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SV123

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Dr Safi - Terrible Experience
« on: November 16, 2024, 01:41:39 AM »
Disclaimer: This post is not intended to defame Dr Safi. I am simply sharing my experiences.

Original post (from different account): https://www.reddit.com/r/LegaladviceGerman/comments/1dh8zl7/surgeon_cancelled_surgery_refund/

So this post is a bit hard to write since I have to awaken some bad memories of all this ordeal, which I wanted to forget, but I want to share my experience of trying to get surgery overseas with everyone.

If you are looking for a surgeon, please read my post as I dont want anyone else to go through what I did.

So here is the backstory:

I went to Dr Safi in Swizterland for pre-surgical consult. In the meeting room, he immediately started going on quite an unprofessional rant about his past patients, evening mocking them. He started talking about how people "on the internet" accuse him for putting unplanned filler in his patients. Afterwards, he begins to defend himself in his monologue saying that he has partnered up with many institutes and that other professionals "love him", probably to defend his ego but I had no idea why he was venting to me.

Then he randomly starts talking about GiantImplants (a person a lot of incels follow for surgical advice) all of a sudden. Honestly the first 5mins felt surreal, I never expected a professional person to talk like this.

He then talks about how many of his past international patients were 'blackpillers' who came from a website called looksmax. A lot of them were completely mentally ill, one even shockingly committing suicide after surgery with Safi. Another sued him. I'm sure he was trying to see if I was one of them.

He started complimenting me saying he is surprised "I don't stink" (given his past experiences with patients) and "look like an athletic guy" and that "he likes that". I suppose these were green flags?

Anyways, he then starts talking about looksmax, saying that I should delete my account. Now I stupidly lied, saying that I don't have an account, and only browsed the site, hearing about Dr Safi from a post. He caught my lie as one of his employees had discovered my account. FYI I only used that website occasionally to learn about surgeons (I learnt about Safi from there) and never took part in any of the dark dialogue. I only lied because I didn't want him to think lowly of me as he spent the past 10mins bashing many patients from that website.

He then was pissed, saying that I was a "major red flag". He then asked me to wait outside the meeting room for 20mins as he thought about whether to cancel the surgery of not.

After 20mins, I get called back in and to my shock, he decides to cancel the surgery. I literally cried in front of him as a grown as man. And not because he cancelled the surgery but because he literally attacked my character, mockingly saying I should go back to the internet with my blackpill friends and start writing about him like they all do.

Honestly the change in character was astonishing since he was such as nice guy in the zoom meetings.

I then started to practically beg, asking what the refund policy. I told me I don't come from a rich family (I literally worked at a factory and part-time tutor to earn 65k). He said he couldn't give me an answer as he would have to talk to his accountants. He would tell me on Monday.

This all happened on Friday. I had to wait the entire weekend not knowing whether all my hard-earned money would be lost or not. It was one of the worst periods of my life (not kidding). That's when I asked reddit about my problem. It was funny that practically everyone on r/jawsurgery were on my side, saying I should sue Safi if I don't get 100% of all my money, whereas people from other subreddits were saying it was all my fault for lying and I should be happy with whatever I get.

After the weekend I call Safi and he tells me that since I broke the surgeon-patient trust, he doesn't need to refund a single dollar according to our contract (the contract didn't say anything about trust FYI), but that he is happy to give back 34.8k CHF out of total 39k CHF. He was obviously saying this to appear generous. In Australian dollars, I got around 58k back out of 65k.

So overall I lost 7k AUD + 3k for plane tickets and accomodation. Pretty s**t experience right. It took me 6 months of work whilst in uni to save all this back.

Overall, I feel neutral about this whole thing, since I can understand why Dr Safi would have cancelled the surgery as he doesn't want to risk himself, but I can also understand why I lied.

The main thing I am against is Safi's hypocrisy, since during our initial meetings, he was actively highlighting my facial flaws, saying I have 'weak chin', 'weak cheekbones', 'dark undereyes'. He even mentioned my wide nose which I didn't talk about at all. I got super insecure about myself after these meetings. He doesn't want overly insecure patients but he definitely made me more insecure about myself.

I want to share my story with everyone so that people are not swayed by online personas. Things can get dark when you meet a surgeon in person. Please research carefully and don't believe surgeons blindly if they point out flaws in your face.

Your face is their business!

TLDR: I, an Australian resident, flew to Swizterland in the hopes of getting with Dr Safi 5 months ago. Due to lying about an online account, the surgeon cancelled my surgery unilaterally in an in-person meeting. For a couple of days I was unsure of whether I would get the 65k AUD I paid for, causing great distress. The above linked post was posted by me during this uncertain time. Eventually, I only lost 7k AUD and got the rest back.

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Re: Dr Safi - Terrible Experience
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2024, 07:35:03 AM »
What was his argument to not refund you a 100%?

You can contact them and see if they are able to help you:
https://www.berner-aerzte.ch/de/informationen/fuer-patientinnen-und-patienten/ombudsstelle.html

Or call +41 31 359 12 10, maybe they are able to assist (medical professional association, Switzerland)

The link is in german but once you speak to someone they most likely are able to help you in English.

Edit: I am not assessing the situation, but in general, if you feel that you have been treated unfairly or that the doctor is in the wrong you should definitely do something against it. It doesn't cost you any money.



« Last Edit: November 20, 2024, 07:51:04 AM by Tomasjohn »

SV123

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Re: Dr Safi - Terrible Experience
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2024, 03:56:21 AM »
According to him, I shouldn't have gotten any refund at all since I broke his trust, leading to cancellation.

A 'loss of trust' means 0% refund according to our contract, according to Dr Safi, however this is a lie since the contract says nothing about 'loss of trust' leading to no refund.

I believe he was just trying to get me to be grateful for the 34.8k refund I did get.

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Re: Dr Safi - Terrible Experience
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2024, 04:27:51 AM »
Well, it's on you now to take any action or leave it be.

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Re: Dr Safi - Terrible Experience
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2024, 10:23:30 AM »
You should probably sue him.
Millimeters are miles on the face.

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Re: Dr Safi - Terrible Experience
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2024, 03:44:40 AM »
Well, it's on you now to take any action or leave it be.

I am in contact with Dr Safi.

I don't think he is a bad person so I think we can reach an agreement directly without any legal action.

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Re: Dr Safi - Terrible Experience
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2024, 03:56:20 PM »
That's part of the OP's problem right there. He doesn't think the doctor is a bad person who would pull one over on  him. Each time the suggestion comes where the doctor SCAMMED him and he should either SUE him or be given ALL his money back, he cowers back to defend him as 'not being a bad guy' and resigns himSELF for being at fault for 'lying' to the doctor about not being on the lookism board. The doctor convinced him that he didn't want any patients from that board, demanded he delete his account (and questions about his plan) he put up there. Yet the OP never called into question (or maybe didn't observe) WHY a member on that board showing good results of the doctor (and attracting patients to him that way), STAYED on the same board where the OP was told by the doctor to delete his account.

I recall this issue some time back when he had it. But I can't reference it all because he had my posts deleted, in particular a string where I showed a screen shot of his displacement proposal read-out vs. the changes the told him verbally which differed vastly. He also was on quite a number of boards expressing same issue but had his posts deleted. What you are observing here is a complaint cycle where it does look like he was SCAMMED, but suggestions as to what legal actions to take just resolve to his defending the doctor as 'being a good guy' and resigning himself for being the 'dishonest' one. The doctor probably sees all this cowering back in 'defence' of the doctor and I would imagine that would factor into his NOT getting all his money back.

When I looked into his issue, which did have earmarks of a doctor pulling a fast one over on the OP, the OP got back on board to announce he was satisfied with the amount of money he got back from the doctor and the OP just repeated the cycle of the 'doctor is a good guy' and again resigned himself to being the dishonest one for being on a board the doctor didn't want him on. So, I felt it futile to point out what I found circumspect and deleted the screen shots I took of some facts and circumstances that looked disingenuous to me. Like when the OP resolved not to take any action other than to point out the doctor wasn't a 'bad guy', there was no need for me to retain screen shots taking up computer memory that suggested otherwise. I'll relay the gist of it though:

1: The doctor had a PEEP; a conduit, on the board the OP found the doctor on (one of the lookism boards). The conduit ATTRACTED patients to the doctor from there. However, the conduit's account remained. But it was the OP's account the doctor did not want participating on the board. Let's see. If a doctor didn't want patients from a particular board, then the account to be deleted would be the conduit's and not the OP's. I'll tell you that a con game some doctor's play is they have a SHILL on a board showing photos of a good outcome or they might talk up a doctor. They attract potential patients to a doctor and might get some 'perk' out of it. In that way, the doctor has some control over the NARRATIVE relayed about the doctor.

When a dishonest doctor finds a venue where he can CONTROL the narrative about him via a SHILL attracting patients to him, he's also going to want to control the narrative of a patient that gets channeled to him that way. Again, the OP was channeled to the doctor via the board the doctor claimed he didn't want patient's from. The OP put up a query about his plan from the doctor. Most likely the same one he put up here where I found a MISTAKE on it (on this board) as to what the plan relayed vs. what the doctor told him verbally. The fact that the doctor saw it there pretty much should have triggered suspicion that he had a PEEP on there reporting back to him before someone ELSE could have found a similar thing to call into question with his plan.

Also, the doctor went through TOO MANY protestations that he 'didn't want incels' from that particular board and the OP was not allowed to show the doctor's intellectual property on the board. Something very circumspect with that claim when a conduit showing photos of a good outcome to attract patients from there remains on the same board the doctor forbids the OP to be on.

2: An ownership search on the implant design company (the OP either got his money back on the implant design or did not) kicked up that Safi was the sole proprietor (owner of it). It's also said that his brother-in-law does the designing. In addition, ANOTHER implant designer ('Giant', who goes on the lookism type boards) said that Safi pilfers his ideas/plans.

Basically, I'd say the doctor has CONTROL over the OP's narrative and pulled one over on him where he probably still thinks HE is 'guilty' for being on a board the doctor didn't want him to be on and THAT'S why he's not going to get all his money back. He complains about his bad experience and how the doctor conducted. BUT when he gets feed back that suggests the doctor was in the wrong and/or he could/should be sued/challenged in some way, the OP cowers back to point out the doctor 'isn't a bad guy'.

So, all this resolves to the OP complaining about the doctor, getting feedback the doctor pulled one over on him, the doctor sees it and gets the OP to delete his complaints holding over his head, he might not get his money back when he complains on boards, yet the doctor 'isn't a bad guy'. So, I fail to see WHY the OP is complaining about him openly IF he 'isn't' a bad guy
and telling people he can work it out privately with the doctor.




Well, it's on you now to take any action or leave it be.

I am in contact with Dr Safi.

I don't think he is a bad person so I think we can reach an agreement directly without any legal action.

Please. No PMs for private advice. Board issues only.

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Re: Dr Safi - Terrible Experience
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2024, 02:51:22 AM »
You should probably sue him.

I am now actually considering it