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Aesthetics / Re: bimax with or without implant?
« Last post by GJ on April 07, 2025, 06:59:33 AM »
The "implate" ramieri mentions in your case is not an implant in a classical sense as in putting an actual foreign body on top of the mandible but rather a technique that pushes the bone out and for this he needs custom plates. How the technique exactly works is unknown to me but we did discuss some theories before in this forum.

It seems like the risk of that would be lack of precision and therefore a higher risk of asymmetry? The only way I can think to do that is splitting the mandible along the length and/or width, and that is not going to be very accurate.

I'm sure on his site we'd only see the best results, but I'd be curious to see how many times it succeeds vs fails.
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Aesthetics / Re: bimax with or without implant?
« Last post by Tomasjohn on April 07, 2025, 02:38:54 AM »
The "implate" ramieri mentions in your case is not an implant in a classical sense as in putting an actual foreign body on top of the mandible but rather a technique that pushes the bone out and for this he needs custom plates. How the technique exactly works is unknown to me but we did discuss some theories before in this forum.

Ramieri also does "normal" implants, but prefers his "implate" technique I think.

It offsets the risks of implants more or less completely because it's not an actual implant. Of course, plates and screws can also become infected but this is a general risk of surgery.

 :) ;) :D :o 8)
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Surgeon Reviews and Leads / Re: I need Advice - Complicated Case
« Last post by kavan on April 06, 2025, 07:50:08 PM »
OK, first things first. So, I'm only going to focus on ONE THING. When you say you have a 'hole in your face' (along with??) a wound that won't heal are you saying that in the PRESENT TIME you have an OPEN NON-HEALING wound on/in your face and it has been like that since 2021?

If that is the case, than you need to go to a WOUND HEALING center or said department of a HOSPITAL where they debride (clean out the wound) and quite possibly put you in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber.

No one is going to do surgery on you with an open non healing wound on your face--not the kind you are asking about in the part of your post below the mention of an open non healing wound--so focus on getting the wound healed first.
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Surgeon Reviews and Leads / I need Advice - Complicated Case
« Last post by SavingFace on April 06, 2025, 02:25:59 PM »
So, it has been several years since I posted on here. I ended up going for custom implants with Dr Yaremchuck in Boston. That turned out to be one of the biggest mistakes I ever made. The implants were not very aesthetically pleasing, given I needed jaw advancement. But even worse than that, he did the custom orbital rim and malar implant, and they didn't fit together well, which left it deep trough under my eye. I went for a correction of this in late 2021, and I could go into detail as to how he botched it, but botch it he did. Right now I have a hole in my face, because he switched horses in the middle of the stream and did an unauthorized procedure during the surgery that infected the previous implants he had placed, and the wound won't heal. I've spent the last several years trying to figure out how to undo that without removing the implants and going through more surgeries. I'm at a loss. The implants are going to have to come out.  I probably should have had them out a couple years ago. But I wanted it to be the last resort.

Anyway, now I'm a candidate for jaw surgery, and that's something also I should have done years ago. But no surgeon is going to do the jaw surgery until the infection is fixed with the implants. So I'd like to find a surgeon who has some pretty deep qualifications, can address both issues hopefully. I'd like to if possible coordinate the removal of the implants with the jaw surgery, so I don't have to go under the knife twice, and so I don't have to remove just one side of my implants that are infected and leave my face hollow one one side for months until they replace implants.

Who are some outstanding jaw surgeons who may also have experience with implants? In particular, I'm thinking I might want to replace the implants and do a high cut LeFort I. This is what Dr. Schendel recommended for me before he retired.. I have mid-face hypoplasia, which is the reason I placed the implants in the first place.

So I'm looking for surgeons who 1. Are qualified to do a high cut LeFort I, 2. Have experience with implants, 3. Aren't afraid of bigger movements if needed, and 4. Have a good eye to aesthetics.

I have Aetna for my insurance. A lot of doctors accept that, but I don't know where to begin. I suspect some of the best surgeons may not be the ones that get the most hype or do the most advertising. I suspect with my symptoms it may need to be a craniofacial surgeon, who can do the high cut, but a maxillofacial surgeon is fine as long as they can feel comfortable performing that procedure.

Anyone have any advice or no any surgeons who I might look at? Thank you.
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Aesthetics / Re: bimax with or without implant?
« Last post by GJ on March 30, 2025, 12:43:07 PM »
I really appreciate your reply. I think I will go with Ramieri then for the implant, this is what I was learning towards. No, nobody mentioned to me about curve of spee.

Good luck.

Note: don't blame me if it doesn't go as planned. It's just the risk I'd personally take, knowing it probably does increase infection probabilities, etc. My view is cutting twice, anesthesia twice, and creating more scar tissue also has risks.

I don't know these surgeons reputations, either. I'd probably go with the better surgeon for my primary surgery if one of the two has a much better reputation.
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Aesthetics / Re: bimax with or without implant?
« Last post by Sequelae on March 30, 2025, 08:38:10 AM »
I really appreciate your reply. I think I will go with Ramieri then for the implant, this is what I was learning towards. No, nobody mentioned to me about curve of spee.
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Aesthetics / Re: bimax with or without implant?
« Last post by GJ on March 30, 2025, 08:28:45 AM »
I think that's probably true that an implant at the same time would increase infection risk (extra openings), but I would think with proper post-care routine it can be minimized. You'd have to keep it clean in there, which can be difficult after surgery, so a lot would be on you to do that. I'd personally take the risk and do both at the same time and have the mindset I'd keep it clean at all costs. They give heavy duty RX mouthwash etc to help with this as well, and if they don't, you should ask for it and anything else that can help keep it clean.

Your curve of spee on the left side seems drastically different than the right. This is probably your body compromising for different ramus sizes/asymmetry. It should probably be addressed via ortho prior to surgery? Has anyone recommended that?
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Aesthetics / Re: bimax with or without implant?
« Last post by Sequelae on March 29, 2025, 11:42:45 AM »
Does it work now? If not I will try another method, I would be very grateful for any help
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Aesthetics / Re: bimax with or without implant?
« Last post by GJ on March 28, 2025, 06:29:10 AM »
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Aesthetics / bimax with or without implant?
« Last post by Sequelae on March 25, 2025, 07:08:49 AM »
My main concern is asymmetry. I have posted here before, I've now consulted with two surgeons, Dr. Ramieri and Dr. Pagnoni. Ramieri suggested an implant alongside jaw surgery. While Pagnoni suggested just jaw surgery. He said that an implant at the same time as jaw surgery often doesn't work very well and comes with a higher infection risk. Ramieri has a technique involving an implant acting as a plate, which he calls Implate. I'm not sure to what degree this technique can offset the potential issues with a simultaneous osteotomy and implant.

Which approach do you think is best for me? Unfortunately, if I forgo the implant at this stage, I don't think that I would be able to afford to have an implant later down the line as having an implant and jaw surgery at the same time surgery is obviously cheaper. I'd really appreciate any advice.


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