Author Topic: What surgery should I get as a 15 year old girl?  (Read 3446 times)

helloitsme

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 2
  • Karma: 0
What surgery should I get as a 15 year old girl?
« on: January 06, 2016, 04:57:29 PM »
I'm very insecure about my jawline and my chin, I really want to get a surgery to fix them.I've been wearing invisalign and will stop the treatment this year and i don't have an overbite/underbite.I do however have a slight lisp and have trouble keeping my lips closed at night. I really want to do something and make my face look normal.What do you guys suggest?

[attachment deleted by admin]

[attachment deleted by admin]

Optimistic

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 579
  • Karma: 18
  • Gender: Male
  • I am class I
Re: What surgery should I get as a 15 year old girl?
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2016, 06:21:43 PM »
I'm very insecure about my jawline and my chin, I really want to get a surgery to fix them.I've been wearing invisalign and will stop the treatment this year and i don't have an overbite/underbite.I do however have a slight lisp and have trouble keeping my lips closed at night. I really want to do something and make my face look normal.What do you guys suggest?

At 15 there is a good chance you'll get SOME benefit from strictly following what someone like Dr Mike Mew says, regarding tongue posture, chewing gum, swallowing technique, and head posture. Look up his videos on YouTube! Also check out the website claiming power which has lots of good info.

Outside of that your best bet is probably going to be to get some scans taken and then send those off to a bunch of surgeons around the world to get their opinion. Arnett & Gunson seem to be well respect, as is Dr Sinn. Depends where you live really.
01/10/14 - Last night I spilt spaghetti sauce on my chin for the very first time in my life and cried.

kjohnt

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 387
  • Karma: 26
Re: What surgery should I get as a 15 year old girl?
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2016, 11:28:49 PM »
You may have to wait until you're an adult and fully developed before you can take corrective action via surgery.  This is certainly not what a 15 year old kid wants to hear - I know I wouldn't have - but your facial bones aren't done growing.

Consult with a reputable jaw surgeon for a professional opinion as he or she may disagree with what I've written.  And practicing good oral posture as Optimistic wrote certainly couldn't hurt.


molestrip

  • Private
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 735
  • Karma: 40
Re: What surgery should I get as a 15 year old girl?
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2016, 10:46:05 AM »
At 15 there is a good chance you'll get SOME benefit from strictly following what someone like Dr Mike Mew says, regarding tongue posture, chewing gum, swallowing technique, and head posture. Look up his videos on YouTube! Also check out the website claiming power which has lots of good info.

I wholly disagree, especially with the chewing gum comment. With her facial structure and sex, she needs to minimize load on the joint.

Quote
Outside of that your best bet is probably going to be to get some scans taken and then send those off to a bunch of surgeons around the world to get their opinion. Arnett & Gunson seem to be well respect, as is Dr Sinn. Depends where you live really.

No 15yo should be making surgical decisions. The time she's likely mature enough to make a major surgical decision like this is early 20s and it happens to be the time that she can be certain development has stopped. Strictly speaking, however, she'd be eligible for surgery next year but as we know many of those cases still relapse, even in women. There is one item it's VERY URGENT and important for her to be evaluated for right now: her transverse dimension. RPE can be done until the age of 16, after that her only option would be surgery and the risks that come with it. She should see an orthodontist now for evaluation and get a 2nd and 3rd opinion to be sure. Yes, even if you already or recently had braces because you don't get to roll back the clock here later. Orthodontists miss it all the time, especially the flashy high volume practices. Radiation at her age isn't wonderful either, granted it's probably a wash and CBCTs tend to be small anyway.

A&G are fine surgeons to consult but you don't need to. You definitely don't need to consult Sinn. For just asking questions, maybe start with a lesser known local oral surgeon to get the dumb questions out of the way. Or better yet a local dental school, the professors tend to be way more informed than most private practice oral surgeons. Then look for someone nearby who practices jaw surgery in volume for a more detailed consult. Every major city has a practice or two that gets most of the business, it's a niche industry now.

Looking at you, yeah you suffer from long face syndrome like many of us. If you don't have TMJ symptoms yet, then count your blessings and get it fixed sooner rather than later before you start developing problems. And watch out for symptoms of sleep apnea.

ForeverDet

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 151
  • Karma: 9
Re: What surgery should I get as a 15 year old girl?
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2016, 05:52:32 PM »
+1 regarding not having any surgery for now. Finish your invisalign treatment and assuming your bite ends up solid (do you have an open bite?) and you have no tmj/sleep apnea..

you could having a moderate sliding genioplasty (~6mm) which will have noticeable effect on improving your chin projection and reducing some strain. It won't affect your teeth position or fix your skeletal discrepancies but you avoid most of the crap that comes with jaw surgery.

Something to think about.. but again, no surgery until your jaw growth has completed. But it would be prudent to consult with surgeons now (arnet/gunson is a good choice but go to several with good repuations if possible) just to see what you could benefit from in the future and what presurgery orthodontics would be required.

molestrip

  • Private
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 735
  • Karma: 40
Re: What surgery should I get as a 15 year old girl?
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2016, 07:46:08 PM »
That's one of the steepest mandibular angles we've seen on here, I'd venture over 45 maybe 50-55deg. I'd love to see a ceph. I'd also bet she has an anterior open bite. It hasn't been studied much sadly but I'm starting to think that when unfavorable growth patterns are caught early surgery as a child can make a lot of sense so that future growth happens normally. My daughter is heading that direction, I'll see what the local surgeon says. She's bad but not as bad.

helloitsme

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 2
  • Karma: 0
Re: What surgery should I get as a 15 year old girl?
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2016, 07:47:49 PM »
thanks that makes me feel great

Bobbit

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 242
  • Karma: 3
Re: What surgery should I get as a 15 year old girl?
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2016, 08:27:15 PM »
That's one of the steepest mandibular angles we've seen on here, I'd venture over 45 maybe 50-55deg. I'd love to see a ceph. I'd also bet she has an anterior open bite. It hasn't been studied much sadly but I'm starting to think that when unfavorable growth patterns are caught early surgery as a child can make a lot of sense so that future growth happens normally. My daughter is heading that direction, I'll see what the local surgeon says. She's bad but not as bad.

Children tend to do pretty well with distraction - -  earlier the better.

molestrip

  • Private
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 735
  • Karma: 40
Re: What surgery should I get as a 15 year old girl?
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2016, 09:20:28 PM »
Easier said than done. Very hard to watch a 6yo go through major surgery like that.

Optimistic

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 579
  • Karma: 18
  • Gender: Male
  • I am class I
Re: What surgery should I get as a 15 year old girl?
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2016, 12:21:17 AM »
I wholly disagree, especially with the chewing gum comment. With her facial structure and sex, she needs to minimize load on the joint.

Am I missing something? Bite strength correlates with wider jaws, flatter occlusal plane, flatter mandibular plane. Want to take a bet that her masseters are weak as f**k?

Or are you saying strong-jawed women are ugly? Either way I'm really confused by what you mean. Even the thing about joints, our ancestors chewed tough food and nuts like crazy. Chewing on some falim for 1-2hours a day isn't going to do ANY damage.


No 15yo should be making surgical decisions. The time she's likely mature enough to make a major surgical decision like this is early 20s and it happens to be the time that she can be certain development has stopped. Strictly speaking, however, she'd be eligible for surgery next year but as we know many of those cases still relapse, even in women. There is one item it's VERY URGENT and important for her to be evaluated for right now: her transverse dimension. RPE can be done until the age of 16, after that her only option would be surgery and the risks that come with it. She should see an orthodontist now for evaluation and get a 2nd and 3rd opinion to be sure. Yes, even if you already or recently had braces because you don't get to roll back the clock here later. Orthodontists miss it all the time, especially the flashy high volume practices. Radiation at her age isn't wonderful either, granted it's probably a wash and CBCTs tend to be small anyway.

A&G are fine surgeons to consult but you don't need to. You definitely don't need to consult Sinn. For just asking questions, maybe start with a lesser known local oral surgeon to get the dumb questions out of the way. Or better yet a local dental school, the professors tend to be way more informed than most private practice oral surgeons. Then look for someone nearby who practices jaw surgery in volume for a more detailed consult. Every major city has a practice or two that gets most of the business, it's a niche industry now.

Looking at you, yeah you suffer from long face syndrome like many of us. If you don't have TMJ symptoms yet, then count your blessings and get it fixed sooner rather than later before you start developing problems. And watch out for symptoms of sleep apnea.

What's RPE?

Regarding not seeing these surgeons, I strongly disagree. I had nearly 2cm of recession and my local surgeon didn't even think I needed a sliding genio. Total joke. Speak with the top surgeons who are known for producing aesthetic results. Let them give you their opinion on bite and how to achieve a more normal look - which after all is what OP is after. It's not making a "surgical decision". It's diagnosing the problem and finding out what can be done and when.

Also, I have seen distraction performed on small children so actually surgery doesn't seem to have to strictly wait until early 20's.


Still really, really want to know why you not only don't agree with, but strongly advise against orthotropics. I've tried to do balance research on this and not nut hug, but I cannot find any evidence that contradicts the claims. Mouthbreathing will kill you, swallowing poorly creates fat cheeks, and weak bites lead to weak jawlines. By seeing an orthotropic specialist such as Mike Mew she at least has a fighting chance of improving the things that LED her to where she is today, even if it won't cure her. Then when she does get surgery the results are going to be more stable and hopefully better as she can direct what's left of her facial development in the right direction to create a nicer starting point, instead of straight down.
01/10/14 - Last night I spilt spaghetti sauce on my chin for the very first time in my life and cried.

ForeverDet

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 151
  • Karma: 9
Re: What surgery should I get as a 15 year old girl?
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2016, 01:47:15 AM »
Am I missing something? Bite strength correlates with wider jaws, flatter occlusal plane, flatter mandibular plane. Want to take a bet that her masseters are weak as f**k?

Or are you saying strong-jawed women are ugly? Either way I'm really confused by what you mean. Even the thing about joints, our ancestors chewed tough food and nuts like crazy. Chewing on some falim for 1-2hours a day isn't going to do ANY damage.

I think he's referring to the fact that in young female jaw surgery patients who have temporomandibular joint issues and class 2 open bites (idk if OP does but she mentioned lisp so probable), there is a high risk of relapse. Young, female, class II/open bite. Those traits all increase likelihood of condylar resportion or other tmj dysfunction post-op.

So intentionally working the jaw muscles is not a good idea in these cases. Put's strain on the TMJ. There is a reason why tmj patients post-surgery are told to avoid eating/chewing tough or hard things.

Please anyone correct me on any of this, this is not an area I'v researched too much as I don't have TMJ issues.

2jawkorea

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 8
  • Karma: 0
Re: What surgery should I get as a 15 year old girl?
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2016, 03:45:29 AM »
I think its good to get it younger before she gets older. (Healing wise, more enjoyment)

Lazlo

  • Private
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3004
  • Karma: 174
Re: What surgery should I get as a 15 year old girl?
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2016, 02:03:39 PM »
All this advice is off the mark. You can get a genioplasty now at 15 to improve your jaw line --or full bi-max surgery ---you just need to get a recommendation to a good max fac --I would go with arnett and gunson --but be careful you have the type of face where maxilla advancement will create a chimp look if not done conservatively. So just get a referral to a max fac doctor --ask your ortho for several recommendations and then get analysis done by them. Even if you don't have surgery now, you can have the orthodontic movements done to prepare for surgery (don't get any extractions except for wisdom teeth which you will ahve to to have surgery). Okay --go for it! You seem pretty you'll have a great result.