How bad is an "ante-face"?

[tyler18]

If I get a sliding genioplasty, I will be left with an ape-like lower face because my upper jaw is overly prominent.

Are there many beautiful people with ante-faces? I have looked, and they are far and few between. This is making me reconsider my options.

[Modigliani]

Most beautiful people have an ante face but not all people with an ante face are beautiful, if that makes sense? It  depends on your facial proportions and the rest of the features.

[Modigliani]

If you've naturally got a degree of protrusion then a genio will more than likely provide a nice balance rather than look freaky.

[pekay]

Surgically enhanced ante-faces are very bizarre looking, especially when you compare it to a naturally looking result.

[Modigliani]

I actually prefer the first one in this instance 

The second girl with the more natural result is really bland and instantly forgettable.

[PloskoPlus]

Definitely prefer the first one.  Although her gonial implant is too sharp.

[PloskoPlus]

BTW, there was a MM study (I know everyone loves this guy), where it was shown that slight ante faces are preferred on women, stronger ones on men.

[pekay]

The first one is a Sailer result and it looks comically bad, she doesn't even look human in the after.

The Richard Joseph result (red-headed girl) is tastefully done IMO.

[PloskoPlus]

Sigh, no love for the ante face around here.  I'm pre op and have one!  The maxillary advancement will make it even stronger!

[nrelax11]

Her gonial angle in the Sailer patient just looks too fake. It kind of freaks me out lol

[nrelax11]

Oh yea, it does look fake. Like I've read on here multiple times, you cant have this surgery to look like someone else. Just enhance your own looks, which is all im going for.

[PloskoPlus]

^too harsh. lol.

How much advancement are you going to have?


I used to have ante face before my bicuspids were removed and I want it back!

6 mm forward, 1 mm down

[PloskoPlus]

Thanks for answering. Do you need any bone implants for the 1mm down movement?

Forgot to ask. This is all very preliminary.  Final planning in September.  I'm a class iii btw.  Also, the cut can be made at a down ward angle rather than horizontally.  No need for a bone graft then.

[notrain]

Are you insane?

The first girl looks extremely good in the after.

Better than the second girl, for sure. Yes the gonial implants are fake looking IF you have done research on those topics. Normal people wouldn't notice at all. It looks strong and good.

And I'm not a Sailer fan usually.

I think Sailer gets critized too harshly. His patients are usually older adults, so it's not like he is disfiguring kids who cannot make informed decisions. Sailer's patients go to him, because they share his vision of beauty and want to radically change their appearance - and that is exactly what he does for them.

Personally, I think his blanket approach (slap a hyper ante face on everyone) to beauty is wrong, but he does have some good results. And no one of his patients can complain about looking underdone, so if you decide on having surgery with him, at least you can be sure to have a vastly altered appearance afterwards.

The woman in the before and after does look better after her surgery with him.

[Cmonster]

Can someone please explain what an ante-face is and what qualifies one as having an ante-face?