/index.php?topic=5319.msg49824#msg49824
Those are my words that I tried to put here nicely but after the whole disaster has revealed itself I wish to tell the full truth....
That time I did not want to say the truth as clearly as now...
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not my jaw but something from where you may see that I'm not writing bs...
Here is a link where you who are not members can also see changes:
https://imgur.com/a/JdEFR
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not my jaw but something from where you may see that I'm not writing bs...
did you get a nosejob? Your nose looks better in the after.
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did you get a nosejob? Your nose looks better in the after.
Actually my nose looks disgusting on the after one.
He did something to my nose...
My nose was very good before.
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Show them your photos on yelp please so they can see what happened!!!
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Show them your photos on yelp please so they can see what happened!!!
yes :/ Somehow they have deleted many of my pictures from yelp. They took pictures of me while I layed naked on the operating room table. Did you see that picture or they deleted that one too? I could not find it. It very much tells how professionals they are. Minutes before they put me lie on the surgical table with my surgery gown on and a thick blanket on top. Then when the anestesia started affecting they stripped that of and took photos of my face, but I can see my upper body is naked there... how good is that?
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yes :/ Somehow they have deleted many of my pictures from yelp. They took pictures of me while I layed naked on the operating room table. Did you see that picture or they deleted that one too? I could not find it. It very much tells how professionals they are. Minutes before they put me lie on the surgical table with my surgery gown on and a thick blanket on top. Then when the anestesia started affecting they stripped all of that of and took photos... how good is that?
I need to write a blog about this since seems like most of the sites are biased and truth can not be put out there. I had better jaw pictures on the yelp review too but I can not find them anymore....
just put the pics here or the link to the page. jesus do you understand English?
pics or it didn't happen.
plastic surgery is ALWAYS a gamble. Docs don't try to do a bad job but sometimes it just happens.
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Made it slim. Looks as if he did one of those asian v-line surgeries or something like that.
Looks disgusting. I used to have a nice elegant jaw.
He had no right to touch any bones etc.
The pictures you have on Yelp are almost impossible to evaluate due to their extremely poor quality and the camouflage markings.
You claim he did a lot of bone work on your face, right ?
What bones did he cut or alter ?
Jaw bones ?
Eye brows ?
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The pictures you have on Yelp are almost impossible to evaluate due to their extremely poor quality and the camouflage markings.
You claim he did a lot of bone work on your face, right ?
What bones did he cut or alter ?
Jaw bones ?
Eye brows ?
As I said she's a troll. I know a bunch of Marten patients who can't stop raving about him.
He doesn't even do bone contouring and is not a maxillofacial surgeon.
Even that nose comparison is totally masked by the different angles. Show us your before and after face here or in the private forum, or stop hurling around slanderous insults against good doctors.
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This is not a troll at all.
I do not troll.
Dr Marten has trolls defend him. He gets these messages erased that way.
He has done that for several years.
I hope this forum is ethical enough to have my messages on here and rather look for these people who attack a harmed person with these troll accusations.
There is no reason to troll in this sort of matter.
He has harmed me and others too.
There is a case/cases on court against him.
To do the things he did against me would make him in prisoned in my country quite quickly.
In SF the cases take a long time.
I just did an on line search of the San Francisco County Court docket. The last time Dr. Timothy Marten was involved in a lawsuit was 1998, eighteen years ago. That was a dispute over a contract, not a patient.
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I just did an on line search of the San Francisco County Court docket. The last time Dr. Timothy Marten was involved in a lawsuit was 1998, eighteen years ago. That was a dispute over a contract, not a patient.
Well look at the San Francisco Superior Court...
Lazlo seems like a typical troll of the forums...
I don't think anyone who is just a patient of his would have such an enthusiasm to trash someone who has been harmed on purpose by dr Tim Marten md in marten clinic of plastic surgery. Lazlo please leave me alone!
I don't want to continue this topic with you since it is pointless with your kind. Dr Marten of MCPS did harm me too on purpose by doing horrific things that he was not supposed to. Such as fat injections to nose etc. fat elimination... It was not a humane little mistake he did but an organized wrongfull action towards me. I dont need to prove that to ýou two more than I already have. Wish you good luck in life and lets not continue about this with you two anymore.
One more add... system seems like it mostly lacks the information what has happened throughout the years. The laws are bad and lawyers ignore especially medical malpractice cases because they want more money than they are able to get out from them. Effed up system.
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Well look at the San Francisco Superior Court...
Lazlo seems like a typical marten troll he somehow seems to have in some of the forums...
I don't think anyone who is just a patient of his would have such an enthusiasm to trash someone who has been harmed on purpose by dr Tim Marten md in marten clinic of plastic surgery. Lazlo please leave me alone!
I don't want to continue this topic with you since it is pointless with your kind. Dr Marten of MCPS did harm me too on purpose by doing several horrific things that he was not supposed to. It was not a humane little mistake he did but an organized wrongfull action towards me. I dont need to prove that to ýou two more than I already have. Wish you good luck in life and lets not continue about this with you two anymore.
...SF superior ongoing courtcase # CPF-11-51137 ...
So there is a suit pending in San Francisco. The named defendant was the clinic so a search on Dr. Marten came up negative.
The search does indicate it is set for trial this week. If you live in San Francisco, it might be interesting to go watch.
However,
Then there is this:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwjFzI7JjNXRAhVY62MKHRztBqMQFggaMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.steadyhealth.com%2Ftopics%2Ftimothy-j-marten-plastic-surgeon-bad-experience%3Fp%3D1758306&usg=AFQjCNFiDrrlpR4_CABOlpNuqAO8TkZgRA&bvm=bv.144686652,d.cGc
Some of which sounds familiar.
Genital mutilation ? Really ?
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So there is a suit pending in San Francisco. The named defendant was the clinic so a search on Dr. Marten came up negative.
The search does indicate it is set for trial this week. If you live in San Francisco, it might be interesting to go watch.
However,
Then there is this:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwjFzI7JjNXRAhVY62MKHRztBqMQFggaMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.steadyhealth.com%2Ftopics%2Ftimothy-j-marten-plastic-surgeon-bad-experience%3Fp%3D1758306&usg=AFQjCNFiDrrlpR4_CABOlpNuqAO8TkZgRA&bvm=bv.144686652,d.cGc
Some of which sounds familiar.
Genital mutilation ? Really ?
Sure go and see if you live in SF... I hope he gets what he deserves!
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Okay I can't really tell cause the pics aren't the best
but yes it does look like she looks worse after the procedure.
I find it strange that Marten didn't explain the procedures he was going to do to you and
yes it's wrong of him to take out fat in places you didn't ask for it.
You look much older than 40 though, even in your before pics so that's weird where you say
"I'm not even 40". How old are you? Oh well, I feel bad for you , but don't woorry, you can
get fat restoration. I think that's all you need. someone who is good with injecting fat to put some volume back in your face.
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Did you consult with any other surgeons ? About your nose, for instance ?
What bone work did you have done ?
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Okay I can't really tell cause the pics aren't the best
but yes it does look like she looks worse after the procedure.
I find it strange that Marten didn't explain the procedures he was going to do to you and
yes it's wrong of him to take out fat in places you didn't ask for it.
You look much older than 40 though, even in your before pics so that's weird where you say
"I'm not even 40". How old are you? Oh well, I feel bad for you , but don't woorry, you can
get fat restoration. I think that's all you need. someone who is good with injecting fat to put some volume back in your face.
On the morning of the surgery dr Timothy J Marten md showed with his hands what he was going to do to me to confirm what we verbally had agreed, but what he showed was too agressive. He showed it the same way as I showed him during consultation, but more aggressive and a side pull when I showed an uplift. He knew what he was supposed to do.
However what he did was mostly opposite and overly tight. He did a violation against me by taking out my structures.
It would have been an easier job to restore my looks with less work than he did.
But for some reason he had and has this unconditional hate towards me and he did all the violations towards me not to restore my looks but to disrespect what I wanted.
My forehead solely needed for the lax skin to be taken away with the temple lift. And my upper face had to be lifted tiny bit to have the topical lax skin eliminated. He pulled my face partially downwards on sides instead of tiny bit upwards.
Who does that when a patient needs upper face restoration?
I believe he did something similar procedure to me that they do in Korean head shrinkage. I did not have any bones to burr.... My face was very swollen for several weeks and months because of he did something to my structures.
Something on my nose collapsed due to his actions and breathing has gotten worse. etc. etc. etc. many problems. I can not do sports that I love due to my throat that is carved out of structure and is too tight and it chokes me. It also has some parts very loose so he must have taken some important supportive structures out. And sometimes I can hear very strange tone on my voice and feel it when laying down. I also have had strings under my chin that I never had before the surgery...
The situation is very evil.
Almost 5 years I searched for a great professional to help me. Then I found him and hope for my minor problem. But he turned out to be the worst nightmare.
They say Timothy J. Marten is supposed to one of the top plastic surgeons in USA. How is this possible?
In my experience it is not true at all. If Tim Marten is one of the Top surgeons in USA then I don't believe it anymore.
Internet is full of very ethical good plastic surgeons who can deliver good results with a lot cheaper than him and who do not do anything that was not agreed.
I paid awful lot of money to the trips and operation etc. because I believed the reviews etc. were true. I though choosing the "best" would eliminate shady practices. But no. Dr Timothy J Marten md and his unconditional hate towards me made him violate me in a way that he ruined my life.
He has done the violations in a way that some of it is very hard to point out at this point.
Tim marten ended my life that I knew in July 2016. I chose him because I believed all the good reviews about him and the articles I read.
He lies on the operating report by leaving things out and he does not let me speak with the OR staff. That tells pretty much how much he has to hide. Even the nurses were confused after the operation...
Glad he has some happy patients though... Never seen pictures of his real true patients 2 years after the procedure that are not his pictures.
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I believe he did similar procedure to me that they do in Korea. He sliced off my jawbone. Then he burred off my cheekbones and under eyes and eyebrow bone. He also burred my nose and forehead etc. I did not have any bones to burr, but still he found something to burr away. My face was very swollen for several weeks and months because of he violated my bones too.
Have you had an X-ray taken that shows that he removed a portion of your jawbone? Cheekbones ? Eyebrow bone ?
To the extent someone can see the limited "before" pictures, they appear to show an already rather pronounced, pointed chin. That does not look different in the "after" pictures.
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OP if your so grossly botched as you claim to be from this surgery, get medical imaging done and find another doc to agree this was medical malpractice. Then you've got a leg to stand on in court for damages. Or you're not from the states, if I recall from a previous post... just saying anyways.
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just put the pics here or the link to the page. jesus do you understand English?
pics or it didn't happen.
plastic surgery is ALWAYS a gamble. Docs don't try to do a bad job but sometimes it just happens.
I've had the worst, s**ttest results from three of the most 'famous' surgeons out there. Surgery is not a 'gamble' - it is an art and a skill.
Anyway, just checked out the OP's pics on Yelp and can see what she's talking about in relation to her jaw and cheeks - they look messed up in comparison to her befores. I don't know if Marten shaved them - only an x-ray or CT could answer that - but he surely took out or repositioned her facial fat, redraped the skin in a clumsy way so as to create folds and sagging (which should not be present after one of his aggressive composite lifts) and generally made a mess of her face. So what if he's done 100s of beautiful face lifts - this lady has every right to be angry.
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OP if your so grossly botched as you claim to be from this surgery, get medical imaging done and find another doc to agree this was medical malpractice. Then you've got a leg to stand on in court for damages. Or you're not from the states, if I recall from a previous post... just saying anyways.
She has got pics - I can see what she's saying:
https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/tim-marten-md-san-francisco?userid=BCrQ3Xls5XAI8R0vulyz0w
OP do you think that he cut out the fat and did redraped the skin incorrectly rather than shave the jaw?
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HAHAHHAAHHAHAHHAH
Oh my god this thread is f**king comical. I take it back. Those pics are bulls**t.
And I can't even listen to this bulls**t about Marten burring bones. He doesn't even do that s**t
I doubt he even has a bone burring device. He burred your cheekbones?????? WTF. Yeah right.
PROOF OR IT DIDN"T HAPPEN.
And you're a liar, you're not 40, you're in your 50s easy.
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HAHAHHAAHHAHAHHAH
Oh my god this thread is f**king comical. I take it back. Those pics are bulls**t.
And I can't even listen to this bulls**t about Marten burring bones. He doesn't even do that s**t
I doubt he even has a bone burring device. He burred your cheekbones?????? WTF. Yeah right.
PROOF OR IT DIDN"T HAPPEN.
And you're a liar, you're not 40, you're in your 50s easy.
Why don't you ask for proof from all the people who've been "mutilated" by docs here then, rather than auto agreeing with them?
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Why don't you ask for proof from all the people who've been "mutilated" by docs here then, rather than auto agreeing with them?
Well okay I don't know what I find fishy about this person but I feel like there's something very fishy going on here.
Like WHY would Marten burr her nose or cheekbones. Like that sounds completely ludicrous. I know a couple of marten patient one a 30 year old guy and another a 66 year old woman both who had incredible results with Marten.
Like it's possible this patient didn't quite get what she wanted and I'm willing to concede the results may not have been ideal. But that Marten mutilated her by burring off her brow bones and cheekbones and nose and jawline. Come on, give me a break.
If ANY of that is true. you have a homerun courtroom case in your hands. YOU WILL WIN BIG TIME. So go ahead and sue him and lets see what happens. You just need another doc to verify all the stuff you've said that your bones were burred etc. etc. etc. Oh and I'm assuming this is all written down in Marten's surgery notes which you legally have the right to get a copy of. And let's say he is lying in them. It would be easy to verify what you say by having an x-ray examined with a prior x-ray of you before surgery. I'm almost CERTAIN you have no evidence of your claims cause they sound too strange. But if you're telling the truth, well then you can sue him for a few million dollars and you'll win OP.
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I think it's fairly obvious that he didn't burr her jawline or cheekbones.
Of course, anything's possible, but I doubt it for the same reasons.
Two things: the OP is emotionally distraught and has legit bad results. Given the extent of the unexplained 'damage', she has speculated/concluded that the cause of these multiple problems relates, in part, to facial bone contouring surgery.
I guess if someone who's never had jaw surgery (or any kind of surgery) before gets a really bad outcome, then they might draw incorrect conclusions in an effort to understand why their face looks the way it does.
Most people don't realise that bad face lifts can distort the shape of the jawline (making it look pixie-ish). Given that fat can be moved around in a face lift, this could have made it look as if she'd lost some of her 'cheekbones'.
Anyway, I think it'd be more productive to help her figure out what was actually done wrong in her surgery and point her in the right direction. What grates me is when I see a bunch of people who've never even had surgery with the doctor in question, plus one or two of the doctor's 'superfans', pour scorn on other people who are ultimately doing the rest of us a favour by warning us against bad/unstable doctors. This is why people ended up going to Mommaerts in droves - there used to be no criticism about him anywhere, only praise - and look what happened.
Well okay I don't know what I find fishy about this person but I feel like there's something very fishy going on here.
Like WHY would Marten burr her nose or cheekbones. Like that sounds completely ludicrous. I know a couple of marten patient one a 30 year old guy and another a 66 year old woman both who had incredible results with Marten.
Like it's possible this patient didn't quite get what she wanted and I'm willing to concede the results may not have been ideal. But that Marten mutilated her by burring off her brow bones and cheekbones and nose and jawline. Come on, give me a break.
If ANY of that is true. you have a homerun courtroom case in your hands. YOU WILL WIN BIG TIME. So go ahead and sue him and lets see what happens. You just need another doc to verify all the stuff you've said that your bones were burred etc. etc. etc. Oh and I'm assuming this is all written down in Marten's surgery notes which you legally have the right to get a copy of. And let's say he is lying in them. It would be easy to verify what you say by having an x-ray examined with a prior x-ray of you before surgery. I'm almost CERTAIN you have no evidence of your claims cause they sound too strange. But if you're telling the truth, well then you can sue him for a few million dollars and you'll win OP.
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I believe he did similar procedure to me that they do in Korea. He sliced off my jawbone. Then he burred off my cheekbones and under eyes and eyebrow bone. He also burred my nose and forehead etc. I did not have any bones to burr, but still he found something to burr away. My face was very swollen for several weeks and months because of he violated my bones too.
This is exactly my point.
The OP thinks that the reason for her thinned out jawline etc. is down to bone contouring surgery - she doesn't have any other point of reference or viable explanation as to how a face lift (soft tissue procedure) could create apparent changes in the contour of the face.
Marten's face lifts are aggressive and cause months of extreme swelling, the extent of which could be comparable to burring the bone. So that's likely fuelled her suspicions as well.
What probably happened was that he pulled too tight, got the vector wrong and/or removed too much skin, which could've altered the natural shape of her jawline substantially. If the swelling on the forehead was prolonged, then this could have stretched out the skin further, making it lax and wrinkly. Re. the cheekbones - well, whatever he did there involved messing with the fat in her face - obvious from the big ditches in her mid cheek. So he either took fat out or moved it to the wrong places.
Either way, he's made enough of a mess for me to not consider using him at any point in future.
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Okay, well if she calms down and puts up some proper before and after pictures we can help her to figure out what's wrong.
In fact, I'm willing to lend my expertise to this situation and also suggest to her how she could fix the problem.
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What are those pics? Bad quality, pulling contorted faces and expressions. Can't see any proper profile or 3/4 shots, nothing. Useless
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I just did an on line search of the San Francisco County Court docket. The last time Dr. Timothy Marten was involved in a lawsuit was 1998, eighteen years ago. That was a dispute over a contract, not a patient.
There are quite a many cases... Under those names are those cases...
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There are quite a many cases... Under those names are those cases...
So to show how misleading your posting is, you are suggesting or wanting the people on this forum to believe that those are all patients of Dr. Marten or his clinic that are suing him for malpractice in his plastic surgery clinic? Right ?
So there are seven "entries". But if you actually go the Court files here is what you find:
Not in sequence:
1) 1997 is a breach of contract case with an employee;
2) 2010 is a malpractice case that was dismissed by the court for lack of merit;
3) 2006 is a case by Marten against a sub contractor for release of a mechanics lean for carpet;
4) 1998 is a case of some description which was decided in Marten's favor. May not be a malpractice case. It was decided before trial because the person who brought the suit was unable to produce any evidence;
5) See 7, below;
6) See 7, below;
7) 2011 . This the same case number as 5 & 6), above. It is the same case in which the mysterious "Jane Doe" is bringing a malpractice case against Dr. Marten and his clinic. It is set for trial after more than 5 years in the court system.
In short - - of the seven entries on the Court's docket list, there are really on five different cases, and of those, only two or maybe 3 are related to surgery in any way. One is pending, and the other one or two were apparently dismissed by the Court before they ever went to trial.
There has never, so far, been a successful case against Dr. Marten related to surgery.
So you posted up a list of cases, which were presumably intended for the people on this forum to believe represented seven different malpractice cases against Marten and his clinic.
Some people could easily construe that as an attempt to deceive people and deliberately damage a persons' professional reputation.
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Who cares whether the three malpractice cases against Marten were 'successful'?!
The fact is, Marten did something wrong, otherwise those patients wouldn't have even managed to find willing attorneys. The fact that the corrupt system in the US favours doctors means that they had no chance of winning; it doesn't mean that he did nothing 'wrong'.
Also, in the UK at least, doctors occasionally settle out of court before the case goes to trial, making it look like they have a 'clean record'.
Pointing out a doctor's previous lawsuits (which are publicly available online) isn't an attempt at 'deception'. It's pointing out a fact: there have been previous lawsuits against him. What's the issue?
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Who cares whether the three malpractice cases against Marten were 'successful'?!
The fact is, Marten did something wrong, otherwise those patients wouldn't have even managed to find willing attorneys. The fact that the corrupt system in the US favours doctors means that they had no chance of winning; it doesn't mean that he did nothing 'wrong'.
Also, in the UK at least, doctors occasionally settle out of court before the case goes to trial, making it look like they have a 'clean record'.
Pointing out a doctor's previous lawsuits (which are publicly available online) isn't an attempt at 'deception'. It's pointing out a fact: there have been previous lawsuits against him. What's the issue?
Again... I think you are mis informed.
There may only be two cases, not three. And one of those two was dismissed - - for lack of prosecution - - most likely because the patient could not find a lawyer that thought her case was good enough to be worth spending his time on.
Contingent fee legal work functions as a relatively effective system that tends to keep lawyers from filing cases that lack merit. It does not always work well, but in most cases it does.
These are, at most two cases, neither of which has yet to be shown to have any merit. They cover a period of 10 years. For a surgeon that has operated on probably 1500 to 2000 patients in that ten years.
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The US & UK legal systems require you to find an expert witness (i.e. another surgeon) who's willing to testify against their colleague. That in itself is a barrier to the success of 99% of PS-related lawsuits and has nothing to do with 'merit' in terms of the damages suffered by the plaintiff.
Ultimately, attorneys won't touch cases that are likely to net them $0 USD. Most patients can't afford to bring about a lawsuit AND fix the results of their bad surgery. A shake up of the system is the only thing that would reveal a comprehensive picture, but unfortunately that is unlikely to happen within the next 10 years.
My point was: those Marten patients all had grievances and were evidently prepared to take things further. That can't be denied. And since patients on this forum routinely complain about their results and provide NO photographic evidence to back up their claims (let alone poor quality pics), the 'Marten defence league' on here was a bit startling to me. Particularly since this is a forum about jaw surgery - not PS.
Also, it's so obvious that the OP's first language isn't English. The world 'stole' (which very obviously meant 'robbed me of' in relation to her former appearance) was taken out of context by certain members here - all of whom knew exactly what she meant. That seemed like plain bullying to me.
I have to add that the same people have been praising Marten year after year for at least 5 years and that amounts to about 3-4 people max. Hardly a legion of fans and I've seen complaints elsewhere too.
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My point was: those Marten patients all had grievances and were evidently prepared to take things further. That can't be denied. And since patients on this forum routinely complain about their results and provide NO photographic evidence to back up their claims (let alone poor quality pics), the 'Marten defence league' on here was a bit startling to me. Particularly since this is a forum about jaw surgery - not PS.
ALL ? If by "all" you mean three at most, and most likely only two.
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Timothy J Marten had no right to make my face shape disappear...
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Timothy J Marten had no right to alter my jaw bones or any other bones or do many of the things he did to me...
My feminine facial shape is gone due to his actions.
I think it looks really good. Nice and taut, youthful, good definition. What's your problem?
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I think it looks really good. Nice and taut, youthful, good definition. What's your problem?
Yes the first picture looks good, where no one reshaped anything. The one on right shows how he reshaped my jaw etc. to look as awful as possible. If you would see the whole picture you could see how disgusting the whole head shape is now. It is insane what he did.
You just Lazlo write your opinnions to this thread to make it sound like Timothy J Marten did nothing wrong by doing all these things to me without my consent. As you can see my jaw bone looks like amputated. It is either because of fat eliminated or bone.
It is a crime to reshape patients face like that.
My life ended in July 2016 when Timothy J Marten in San Francisco reshaped my face to this disgusting form.
I was easy victim because I am not from USA. He was supposed to be one of the best. No way one of the best does all of these things this man did to me.
I need my jaw back and all the other parts too. Then I look like my self again. I doubt it is possible...
He told me I can tell people I lost some weight and that I can use restylane. I did not quite get that because I had been able to grow fat on my face and only thing that I needed off was tiny bit of the lax top skin. Now that the swelling is gone I can see my face is smaller and is missing fat and structure more than when my weight was 47kg and I was quite skinny.
My face would have been easy to restore with the 2 things I needed, but he decided to alter my looks and it was in away that I would have more problems (fat elimination!!). My lips eg. are soon like old grandmothers lips since he took structure out from them and I'm already getting the vertical lines there and the areas he took fats out ache now that the swelling is gone... If he would have done what I asked for my lips and everything would be now more youthful... but no. My under eyes have less fat too now that Tim took some out. WRONG!
This all is purposeful genuine hate towards me. Things done without consent is that! He knew nothing about me and he chose to hate me this much. He took my life by doing those things without my consent.
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Clearly English is not your first language, that is not different for many of us but try to check what you post before or after you posted. After all that English is not your first language does not justify writing things such as that this doctor "amputated your bones" without any proof or proper pics. These are far-fetched judgments. --- Then some emotional claims are made about being photographed without having your surgery gown on and that your gown was removed for surgery without your knowledge. Did you agree to have fat injected somewhere? Since that would explain: how can fat be lipo'ed with a surgery gown (or underwear) on? Be real please, instead of almost accusing a surgeon and his team of physical abuse without anything to back up your claims.
Start with clear pictures (and not the current zoomed in shots with weird facial expressions) instead of these awkward statements that this is 'purposeful genuine hate' towards you. I agree with Raga that it is not right to instantly dismiss the complaints of a patient, but you lose any credibility the moment you start raging like this.
This is my last message to this thread.
I find it strange too that some of these people have such an enthusiasm to disbelieve negative reviews about certain doctor but then again they do not complain on the other threads where there is no pictures or the pictures are as "bad".
Also Ilovethemoon you could have read all the posts and then you didn't need to speculate.
You can think what ever, but no patient should be photographed when they are under anestesia gown stripped off and completely naked if that was not agreed before. If it is agreed pictures can be taken, but not when body is naked when it is face operation. No fat should be harvested or injected either without a permission.
I think my pictures on this thread about eg. my jaw are pretty clear and people can see from them the change of appearance for much worse.
I'm sorry if my texts here do not seem real to you.
In general people who have faced something terrible like this, they do feel the urge to tell the truth and not sugar coat it in any way.
Credibility is not lost when people are upset.
Credibility is rather lost when some people who have not even been certain doctors patient and they start trashing review of a person who has been harmed and who just warn other people. It is a typical pattern in these sites. Usually someone who works for the place or is affiliated with them in some way does that.
If doctor harms a patient on purpose (it is on purpose when something that was not agreed was done) and patient begs for help for several months without telling anything public and still the doctor does no help to cure the injury then it is a good time to tell everything in public.
Also the truth is like an open book. If someone has nothing to hide they let you know everything. In this case that has not happened. No OR staff can be reached and talked to since this doctor does not let that happen. Not all of the names of the staff are not mentioned on the papers properly.