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General Category => Aesthetics => Topic started by: ahamis on August 14, 2017, 01:36:06 PM
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As I said in other post, I believe there are limitations for cheek bone augmentation in males.
Have u seen good results (implants, osteotomy, HA paste) in males? pics?
My impression is that "extended infraorbital implants" might have a better result than cheek implants in men.
What are your thoughts?
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This is talked about nearly as much as jaw surgery on here.
Thousands of posts and threads. I think the consensus is that NO, there are no ways to create a dense, strong, masculine set of cheekbones
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The people claiming it can't be done haven't seen any results where the zygomatic arch itself is elevated. This is possible but difficult and very rare according to Deschamps-Braly (a friend of mine asked him in consultation). This is critical for the 'masculine cheekbones' that you're looking for.
There isn't really a 'consensus' to speak of when that consensus is formed without all the relevant information.
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Implants can be placed right under the eye and all along the zygomatic arch yes and they have been done before, most surgeons are just lazy or don't understand what makes a male attractive. I mean who the F did Barry Manilow's cheeks
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The people claiming it can't be done haven't seen any results where the zygomatic arch itself is elevated. This is possible but difficult and very rare according to Deschamps-Braly (a friend of mine asked him in consultation). This is critical for the 'masculine cheekbones' that you're looking for.
There isn't really a 'consensus' to speak of when that consensus is formed without all the relevant information.
Why is it difficult? Why do Sailer and Yaremchuk do it?
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Why is it difficult? Why do Sailer and Yaremchuk do it?
Masseteric muscle inserts into the underside of the arch, which is problematic to alter. I suspect it has something to do with the temporal muscle insertions and the way in which the zygo arch transitions backwards into the neurocranium but I have no evidence of those last two points, so don't quote me on them.
Yaremchuk????
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I'm talking about implants on the arch, yeah Yaremchuk has done them, your theory sounds reasonable.
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I'm talking about implants on the arch, yeah Yaremchuk has done them, your theory sounds reasonable.
Oh I was referring to elevation of the arch
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Oh I was referring to elevation of the arch
I remembering 2012 reading on some sort of obscure forum or blog that Russian female models were having that area (the arches) cut as in an osteotomy and moved to be more prominent. It was so unusual I looked again in 2014 but couldn't find it, there was no surgeon mentioned si kind of useless anyway.
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You can kind of change the prominence through bone paste. It takes an extremly skilled practitioner. I think the way mommarts described the zygomatic sandwich its supposed to add width and height.
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I remembering 2012 reading on some sort of obscure forum or blog that Russian female models were having that area (the arches) cut as in an osteotomy and moved to be more prominent. It was so unusual I looked again in 2014 but couldn't find it, there was no surgeon mentioned si kind of useless anyway.
Elevation of the arch is possible but difficult. Augmentation goes without saying, easily done. And yes an osteotomy can move the arch outward.
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Why is it difficult? Why do Sailer and Yaremchuk do it?
Do you have more before/after pics from Sailer?
In his website I just found 2 examples.
http://www.sailerclinic.com/en/specialist-fields/aesthetic-surgery/cheekbone-reconstruction/
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https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12663-016-0893-7
maybe shoot this guy some questions? vertical and forward movement of the upper midface (to correct vertical excess at the same time). might be wrong but another paper mention something about a triangular rotational calculation which might mimick CCW at the LF3 level
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I have cheek implants and they look natural - Only issue I have is one moved and I had fat to correct it.
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What material?
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What material?
Silicon implants.
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Thank u for the answer.
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The zygomatic sandwich osteotomy can give significant projection to men in almost all cases as I've seen in B/As. The direction of augmentation is primarily lateral, but also OBLIQUE.
I think the importance of zygos in male aesthetics is overstated simply because so many male models have bulbous zygoma, selected for this ''unique'' looking phenotype, therefore we assume that they are essential for male aesthetics.
I agree that extended infra-orbital implants would give the ''high-set'' cheekbones look.
I think what's most important to cheekbone prominence is not bone, but soft tissue. The hollow cheeks look. It took me a long time to realize that I don't really have bone deficiency in my cheekbones, but I'm simply not blessed with a taut, tight looking masculine face. I have ''squishy'' cheeks. I don't know what it is underneath - I'm 5'11'' and 130lb. I hope I can find the holy grail to a lean face, I've only tried vitamin C so far and it's been okay.
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The zygomatic sandwich osteotomy can give significant projection to men in almost all cases as I've seen in B/As. The direction of augmentation is primarily lateral, but also OBLIQUE.
I think the importance of zygos in male aesthetics is overstated simply because so many male models have bulbous zygoma, selected for this ''unique'' looking phenotype, therefore we assume that they are essential for male aesthetics.
I agree that extended infra-orbital implants would give the ''high-set'' cheekbones look.
I think what's most important to cheekbone prominence is not bone, but soft tissue. The hollow cheeks look. It took me a long time to realize that I don't really have bone deficiency in my cheekbones, but I'm simply not blessed with a taut, tight looking masculine face. I have ''squishy'' cheeks. I don't know what it is underneath - I'm 5'11'' and 130lb. I hope I can find the holy grail to a lean face, I've only tried vitamin C so far and it's been okay.
I have to disagree with one point you've made. That taut look happens when you have a very prominent zygomatic arch and strong orbital rim projection plus "hefty" ie dense malar prominence. AND then you have a very strong gonial angle and strong jaw angle/mandibular prominence. that is why you get that s-curve and the seeming hollowness in the cheeks. It's because the soft tissue is tented out in two different directions and drapes inwards at the cheeks. Obviously some of this is based on having low body fat but if you don't have that taut look its because you don't have the right facial architecture. i know this as fact because i've now seen several people (including myself) who have had buccal fat removal and it does NOTHING to achieve this look. the fat and soft tissue can be excised and it just makes you look old and droopy and produces a terrible indentation in your cheeks near the surface. that model look is all based on facial bone structure, specifically the relation between the strong malar prominence and the strong mandible and wide jaw angle. fact.
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The zygomatic sandwich osteotomy can give significant projection to men in almost all cases as I've seen in B/As. The direction of augmentation is primarily lateral, but also OBLIQUE.
I think the importance of zygos in male aesthetics is overstated simply because so many male models have bulbous zygoma, selected for this ''unique'' looking phenotype, therefore we assume that they are essential for male aesthetics.
I agree that extended infra-orbital implants would give the ''high-set'' cheekbones look.
I think what's most important to cheekbone prominence is not bone, but soft tissue. The hollow cheeks look. It took me a long time to realize that I don't really have bone deficiency in my cheekbones, but I'm simply not blessed with a taut, tight looking masculine face. I have ''squishy'' cheeks. I don't know what it is underneath - I'm 5'11'' and 130lb. I hope I can find the holy grail to a lean face, I've only tried vitamin C so far and it's been okay.
Maybe a midface lift paired with a Zso? Should make the whole area tighter , in theory.