Dr Safi - Terrible Experience

[SV123]

Disclaimer: This post is not intended to defame Dr Safi. I am simply sharing my experiences.

Original post (from different account): https://www.reddit.com/r/LegaladviceGerman/comments/1dh8zl7/surgeon_cancelled_surgery_refund/

So this post is a bit hard to write since I have to awaken some bad memories of all this ordeal, which I wanted to forget, but I want to share my experience of trying to get surgery overseas with everyone.

If you are looking for a surgeon, please read my post as I dont want anyone else to go through what I did.

So here is the backstory:

I went to Dr Safi in Swizterland for pre-surgical consult. In the meeting room, he immediately started going on quite an unprofessional rant about his past patients, evening mocking them. He started talking about how people "on the internet" accuse him for putting unplanned filler in his patients. Afterwards, he begins to defend himself in his monologue saying that he has partnered up with many institutes and that other professionals "love him", probably to defend his ego but I had no idea why he was venting to me.

Then he randomly starts talking about GiantImplants (a person a lot of incels follow for surgical advice) all of a sudden. Honestly the first 5mins felt surreal, I never expected a professional person to talk like this.

He then talks about how many of his past international patients were 'blackpillers' who came from a website called looksmax. A lot of them were completely mentally ill, one even shockingly committing suicide after surgery with Safi. Another sued him. I'm sure he was trying to see if I was one of them.

He started complimenting me saying he is surprised "I don't stink" (given his past experiences with patients) and "look like an athletic guy" and that "he likes that". I suppose these were green flags?

Anyways, he then starts talking about looksmax, saying that I should delete my account. Now I stupidly lied, saying that I don't have an account, and only browsed the site, hearing about Dr Safi from a post. He caught my lie as one of his employees had discovered my account. FYI I only used that website occasionally to learn about surgeons (I learnt about Safi from there) and never took part in any of the dark dialogue. I only lied because I didn't want him to think lowly of me as he spent the past 10mins bashing many patients from that website.

He then was pissed, saying that I was a "major red flag". He then asked me to wait outside the meeting room for 20mins as he thought about whether to cancel the surgery of not.

After 20mins, I get called back in and to my shock, he decides to cancel the surgery. I literally cried in front of him as a grown as man. And not because he cancelled the surgery but because he literally attacked my character, mockingly saying I should go back to the internet with my blackpill friends and start writing about him like they all do.

Honestly the change in character was astonishing since he was such as nice guy in the zoom meetings.

I then started to practically beg, asking what the refund policy. I told me I don't come from a rich family (I literally worked at a factory and part-time tutor to earn 65k). He said he couldn't give me an answer as he would have to talk to his accountants. He would tell me on Monday.

This all happened on Friday. I had to wait the entire weekend not knowing whether all my hard-earned money would be lost or not. It was one of the worst periods of my life (not kidding). That's when I asked reddit about my problem. It was funny that practically everyone on r/jawsurgery were on my side, saying I should sue Safi if I don't get 100% of all my money, whereas people from other subreddits were saying it was all my fault for lying and I should be happy with whatever I get.

After the weekend I call Safi and he tells me that since I broke the surgeon-patient trust, he doesn't need to refund a single dollar according to our contract (the contract didn't say anything about trust FYI), but that he is happy to give back 34.8k CHF out of total 39k CHF. He was obviously saying this to appear generous. In Australian dollars, I got around 58k back out of 65k.

So overall I lost 7k AUD + 3k for plane tickets and accomodation. Pretty s**t experience right. It took me 6 months of work whilst in uni to save all this back.

Overall, I feel neutral about this whole thing, since I can understand why Dr Safi would have cancelled the surgery as he doesn't want to risk himself, but I can also understand why I lied.

The main thing I am against is Safi's hypocrisy, since during our initial meetings, he was actively highlighting my facial flaws, saying I have 'weak chin', 'weak cheekbones', 'dark undereyes'. He even mentioned my wide nose which I didn't talk about at all. I got super insecure about myself after these meetings. He doesn't want overly insecure patients but he definitely made me more insecure about myself.

I want to share my story with everyone so that people are not swayed by online personas. Things can get dark when you meet a surgeon in person. Please research carefully and don't believe surgeons blindly if they point out flaws in your face.

Your face is their business!

TLDR: I, an Australian resident, flew to Swizterland in the hopes of getting with Dr Safi 5 months ago. Due to lying about an online account, the surgeon cancelled my surgery unilaterally in an in-person meeting. For a couple of days I was unsure of whether I would get the 65k AUD I paid for, causing great distress. The above linked post was posted by me during this uncertain time. Eventually, I only lost 7k AUD and got the rest back.

[Tomasjohn]

What was his argument to not refund you a 100%?

You can contact them and see if they are able to help you:
https://www.berner-aerzte.ch/de/informationen/fuer-patientinnen-und-patienten/ombudsstelle.html

Or call +41 31 359 12 10, maybe they are able to assist (medical professional association, Switzerland)

The link is in german but once you speak to someone they most likely are able to help you in English.

Edit: I am not assessing the situation, but in general, if you feel that you have been treated unfairly or that the doctor is in the wrong you should definitely do something against it. It doesn't cost you any money.

[SV123]

According to him, I shouldn't have gotten any refund at all since I broke his trust, leading to cancellation.

A 'loss of trust' means 0% refund according to our contract, according to Dr Safi, however this is a lie since the contract says nothing about 'loss of trust' leading to no refund.

I believe he was just trying to get me to be grateful for the 34.8k refund I did get.

[Tomasjohn]

Well, it's on you now to take any action or leave it be.

[GJ]

You should probably sue him.

[SV123]

Well, it's on you now to take any action or leave it be.

I am in contact with Dr Safi.

I don't think he is a bad person so I think we can reach an agreement directly without any legal action.

[kavan]

That's part of the OP's problem right there. He doesn't think the doctor is a bad person who would pull one over on  him. Each time the suggestion comes where the doctor SCAMMED him and he should either SUE him or be given ALL his money back, he cowers back to defend him as 'not being a bad guy' and resigns himSELF for being at fault for 'lying' to the doctor about not being on the lookism board. The doctor convinced him that he didn't want any patients from that board, demanded he delete his account (and questions about his plan) he put up there. Yet the OP never called into question (or maybe didn't observe) WHY a member on that board showing good results of the doctor (and attracting patients to him that way), STAYED on the same board where the OP was told by the doctor to delete his account.

I recall this issue some time back when he had it. But I can't reference it all because he had my posts deleted, in particular a string where I showed a screen shot of his displacement proposal read-out vs. the changes the told him verbally which differed vastly. He also was on quite a number of boards expressing same issue but had his posts deleted. What you are observing here is a complaint cycle where it does look like he was SCAMMED, but suggestions as to what legal actions to take just resolve to his defending the doctor as 'being a good guy' and resigning himself for being the 'dishonest' one. The doctor probably sees all this cowering back in 'defence' of the doctor and I would imagine that would factor into his NOT getting all his money back.

When I looked into his issue, which did have earmarks of a doctor pulling a fast one over on the OP, the OP got back on board to announce he was satisfied with the amount of money he got back from the doctor and the OP just repeated the cycle of the 'doctor is a good guy' and again resigned himself to being the dishonest one for being on a board the doctor didn't want him on. So, I felt it futile to point out what I found circumspect and deleted the screen shots I took of some facts and circumstances that looked disingenuous to me. Like when the OP resolved not to take any action other than to point out the doctor wasn't a 'bad guy', there was no need for me to retain screen shots taking up computer memory that suggested otherwise. I'll relay the gist of it though:

1: The doctor had a PEEP; a conduit, on the board the OP found the doctor on (one of the lookism boards). The conduit ATTRACTED patients to the doctor from there. However, the conduit's account remained. But it was the OP's account the doctor did not want participating on the board. Let's see. If a doctor didn't want patients from a particular board, then the account to be deleted would be the conduit's and not the OP's. I'll tell you that a con game some doctor's play is they have a SHILL on a board showing photos of a good outcome or they might talk up a doctor. They attract potential patients to a doctor and might get some 'perk' out of it. In that way, the doctor has some control over the NARRATIVE relayed about the doctor.

When a dishonest doctor finds a venue where he can CONTROL the narrative about him via a SHILL attracting patients to him, he's also going to want to control the narrative of a patient that gets channeled to him that way. Again, the OP was channeled to the doctor via the board the doctor claimed he didn't want patient's from. The OP put up a query about his plan from the doctor. Most likely the same one he put up here where I found a MISTAKE on it (on this board) as to what the plan relayed vs. what the doctor told him verbally. The fact that the doctor saw it there pretty much should have triggered suspicion that he had a PEEP on there reporting back to him before someone ELSE could have found a similar thing to call into question with his plan.

Also, the doctor went through TOO MANY protestations that he 'didn't want incels' from that particular board and the OP was not allowed to show the doctor's intellectual property on the board. Something very circumspect with that claim when a conduit showing photos of a good outcome to attract patients from there remains on the same board the doctor forbids the OP to be on.

2: An ownership search on the implant design company (the OP either got his money back on the implant design or did not) kicked up that Safi was the sole proprietor (owner of it). It's also said that his brother-in-law does the designing. In addition, ANOTHER implant designer ('Giant', who goes on the lookism type boards) said that Safi pilfers his ideas/plans.

Basically, I'd say the doctor has CONTROL over the OP's narrative and pulled one over on him where he probably still thinks HE is 'guilty' for being on a board the doctor didn't want him to be on and THAT'S why he's not going to get all his money back. He complains about his bad experience and how the doctor conducted. BUT when he gets feed back that suggests the doctor was in the wrong and/or he could/should be sued/challenged in some way, the OP cowers back to point out the doctor 'isn't a bad guy'.

So, all this resolves to the OP complaining about the doctor, getting feedback the doctor pulled one over on him, the doctor sees it and gets the OP to delete his complaints holding over his head, he might not get his money back when he complains on boards, yet the doctor 'isn't a bad guy'. So, I fail to see WHY the OP is complaining about him openly IF he 'isn't' a bad guy
and telling people he can work it out privately with the doctor.

Well, it's on you now to take any action or leave it be.

I am in contact with Dr Safi.

I don't think he is a bad person so I think we can reach an agreement directly without any legal action.

[SV123]

You should probably sue him.

I am now actually considering it

[SV123]

That's part of the OP's problem right there. He doesn't think the doctor is a bad person who would pull one over on  him. Each time the suggestion comes where the doctor SCAMMED him and he should either SUE him or be given ALL his money back, he cowers back to defend him as 'not being a bad guy' and resigns himSELF for being at fault for 'lying' to the doctor about not being on the lookism board. The doctor convinced him that he didn't want any patients from that board, demanded he delete his account (and questions about his plan) he put up there. Yet the OP never called into question (or maybe didn't observe) WHY a member on that board showing good results of the doctor (and attracting patients to him that way), STAYED on the same board where the OP was told by the doctor to delete his account.

I recall this issue some time back when he had it. But I can't reference it all because he had my posts deleted, in particular a string where I showed a screen shot of his displacement proposal read-out vs. the changes the told him verbally which differed vastly. He also was on quite a number of boards expressing same issue but had his posts deleted. What you are observing here is a complaint cycle where it does look like he was SCAMMED, but suggestions as to what legal actions to take just resolve to his defending the doctor as 'being a good guy' and resigning himself for being the 'dishonest' one. The doctor probably sees all this cowering back in 'defence' of the doctor and I would imagine that would factor into his NOT getting all his money back.

When I looked into his issue, which did have earmarks of a doctor pulling a fast one over on the OP, the OP got back on board to announce he was satisfied with the amount of money he got back from the doctor and the OP just repeated the cycle of the 'doctor is a good guy' and again resigned himself to being the dishonest one for being on a board the doctor didn't want him on. So, I felt it futile to point out what I found circumspect and deleted the screen shots I took of some facts and circumstances that looked disingenuous to me. Like when the OP resolved not to take any action other than to point out the doctor wasn't a 'bad guy', there was no need for me to retain screen shots taking up computer memory that suggested otherwise. I'll relay the gist of it though:

1: The doctor had a PEEP; a conduit, on the board the OP found the doctor on (one of the lookism boards). The conduit ATTRACTED patients to the doctor from there. However, the conduit's account remained. But it was the OP's account the doctor did not want participating on the board. Let's see. If a doctor didn't want patients from a particular board, then the account to be deleted would be the conduit's and not the OP's. I'll tell you that a con game some doctor's play is they have a SHILL on a board showing photos of a good outcome or they might talk up a doctor. They attract potential patients to a doctor and might get some 'perk' out of it. In that way, the doctor has some control over the NARRATIVE relayed about the doctor.

When a dishonest doctor finds a venue where he can CONTROL the narrative about him via a SHILL attracting patients to him, he's also going to want to control the narrative of a patient that gets channeled to him that way. Again, the OP was channeled to the doctor via the board the doctor claimed he didn't want patient's from. The OP put up a query about his plan from the doctor. Most likely the same one he put up here where I found a MISTAKE on it (on this board) as to what the plan relayed vs. what the doctor told him verbally. The fact that the doctor saw it there pretty much should have triggered suspicion that he had a PEEP on there reporting back to him before someone ELSE could have found a similar thing to call into question with his plan.

Also, the doctor went through TOO MANY protestations that he 'didn't want incels' from that particular board and the OP was not allowed to show the doctor's intellectual property on the board. Something very circumspect with that claim when a conduit showing photos of a good outcome to attract patients from there remains on the same board the doctor forbids the OP to be on.

2: An ownership search on the implant design company (the OP either got his money back on the implant design or did not) kicked up that Safi was the sole proprietor (owner of it). It's also said that his brother-in-law does the designing. In addition, ANOTHER implant designer ('Giant', who goes on the lookism type boards) said that Safi pilfers his ideas/plans.

Basically, I'd say the doctor has CONTROL over the OP's narrative and pulled one over on him where he probably still thinks HE is 'guilty' for being on a board the doctor didn't want him to be on and THAT'S why he's not going to get all his money back. He complains about his bad experience and how the doctor conducted. BUT when he gets feed back that suggests the doctor was in the wrong and/or he could/should be sued/challenged in some way, the OP cowers back to point out the doctor 'isn't a bad guy'.

So, all this resolves to the OP complaining about the doctor, getting feedback the doctor pulled one over on him, the doctor sees it and gets the OP to delete his complaints holding over his head, he might not get his money back when he complains on boards, yet the doctor 'isn't a bad guy'. So, I fail to see WHY the OP is complaining about him openly IF he 'isn't' a bad guy
and telling people he can work it out privately with the doctor.

Hi Kavan,

I believe you are right. After further conversation with Dr Safi, I am beginning to question the integrity of his character.




I do regret not spotting his red flags earlier on. For the people reading this, who are also looking for a surgeon, these were the red flags I noticed (in hindsight) which you should also look for:

- He analysed my face like a lookism user during the first online consult, giving me a verbal list of all my 'facial flaws'. He found a minor flaw in practically everything and tried to sell a solution. This is a MAJOR RED FLAG. No ethical surgeon would try to offer solutions to made up problems. To those reading this that are seeking surgery, do not let take the facial flaws pointed out by a surgeon seriously. Understand THEY WANT YOU TO BE INSECURE, so they can make money. Only go to surgeons that address the facial flaws YOU mention to them, not the other way around.

- I was lured in with the offer of bimax + 2 facial implants through the offer of financial planning and a discounted price of 42k CHF. 2 months later, Safi refused the financial planning and also increased price to 49k CHF due to 'higher demand'. This is a red flag, showing that the surgeon is not a man of his word.

- During a phone call, Safi stated that he was wary of international patients as he had experience with a supposed 'mentally ill' international patient. He spoke ill of the patient. This is a red flag. Why would a respectable surgeon slander his past patients during consults?  I actually read this patient's online reviews. Apparently Safi cut a nerve responsible for taste during an operation. One of his implants also broke. There was such a massive list of problems this online user that I basically labelled him as a mentally ill wacko who was trying to harm Safi's business.

- A super non professional consult. Safi spoke very informally during our consult, and I mean VERY informally like a teenager as he was mocking his online critics. Felt so surreal I couldn't believe this guy was going to cut open my face. This is a red flag as I expect surgeons to speak professionally.






Coming back to you Kavan, I believe the conduit you are referring to is anticel on the looksmax forum. I definitely went to Safi after reading his post. In hindsight, his long piece does feel like an advertisement for Safi. I am not sure if he was paid by Safi or not, but he did state he received a discount for his surgery in one of his posts.

Now referencing to your comments about me, I honestly feel I was traumatised by my experience with Safi (not exaggerating). I have always been sensitive to other people's opinions of me since childhood. Even when my primary school teachers would scold me of a small thing, I would remember it for months!

After denying surgery, Safi gaslit me hard, tearing down my character and calling me an 'incel', literally making a grown man cry. On top of that, I had to last 3 whole days, not knowing whether I would get a single dollar refunded, as Safi didn't give any hint of a refund before he talked to his accountants. He didn't even have the decency to assure me I would get some of my money back. I was honestly having vague suicidal thoughts during these days, which I never had before in my life. I am a from a middle class family, and it took me 1.5 years to save that money, so the thought of losing it all was too much to bear. I am also naturally frugal so that's a cherry on top!

Due to this traumatic experience, I think I developed something similar to Stockholm syndrome. Or maybe I just fell for Safi's gaslighting, believing I was the bad person for lying about having a looksmax account after seeing Safi's negative opinion of users from there.

Honestly, I can now fully see I was tricked and gaslit by the surgeon. I now have forgiven myself for the past. I am only 21 years old and have so much to look forward to in life. I can recover from the financial losses. I have also learnt a valuable lesson - to not be easily swayed by online opinions. I was so thoroughly trapped in insecurity, perpetuated by looksmax.org, that I ignored the countless red flags shown by Safi before I even booked my flight to Switzerland. I now have deleted all social media (except YouTube) since comparison is the thief of joy.

Going back to my original post, depending on my financial situation, I may choose to take legal action against Dr Safi in the future. I am still financially, and emotionally, recovering from this loss in life.




Finally, I also want to wholeheartedly thank you for your guidance Kavan with your long posts this year regarding surgery. This forum definitely deserves more attention and has much more information compared to other places like reddit.

[kavan]

Hi Kavan,

I believe you are right. After further conversation with Dr Safi, I am beginning to question the integrity of his character.




I do regret not spotting his red flags earlier on. For the people reading this, who are also looking for a surgeon, these were the red flags I noticed (in hindsight) which you should also look for:

- He analysed my face like a lookism user during the first online consult, giving me a verbal list of all my 'facial flaws'. He found a minor flaw in practically everything and tried to sell a solution. This is a MAJOR RED FLAG. No ethical surgeon would try to offer solutions to made up problems. To those reading this that are seeking surgery, do not let take the facial flaws pointed out by a surgeon seriously. Understand THEY WANT YOU TO BE INSECURE, so they can make money. Only go to surgeons that address the facial flaws YOU mention to them, not the other way around.

- I was lured in with the offer of bimax + 2 facial implants through the offer of financial planning and a discounted price of 42k CHF. 2 months later, Safi refused the financial planning and also increased price to 49k CHF due to 'higher demand'. This is a red flag, showing that the surgeon is not a man of his word.

- During a phone call, Safi stated that he was wary of international patients as he had experience with a supposed 'mentally ill' international patient. He spoke ill of the patient. This is a red flag. Why would a respectable surgeon slander his past patients during consults?  I actually read this patient's online reviews. Apparently Safi cut a nerve responsible for taste during an operation. One of his implants also broke. There was such a massive list of problems this online user that I basically labelled him as a mentally ill wacko who was trying to harm Safi's business.

- A super non professional consult. Safi spoke very informally during our consult, and I mean VERY informally like a teenager as he was mocking his online critics. Felt so surreal I couldn't believe this guy was going to cut open my face. This is a red flag as I expect surgeons to speak professionally.






Coming back to you Kavan, I believe the conduit you are referring to is anticel on the looksmax forum. I definitely went to Safi after reading his post. In hindsight, his long piece does feel like an advertisement for Safi. I am not sure if he was paid by Safi or not, but he did state he received a discount for his surgery in one of his posts.

Now referencing to your comments about me, I honestly feel I was traumatised by my experience with Safi (not exaggerating). I have always been sensitive to other people's opinions of me since childhood. Even when my primary school teachers would scold me of a small thing, I would remember it for months!

After denying surgery, Safi gaslit me hard, tearing down my character and calling me an 'incel', literally making a grown man cry. On top of that, I had to last 3 whole days, not knowing whether I would get a single dollar refunded, as Safi didn't give any hint of a refund before he talked to his accountants. He didn't even have the decency to assure me I would get some of my money back. I was honestly having vague suicidal thoughts during these days, which I never had before in my life. I am a from a middle class family, and it took me 1.5 years to save that money, so the thought of losing it all was too much to bear. I am also naturally frugal so that's a cherry on top!

Due to this traumatic experience, I think I developed something similar to Stockholm syndrome. Or maybe I just fell for Safi's gaslighting, believing I was the bad person for lying about having a looksmax account after seeing Safi's negative opinion of users from there.

Honestly, I can now fully see I was tricked and gaslit by the surgeon. I now have forgiven myself for the past. I am only 21 years old and have so much to look forward to in life. I can recover from the financial losses. I have also learnt a valuable lesson - to not be easily swayed by online opinions. I was so thoroughly trapped in insecurity, perpetuated by looksmax.org, that I ignored the countless red flags shown by Safi before I even booked my flight to Switzerland. I now have deleted all social media (except YouTube) since comparison is the thief of joy.

Going back to my original post, depending on my financial situation, I may choose to take legal action against Dr Safi in the future. I am still financially, and emotionally, recovering from this loss in life.




Finally, I also want to wholeheartedly thank you for your guidance Kavan with your long posts this year regarding surgery. This forum definitely deserves more attention and has much more information compared to other places like reddit.

My comments, in no particular order:

From your experience, I did notice that this Safi guy had ear marks of a con man and he CHANNELED into the Lookism board/s to attract patients from there. The tell tale sign of that was what I referred to as a 'peep' on there (anticell), I think was screen name. (nothing against that poster. just sayin' if you found Safi from him, it's wrong for Safi to be OK with him being FOUND but you being NOT found on there.) IF it was really 'true' that he did NOT want patients coming to him from that or those kinds of boards, THEN, it would follow that he would have told the conduit NOT to post his photos there if it were really true that he didn't want to be found on that board (which it does not seem to be).

Another ear mark was that as far as 'guilt' goes, it was Safi who was 'guilty' of tapping into that type of board where insecurities REVOLVE around not looking like a male model. That would explain the LITANY of facial flaws he brought to your attention as to MAXIMIZE the 'employment opportunities' he could 'fix' on your face. The GAS LIGHTING comes in when he goes about making YOU feel guilty for coming to him from the VERY board he channels patients from. In your consult with him, what you noticed but maybe could not put your finger on was that he was PREEMPTIVELY DEFENSIVE and overly so to DISCLAIM that board was a CONDUIT of how patients found him. Like some doctors ask: 'Where did you hear about me?' But he KNEW where you would have found out about him and didn't need to ask. What he 'needed' to do to put on a show to DISCLAIM, (pretend) he didn't want patients from that board.

He knew what people from that type of board wanted which was 'big giant implants' and to that regard, he had his own implant design outfit (where his brother in law did the designing). Low and behold, the guy on that board 'giant implants' (the guy behind that), who was griping about his designs being copied or otherwise pilfered, Safi knew enough about (perhaps to talk him down) mentioned to you. So, that's another indicator of another, perhaps in competition with Safi's share of patients coming from that board.

Basically, that doctor WANTS to appeal to patients from there. But INTERNALLY, probably is ashamed of himself. So EXTERNALLY, he PROJECTS his own shame on YOU. He's a master of psychological manipulation. Now, as to telling you what is 'wrong' with your face, the way to convey that type of thing is to tell the patient they could further enhance with -what ever-- during the surgery or later down the line IF they wanted. But in a way NOT to make them feel self conscious or 'bad' for not getting extras.

If he's mocking or defending himself to his on line critics to YOU in a circumstance where you found him via a conduit COMPLIMENTING his work, that's another indicator that he wants to control the narrative about what is said about him on the boards/places where he also has a peep talking him UP and of course, an indicator that he monitors (or has someone on them who reports to him) the places patients hear about him from. Again, that's an indicator of his being PREEMPTIVELY DEFENSIVE. Like he is POISED to instill a sense of disbelief in you about an unhappy patient even if you didn't know about this unhappy patient when you went there and only knew about the happy conduit.

Safi probably denied your surgery because the plan was OFF and NOT what he told you verbally. I noticed that and it would have been something the 'giant' guy on the board could have also noticed. Basically, someone ELSE could/would have noticed that if you kept your plan up there. Safi could have noticed himself when he saw your plan up there and what was off with it and cancelled the surgery based on a faulty plan because faulty plan=failed surgery=unhappy patient. There would be little other reason for him to demand you REMOVE it and then put a GUILT TRIP on you for lying to him that you were not on that board. I mean you are allowed to be on the same lookism board where he gets his patients. Although you 'lied' to him about not being on there, his LIE to you about not wanting patients from there was a BIGGER lie and one where you would not have lied to him about being on there if he did not put up a CHARADE of his 'not wanting' patients from there. Morally and ethically, he's the guilty one. Not you.

Clearly, he put you through some emotional torture by inflicting anxiety that you would not get all your money back, especially so, IF he didn't disclose to you the part where HE owned the IMPLANT DESIGN company and you didn't get your money back for what ever design was made (that you could not use or could have been faulty).

IDK. If he really doesn't want patients from the lookism boards, maybe you could go back on there and call his bluff by telling people he thinks they are all 'incels', 'mentally unstable' and doesn't want patients from there. Tell his TARGET MARKET and save them the trip and consult.