I had modified lefort iii

[PloskoPlus]

yes bovine bone. my options were hip bone,cadaver or bovine.


LAZLO-  honesly no one has noticed a difference but I wear glasses and have a small face so my face is mostly covered. I would say I look different, again just an improved version of myself

Why not hip bone?

[treevernal]

I am incredibly surprised that you didnt have to be admitted to a hospital for this procedure and that you were back to yourself after a few days (despite crazy swelling).  That's insane.  Im incredibly happy for you that this all worked out well it just seems like for such a major surgery there would have been so much more involved??

[Lazlo]

I am incredibly surprised that you didnt have to be admitted to a hospital for this procedure and that you were back to yourself after a few days (despite crazy swelling).  That's insane.  Im incredibly happy for you that this all worked out well it just seems like for such a major surgery there would have been so much more involved??

I doubt it. Maybe this doctor was just an honest guy you know? These "top" surgeons just are mostly greedy f--ks who try and make lots of money. THey just "plan" these operations the night or even morning before and then wing it in surgery. And that includes like all of you who had surgery with A&G, Schendel, etc. etc. etc.  I didn't know much about the process but I know a lot more now. Most of them do like 4 surgeries a day. You're not special to them. They're not emotionally involved in your outcome. They just don't want to hear anything went wrong or you're dissatisfied. No sooner do they see you out the door and they're on to the next patient. If you got screwed by one of these doctors SUE THE f**kING HELL OUT OF THEM. [sorry didn't mean to hijack the thread with this, but after two years of studying all this s**t, it's time to get REAL]

[Lazlo]

I wouldn't of course ask you earl to share your pics. But I would love to see maybe in a drawing or a morph what your outcome looks like. I don't mean you personally but anyone.

Can you answer this: Did your under-eye area go from a negative vector to a straight or even positive vector? i.e. assuming you had a negative vector (i have a negative vector under my eye for example) right under my eye socket the upper cheek sinks in (and will likely become more pronounced as I age and tissue descends and I lose fat in that area). Surgery could make it more flush with my eye, or alternately as some asian people or richard gere etc. have it could curve outwards and be a positive vector. Do you think this surgery is powerful enough to produce a positive vector from a negative one under the eye area?

[earl25]

So where did the bovine bone get grafted?

Btw...Did you require a blood transfusion?

no transfusion. bovn bone was placed behing the advanced bone to hold it whil it heals

[earl25]

I am incredibly surprised that you didnt have to be admitted to a hospital for this procedure and that you were back to yourself after a few days (despite crazy swelling).  That's insane.  Im incredibly happy for you that this all worked out well it just seems like for such a major surgery there would have been so much more involved??

more and more advanced procedure are being done out of offic operating rooms these days

[KronosAlphason]

i didnt really have scleral show

How does one know if one's orbital rims are retruded?

[Dontknowwhattodo]

Guys guys guys...

I am really really confused here...

I became a member less than 6 months ago and since then Ive been reading all kind of different things regarding jaw surgeries and other related surgeries on here. Many of you guys write with super confidence and sound like you know alot, which some of you actually do because of doing lots of researching and talking to different specialist and ... but... before Earl went for this surgery most of you believed that this is a really dangerous surgery and no way you would let the operation to happen in the office operating room.... So I'm really confused here.. After all those researches and consulting many many different surgeons, Earl accepted to do the simplest thing and just trust this one less known surgeon to operate on him in his office?! I mean you guys are really surprised too, aren't you? Earl asked all those other doctors and they told him that this is a really really risky surgery... I mean how can you guys now trust these surgeons you ask questions from?! Im really not getting how is this even possible?! I myself am one of those people who cant trust doctors and has to do lots of research before letting them do the smallest thing to me... so I'm really confused...

[Gregor Samsa]

Most of those surgeons earl25 consulted with probably don't have a lot of experience doing Lefort IIIs. A surgeon can be excellent at doing some procedures and be completely ignorant about other slightly more esoteric ones. Most surgeons don't have any experience with the chin wing for example but that doesn't mean that they're bad surgeons in general. Knowing what your specific needs are and what you want to get out of the surgery is of uttermost importance when selecting the right surgeon for you. Most people just need to have their jaws moved into the right position and that's it, so in those cases you would be fine with almost any surgeon.

[Dontknowwhattodo]

Most of those surgeons earl25 consulted with probably don't have a lot of experience doing Lefort IIIs. A surgeon can be excellent at doing some procedures and be completely ignorant about other slightly more esoteric ones. Most surgeons don't have any experience with the chin wing for example but that doesn't mean that they're bad surgeons in general. Knowing what your specific needs are and what you want to get out of the surgery is of uttermost importance when selecting the right surgeon for you. Most people just need to have their jaws moved into the right position and that's it, so in those cases you would be fine with almost any surgeon.

But you know... they are god damned maxillofacial surgeons FFS! They should know everything related to their field at least in theory right? Telling a patient that he/she is going to get blind from a surgery that another surgeon does easily shows that they don't know enough about their field and havent tried enough to be up to date.

[earl25]

But you know... they are god damned maxillofacial surgeons FFS! They should know everything related to their field at least in theory right? Telling a patient that he/she is going to get blind from a surgery that another surgeon does easily shows that they don't know enough about their field and havent tried enough to be up to date.

theres 2 sides to his argument. first of all the docs I saw where top top guys. in cranio and maxillo. Now the reasons why other doctors told me scary stuff were due to several reasons imo.
1)just because theyre a top cranio or maxillo doesn't mean they do lefort iii often or even well versed in it. lefort iii in general is a rare procedure. and its only really done for syndrome cases
2)doctors in general are moving towards less invasive procedures/less risk. so any doctor would say "why do you want this invasive procedure when you cann get fat grafts or impants with less risk.
3)all those things they told me could have occurred also.

[earl25]

Guys guys guys...

I am really really confused here...

I became a member less than 6 months ago and since then Ive been reading all kind of different things regarding jaw surgeries and other related surgeries on here. Many of you guys write with super confidence and sound like you know alot, which some of you actually do because of doing lots of researching and talking to different specialist and ... but... before Earl went for this surgery most of you believed that this is a really dangerous surgery and no way you would let the operation to happen in the office operating room.... So I'm really confused here.. After all those researches and consulting many many different surgeons, Earl accepted to do the simplest thing and just trust this one less known surgeon to operate on him in his office?! I mean you guys are really surprised too, aren't you? Earl asked all those other doctors and they told him that this is a really really risky surgery... I mean how can you guys now trust these surgeons you ask questions from?! Im really not getting how is this even possible?! I myself am one of those people who cant trust doctors and has to do lots of research before letting them do the smallest thing to me... so I'm really confused...

my sugeon is actually a pioneer in the field and a very well known and respected maxillofacial surgeon.

[Gregor Samsa]

earl25, did your surgeon share his own statistics of his Lefort III procedures? It's quite possible that the surgeons who are saying that there are X and Y risks with a Lefort III have never actually performed one themselves.

[Dontknowwhattodo]

Could you tell me your doctors name? Somebody said Doctor Sinn? I searched, I'm not sure if I found the right one...

[earl25]

earl25, did your surgeon share his own statistics of his Lefort III procedures? It's quite possible that the surgeons who are saying that there are X and Y risks with a Lefort III have never actually performed one themselves.

he did but not concrete number stuff he said hes done this many times,is very confident etc.he addressed every fear of mine with info.