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General Category => Aesthetics => Topic started by: Tairos on December 24, 2017, 08:52:41 AM
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Hello, I'm a young guy who is looking into getting bimax in the next few years. I have a perfect bite and my main problems are my messed up chin and massive gummy smile, both of which I'm looking to fix with the surgery.
When I jut my jaw around 7mm I look incredibly different, here are a few pics:
https://imgur.com/a/oZm99
I would really need to know who I should see in Europe for this and what should I ask for to get the best possible result?
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Hello, I'm a young guy who is looking into getting bimax in the next few years. I have a perfect bite and my main problems are my messed up chin and massive gummy smile, both of which I'm looking to fix with the surgery.
When I jut my jaw around 7mm I look incredibly different, here are a few pics:
https://imgur.com/a/oZm99
I would really need to know who I should see in Europe for this and what should I ask for to get the best possible result?
Jutting out your jaw doesn't do much for you at all. It makes your upper jaw area look recessive but your upper jaw area looks fine with no jaw jut out. You would probably do well with just a sliding genio to the chin and some botox to reduce your gummy smile.
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Jutting out your jaw doesn't do much for you at all. It makes your upper jaw area look recessive but your upper jaw area looks fine with no jaw jut out. You would probably do well with just a sliding genio to the chin and some botox to reduce your gummy smile.
Well thanks for the advice, but what exactly would sliding genio improve in my case? My whole lower jaw is clearly very recessed compared to the upper jaw. I can't imagine how moving just the chin forwards would do any good, I think it would look stupid. Also I don't want to get involved with botox or anything, I just want this one procedure that fixes everything and then forget about it. I know that bimax is very invasive and expensive, but it's not a problem. I don't think anything else would improve my case as drastically as it would.
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Jutting out your jaw doesn't do much for you at all. It makes your upper jaw area look recessive but your upper jaw area looks fine with no jaw jut out. You would probably do well with just a sliding genio to the chin and some botox to reduce your gummy smile.
Also, I don't understand how you can say that jutting doesn't do much for me. I look like a completely different person. Yes my upper jaw looks recessive when I do it, but it could ofcourse be fixed by advancing both jaws. Having a recessed lower jaw is way worse than having a recessed maxilla, it completely destroys any face.
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Well thanks for the advice, but what exactly would sliding genio improve in my case? My whole lower jaw is clearly very recessed compared to the upper jaw. I can't imagine how moving just the chin forwards would do any good, I think it would look stupid. Also I don't want to get involved with botox or anything, I just want this one procedure that fixes everything and then forget about it. I know that bimax is very invasive and expensive, but it's not a problem. I don't think anything else would improve my case as drastically as it would.
It would advance out your chin and improve the contour of it. Your lower jaw does not look recessive to me and your jutting it out looks like a 'frog bite' when you do that. IF you did get bi max, they would probably want to give you a sliding genio to improve the chin contour. For a closer look, a CEPH would be needed.
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Also, I don't understand how you can say that jutting doesn't do much for me. I look like a completely different person. Yes my upper jaw looks recessive when I do it, but it could ofcourse be fixed by advancing both jaws. Having a recessed lower jaw is way worse than having a recessed maxilla, it completely destroys any face.
It flattens out the curve between the lower lip and chin too much.
If you are looking for feedback, I've given you mine. Sorry, I can't validate your own assessment. But feedback does not preclude you from doing what you like to your face.
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It flattens out the curve between the lower lip and chin too much.
If you are looking for feedback, I've given you mine. Sorry, I can't validate your own assessment. But feedback does not preclude you from doing what you like to your face.
Okay thank you, I really appreciate it. I find it hard to imagine what I would look like with a "regular" more advanced chin with a bigger submental fold. I really do like the "flat" look of it. I know that chins like this are pretty rare but perhaps I'm a bit biased because one of my model tier friends has exactly the same chin structure and I do belive that it's a positive feature.
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Okay thank you, I really appreciate it. I find it hard to imagine what I would look like with a "regular" more advanced chin with a bigger submental fold. I really do like the "flat" look of it. I know that chins like this are pretty rare but perhaps I'm a bit biased because one of my model tier friends has exactly the same chin structure and I do belive that it's a positive feature.
If you get a CEPH from the max fax, they can make a profile contour diagram of the proposed changes.
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If you get a CEPH from the max fax, they can make a profile contour diagram of the proposed changes.
I will definitely get that, thanks.
Can you suggest who I should see in Europe for this or how should I go about finding the right surgeon?
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I think you just need to ask around for suggestions from others who have had it in Europe and/or just keep reading the board for mentions of doctors.
A few names of max fax docs in Europe mentioned on this board are; Alfaro, Spain, DeFranc, France, VanderDussen, Belgium. These are not definite suggestions or recommendations but just names you can ask about on here that others might have some feedback/experience with. There are definitely more than that though.
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you look f**king terrible with your jaw jutting. sort of like a retarded person. at best get a conservative genioplasty. also, you may actually be retarded seeking this intervention.
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Hello, I'm a young guy who is looking into getting bimax in the next few years. I have a perfect bite and my main problems are my messed up chin and massive gummy smile, both of which I'm looking to fix with the surgery.
When I jut my jaw around 7mm I look incredibly different, here are a few pics:
https://imgur.com/a/oZm99
I would really need to know who I should see in Europe for this and what should I ask for to get the best possible result?
If you want that look all you need is a chin implant or genioplasty. If your bite is perfect and your facial development is normal you don't need anything else.
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you look f**king terrible with your jaw jutting. sort of like a retarded person. at best get a conservative genioplasty. also, you may actually be retarded seeking this intervention.
Well I think that I look 10x better and that's all that matters. Also the biggest improvement I get with jutting is actually the front, not the profile. Anyways the result that I'm looking for is only achieveable with bimax, so as far as I can see that's a clear solution.
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I think you just need to ask around for suggestions from others who have had it in Europe and/or just keep reading the board for mentions of doctors.
A few names of max fax docs in Europe mentioned on this board are; Alfaro, Spain, DeFranc, France, VanderDussen, Belgium. These are not definite suggestions or recommendations but just names you can ask about on here that others might have some feedback/experience with. There are definitely more than that though.
Thanks, I will look into that.
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Also, I don't understand how you can say that jutting doesn't do much for me. I look like a completely different person. Yes my upper jaw looks recessive when I do it, but it could ofcourse be fixed by advancing both jaws. Having a recessed lower jaw is way worse than having a recessed maxilla, it completely destroys any face.
I disagree with this. A recessed maxilla affects the front of the face far more than a recessed jaw does. The front of the face is more important than the profile (since it's what people see the most)
The jutting just makes you look weird from the profile. Almost deranged. Yes bimax could improve you but is it worth the risk? it's expensive, time consuming and can leave you with life long issues. I think you should follow the advice posted so far in this thread. Do you have any cephalograms? those could be useful for more input.
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Pretty sure a bimax aesthetic outcome can't be judged by jutting out the jaw, IIRC. Regardless, IMO, the recession is mild enough he can get 90% of the bimax result with either a chin implant or SG that stays in angle with the jawline (fwd+down) to minimize additional labiomental fold sharpness.
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I disagree with this. A recessed maxilla affects the front of the face far more than a recessed jaw does. The front of the face is more important than the profile (since it's what people see the most)
The jutting just makes you look weird from the profile. Almost deranged. Yes bimax could improve you but is it worth the risk? it's expensive, time consuming and can leave you with life long issues. I think you should follow the advice posted so far in this thread. Do you have any cephalograms? those could be useful for more input.
I don't have any cephalograms yet. I've thought about all that ofcourse and its definitely worth it for me, bimax seems like the only way to achieve the results that I'm looking for. I know my profile looks weird when I jut, but it would look completely normal if both jaws were moved forwards and I wasn't just forcing the jut. I don't jut on a daily basis, I just added that picture because I really like how my lower jaw looks when I do that and I wan't it to look similiar to that.
Here's another picture taken more far away:
https://imgur.com/a/b6NAp
Ofcourse my maxilla still looks recessed, but don't you think that if it was moved forwards around 5mm, I would look completely normal? The lower jaw would probably need around 10mm to achieve a similiar result.
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Pretty sure a bimax aesthetic outcome can't be judged by jutting out the jaw, IIRC. Regardless, IMO, the recession is mild enough he can get 90% of the bimax result with either a chin implant or SG that stays in angle with the jawline (fwd+down) to minimize additional labiomental fold sharpness.
I appreciate the advice, but one of the main reasons I belive that bimax would be the best for me is because it would massively improve my smile. My jaw looks very weird when I smile(like its squashed or something) and my gummy smile is like 7mm. When I jut my jaw when smiling it looks retarded ofcourse, but it completely fixes the weird look of it.I think that the whole lower jaw needs to be advanced to improve my smile. Also a chin implant or sg will barely affect my front look and that's something that will massively improve with bimax.
If we forget about the costs, risk etc, you would probably agree that bimax will get the best result and make the biggest difference right?
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You basically look like a young Gary Busey with your chin sticking out like that.
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Just lol at being an average white guy with no abnormal jaw development whatsoever and wanting to subject yourself to bsso and lf1.
Good luck with that.
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I love how you always have a famous person to compare Lazlo. OP I believe you look good as you are, but obviously it is your decision. Can you show a pic of your gummy smile? You are aware that you will look very different with those movements, right? People will not recognize you, and it might go wrong and you not liking the outcome... Have you thought about those?
yeah that's so we all have a point of reference. you do realize if i compared his result to a non-famous person in my personal life he (nor you) would have ANY f**kING IDEA WHOM THE f**k IM REFERRING TO.
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I love how you always have a famous person to compare Lazlo. OP I believe you look good as you are, but obviously it is your decision. Can you show a pic of your gummy smile? You are aware that you will look very different with those movements, right? People will not recognize you, and it might go wrong and you not liking the outcome... Have you thought about those?
I appreciate the concern, and yes i've put alot of thought into this. It will definitely be a very interesting experience to "change my face". The fact is that if I don't go for it I'm gonna spend years thinking what could have been if I did and that's way worse than any outcome. I can't add any new pics for the next few days.
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secondtimearound, a lot of people get lefort 1 for gummy smile having proper jaws and bite, don't they?
If they have too long a maxilla to any significant extent it will show on the ceph analysis as abnormal.
Cephalometric analysis = God to me, or the closest we have to it.
We know scientific averages of features are more beautiful and cephs are based on averages. Cephs will look at the maxillary length, mandibular length, etc and give it to you all in objective data.
If your scores all come back normal or within a minimal tolerance yet you're still considering jaw surgery you're likely mentally ill. Only exception is perhaps facial asymmetry as that won't show in standard lateral assessment.
Or perhaps sleep apnea patients though I bet almost all of them have low sna and snb angles (recessed).
Cephx.com is great in my opinion.
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Have you got shares at chephx.com?
I should buy some. Are you aware of any other cheap good option for self-performing ceph analysis?
If cephx.com had been around 14 years ago during my first surgery I might have done some pre-analysis myself and not ended up f**ked like I am now getting massive revision work.
It can't be overstated how lucky patients are nowadays to have all these tools at such easy disposal.
I am going to be buying a Dolphin 3D license as well before my next surgery regardless of the cost so I can simulate my surgery from CTs as well.
My prior experience has taught me having a "famously good" surgeon is not enough. You need to know exactly what is going on and double check everything as well. I'm sure some people just "get lucky". But I didn't.
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Update: I've scheduled a few consultations for the upcoming month, hopefully goes well.
Also, here are way better pics for anyone who thinks I don't need jaw surgery:
https://imgur.com/HNbI3QY
https://imgur.com/17bRuOZ