I hate my face but don't know how to fix it.

[Cobolt2]

First time posting here but I have searched the internet for years about methods of making my face look better. I hate my profile, both my nose and my chin/jaw. My problem is that I cannot determine the reason I look like this.

One period I was sure that my chin was the problem.
One period I thought my chin was fine, it's my jaw that need to be lengthened.
Another period I thought that my nose and jaw problem shared the same reason (that both maxilla and mandible were retruded)

At this time I have almost decided to do a nosejob, but recently I heard about the method NCR (neuro cranial restructuring) where they insert a balloon inside your nose and pump it with air. Doing this with caution will rebalance this small bone and other bones will follow.

I have also read a lot about Functional orthodontics, which supposedly can move both your maxilla and mandible forward without surgery.

I'm confused and I don't know what to do. I have never been on a consultation.

I hate my nose (angle is to big + upturned nose which is not manly at all) I hate the shape of my head, I hate my posture (neck) I may have a kyphosis, I will have an X-ray taken soon. I hate my sloping forehead.

Basically, I don't have any of the facial shapes that are attractive.






I feel that I have to much soft tissue for my bones (in other words lack of bone). If I don't actively try to show my teeth when I smile then no teeth will be shown, my lips will cover them.
I have the opposite problem of those who can't close their lips over their teeth.


I also wonder if it's normal that my eyeball is farther out than my cheekbone. When I move a straight object to my face it hits my eyeball before it hits my cheekbone and it even starts to hurt a bit before it stops on my cheekbone.


I also don't know how to position my head. When I noticed that my chin looked weaker when I had my head down, I started to tilt my head up. Then I noticed that my nose had an awkward angle and looked worse
when I had my head up, I started to lower my head, making my chin look a lot weaker again. That is not the case with people who have normal mandibles, it doesn't look smaller just because they tilt their head down.





I have trouble talking, I slur a lot if I'm not actively trying to be articulate, I also get tired from talking a lot.





Plastic surgery (chin implant, genioplasty) is cheaper but does not fix the main problem.



Looking the way I do, the neck, the back of my head being a lot farther out then my neck, my sloping forehead and my nose that are rotated up makes it hard for me to diagnose what the proper way to fix my chin is.
Like I said I will probably do a nosejob first. The only reason why I hesitate about the nosejob is if the nose shape will change if I did jaw surgery later on.



You guys have trained eyes on this subject, I'm begging you to help me.


Attached files info

1. Picture of my relaxed state, horrible posture and weak face.
2. Good posture but weak chin with that groove in my chin.
3. Same as above.
4. In the left pic I have my normal bite and in the right I have moved my mandible forward with an underbite and moved my skin back with a smile to show you the contours.
5. Me blowing out showing how far out my lips go compared to the chin.



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[Tiny]

Your lower jaw is somewhat recessed.  Do you have an overbite/overjet?  If so, how much?  Have you had any orthodontics?

If you got jaw surgery you might be able to get away with just lower - a BSSO.  Depending on many things.  Do you have a deep bite ie. do your upper incisors cover most or all of the lower when you bite down?  Your lips don't really look everted so I am guessing your bite isn't that deep

I think your nose looks great.  People pay a lot of money to get a nose that looks a lot worse!  If you walked around with that nose where I originally come from people would stop and ask you who your surgeon was

A genioplasty would not give you a good result IMO

[sean89]

Actually, I can sort of see where CCG is coming from. Your nose only looks bad because your jaws are pretty far back.

[Tiny]

You're not gonna get a good looking girlfriend as it stands, but you are very much capable of getting a girlfriend. It depends how much money you have really. If you've not got the money to undergo cosmetic surgery, you should go for a chubbier girl with good features and good skin, and then take her to the gym all the time.

What the f*ck am I reading?!
Firstly, this is a jaw surgery forum not some pick up artist forum thingie.  He didn't even mention getting a gf.  Maybe he has one already?  Maybe he doesn't want one?  Who gets jaw surgery so they can 'get a girlfriend?'
Secondly, a guy does not have to look amazing or 'alpha' or whatever bollocks you guys call it to get a good-looking girlfriend.  Seriously....
Thirdly a "chubbier girl and take her to the gym" OMFG I CAN'T EVEN kjs'fdgosth'kbrdhlkh;sdnfgaa 

Anyway OP, I don't think you should get a rhino, can't see any issue with your nose from the side.  I also do not think a genio will give you the result you want - my bone structure is not so different to yours (deeper bite, but I'd say a similar level of recession) and I got an implant that gave me a similar result to a chin-wing genio.  Still going through with jaw surgery - for bite and for gum healthy but for aesthetics as well.


The crucial thing, which you haven't mentioned, is your bite.

[Cobolt2]

Your lower jaw is somewhat recessed.  Do you have an overbite/overjet?  If so, how much?  Have you had any orthodontics?

If you got jaw surgery you might be able to get away with just lower - a BSSO.  Depending on many things.  Do you have a deep bite ie. do your upper incisors cover most or all of the lower when you bite down?  Your lips don't really look everted so I am guessing your bite isn't that deep

I have both ovebite and overjet. Overjet is prob around 3mm. Check pic nr 1 for overbite (excuse the unflattering pic)
Based on your description I guess I have a deep bite, I really don't know the difference between overbite and deep bite. Have I had any orthodontics. Well, I remember I had a retainer that I had in my palate for maybe 1 year when I was 9-10 years old. I have been to my dentist and told them that am VERY unhappy, I also went to an orthodontic and within 10 minutes it was done. I told her how bad I felt but she said that they wouldn't do anything about it for free.
My dentist recently sent a referral to a bite specialist but I don't know if I can afford that because I don't have a job.

I think your nose looks great.  People pay a lot of money to get a nose that looks a lot worse!  If you walked around with that nose where I originally come from people would stop and ask you who your surgeon was

A genioplasty would not give you a good result IMO

Look at pic 2 and 3 for a better look at my nose, It's completely f**ked up.



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[Lazlo]

dude you look fine. man, this board is starting to attract some f**ked up people.

[sean89]

What the f*ck am I reading?!
Firstly, this is a jaw surgery forum not some pick up artist forum thingie.  He didn't even mention getting a gf.  Maybe he has one already?  Maybe he doesn't want one?  Who gets jaw surgery so they can 'get a girlfriend?'
Secondly, a guy does not have to look amazing or 'alpha' or whatever bollocks you guys call it to get a good-looking girlfriend.  Seriously....
Thirdly a "chubbier girl and take her to the gym" OMFG I CAN'T EVEN kjs'fdgosth'kbrdhlkh;sdnfgaa 

Anyway OP, I don't think you should get a rhino, can't see any issue with your nose from the side.  I also do not think a genio will give you the result you want - my bone structure is not so different to yours (deeper bite, but I'd say a similar level of recession) and I got an implant that gave me a similar result to a chin-wing genio.  Still going through with jaw surgery - for bite and for gum healthy but for aesthetics as well.


The crucial thing, which you haven't mentioned, is your bite.

Who gets jaw surgery so they can 'get a girlfriend?

I don't think you can deny that a person goes through cosmetic surgery to look better to another person. Looking good isn't good for the sake of being good. It's to get more attention from another person. I could have worded it differently, but to be honest, I think you're in self-denial if you think that he (or I, or anyone else who gets jaw surgery for cosmetic reasons) isn't interested in attracting a girlfriend/boyfriend, or wants to look better for an existing partner. In that sense, I don't think a jaw surgery forum is in any way notionally different from any other pick-up/cosmetic forum (obviously the comparison stops for the people (possibly the majority on here) who have functional issues).

Maybe I could have been much more gentle with my advice, but if you come on here saying pretty much that 'I think I'm ugly', even when he's far from being ugly, then he obviously has high expectations as to who he wants to attract. And if you ever want to meet those expectations, you are going to want people to be honest with you. Maybe it's a gender thing, but I think a man would much rather get honest opinions off people than for people to say, 'oh, you look fine, all you need is a haircut'.

As for the 'chubbie' thing, it was partly a joke (in bad taste) but I still think it's theoretically sound advice if your only interest is the way another person looks (which a lot of people are, men especially), but I do apologise for that, because I can see how you might find it offensive. 

For what it's worth, I do think looks are important (especially in establishing a relationship) but I'd much rather go out with an average looking, intelligent girl than a beautiful idiot. I think it's a person's personality that keeps a relationship going, but not many people have that view when they're in their twenties (as I assume the OP is), and so everyone ends up playing the same game.

Anyway, sorry if I've caused you offence but I honestly think that if I had the courage to post my pictures on here, I would want to be told exactly how I could improve my appearance.

[Cobolt2]

I don't have high expectations at all, all I want is that my chin is vertical with my lips and in the best of cases don't have that big groove in it. A smile wouldn't hurt either.

I brought up my neck and forehead too but I did that because they make my nose and chin problems even worse.

Btw, my horizontal part of my mandible is 4 inches. Is that as short as I think it is. I used a measuring tape and think it was pretty accurate. Either it's 4 inches or a little bit shorter.


Another question, if I do a nosejob (it's not as major as you think, look at pic nr 1 in attachments) is it possible that there could be problem if I decide to do jaw surgery later? Probably if the maxilla is touched right?


I just want to look like I would have looked if my bones grew like they should. I didn't drink breat milk when I was a baby and I didn't grow as I was supposed to in my preteens and I was super skinny with a bmi of like 17 most of my teenage years.


Pic nr 2, Look how close my ear is to my chin...

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[PloskoPlus]

I'd be careful with free orthodontic maxillofacial treatment in Sweden, if I were you.  The remark I read some years ago "yes, health care is free, they won't let you die if you have something common, but it can be troublesome to get uncommon things treated" rings true.

[Snackan1986]

You would probably look slightly better with a good planned jaw surgery however not worth the risk becuase you don?t seem to have functional problems and you look like an average looking man.

I?m from Sweden as well. To be able to get jaw surgery paid the bite must be off quite a lot and have functional probelems. Ask your dentist next time you have an appointment about your bite and if you have bite issues ask if they could send you to a surgeon. However I don?t think they would approve surgery anyway and as I said, not worth the risks for you.

[volumee]

Your overbite doesn't look bad. Looks normal to me. I think you just have a recessed jaw so maybe a genioplasty would do.
Don't do anything to your nose. I honestly I don't know what you are seeing. But none of us see what you are seeing. You have a nice nose. Your recessed jaw is giving you the illusion that your nose is ugly, but it's not.

[Cobolt2]

It would be so much easier if my bite was good but I don't think it is.

1. Teeth crowding, both up and down.
2. Deep bite (but not hurting my gum) Look at the first attached pic, where the arrow is pointing is where my upper incisors are. It's hard for me to actually believe it when I see it but that's where my  upper incisors are. Isn't that crazy? Second Pic, see my lower lip cover a bit of the upper incisors.
3. Do I have a recessed maxilla? I don't know what the signs are but like I said earlier in the thread, is it normal that your eyeball sticks out farther (not much) than the bone under your eye?

My dentist asked me if I grind my teeth in my sleep, I said no. The thing is, I never have a 100% bite when I'm awake nor if I'm asleep, that is not my relaxed position. It always looses up a couple of mm whether I'm awake or sleep. This is obviously saying something, the lower jaw isn't supposed to be there.


Also. If I open my mouth as wide as I can and then close it really really slow, there is  a "change o tracks" as I call it. It's not sudden but it's there. No noise or crack but the mandible must change tracks to close. Of course the same thing happens when I open the mouth. Is this normal?


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[Gregor Samsa]

I think you look fine to be honest. I very much doubt that anyone who doesn't have a trained eye is going to notice anything wrong with your profile.

[applejuice]

Looks like a typical class 2 profile. An untrained eye cant pinpoint what's wrong but still wont consider this an attractive face.

[overbiter]

Looks like a typical class 2 profile. An untrained eye cant pinpoint what's wrong but still wont consider this an attractive face.

Harsh. I actually have a lot of the same problems as you menapilo, except that my face looks worse. It's hard when people make out that someone has severe facial discrepancies but I know that I'm worse than that. Maybe I'm the worst case in the world.