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General Category => General Chat => Topic started by: Eroica on June 15, 2012, 03:51:44 PM
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After your orthognathic surgery is done, do you plan on having any more aesthetic surgeries?
In my case, I will definitely:
1. Need my chin lengthened via genioplasty, while adding minimal horizontal projection. I should be able to get this done at the same time as my jaw surgery.
2. Need to augment my deficient frontal orbital rim area, without adding any width to this area as it is already quite broad and flaring. I will have to travel to the United States for this as I know of no surgeons in Europe who are skilled with the placement of orbital rim implants.
And I might:
1. Get a conservative rhinoplasty. This depends on how my nose looks after my jaw surgery. I like my nose overall but, like many people with a deficient maxillary area, there is a slight crook in the profile view.
2. Get jaw implants. This is a big "maybe" since my jaw already has a good V-shaped contour, it's just slightly narrower than I would like.
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Absolutely. I'm planning to get a lot more surgery after jaw surgery. I would get several procedures now, but jaw surgery will change my face so dramatically that I'd rather wait. Also, I'll likely be getting several cosmetic procedures during jaw surgery (chin advancement, cheek grafts, and jaw grafts).
Here's what I'm planning after jaw surgery:
1. Rhinoplasty
- My nose is a mess. It's overprojected, crooked, long, and humped. Jaw surgery will improve it to some extent, but I will undoubtedly need a rhinioplasty to get the nose I want.
2. Otoplasty
- My earlobes are really big, and my ears are a bit asymmetrical. I'm definitely getting my earlobes reduced, and I might get an otoplasty, depending on what my surgeon thinks.
3. Orbital rim augmentation
- My orbital area is really lacking, and the skin around it is already sagging. I'll probably get some HA grafts inserted into this area, unless Dr. Arnett can do it during jaw surgery
4. Brow augmentation and brow lowering
- My brow area is really weak and my eyebrows are too thin, high, and arched. I'd like to get my eyebrows lowered and build up the bone in this area.
5. Zygomatic Osteotomies
- I'll get this procedure only if the HA grafts fail to augment my cheekbones enough
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After your orthognathic surgery is done, do you plan on having any more aesthetic surgeries?
In my case, I will definitely:
1. Need my chin lengthened via genioplasty, while adding minimal horizontal projection. I should be able to get this done at the same time as my jaw surgery.
2. Need to augment my deficient frontal orbital rim area, without adding any width to this area as it is already quite broad and flaring. I will have to travel to the United States for this as I know of no surgeons in Europe who are skilled with the placement of orbital rim implants.
And I might:
1. Get a conservative rhinoplasty. This depends on how my nose looks after my jaw surgery. I like my nose overall but, like many people with a deficient maxillary area, there is a slight crook in the profile view.
2. Get jaw implants. This is a big "maybe" since my jaw already has a good V-shaped contour, it's just slightly narrower than I would like.
Have you looked into Dr. Mommaerts? He's one of the top surgeons in the world and will definitely able to perform orbital rim augmentation: http://www.mauricemommaerts.eu/
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I have contacted him (infact I've considered having my surgery with him - great guy). He can augment the orbital rims but from what he told me he doesn't do the soft-tissue work (midface lift), which means I'll still be left with too much scleral show. Reducing the scleral show is my primary reason for pursuing orbital rim augmentation.
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I have contacted him (infact I've considered having my surgery with him - great guy). He can augment the orbital rims but from what he told me he doesn't do the soft-tissue work (midface lift), which means I'll still be left with too much scleral show. Reducing the scleral show is my primary reason for pursuing orbital rim augmentation.
Does Mommaerts use silicone or HA for orbital rim augmentation? What's your preference between the two?
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HA, which along with porex is imo far preferable to silicone as the osseointegration is far better. That said I've seen excellent results from silicone implants.
In my case I intend to go to Dr. Yaremchuk in Boston for the orbital rim augmentation.
http://www.dryaremchuk.com/english/infraorbital-rim-implants.htm
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HA, which along with porex is imo far preferable to silicone as the osseointegration is far better. That said I've seen excellent results from silicone implants.
In my case I intend to go to Dr. Yaremchuk in Boston for the orbital rim augmentation.
http://www.dryaremchuk.com/english/infraorbital-rim-implants.htm
I'm familiar with him as well. I remember looking at him for implants to enhance the results of orthognathic surgery. However, doesn't he use silicone implants instead of other materials?
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I'm familiar with him as well. I remember looking at him for implants to enhance the results of orthognathic surgery. However, doesn't he use silicone implants instead of other materials?
He uses porex. I've seen some great results from his work on various PS forums around the net.
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I'll probably be getting blue eye laser surgery once it becomes available overseas (it will take at least 2 extra years to come to the U.S., and I can't wait that long).
Here's an article about it: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57319351-71/the-laser-that-turns-brown-eyes-blue/
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Whites showing below the pupil of the eye. It's not necessarily a flaw, stereotypical "bedroom eyes" usually have a little. I just have too much of it.
My eyes are kinda like Robert Pattinson's
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tWWkCZZZ3kw/TXvgeCQlGqI/AAAAAAAAHPw/I06XHlga0cE/0006-matt-sayles6.jpg)
Hmmmmm, I like bedroom eyes. Pattinson's scleral show is considered too much?
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You guys are getting crazy. That guy is hot. His eyes are a big part of what make him hot. Those are bedroom eyes and girls love that.
There is nothing that is more of a turn off than a guy that is obsessed with his own looks. Jaw issues is one thing. I am all for improving yourself like that but I think it is a very slippery slope when you pick apart every little perceived flaw.
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You guys are getting crazy. That guy is hot. His eyes are a big part of what make him hot. Those are bedroom eyes and girls love that.
There is nothing that is more of a turn off than a guy that is obsessed with his own looks. Jaw issues is one thing. I am all for improving yourself like that but I think it is a very slippery slope when you pick apart every little perceived flaw.
I'm actually not obsessed with my looks, and I've never had any problem attracting girls. I'm less vain than your average guy where I live who dreams of flashy cars, buys designer clothing and pays premium for a nice haircut every other month.
I actually have a medically notable amount of deficiency in my orbital rims, which a number of maxillofacial surgeons I've consulted have commented upon. I'm not looking to change who I am. I'm correcting a deficiency, just like everyone else here.
Don't judge when you don't know the full story.
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I'm actually not obsessed with my looks, and I've never had any problem attracting girls. I'm less vain than your average guy where I live who dreams of flashy cars, buys designer clothing and pays premium for a nice haircut every other month.
I actually have a medically notable amount of deficiency in my orbital rims, which a number of maxillofacial surgeons I've consulted have commented upon. I'm not looking to change who I am. I'm correcting a deficiency, just like everyone else here.
Don't judge when you don't know the full story.
I am not judging you and I certainly don't mean to insult you. I know what you are talking about with the eyes being pulled down sometimes from the jaws being retruded. I think in that actors case his eyes look great. I am saying that as humans we tend to pick ourselves apart to much and sometimes "flaws" In relation to the big picture make someone attractive. Also surgeons and doctors will pick out every defect from a text book standpoint. Anyone who went to a plastic surgeon for a consult would hear of things aesthetically wrong with them that really are just fine or even endearing.
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You guys are getting crazy. That guy is hot. His eyes are a big part of what make him hot. Those are bedroom eyes and girls love that.
There is nothing that is more of a turn off than a guy that is obsessed with his own looks. Jaw issues is one thing. I am all for improving yourself like that but I think it is a very slippery slope when you pick apart every little perceived flaw.
Well said, Kristen.
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I find it really funny that people who've had major craniofacial surgeries that they've spent thousands of dollars on for, let's face it, largely cosmetic reasons are criticising others for vanity on this forum. I'd have thought this would be the last place where one would find such criticisms.
All of my aesthetic issues are a direct result of having underdeveloped jaws. Correcting an underdeveloped midface is just an extension of correcting the jaw positioning. I'm not trying to look like anything other than a corrected version of myself.
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I'd rather have a weak jaw than bug eyes. Everyone has different preferences though but with the amount of surgeries a few of you have been discussing...you're gonna spend 10 years post op healing. I'd imagine the more trauma you put your face through the longer it takes to heal
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Interesting topic. Just had this discussion with a buddy planning for jaw surgery as well.... Is this IT after jaw surgery?
In my case with aesthetics probably no, maybe a rhino for my dorsal hump but that should be about it. Oh and lasik because my eyes are driving me mad.
There are so many BEAUTIFUL women out there- and I need to set a limit or else I will shred myself to pieces mentally. On a bad day Im like yeah I should get cheek implants, and BA and this and that, but I sit and think... I know that I will never look like certain models, celebrities, whomever and I can live with that. I'd just like to be a better version of me :) Im learning, that there is a lot more to life in general than this face, I dont want it to be the source of my misery and fixation.
I understand that many people here are upset with various elements of their face. My advice, take it slowly with surgeries and whatnot, and dont let your mind tear you to shreds. You are MUCH more than your face.
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HOLY s**t. I didn't know there was a word for this!!! One of the few cosmetic flaws which I find completely intolerable
Some people call them bedroom eyes but to me they look dopey
Really? The most beautiful eyes generally have slightly more scleral show than average (but not too much)
(http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd172/LUCASDMITRA/ClaudiaCardinale-1.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dHZF5Qzjv7g/TiSggCt_WwI/AAAAAAAABFY/9KYkAaCDuMI/s1600/lauren%252Bbacall1.jpg)
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i believe this eye thing is really really attractive.
i love it both in males and females!
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The most important thing in improving your own appearance through orthognathic or cosmetic surgery is learning to be able to view your own face objectively and (relatively) un-emotionally. I first noticed my aesthetic issues at age 14 or so. I'm now 20 and haven't changed anything, because I needed to be certain on exactly what needed to be done. I've now narrowed it all down to 2-4 procedures.
People who end up with poor results or plastic surgery addiction are usually hysterical and impulsive to begin with, and tend to have ridiculously high expectations.
Yeah, doing your research is critical to getting a successful outcome. I've seen so many people with severe bimaxillary retrusion who get rhinoplasties and chin implants but still look terrible. I was actually going to do this until I was informed during my consultation that I would need jaw surgery to truly fix my problems. An irresponsible surgeon would have operated on me without telling me about other options.
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Yeah, I often see people treated with PS who really needed orthognathic surgery. It's shameful that plastic surgeons will often not inform patients of their underlying skeletal issues, which most of these surgeons are well aware of, and will instead sell them unneccessary plastic surgery.
(http://www.justformenplasticsurgery.com/photos/chin-lat-l-before-01.jpg)(http://www.justformenplasticsurgery.com/photos/chin-lat-l-after-01.jpg)
(http://dkm80tng5uqm9.cloudfront.net/340/13c3fefb8dbdfe496a343a9dbae80046/Chin-Implant-before-301351.jpg)
(http://www.plasticsurgeryoftheface.com/photos/chin-aug-lat-l-bef.jpg)(http://www.plasticsurgeryoftheface.com/photos/chin-aug-lat-l-aft.jpg)
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This is one of the worst I've seen. Funny thing is, the surgeon uses this patient as his chief example on his website.
(http://www.drphilipyoung.com/images/beforeandafter/Chin-Implant-01-5-Before.jpg)
(http://www.drphilipyoung.com/images/beforeandafter/Chin-Implant-01-6-After.jpg)
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bacall was a knockout
but genreally speaking i do not like them
i like almond eyes or doey eyes or deep set eyes (random i know)
slightly downturned eyes are pretty too. in a sad way, i like them.
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Oh man, I could go on and on about procedures that compensate for underlying skeletal discrepancies. Makes me happy I didn't have the money when I was 20 to get a chin implant; I then had time to research my real issues and figure out that maxfax is what I really needed. It's sad that some plastic surgeons advocate these procedures to patients who don't know about their real issues.
There is nothing better than fixing problems at their source. For instance, I would love to get an FUE hair transplant someday but I hate that it doesn't fix the underlying issue which is the buildup of DHT at the hair roots.
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Thankfully I noticed very early that I wasn't a candidate for chin augmentation. Though I have a class II bite, my chin meets my lower lip line, meaning the only way to improve my profile is through orthognathic surgery.
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Good observations and examples.
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Now here is an example of great plastic surgery... her midfacial structure was really recessed before. She had multiple midface implants (likely orbital rim, malar, paranasal, submalar)
(http://www.ramirezmd.com/images/slide_show/DramaticMakeoverSlide.jpg)
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After your orthognathic surgery is done, do you plan on having any more aesthetic surgeries?
In my case, I will definitely:
1. Need my chin lengthened via genioplasty, while adding minimal horizontal projection. I should be able to get this done at the same time as my jaw surgery.
2. Need to augment my deficient frontal orbital rim area, without adding any width to this area as it is already quite broad and flaring. I will have to travel to the United States for this as I know of no surgeons in Europe who are skilled with the placement of orbital rim implants.
And I might:
1. Get a conservative rhinoplasty. This depends on how my nose looks after my jaw surgery. I like my nose overall but, like many people with a deficient maxillary area, there is a slight crook in the profile view.
2. Get jaw implants. This is a big "maybe" since my jaw already has a good V-shaped contour, it's just slightly narrower than I would like.
smarter to consolidate as many necessary procedures during the orthognathic surgery - for example augmenting the orbital rim, cheeks, and chin can all be done during orthognathic surgery.
i say this because after jaw surgery, the wait time for another surgery is typically a year. probably pinning back the ears wouldn't count though because that's a relatively minor op.
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Absolutely. I'm planning to get a lot more surgery after jaw surgery. I would get several procedures now, but jaw surgery will change my face so dramatically that I'd rather wait. Also, I'll likely be getting several cosmetic procedures during jaw surgery (chin advancement, cheek grafts, and jaw grafts).
Here's what I'm planning after jaw surgery:
1. Rhinoplasty
- My nose is a mess. It's overprojected, crooked, long, and humped. Jaw surgery will improve it to some extent, but I will undoubtedly need a rhinioplasty to get the nose I want.
2. Otoplasty
- My earlobes are really big, and my ears are a bit asymmetrical. I'm definitely getting my earlobes reduced, and I might get an otoplasty, depending on what my surgeon thinks.
3. Orbital rim augmentation
- My orbital area is really lacking, and the skin around it is already sagging. I'll probably get some HA grafts inserted into this area, unless Dr. Arnett can do it during jaw surgery
4. Brow augmentation and brow lowering
- My brow area is really weak and my eyebrows are too thin, high, and arched. I'd like to get my eyebrows lowered and build up the bone in this area.
5. Zygomatic Osteotomies
- I'll get this procedure only if the HA grafts fail to augment my cheekbones enough
Who have you heard does zygomatic osteotomies!? Would love to know!!!
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smarter to consolidate as many necessary procedures during the orthognathic surgery - for example augmenting the orbital rim, cheeks, and chin can all be done during orthognathic surgery.
i say this because after jaw surgery, the wait time for another surgery is typically a year. probably pinning back the ears wouldn't count though because that's a relatively minor op.
A top maxfax/PS told me three months wait after jaw surgery would be fine for facial implants.
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A top maxfax/PS told me three months wait after jaw surgery would be fine for facial implants.
Call me crazy, but that sounds insane. But, what do I know?
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All I have to say about this thread is...be careful! With every surgery comes an increase in scar tissue. Also, it is very possible to have too much surgery. Less is more IMO. I could pick apart my face very easily but after jaw surgery I highly doubt ill get anything invasive done again. I think everyone needs to reach a "good enough for me" level because your face is living tissue and you can't just keep cutting into it again and again.
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CK and Neferkitti - that's just for upper face implants, for the lower face stuff you have to wait a bit longer.
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CK and Neferkitti - that's just for upper face implants, for the lower face stuff you have to wait a bit longer.
Whether upper, lower or two jaw surgery, that swelling will not be down enough to properly plan the size, shape and/or location of implants. That would be my concern, aesthetically speaking. Then there's the trauma from jaw surgery. I personally do not like the idea of implants. But, if it must be done, I think it wise to wait a full year post-op.
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jack: but don't you want to be george clooney? or that guy from fight club?
This site is causing to lose my self-esteem. I began thinking I was a 7, then through all the narcissism and self-obsession promoted by thinking about all this and analyzing my face, I decided to demote myself to a 6. Today I realized that my nose is fleshy and a bit out of whack, and so I have an announcement to make people:
I have reassessed things and I've decided I'm no longer a 6, but a 5. Hell, I'm going to shave off a .5 off of that right now because 5 suggests "average" and someone who needs so much surgery to look better could in no way be "average". So I am in fact a 4.5. Deeeeeee-f**king-preeeessing.
Why lord, why hast thou forsaken me? George Clooney? Ha ha CK, I'll be lucky if I get David Schwimmer.... : (((
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i agree, and a sensible surgeon should as well. plus, after jaw surgery your face probably isn't going to be 100% until 1 year out. so why get implants 3 months after when residual swelling or possibly major swelling is still going on? the implant may look nice then...but at one year the trauma from the jaw surgery is gone and the implant could be off.
im sure a PS will push implants because hey, more $$$.
He's not just a PS, rather a famous craniofacial surgeon.
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Just be careful. Most of the time jaw surgery leads to a natural result because it simply puts things where they would have been if not for a growth disturbance. It gets murkier when you start getting into implants. Some faces just arent meant for certain features, and its possible to end up with what is considered a more clinically attractive look but at the same time have something look "off" or unnatural.
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Just be careful. Most of the time jaw surgery leads to a natural result because it simply puts things where they would have been if not for a growth disturbance. It gets murkier when you start getting into implants. Some faces just arent meant for certain features, and its possible to end up with what is considered a more clinically attractive look but at the same time have something look "off" or unnatural.
I mean that's for sure. I saw a woman just now at whole foods and she looks totally like a Cat --what the hell produced that result??? Don't worry guys --an otoplasty is not a big deal, no damage there, and all I want with a rhinoplasty is something very, very conservative just to slightly refine and elevate the tip. Suborbital implants or HA none of this is a big deal. There's another site called MISS J's cosmetic surgery forum and I've read and seen many, many people have work like this and some much more extensive stuff and the results look VERY, VERY natural and impressive. Honestly. I'm so picky that I would never, ever consider something that did not look 100 percent natural. But I thank you all for the concern. Yes, tdawg you are right, that's why i opted for jaw surgery instead of implants for chin and jawline.
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Just be careful. Most of the time jaw surgery leads to a natural result because it simply puts things where they would have been if not for a growth disturbance. It gets murkier when you start getting into implants. Some faces just arent meant for certain features, and its possible to end up with what is considered a more clinically attractive look but at the same time have something look "off" or unnatural.
I actually feel the opposite. I think jaw surgery is very risky because the changes are so dramatic, especially when large movements in both jaws are performed. Also, I've noticed that people with underdeveloped jaws tend to have pretty weak faces overall, so large jaws often look out of place. I think rhinoplasties and chin augmentations are much more straightforward and are less likely to produce unnatural results than jaw surgery. Unfortunately, jaw surgery is the only option for people with major aesthetic problems in the lower face.
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People with long-face syndrome specifically do often seem to have other problems like underdeveloped foreheads, narrow temples etc... I think there's often an abormal growth pattern that effects the entire facial structure, not just the jaws.
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Does anyone think this underdevelopment of facial structure can be improved by using growth hormones? I know people will say that is dangerous, but to me surgery seems just as dangerous. I've heard hormones can make the facial bones (cheeks, forehead and jaws) thicken and widen. A lot of professional sports people use them, I think they are prevalent in baseball for instance. Not to mention bodybuilders, hollywood actors etc. If they can use these drugs why can't we?
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Does anyone think this underdevelopment of facial structure can be improved by using growth hormones? I know people will say that is dangerous, but to me surgery seems just as dangerous. I've heard hormones can make the facial bones (cheeks, forehead and jaws) thicken and widen. A lot of professional sports people use them, I think they are prevalent in baseball for instance. Not to mention bodybuilders, hollywood actors etc. If they can use these drugs why can't we?
I've wondered the same thing, and I think the answer is yes -- growth hormones would probably make the facial bones more robust but definitely wouldn't be an alternative to jaw surgery (which is needed to lengthen and reposition bones). I've been wanting to try growth hormones to improve my facial features and make them more masculine. It also seems that the rest of the bones in my body are underdeveloped in width, and growth hormones would probably improve that. I suspect there is a significant link between bone development in the face and bone development throughout the body. People with underdeveloped jaws and faces probably have thinner bones everywhere else.
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Man this is getting weird.
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yeah i have weak bones most places so i think jaw surgery (complications aside) would be a waste on me. it might even look odd.
has anyone here tested their igf-1?
i know a girl who started taking all kinds of hormones (for eds) like testosterone..dhea (not igf tho), and while her connective tissues became stronger she started having arrhythmias (!) and acne.
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now that i think about it im really curious what my igf-1 is. i might order a test myself, you can do this on the internet w/o a doc but im sure it's low, and it's not like im going to supplement so what's the point
i drank a ton of milk as a kid tho
http://www.slideshare.net/ancestralhealth/ahs-slidespedro-bastos-8827808 (http://www.slideshare.net/ancestralhealth/ahs-slidespedro-bastos-8827808)
is a HUGE slide set on milk and igf-1. i dont have the attn span to read it now :x
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People with long-face syndrome specifically do often seem to have other problems like underdeveloped foreheads, narrow temples etc... I think there's often an abormal growth pattern that effects the entire facial structure, not just the jaws.
Can you provide an example of an underdeveloped forehead and narrow temples? I think some of the confusion if because some people naturally have dolichofacial features as a result of their genes, and they look fine. Not every man is going to have a square 90 degree angle jawline. And if you try to force that on somebody who has a natural dolichofacial pattern(no growth disturbance) it would probably look terrible, even if it is "correct"
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Does anyone think this underdevelopment of facial structure can be improved by using growth hormones? I know people will say that is dangerous, but to me surgery seems just as dangerous. I've heard hormones can make the facial bones (cheeks, forehead and jaws) thicken and widen. A lot of professional sports people use them, I think they are prevalent in baseball for instance. Not to mention bodybuilders, hollywood actors etc. If they can use these drugs why can't we?
Just look at Giambi and McGuire. Their facial structure changed. Of course you could always end up like Bonds and have the biggest head in existence. Another thing to consider besides the health risk and unpredictable results is the fact that it is illegal except for medical purposes.
Honestly I think it would be a terrible idea.
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Can you provide an example of an underdeveloped forehead and narrow temples? I think some of the confusion if because some people naturally have dolichofacial features as a result of their genes, and they look fine. Not every man is going to have a square 90 degree angle jawline. And if you try to force that on somebody who has a natural dolichofacial pattern(no growth disturbance) it would probably look terrible, even if it is "correct"
I absolutely agree, but abnormally narrow or receding foreheads/temples are usually found on people with either long-face syndrome or severe open bites in my experience. This guy is a good example.
http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0889540610010012-gr1.jpg (http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0889540610010012-gr1.jpg)
Here is a severe example from an individual with syndromal jaw issues.
http://www.drclauser.com/media/immagini/pix/Nuovi%20casi/Immagine1weswqe.jpg (http://www.drclauser.com/media/immagini/pix/Nuovi%20casi/Immagine1weswqe.jpg)
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That's the most disgusting set of teeth I've ever seen. Bad parenting?
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Just look at Giambi and McGuire. Their facial structure changed. Of course you could always end up like Bonds and have the biggest head in existence. Another thing to consider besides the health risk and unpredictable results is the fact that it is illegal except for medical purposes.
Honestly I think it would be a terrible idea.
I need a bigger head, that's the whole point. My head is too small right now. I think if I had jaw surgery and took hormones I could maybe achieve that look. I know of no other way to grow your head than doing this. I'm dying from being a nerd right now, so what have I got to lose.
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That's the most disgusting set of teeth I've ever seen. Bad parenting?
He actually has amelogenesis imperfecta, basically a genetic disorder of the enamel.
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I've wondered the same thing, and I think the answer is yes -- growth hormones would probably make the facial bones more robust but definitely wouldn't be an alternative to jaw surgery (which is needed to lengthen and reposition bones). I've been wanting to try growth hormones to improve my facial features and make them more masculine. It also seems that the rest of the bones in my body are underdeveloped in width, and growth hormones would probably improve that. I suspect there is a significant link between bone development in the face and bone development throughout the body. People with underdeveloped jaws and faces probably have thinner bones everywhere else.
I've been thinking along these lines for a while now. Getting jaw surgery then taking hgh for a few years, and combining this with some serious work out routines. I'm not sure whether it's possible to go from complete geek to badass by doing this, but I can't live the rest of my life never knowing.
I don't understand why people are so anti-drugs on this forum. Every muscle guy actor who ever worked in hollywood took drugs. Schwarzenegger, Stallone they all made millions doing this. I'm not a meathead who wants to blow up his body to be in the movies I just want to look and feel normal.
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He actually has amelogenesis imperfecta, basically a genetic disorder of the enamel.
His teeth look like the toenails of weird old tramp or something. It's quite grotesque.
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I've been thinking along these lines for a while now. Getting jaw surgery then taking hgh for a few years, and combining this with some serious work out routines. I'm not sure whether it's possible to go from complete geek to badass by doing this, but I can't live the rest of my life never knowing.
I don't understand why people are so anti-drugs on this forum. Every muscle guy actor who ever worked in hollywood took drugs. Schwarzenegger, Stallone they all made millions doing this. I'm not a meathead who wants to blow up his body to be in the movies I just want to look and feel normal.
I support you in your ambitions. But I wouldn't jump on the HGH bandwagon right now. HGH is also released when you do heavy lifting. The first thing I'd suggest is get the "WESTSIDE BARBELL ROUTINE" and start powerlifting religiously. Build some serious mass then think of drugs a year or two down the line. Cause if you're young and you take HGH and then stop it may suppress your body's own ability to do so. Also start a serious yoga routine(like every morning) Eat high quality protein (eggs, fish, beef, etc.). Build a foundation before you start using drugs. Get your jaw surgery, then assess whether you think the HGH will help build your facial bone structure. By the way, where are you getting all this stuff that HGH will build your facial bones. Do you have any evidence?
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Hgh idea seems like too little too late for your head :)
But drinking milk/ protein working out etc will naturally increase it...maybe prevent further issues since your bones do change over time
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I basically want the jawline and cheekbones of this guy. Do you think HA paste or an osteotomy of that area could produce such a cheekbone contour if you're deficient?
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I've looked at the forum but never posted. I actually found it looking for stuff on Arnett/Gunson, some of their patients pics were posted there.
And yeah, alot of them talk about s**t like that.
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I feel sorry for anyone who regularly uses that forum because it's frankly depressing and will fill your mind with falsehoods.
I hate to ask you this, but which part?
I'm not entirely sure about the nature of PUA (I don't watch MTV), but would you disagree with the assertion that at a certain point (aesthetically speaking) acceptance by members of the opposite sex becomes significantly more difficult?
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Thanks. See you sooner than that I'm sure.
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Jack why are you bothering to actually TELL us you're 'leaving'? It's weird. Odd that you need to draw attention to your imminent absence – and with a parting insult. Lovely. Also great to know you expect support from this forum when it'll suit you.
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Well guys, these discussions are becoming a little too pointless for my taste. I'm going to take a break from this forum till I actually have my consultation with Arnett and Gunson. I'll probably log back in and ask you guys what I should ask them and stuff.
Please don't go, Jack. I find your posts, so, well, entertaining :D.
Seriously.
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Yeah chemical imbalances are entertaining. Im sure he's at least lurking :)
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Is there a correlation between jaw deformities and neuroses
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Im sure he's at least lurking :)
Can almost guarantee that he is.
Hi Jack ;D.
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Sharptoys - Oh, I certainly believe physical appearances can hold you back in the world of dating and relationships, no doubt. But these guys go way overboard. Typical posts on puahate include statements such as "If you have a long midface, you're screwed. You'll never get a girlfriend". They just don't live in the real world. The pictures of guys they love to post as examples of "losers" who will be "lifelong virgins" often look just like guys I see IRL who are dating or married to beautiful women and are happy and succesful.
From what I've seen, men's success in dating is strongly correlated with their facial attractiveness. I don't know any attractive men who struggle to find girlfriends while I know quite a few ugly guys who have never dated. Now, I don't believe a guy has to be good looking to get a girlfriend -- I just believe he can't be very ugly. Men in the bottom 5% or so of attractiveness are pretty much shut out of the dating market. I think a lot of men are waking up to this, which is one of the reasons we are seeing so many more men getting facial surgery. I know a popular plastic surgery forum where several guys are going through exactly what I'm describing, and I also know of a 22-year-old guy on JSB who had jaw surgery to fix his severe overbite and got his first girlfriend just three months after surgery. So I don't think it's extreme to say that for a small proportion of men, looks are holding them back from entering the dating world. Surgery is really the only hope for some of them.