Dr Cansiz vs Dr Pagnoni - Any experiences from anyone?

[SV123]

I need bimax for my recession, SFS and asymmetries via the surgery first route. Does anyone have any experiences with Dr Cansiz from Turkey or Dr Pagnoni from Italy as these are the two surgeons I am interested in.

Dr Cansiz offers bimax with custom plates apparently and they are not too expensive. Would anyone recommend these?

Also I am thinking of showing my plan created by the surgeon that cancelled my surgery to one of these surgeons as inspiration for their plan.

How do you think a surgeon will feel about a patient showing them another surgeon's plan? Would they find this disrespectful?

Thanks

[kavan]

I put both of your questions into one post. That's why you see the second part of your question gone. I entered it into your main post.

[kavan]

As 'inspiration' for their plan? Keep in mind you got a plan where the displacement proposal read out differed from what he told you verbally as to the drop downs associated with anterior and posterior maxilla. Surgeons generally don't mind if you show them the other guy's plan unless you come off as THEY should be 'inspired' by it. Just say something like: 'I brought along my prior proposal if you would like to see it.'

If you did pay for the implant design for the jaw implant, assuming you have the 'directions' for manufacture, I guess you could show them that. However, they might use a different design engineer given that the prior surgeon owned/was sole proprietor of the implant company of your prior design whereas the company with a long track record of custom implant designs and also custom plates is called 'Materialize'.

[SV123]

Hey Kavan,

thanks for the comment. I did not actually get a chance to ask my previous surgeon as to why the stated downgrafts between the simulation image and the measurement table differed. Im sure you remember he cancelled the surgery anyways so it does not matter.

I showed this previous plan to my current go to surgeon and he said it was completely 'crazy' and the amount of posterior downgraft suggested by the Swiss surgeon would 100% leave me with a posterior gummy smile, so he completely dismissed the other surgeon's plan.

Right now, since my OP is only -3 degrees (different from the -7 degrees measured by the previous surgeon's software for SOME reason), I am only getting 1 degree net CCWr.

[kavan]

Hey Kavan,

thanks for the comment. I did not actually get a chance to ask my previous surgeon as to why the stated downgrafts between the simulation image and the measurement table differed. Im sure you remember he cancelled the surgery anyways so it does not matter.

I showed this previous plan to my current go to surgeon and he said it was completely 'crazy' and the amount of posterior downgraft suggested by the Swiss surgeon would 100% leave me with a posterior gummy smile, so he completely dismissed the other surgeon's plan.

Right now, since my OP is only -3 degrees (different from the -7 degrees measured by the previous surgeon's software for SOME reason), I am only getting 1 degree net CCWr.

It's like I said in my prior post. Don't expect them to be 'inspired' by your prior plan.