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tie

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Will a surgeon treat someone with straight teeth ?
« on: September 24, 2019, 01:53:23 PM »
Hi all
If my teeth are straight.. if youll look in my mouth my teeth touches ok... i was at a few orthodentist in the past that said i dont need at an ortho.
So - unlike many others with crossbite or crocked teeth etc.. my problem is the extral part.. the jaw line. Will a surgeon would be willing even to look at me if teeth are stright ? Or will he say - if your function is good - dont touch the face.
Even tought my teeth are OK (even thogh i miss some teeth).. externally i do have a problem. I have shared on other post the change in my jaw that causes me TREMENDEOUS depression.
And are ALL jaw surgeries requires braces or are there cases they dont ? I feel putting braces for me before a surgery - is actually ruining my perfectly ok teeth. Or maybe you have to ruin these cause the surgery will bring those back. Fraustrating

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Re: Will a surgeon treat someone with straight teeth ?
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2019, 01:55:32 PM »
There's a chance you won't need orthodontics to prepare for the surgery. Either way you will need a double jaw surgery if your bite is fine like you said.

You should go to a surgeon that specialises in aesthetics (and that also is a maxillofacial surgeon). You're not the only one getting this surgery for the aesthetic benefit.

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Re: Will a surgeon treat someone with straight teeth ?
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2019, 02:50:50 PM »
Thanks !!
So braces wont be needed before if teeth are aligned.. and would be needed after ? And thanks !!!

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Re: Will a surgeon treat someone with straight teeth ?
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2019, 12:10:30 AM »
Thanks !!
So braces wont be needed before if teeth are aligned.. and would be needed after ? And thanks !!!

No no, this is not what was said. Straight teeth can still be in a compensated state and needed to be decompensated before surgery. Chances that the bite is right with straight teeth is better though, because crooked teeth normaly has become that way because of a bad bite. But yes, you can consult directly with a surgeon and if he's serious he'll tell you if you can have surgery without orthodontics or not. Some surgeons never do surgery without braces, even if the teeth don't need adjustments, because they use the braces to fixate the jaws after surgery during the healing. The surgeons that use more modern approach can do it without braces if no adjustments are needed.

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Re: Will a surgeon treat someone with straight teeth ?
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2019, 09:00:21 PM »
No no, this is not what was said. Straight teeth can still be in a compensated state and needed to be decompensated before surgery. Chances that the bite is right with straight teeth is better though, because crooked teeth normaly has become that way because of a bad bite. But yes, you can consult directly with a surgeon and if he's serious he'll tell you if you can have surgery without orthodontics or not. Some surgeons never do surgery without braces, even if the teeth don't need adjustments, because they use the braces to fixate the jaws after surgery during the healing. The surgeons that use more modern approach can do it without braces if no adjustments are needed.

what does decomponsated/compensated mean? I had surgery, plus ortho and all that s**t,  does this mean i have to have a bunch of ortho before a revision surgery? what is decompensation?

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Re: Will a surgeon treat someone with straight teeth ?
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2019, 08:29:37 AM »
what does decomponsated/compensated mean? I had surgery, plus ortho and all that s**t,  does this mean i have to have a bunch of ortho before a revision surgery? what is decompensation?


A bite is like a house of cards. You have continous forces from a lot of directions that together hold the teeth in a stable position. There are a lot of definitions on how things "should" be. But the most common is that you want perfect oclussion all around. Starting from the molars you want contact all the way around to the other side. Anteriorly the incisors should meet and have contact so the lower incisors meet the inside of the upper incisors at an angle. You want a molar class I relation, which you fairly easy can google an image for to see what it means. There are some other definisions like IMPA angle, U1/NA angle etc.

So what is a compensated bite. As an example, if you take a "perfect" bite, and imaginge moving the mandible backward, then you disturb this balance and the lower incisors won't meet the upper at an angle any more. So the continious force being applied anteriorly when you bite and chew is lost. This can cause the upper teeth to compensate by tilting inwards, DIV II, trying to make up for the jaw imbalance. Maybe they manage to compensate as much so they get oclussion with the lower incisors, or maybe the overjet is too much. That is a compensation that can occur. In the same situation the lower incisors don't have any continous force stopping them from over extruding, and a deep bite can be developed, also a compensation. Also the molars grow in a state to fit with the current setup. Basically, the alovear bone and teeth are designed to fit and meet in a specific way, and they will try to evolve to that state as good as they can. The alevor bone is plastic and allow the teeth to move to some degree, which is also why orthodontics work.

Some compensated states are obvious like above. Sometimes orthodontists have done camouflage treatments on a class II bite where they set the teeth straight in the situation above, but the problem is not really fixed. Or it can also be naturally camouflaged so a patient thinks it's all straight and good, but the teeth are pushed and in a stressfull position that can evolve to different problems. Having consulted for orthodontics and being told they don't want to do braces, is not the same as going in for a jaw surgery and assume that also don't need braces. The bite is maybe in a stable position, but if you're going for a surgery, it may require certain movements any way.

In short, a compensation is when the teeth adjust and try to make up for for something else being out of balance. It can be the jaws, or it can also be bad habits, like thumb sucking that can create an open bite if it's done in early age or tongue thrusting. And decompensation mean to undo all these movements that the teeth have evolved to, before doing the corrective jaw surgery that will set the jaw position where the decompensated bite will fit and be stable.

Do you need braces again? Well. If you're going in for a revision something didn't work out as planned. Maybe the new plan will tell that your teeth are fine with the previous preparation, or the failed surgery depends on bad orthodontic preparation. I have no idea on your case and the reason you need revision, an expert have to tell you.

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Re: Will a surgeon treat someone with straight teeth ?
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2019, 02:29:53 PM »
Thank you for this answer.
Its all so complicated.
If my teeth are now quite straight.. but still face looks crocked andlower jaw backwards.. so the surgeon needs to figure a way to remove all teeth so jaw will become prettier but that teeth and bite wont get effected  and to perdict the future movement of the forces of tge teeth so the situation wont get worse again after a while. Such a headache

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Re: Will a surgeon treat someone with straight teeth ?
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2019, 03:20:39 PM »
OP,
Why are you asking THAT question instead of:

'Will a surgeon treat someone who's missing 4 molars and has BONE LOSS to the areas where the teeth are missing?'

You are giving the people who answer it the IMPRESSION that you're not missing many teeth, you don't have bone loss due to that and you're question relates to maxfax surgery.

Your X rays:

https://imgur.com/a/hYfMDxx

Missing teeth:
Left lower 2nd molar
Left upper 2nd molar
Right upper 1rst molar
Right upper 2nd molar

You have BONE LOSS where the teeth (molars) are missing and subsequent loss of soft tissue support due to the bone loss.

They would probably suggest bone grafts with tooth implants.

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