~2 months post op. would like advice for further advancement/enhancements

[kavan]

That's what I don't understand, isn't bimax supposed to be able to make your mandible more angular, aesthetic from the front? Also, shouldn't maxillary projection also result in better cheekbones and a better LeFort1 area?

NO. Because a BSSO doesn't selectively rotate the jaw angles outward so they stick out like triangles from the front.
NO to Lefort1 making cheek bones more prominent. Because L1 moves the area (forward) below the cheek bones.

Better jaw balance via Lefort 1 and BSSO does not 'mean' better cheek bones and jaw angles that stick out from the front. In fact it's a very common let down for male model wannabees who pursue maxfax  for goals other than better jaw to jaw balance.

[beautyislife]

Maybe we have a different taste. In my opinion, if the jaw is vertically aligned with the cheekbones, there's no need to do something about the jaw.

I just agree with OP's assesment of his own front. But if it's still swelling that has to settle down, then he can wait and maybe it indeed will turn out better than before.

Assuming I read your comments correctly, it's one reason why I'm considering a chin wing or a side wing (if it's still possible). From the results I see it appears the width can be increased, and if swelling going away shows that my cheeks are much wider than my jaw, I think it'd be a better aesthetic result to widen the jaw on paper, but i'm unsure how it'd actually look from the front and if it would be comically wide.

[ben from UK]

Assuming I read your comments correctly, it's one reason why I'm considering a chin wing or a side wing (if it's still possible). From the results I see it appears the width can be increased, and if swelling going away shows that my cheeks are much wider than my jaw, I think it'd be a better aesthetic result to widen the jaw on paper, but i'm unsure how it'd actually look from the front and if it would be comically wide.

Why don't you morph your post op pics with more angular jawangles? Would you gain anything aestethically (presuming it would come out exactly like the morph). I just did it on my phone (not going to spam your pics on this board) and I don't see any gains. Now, I could be wrong, but I just think your problem lies somewhere else.

The problem isn't the lack of width imo.

Jaw was already vertically aligned with the cheekbobes, shouldn't have been touched imo. So what could have you possibly gained by doing something on the jaw? Maybe localised fillers could have made it a bit more angular, but moving whole jaw forward is too much imo.

Now you seem to have another problem, that's not the lack of width imo. It's partially the rounded angles, but also the lack of forward growth/depth/seemingly flatter face. But again, like others and you yourself said: there's still swelling. What if the swelling subsides and the depth comes back? Then you might be more satisfied. It could be too soon to tell.

I do understand what you want to recreate with the chinwing, but imo it's like building an appartment on a house. There's already too much width imo (probably due to swelling as well). I think you're going to mess with proportions as well when doing a cw. The middle third and lower third might become too broad compared to the upper third.

But this is only my opinion. You clearly see that some people on thid board, maybe the najority, like the post op pic and see it as an inprovement. I don't know, you still look pretty good, but it's like you lost some masculinity. Again there might still be alot of swelling, so don't take my opinion too serious.

[beautyislife]

Why don't you morph your post op pics with more angular jawangles? Would you gain anything aestethically (presuming it would come out exactly like the morph). I just did it on my phone (not going to spam your pics on this board) and I don't see any gains. Now, I could be wrong, but I just think your problem lies somewhere else.

The problem isn't the lack of width imo.

Jaw was already vertically aligned with the cheekbobes, shouldn't have been touched imo. So what could have you possibly gained by doing something on the jaw? Maybe localised fillers could have made it a bit more angular, but moving whole jaw forward is too much imo.

Now you seem to have another problem, that's not the lack of width imo. It's partially the rounded angles, but also the lack of forward growth/depth/seemingly flatter face. But again, like others and you yourself said: there's still swelling. What if the swelling subsides and the depth comes back? Then you might be more satisfied. It could be too soon to tell.

I do understand what you want to recreate with the chinwing, but imo it's like building an appartment on a house. There's already too much width imo (probably due to swelling as well). I think you're going to mess with proportions as well when doing a cw. The middle third and lower third might become too broad compared to the upper third.

But this is only my opinion. You clearly see that some people on thid board, maybe the najority, like the post op pic and see it as an inprovement. I don't know, you still look pretty good, but it's like you lost some masculinity. Again there might still be alot of swelling, so don't take my opinion too serious.

I had surgery in hopes of a better aesthetic outcome (mostly from the side profile) and for functional benefit (overbite and sleep apnea). I played around with some morphing, and didn't see a drastic change in the front creating more width, but it just may be because of the roundness right now. The biggest change was playing around with the cheeks, but unlikely to get anything there changed.

I appreciate the feedback and advice so far. All opinions are welcome. At this stage, I think I'm going to have to try and be patient and wait for the roundness/swelling to pass to get more accurate advice/plan on next steps as it seems to be throwing things off.

[StudyHacks]

NO. Because a BSSO doesn't selectively rotate the jaw angles outward so they stick out like triangles from the front.
NO to Lefort1 making cheek bones more prominent. Because L1 moves the area (forward) below the cheek bones.

Better jaw balance via Lefort 1 and BSSO does not 'mean' better cheek bones and jaw angles that stick out from the front. In fact it's a very common let down for male model wannabees who pursue maxfax  for goals other than better jaw to jaw balance.

I see.

So is it safe to assume that once I've got my bimax and also recovered for the most part (with the majority of the swelling gone), my jaws will look exactly what they look like now, more or less, with the only exception being that if I did a CEPH imaging again, I wouldn't have jaw recession any more according to it?

If that's the case, I'm looking forward to my bimax because implants look like s**t on recessed facial bones, so if I want to look good enough with implants I'll need to fix the recession first.

[kavan]

I see.

So is it safe to assume that once I've got my bimax and also recovered for the most part (with the majority of the swelling gone), my jaws will look exactly what they look like now, more or less, with the only exception being that if I did a CEPH imaging again, I wouldn't have jaw recession any more according to it?

If that's the case, I'm looking forward to my bimax because implants look like s**t on recessed facial bones, so if I want to look good enough with implants I'll need to fix the recession first.

Assume what you want.

[StudyHacks]

Assume what you want.

You seem more knowledgable than me so I thought I'd ask you for directions.

[kavan]

You seem more knowledgable than me so I thought I'd ask you for directions.

As to your question, IF you have jaw imbalance AND your AIM is better jaw (and bite) balance, then the aim would be ALIGNED with what jaw surgery is aimed at bringing about which is better jaw balance.

Moral of story: Don't align your aim for getting jaw surgery for anything else than what it's actually aimed at achieving. If it's too hard to intellectually 'digest' what the aim of it is, then at least try to understand what it's NOT aimed at doing.

From my PRIOR answer to you, it would be safe to INCORPORATE the info I gave into your knowledge base which to repeat is: BSSO is not aimed at rotating jaw angles outward so they stick out from the front and that Lefort 1 isn't aimed at making the cheek bones more prominent.

[StudyHacks]

As to your question, IF you have jaw imbalance AND your AIM is better jaw (and bite) balance, then the aim would be ALIGNED with what jaw surgery is aimed at bringing about which is better jaw balance.

Moral of story: Don't align your aim for getting jaw surgery for anything else than what it's actually aimed at achieving. If it's too hard to intellectually 'digest' what the aim of it is, then at least try to understand what it's NOT aimed at doing.

From my PRIOR answer to you, it would be safe to INCORPORATE the info I gave into your knowledge base which to repeat is: BSSO is not aimed at rotating jaw angles outward so they stick out from the front and that Lefort 1 isn't aimed at making the cheek bones more prominent.

Alright, that's clear

However, it is in fact correct that AESTHETICALLY SPEAKING, it's best to correct (in this case) jaw recession before getting implants, right?

Anecdotally, as a non-expert, all I can say is, I've seen (a certain implant specialist)'s work on many male patients  that were clearly recessed and got implants, and the end results all looked suboptimal.

[StudyHacks]

As to your question, IF you have jaw imbalance AND your AIM is better jaw (and bite) balance, then the aim would be ALIGNED with what jaw surgery is aimed at bringing about which is better jaw balance.

Moral of story: Don't align your aim for getting jaw surgery for anything else than what it's actually aimed at achieving. If it's too hard to intellectually 'digest' what the aim of it is, then at least try to understand what it's NOT aimed at doing.

From my PRIOR answer to you, it would be safe to INCORPORATE the info I gave into your knowledge base which to repeat is: BSSO is not aimed at rotating jaw angles outward so they stick out from the front and that Lefort 1 isn't aimed at making the cheek bones more prominent.

By the way, I'm not so sure regarding one thing here: If jaw surgery mainly serves functional reasons (according to yourself as well) then why does this subforum (aesthetics) exist in the first place?

Wouldn't fixing one's recessed jaws also result in aesthetic improvement as this subforum's existence implies?

[kavan]

By the way, I'm not so sure regarding one thing here: If jaw surgery mainly serves functional reasons (according to yourself as well) then why does this subforum (aesthetics) exist in the first place?

Wouldn't fixing one's recessed jaws also result in aesthetic improvement as this subforum's existence implies?

Form and function are not mutually exclusive and can go together.

[kavan]

Alright, that's clear

However, it is in fact correct that AESTHETICALLY SPEAKING, it's best to correct (in this case) jaw recession before getting implants, right?

Anecdotally, as a non-expert, all I can say is, I've seen (a certain implant specialist)'s work on many male patients  that were clearly recessed and got implants, and the end results all looked suboptimal.

Sure. IF there's actually jaw recession as opposed to SELF assessment of such due to undue influence from male model worship where one perceives self recession based on not having overly prognathic jaws.

[StudyHacks]

Sure. IF there's actually jaw recession as opposed to SELF assessment of such due to undue influence from male model worship where one perceives self recession based on not having overly prognathic jaws.

Is it possible to acquire overly prognathic jaws (while still remaining harmonious / aesthetic) through the combination of jaw surgery and implants?

[kavan]

Is it possible to acquire overly prognathic jaws (while still remaining harmonious / aesthetic) through the combination of jaw surgery and implants?

The moral of the story here is that requests based on PARTS of what a model has where all of the parts a model has, all together are harmonious on the model, can look disharmonious on someone picking and choosing selected parts but not having the other parts the model has for the total harmony.

[StudyHacks]

The moral of the story here is that requests based on PARTS of what a model has where all of the parts a model has, all together are harmonious on the model, can look disharmonious on someone picking and choosing selected parts but not having the other parts the model has for the total harmony.

Of course, you're right