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General Category => Aesthetics => Topic started by: Austinou88 on May 29, 2017, 07:34:57 PM
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Hi,
I'm a 21 year old guy and my chin is real short, and weak. I'm also thinking my jaw might be recessed.
What things would improve my appearance?
http://imgur.com/a/YzLWX
(http://imgur.com/a/YzLWX)https://imgur.com/a/l2eQo (https://imgur.com/a/l2eQo)
Thanks!
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imho you have a case for bimax.
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imho you have a case for bimax.
Yeah. If you got CCW bimax, you probably wouldn't even need a genio. An isolated genio would make your chin look too pointy and you'd still look recessed.
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Jaw.
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So go visit a Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeon?
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It's your jaw, see a surgeon. You need bimax advancement, probable ccw rotation, likely no genioplasty is necessary.
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Ya bimax ccw is crutial in your case
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I'll not sugar coat anything and I'll be very frank. You're miles away from being good looking and if you want to improve your looks, you need multiple surgeries/procedures.
Main issues:
* Recessed jaws
* Subpar mouth area.
* Bad eye area. Nice eye colour, but significant upper eyelid exposure. Eye position itself looks off to me.
* Ugly nose.
* Bad colouring and eyebrows that appear to be non-existent.
* Hairline seems high. You might be balding.
To improve:
* Jaw surgery
* Eye area surgeries
* Rhinoplasty
* Tanning
* Darkening your hair, dyeing eyebrows
* Anti hair loss medications if you are balding (RU, dut/fin, minoxidil, nizoral)
* Hair transplant for hairline - optional - you're not that bad.
Irregardless of what people might say to you in real life or here, in terms of looks you've got dealt pretty bad hand and you have multiple bad features. I do think that you can improve significantly, but it's going to be a costly and lengthy journey.
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I honestly hate when people say you need 15 operations to just achieve excellent balance and MMC perfection.
This is BS. The ONLY reason someone needs to undergo surgery on both jaws is to correct a deficiency and not for looks alone.
The least operation possible is the solution here. When you mess with nature, you become "plastic", and when you age, and bones settle overtime and shift, collagen in the skin breaks down, it can make you look downright ugly. I think we all agree on this, thank you.
I think a nose contouring (rhino) and ONLY genio. Do only bimax if you have underdeveloped upper and lower jaw.
To the poster above, he's not balding.
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I honestly hate when people say you need 15 operations to just achieve excellent balance and MMC perfection.
This is BS. The ONLY reason someone needs to undergo surgery on both jaws is to correct a deficiency and not for looks alone.
The least operation possible is the solution here. When you mess with nature, you become "plastic", and when you age, and bones settle overtime and shift, collagen in the skin breaks down, it can make you look downright ugly. I think we all agree on this, thank you.
I think a nose contouring (rhino) and ONLY genio. Do only bimax if you have underdeveloped upper and lower jaw.
To the poster above, he's not balding.
I see balding by the corner of his temples in the side profile, but who knows that's just an observation for OP to figure out. Easy fix and optional in the grand scheme of things.
Look at his forward head posture. Medical "deficiencies" (if that's what you meant by deficiency) aside, he's probably got an orthognathic skeletal imbalance that's been treated with braces years ago. He's got a really strong chin bone masking a retrognathic jaw. But I bet he's got nothing medically aside from possibly mild OSA, but stands to benefit, albeit purely aesthetically, from an aesthetically minded bimax surgery. How much I have no clue, bimax doesn't seem to fix much in the grand scheme of things unless you've got a much more obvious jaw deformity.
His eyes are fine, since I presume his lids are lowered a bit from looking slightly down to the camera. Don't need a tan, don't need to darken your hair. Your aesthetic problems are your nose and jaw. It's OP's call whether he wants full aesthetic correction with bimax or a possible compromise with an SG. That's the grey zone no one knows which is 'worth it' over the other unless you're literally deformed and/or have medical issues with your jaws.
Curious how that all sounds to you, ryan?
On 2nd thought, see a salon and ask if you should darken your eyebrows a little. Might be a terrible idea, I dono.
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What is your definition of "normal" and how does this relate to OP?
It would only be fair to make an evaluation based on records submitted to the forums, as in the cephs and xrays from his youth to his current age. I would like to see any conditions that developed as a child into adulthood. Without them, we are just speculating.
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What is your definition of "normal" and how does this relate to OP?
It would only be fair to make an evaluation based on records submitted to the forums, as in the cephs and xrays from his youth to his current age. I would like to see any conditions that developed as a child into adulthood. Without them, we are just speculating.
Normal is skeletal balance and harmonious facial features, in a nutshell. Skeletal balance isn't an art but straight measurements when it comes to the upper and lower jaw. The aesthetic abnormality 'tells' here are the bulbosity of the nose tip, taking attention away from his eyes. Uneven lips (lower lip behind upper), yet a sharp labiomental fold (strong chin - I think). So the genio may actually make that fold even worse and give him the look of a 'deep bite' with an unnaturally protruding chin. I could be totally wrong on all this, I'm not a doc or even well read on this stuff.
We're in the aesthetic subforum, so while many people with his looks may not even think of surgery, this guy apparently is and is looking for info. I agree, in principle, avoid surgery as much as possible. That's OP's choice as he collects info and ruminates.
He hasn't shared cephs so there's no information to offer him here in that area. Not sure how childhood conditions vs now matter.
EDIT - bottom line, is it your jaw or chin? It's your jaw. Don't augment your chin as a standalone procedure.
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I think that a good first step might be for you to identify what it is that you might not like. If the answer is "nothing," then I don't see that there's a problem for you to solve. If you identify something or some things, then you'll know if this is something that might be addressed by a maxillofacial surgeon, a plastic surgeon, or both. If you identify the need for soft tissue procedures, I recommend getting a few consultations with good plastic surgeons. If you identify the need for soft jaw/bone procedures, I recommend getting a few consultations with good maxillofacial surgeons. After you determine which, if either, applies, it might be good to ask for opinions from people about how is a good surgeon to consult with as a second step.
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I've noticed everyone mentions "Bimax CCW".
Is that basically having a full-scale jaw surgery, both jaws and everything?
Also are braces optional?
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I'll not sugar coat anything and I'll be very frank. You're miles away from being good looking and if you want to improve your looks, you need multiple surgeries/procedures.
Was a bit hard for me to read that, but I appreciate your honesty.
As for balding, have never lost any hair. Just have a high hairline I guess?
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Had rhinoplasty a few months ago, nose is looking better.
Still really swollen though.
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I honestly hate when people say you need 15 operations to just achieve excellent balance and MMC perfection.
This is BS. The ONLY reason someone needs to undergo surgery on both jaws is to correct a deficiency and not for looks alone.
The least operation possible is the solution here. When you mess with nature, you become "plastic", and when you age, and bones settle overtime and shift, collagen in the skin breaks down, it can make you look downright ugly. I think we all agree on this, thank you.
I think a nose contouring (rhino) and ONLY genio. Do only bimax if you have underdeveloped upper and lower jaw.
To the poster above, he's not balding.
Appreciate the help. I started a consult with Gunson, so I guess I'll find out my answer soon enough right?
Is Genio only if you have an issue with the chin?
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I see balding by the corner of his temples in the side profile, but who knows that's just an observation for OP to figure out. Easy fix and optional in the grand scheme of things.
Look at his forward head posture. Medical "deficiencies" (if that's what you meant by deficiency) aside, he's probably got an orthognathic skeletal imbalance that's been treated with braces years ago. He's got a really strong chin bone masking a retrognathic jaw. But I bet he's got nothing medically aside from possibly mild OSA, but stands to benefit, albeit purely aesthetically, from an aesthetically minded bimax surgery. How much I have no clue, bimax doesn't seem to fix much in the grand scheme of things unless you've got a much more obvious jaw deformity.
His eyes are fine, since I presume his lids are lowered a bit from looking slightly down to the camera. Don't need a tan, don't need to darken your hair. Your aesthetic problems are your nose and jaw. It's OP's call whether he wants full aesthetic correction with bimax or a possible compromise with an SG. That's the grey zone no one knows which is 'worth it' over the other unless you're literally deformed and/or have medical issues with your jaws.
Curious how that all sounds to you, ryan?
On 2nd thought, see a salon and ask if you should darken your eyebrows a little. Might be a terrible idea, I dono.
Never had any balding problems, maybe just the photo?
Only medical issue I've had is OSA, being mild so you're right about that.
My eyes seem to be real beady, at least that's what my friend told me once.
I wonder if it could be Ptosis? Eyes seem so small.
I've had my brows darkened a few times in the past. Seemed like the only tint that would work is making them gray.
I guess seeing an esthetician wouldn't hurt for that?
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I think that a good first step might be for you to identify what it is that you might not like. If the answer is "nothing," then I don't see that there's a problem for you to solve. If you identify something or some things, then you'll know if this is something that might be addressed by a maxillofacial surgeon, a plastic surgeon, or both. If you identify the need for soft tissue procedures, I recommend getting a few consultations with good plastic surgeons. If you identify the need for soft jaw/bone procedures, I recommend getting a few consultations with good maxillofacial surgeons. After you determine which, if either, applies, it might be good to ask for opinions from people about how is a good surgeon to consult with as a second step.
Thanks for the tips, really appreciate it. Really trying to
do things right. I know surgery is serious stuff.
Really would like to have some sort of a balanced appearance.
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Normal is skeletal balance and harmonious facial features, in a nutshell. Skeletal balance isn't an art but straight measurements when it comes to the upper and lower jaw. The aesthetic abnormality 'tells' here are the bulbosity of the nose tip, taking attention away from his eyes. Uneven lips (lower lip behind upper), yet a sharp labiomental fold (strong chin - I think). So the genio may actually make that fold even worse and give him the look of a 'deep bite' with an unnaturally protruding chin. I could be totally wrong on all this, I'm not a doc or even well read on this stuff.
We're in the aesthetic subforum, so while many people with his looks may not even think of surgery, this guy apparently is and is looking for info. I agree, in principle, avoid surgery as much as possible. That's OP's choice as he collects info and ruminates.
He hasn't shared cephs so there's no information to offer him here in that area. Not sure how childhood conditions vs now matter.
EDIT - bottom line, is it your jaw or chin? It's your jaw. Don't augment your chin as a standalone procedure.
Definitely not trying to jump the gun on anything. Or gun-ho on getting surgeries.
But really trying to be meticulous on research and planning, I know that's the important part.
I don't have any set of cephs, just a panoramic x-ray at the least right now.
Should I try and get a hold of my old cephs? Get a set done?
What kinds of things can make things go wrong from childhood to now?
Embarrassingly, I had a prolonged thumb/2 fingers sucking habit as a kid. Like till 12 or 13 I think! Don't know why.
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This is within the realm of possibility. I barely manipulated your underlying bone structure except at the jaw angles and the lateral prominence of the cheekbones and slightly their vertical-set (all three bone manipulations not enough to make much of an aesthetic difference and not difficult to perform surgically).
Unfortunately I didn't change your ipd as it's not going to happen for you. It would make a massive difference. Also, since I did this from my phone in under 5 minutes, it's not that great of a morph. It looks off considering the distortion of the pupils and some of the soft tissue distortions that came with simple airbrushing.
The individual above who said you didn't need a tan or to darken your eyebrows doesn't know what he's talking about. Fwiw I left your eyebrow color as is mostly.
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This is within the realm of possibility. I barely manipulated your underlying bone structure except at the jaw angles and the lateral prominence of the cheekbones and slightly their vertical-set (all three bone manipulations not enough to make much of an aesthetic difference and not difficult to perform surgically).
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Unfortunately I didn't change your ipd as it's not going to happen for you. It would make a massive difference. Also, since I did this from my phone in under 5 minutes, it's not that great of a morph. It looks off considering the distortion of the pupils and some of the soft tissue distortions that came with simple airbrushing.
The individual above who said you didn't need a tan or to darken your eyebrows doesn't know what he's talking about. Fwiw I left your eyebrow color as is mostly.
Interesting, so you’re saying you manipulated my jaw angle and cheek bones correct?
I’m confused are these different procedures than jaw surgery or a part of it?
Also what about eye surgery? I was told by an Oculoplastic Surgeon that my eyes are not straight forward given upper lid ptosis and lower eyelid retraction.
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Agree with everything MOON said.
1. Also, your neurocranium looks moderately wider than your facial skeleteon, giving you an unattractive, creepy lightbulb-shaped head.
2. Your eyebrows are really light but even worse, almost non-existent.
3. Mouth is very narrow relative to your facial width and relative to the volume of soft tissue within the space it occupies.
4. Hairline is high and destroys the niche you should be focusing on.
5. Skin is worse than I had expected. One of your largest problems. You need to be working on your skin tone and it's undertones.
6. Narrowness of your eyes (palpebral fissure width) relative to your bizygomagic distance, midface length, and interpupilary distance. Widening them will also increase the outercanthal distance, making the eyes look slightly further apart.
Conclusion: Double Jaw Surgery is the LEAST IMPORTANT THING YOU SHOULD BE WORKING ON. I don't understand how so many autists here have convinced themselves that some form of bimax is the way to solve their aesthetic problems. So many of you, including OP, have a whole host of issues that would be easier fixed (not to mention more beneficial) then moving your DA portion of the Maxilla and the Mandible in ~1 dimension and rotating it.
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Agree with everything MOON said.
I did a TON of research into Eyebrow Hair Transplants.
They transplant hair from your head or on your leg to your eyebrows, whatever matches the best.
I had a couple of consults with Hair and Eyebrow Restoration Surgeons who did them.
They told me I'm a perfect candidate.
Would it be worth it to consider it?
Would having noticeable eyebrows, that are darker actually make much of a difference?
Dr. Marc Dauer is Los Angeles has done a lot of them
And apparently is the best of the best when it comes to doing it.
And in regards to a high hairline, what would you recommend?
Just keeping my hair longer, or actually looking into doing an actual hair transplant to lower it?
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There is hairline lowering surgery that many women with high hairlines get.
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There is hairline lowering surgery that many women with high hairlines get.
So women, not men?
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So women, not men?
Plenty of men too.
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I did a TON of research into Eyebrow Hair Transplants.
They transplant hair from your head or on your leg to your eyebrows, whatever matches the best.
I had a couple of consults with Hair and Eyebrow Restoration Surgeons who did them.
They told me I'm a perfect candidate.
Would it be worth it to consider it?
Would having noticeable eyebrows, that are darker actually make much of a difference?
Dr. Marc Dauer is Los Angeles has done a lot of them
And apparently is the best of the best when it comes to doing it.
And in regards to a high hairline, what would you recommend?
Just keeping my hair longer, or actually looking into doing an actual hair transplant to lower it?
Hair transplant and/or hairline lowering. If you were wealthy you should do both. Maybe even dye your hair and see if it's reasonable. Your concern should be that it looks dorky or abnormal, not 'exotic' which it obviously will.
Yes, you're a prime candidate for eyebrow restoration. Increasing the density and darkening (in line with your hair color) will help massively. Still won't make you good looking though, so don't get your hopes up too much.
You may be very happy though if it all goes well as it will be a *noticeable improvement*.
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Hair transplant and/or hairline lowering. If you were wealthy you should do both. Maybe even dye your hair and see if it's reasonable. Your concern should be that it looks dorky or abnormal, not 'exotic' which it obviously will.
Yes, you're a prime candidate for eyebrow restoration. Increasing the density and darkening (in line with your hair color) will help massively. Still won't make you good looking though, so don't get your hopes up too much.
You may be very happy though if it all goes well as it will be a *noticeable improvement*.
Legit
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Also what about eye surgery?
I was told by an Oculoplastic Surgeon that my eyes are not straight forward given upper lid ptosis and lower eyelid retraction.
Which oculoplastig you had consultation and what surgery he suggest you? I do not think you have crossed eyes but maybe mild upper ptosis of the eyelids?
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As I had said, although Lefort4 has given some good advice, I don't agree that your mouth would be 'too narrow' or that the width of your mouth in any way would hold you back in looks. It is mainly the lack of visible eyebrows that extend laterally and the eyes that make your features look somewhat narrower-set.
Plenty of handsome guys have what would also qualify as a narrower mouth then. Such as Mantas Armalis:
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And Simon Nessman's mouth is also not particularly wide:
http://www.malemodelscene.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Simon-Nessman-Diana-Scheunemann-Mens-Health-Best-Fashion-08.jpg (http://www.malemodelscene.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Simon-Nessman-Diana-Scheunemann-Mens-Health-Best-Fashion-08.jpg)
Just to list two examples. Anyhow: there would not be any surgery to widen the mouth (unless a surgeon would be willing to perform a particularly disfiguring procedure or you may want to try a multitude of facelifts that could stretch the mouth. Doubt the result would look very appealing though). But as said: I do not believe this is holding the OP back in looks at all.
You just used the argument that unattractive features exist on good-looking people, and therefore those features can't be unattractive. Literally any of OP's flaws could be found on people in the 99th percentile of physical attractiveness.
This is not a good argument, nor is it relevant. While OP's mouth width relative to bigonial width, bizygomatic width, and interpupillary distance is not ideal, he does indeed have more pressing issues.
Also, a lateral commisuroplaty is not disfiguring, though it does leave a small scar.
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Hair transplant and/or hairline lowering. If you were wealthy you should do both. Maybe even dye your hair and see if it's reasonable. Your concern should be that it looks dorky or abnormal, not 'exotic' which it obviously will.
Yes, you're a prime candidate for eyebrow restoration. Increasing the density and darkening (in line with your hair color) will help massively. Still won't make you good looking though, so don't get your hopes up too much.
You may be very happy though if it all goes well as it will be a *noticeable improvement*.
So in terms of making the biggest difference first, looking into Hair Transplant/Lowering and Eyebrow Restoration would be the best?
Or would Jaw Surgery be a better first step Aesthetically?
Also, I know Korea does a lot of eye surgery's.
Is there anything better about what they do there, vs in the USA on what could help?
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Aesthetically, jaw surgery will make the biggest difference. Convex profile like yours is a risk factor for sleep apnea, so you should consider getting a sleep study done. Schedule a consultation with Gunson if you're in Cali because he's the best surgeon for your case. Don't get any cosmetic operations until you have had jaw surgery. I reckon it'll be enough to improve your eyes if you're concerned about that.
You don't need a hairline lowering because the distance between your hairline and glabella is equal to the distance between your glabella and base of the nose. You certainly shouldn't get a hair transplant and waste limited donor hair unnecessarily. You don't seem to have any hair loss and your hairline is fine.
Rihanna and Cara, for example, have big foreheads since their upper third is bigger than their other facial thirds.
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Aesthetically, jaw surgery will make the biggest difference. Convex profile like yours is a risk factor for sleep apnea, so you should consider getting a sleep study done. Schedule a consultation with Gunson if you're in Cali because he's the best surgeon for your case. Don't get any cosmetic operations until you have had jaw surgery. I reckon it'll be enough to improve your eyes if you're concerned about that.
You don't need a hairline lowering because the distance between your hairline and glabella is equal to the distance between your glabella and base of the nose. You certainly shouldn't get a hair transplant and waste limited donor hair unnecessarily. You don't seem to have any hair loss and your hairline is fine.
Rihanna and Cara, for example, have big foreheads since their upper third is bigger than their other facial thirds.
My Sleep study I did last year showed having Mild OSA.
But I hear it gradually gets worse over time?
A few months later I had the PAINFUL, UPPP Surgery, done but I don't think it cured my OSA.
It has about a 25% to 30% success rate.
In the middle of a paper consult with Dr. Gunson at the moment. But would like to consult in person after I get done with boot camp in San Diego.
I scheduled a consultation with Dr. Robert J. Relle in LA as well. Was highly recommended by a lot of patients.
Never had any hair loss, if anything too much hair!
Why does my forehead seem so big, s it my lack of color/visibility in my eyebrows?
What do you think about Eyebrow Restoration? Worth consulting on now or eventually? Or focus on jaw first as you said?
I know Dr. Marc Dauer, a Hair and Eyebrow Restoration Surgeon in LA does a lot of them. He's apparently one of the best around the world at it specifically.
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Which oculoplastig you had consultation and what surgery he suggest you? I do not think you have crossed eyes but maybe mild upper ptosis of the eyelids?
Didn't have a consultation in person yet.
That's just based off the responses of surgeon's I sent photos to online.
Almost all of them say I've got Ptosis though, some say in both eyelids. Here's one: http://imgur.com/a/W0FEe
Am not cross eyed, sorry if I mixed up my words there.
So besides having probably Ptosis, what else is going on?
Whats it going to take to get my eyes to look better?
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Be very careful with hairline lowering surgery. I've seen several patients that had permanent hairloss along the hairline as a consequence. I assume as a result of the amount of tension (= stress) put on the skin. Going bald is not worth it. Here's only one example:
https://www.realself.com/review/oakland-california-forehead-reduction-permanent-hair-loss-regret-after-forehead (https://www.realself.com/review/oakland-california-forehead-reduction-permanent-hair-loss-regret-after-forehead)
Plus imo the scar is always visible. A woman can use make-up to cover up, us guys can't.
If you want to get your hairline lowered you'd be better off with FUE, certainly since you seem to have a good amount of hair. I would first focus on the eyebrows and eyes however and see what growing your hair out more could do for you in terms of aesthetics. Focus on the eyebrows/eyes, let your hair grow out meanwhile. Stop, assess, in other words, and then decide therafter if you want to get FUE. Unless you have unlimited funds to pay for surgery: then by all means go for FUE too while you work on the eyebrows/eyes.
But even with FUE and a lower hairline, you'd look better with a different haircut, imo. This haircut emphasizes the shape/size of your cranium. If you grow your hair out: far less so.
Heard similar regarding hairline lowering surgery and balding.
What/Where exactly would FUE benefit me? Is there anyway for it to make my cranium look less creepier at all?
Growing out my hair is just really difficult because of it's kinky, curly texture.
It seems almost impossible to keep long.
I once had it chemically straightened though, just to see what it would do.
Made growing it out, and keeping it long really easy. You have any examples of a different haircut(s)?
Or just having it long everywhere?
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You just used the argument that unattractive features exist on good-looking people, and therefore those features can't be unattractive. Literally any of OP's flaws could be found on people in the 99th percentile of physical attractiveness.
This is not a good argument, nor is it relevant. While OP's mouth width relative to bigonial width, bizygomatic width, and interpupillary distance is not ideal, he does indeed have more pressing issues.
Also, a lateral commisuroplaty is not disfiguring, though it does leave a small scar.
Would a lateral commisuroplaty involve a lot of risk?
And eyes being the most pressing issue?
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Who could I see to fix my eyes?
I played around with photoshop, and I literally looked a million times better when I opened up my eyes more.
Was shocking!
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Who could I see to fix my eyes?
I played around with photoshop, and I literally looked a million times better when I opened up my eyes more.
Was shocking!
Photoshop can be shocking. A few mms here, a few mms there and soon you have a new person.
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Photoshop can be shocking. A few mms here, a few mms there and soon you have a new person.
Seems to be the case.
One doctor I just recently spoke to told me that: "Horizontal length can only be slightly improved with lateral canthopexy. But the problem is as you lengthen the eye laterally
It will become more narrow vertically. Not Really anything to address this issue."
If that's true, than am I out of luck?
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Agree with everything MOON said.
1. Also, your neurocranium looks moderately wider than your facial skeleteon, giving you an unattractive, creepy lightbulb-shaped head.
it.
Would you suggest looking into Skull Reshaping?
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Seems to be the case.
One doctor I just recently spoke to told me that: "Horizontal length can only be slightly improved with lateral canthopexy. But the problem is as you lengthen the eye laterally
It will become more narrow vertically. Not Really anything to address this issue."
If that's true, than am I out of luck?
Since when do you not want eyes that are vertically narrow? That's one of the benefits.
Go see Dr. Taban and get a canthoplasty; a lateral lengthening canthoplasty which will literally widen your palapebral fissure too.
Also a commisuroplasty has to do with widening the mouth, not the eyes. Definitely riskier than the former.
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Would you suggest looking into Skull Reshaping?
Do you have the money for all this? If so, absolutely.
Ask Deschamps-Braly in SF and Eppley in Indiana what they can do for you.
Best of both worlds so to speak.
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Do you have the money for all this? If so, absolutely.
Ask Deschamps-Braly in SF and Eppley in Indiana what they can do for you.
Best of both worlds so to speak.
If it will make an improvement, than for sure.
What order of priority do you think would be best?
I'm thinking:
1. - Eye Surgery
2. - Eyebrow Hair Restoration
3. - Posterior Temporal Muscle Reduction
4. - Jaw Surgery
5. - Hair Transplant & Hairline Lowering?
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Since when do you not want eyes that are vertically narrow? That's one of the benefits.
Go see Dr. Taban and get a canthoplasty; a lateral lengthening canthoplasty which will literally widen your palapebral fissure too.
Also a commisuroplasty has to do with widening the mouth, not the eyes. Definitely riskier than the former.
I guess I didn't realize it, that's awesome.
How big on the scale of improvement would it be make afterward?
Would you suggest it before/over jaw surgery?
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Jaw surgery first and everything else after. You can get your eyebrows done whenever you want.
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Jaw surgery first and everything else after. You can get your eyebrows done whenever you want.
Ridiculous. Jaw surgery isn't the most important thing for everybody on Earth.
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So what would you recommend improving first, and so on?
Also, the doctor I spoke to regarding skull reshaping (Bilateral Temporal Reduction) got back to me.
Here's a before/after image: http://imgur.com/a/Hf52G (http://imgur.com/a/Hf52G)
Worth doing in my case?
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So what would you recommend improving first, and so on?
Also, the doctor I spoke to regarding skull reshaping (Bilateral Temporal Reduction) got back to me.
Here's a before/after image: http://imgur.com/a/Hf52G (http://imgur.com/a/Hf52G)
Worth doing in my case?
If it's a muscle thing, why not try Botox first?
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Do not see how botox would be relevant
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Do not see how botox would be relevant
I remember seeing some things on Botox being able to relax/shrinkage the muscle.
And that it could narrow your head more by injecting it. (probably wrong on this, kind of skimmed through when reading).
Ultimately, I think it would be time better spent consulting with Eppley though.
So not really worried about Botox anymore.
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Botox could not possibly shrink it that much. I guess.
Ya go to E though.
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Botox could not possibly shrink it that much. I guess.
Ya go to E though.
There's lots of big worded explanations on posterior temporal muscle, that's what Eppley would be cutting/reducing.
Sounds like it would be bad to mess with, apparently it controls jaw movement.
Found this video explanation on it, Venito (first commenter on video) asked about Eppley's procedure. Video: https://youtu.be/Rde5qudjiQY (https://youtu.be/Rde5qudjiQY)
The video maker didn't act like it was dangerous when he replied to his comment though.
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Botox could not possibly shrink it that much. I guess.
Ya go to E though.
Here's what Eppley says about Botox: http://www.eppleyplasticsurgery.com/can-temporal-reduction-help-narrow-my-head-width (http://www.eppleyplasticsurgery.com/can-temporal-reduction-help-narrow-my-head-width)