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General Category => General Chat => Topic started by: deyapretty on August 26, 2015, 05:58:44 PM
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Hi everyone,
I'm quite obsessed with this girl's bone structure... especially the chin.
To me her face is ideal and I wanted to know if it was possible to achieve that with surgery (not talking about the nose and lips, just the jaw and chin).
She doesn't have a long face and seems very well propotionned.
EDIT: pics are attached
Is that result possible?
This is me from profile (left pic... unfortunately)
(https://picoolio.net/images/2015/06/05/WP_20150521_22_55_46_Selfie42eae.md.png)
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Ya the pics don't work. Upload your pics to http://imgur.com, they will auto resize for you.
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i can see the profile. yes absolutely that's possible. might be possible with just genioplasty if you have no teeth problems. otherwise bi-max.
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Sorry, I had to reupload the pics. I've attached them to the original message.
I just wanted to add this one from profile:
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wait that last profile pic is you? You're friggin gorgeous! Get hte f**k off this site!
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wait that last profile pic is you? You're friggin gorgeous! Get hte f**k off this site!
Nah the last picture is that girl's profile
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"Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way." - Leo Tolstoy
That girl is basically the universal model standard. Open any catalogue and they all look alike: hight cheekbones, big forward jaws, tall ramus, short upper lip, vertical ramus, horizontally long, vertically short almond-shaped eyes with outer corners ideally higher than the inner corners. Man or woman.
With some kind of jaw rotation, chin wing, lip lift and maybe zygomatic osteotomy you will get closer to that facial type, but not replicate it.
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"Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way." - Leo Tolstoy
I didn't understand your quote.
wow that's crazy :(
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I didn't understand your quote.
wow that's crazy :(
All extraordinarily beautiful people look pretty much the same.
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I' confused and not sure which one you even are!
I can see 3 pics in the OP (head on, 3/4 profile, and standing with hands on hips)
Are any of these you?
And then another pic in your reply number 4 (which I think you said isn't you)
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I' confused and not sure which one you even are!
I can see 3 pics in the OP (head on, 3/4 profile, and standing with hands on hips)
Are any of these you?
And then another pic in your reply number 4 (which I think you said isn't you)
Ok, I think you can't see the one I posted of myself.
(https://picoolio.net/images/2015/06/05/WP_20150521_22_55_46_Selfie42eae.md.png) <-- this one (I'm the one on the left, the right one is a morphed one)
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yeah of course this can be achieved .you probably just need a genio.
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yeah of course this can be achieved .you probably just need a genio.
I think I also need braces. My brother just said that I almost looked like a chimp. He said that my upper lip was way too long and was pulling hard in order to close the mouth. "You should not close your mouth actually..." (that's what he said).
I didn't even ask him anything. :/
I edited a morphed picture of myself. Definitely a shorter lip to nose space would be a plus.
(sorry for the creepy effect on the eyes :s )
(http://img11.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_902001creep.png) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=902001creep.png)
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I think you are being hard on yourself and siblings can sometimes be the worst!!!!
You have incredibly beautiful lips that women pay big money to emmulate.
In fact, you have many fine and attractive features.
Could some changes to balance in your face make what some would call improvements? Possibly. If you never did a thing, you'd still be a pretty woman for a man to have on his arm.
Side note: This whole looks thing, I think, is even more brutal on women than men. There is a lot of pressure on women to have a certain look or be a certain size and its a shame as society discards the beauty that is present in so many women which (again just my humble opionion) are God's most beautiful creations.
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@Tom2 That picture has been retouched but I appreciate your comments.
@Lazlo I'm considering the genio but I've been told on this forum to avoid at all costs a sliding genio because it would elongate my face (chin brought downwards). You mean a genio with a silicon implant? Wouldn't that worsen the mentalis strain?
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^Hey! sorry I didn't respond in a PM after your send the photo from the front.
Regarding mentalis strain... it depends. Sometimes you do see the strain being eliminated or reduced after a sliding genioplasty. However if the lip competence (gap between your lips at rest with teeth together) is really excessive, a genio will probably not be sufficient.
Mentalis strain from lip incompetence is multifactorial. It's often both an issue of your upper jaw growing too long causing excess upper incisor display/"short" upper lip and the posture/length of the lower lip (which is influenced by mandibular deficiency and occlusion plane). In addition, the lower lip tends to be very self-supporting which is why you sometimes see people with really recessed chin or steep occlusal plans have lower lips that are still well formed.
A sliding genioplasty will not elongate your face if it's a horizontal movement, in fact it will likely shorten it slightly (absolute terms as the chin point will usually be higher than before) while making your chin more prominent. And the surgeon could do some slight upward tipping of the sliced bone to make your chin/lip to move more up and closer to your top lip.
Genuinely vertically long chins (not just appearing long due to downward recession like yours probably) are usually seen in Class III cases aka underbite although it can exist in class I/II's. Which a vertical reduction genioplasty can be done if needed where the removed a slice of chin bone with or without changing the chin horizontally.
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^Hey! sorry I didn't respond in a PM after your send the photo from the front.
Regarding mentalis strain... it depends. Sometimes you do see the strain being eliminated or reduced after a sliding genioplasty. However if the lip competence (gap between your lips at rest with teeth together) is really excessive, a genio will probably not be sufficient.
Mentalis strain from lip incompetence is multifactorial. It's often both an issue of your upper jaw growing too long causing excess upper incisor display/"short" upper lip and the posture/length of the lower lip (which is influenced by mandibular deficiency and occlusion plane). In addition, the lower lip tends to be very self-supporting which is why you sometimes see people with really recessed chin or steep occlusal plans have lower lips that are still well formed.
A sliding genioplasty will not elongate your face if it's a horizontal movement, in fact it will likely shorten it slightly (absolute terms as the chin point will usually be higher than before) while making your chin more prominent. And the surgeon could do some slight upward tipping of the sliced bone to make your chin/lip to move more up and closer to your top lip.
Genuinely vertically long chins (not just appearing long due to downward recession like yours probably) are usually seen in Class III cases aka underbite although it can exist in class I/II's. Which a vertical reduction genioplasty can be done if needed where the removed a slice of chin bone with or without changing the chin horizontally.
Sorry I hadn't seen your post...
Are you talking about my case (from the pictures) or in general?
The whole surgery is starting to scare me and I'm considering orthodontics but I don't think I will see a much difference. The orthodontist tried to show me pictures of patients who had more or less the same teeth and mouth "features" and the before and after wasn't that noticeable (especially from the front).
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Sorry I hadn't seen your post...
Are you talking about my case (from the pictures) or in general?
The whole surgery is starting to scare me and I'm considering orthodontics but I don't think I will see a much difference. The orthodontist tried to show me pictures of patients who had more or less the same teeth and mouth "features" and the before and after wasn't that noticeable (especially from the front).
I was talking about both your case and in general in regards to jaw issues of your kind.
It is highly unlikely orthodontics will address your issues. Only jaw surgery can fully address where the abnormal growth occurred in yours jaws and correct it.
And a horizontal advancement genioplasty will camouflage it by improve your profile and probably reducing the "longness" you see and possibly reduce the gap between your lips at rest.
I think I said this before, you don't have a long upper lip. When you close your lips it elongates because you have some lip incompetence so you're forcing it. You already have quite a youthful look and your lips being thick enhance that.
If you had just a lip shortening procedure, yes it would reduce that distance that you dislike but you also will worsen your lip incompetence because your upper lip would be even farther from your lower lip. So when you'd force your lips closed, your chin would strain even harder. You don't want that right?