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asphyxia

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Hydroxyapatite for malar augmentation / recent study
« on: April 10, 2016, 05:34:25 AM »
Hi everyone
 Just found this while looking for some hydroxyapatite info, just published in February, might be useful for some


http://www.unboundmedicine.com/medline/citation/26954559/Hydroxyapatite/Collagen_Composite_Is_a_Reliable_Material_for_Malar_Augmentation.
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Re: Hydroxyapatite for malar augmentation / recent study
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2016, 05:46:06 AM »
Yeah, cool. I'm definitely inteested in augmenting my cheekbones with fillers rather than implants. Idk if HA-paste is the way to go though, I know a guy who had it with voluma (I think) and he was very satisfied. I saw his pics and the results were good.

Also interested in the zygomatic osteotomie but alas I don't know too much about it.

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Re: Hydroxyapatite for malar augmentation / recent study
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2016, 06:21:47 AM »
It's not the filler form, it's solid granules, so it's permanent and leads to osteointegration in term
As for Voluma, I had some along the jawline, but I would not suggest it to you, I had weird immune reactions to it, the area would get stiff and painful every other month, until I had it dissolved.
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Re: Hydroxyapatite for malar augmentation / recent study
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2016, 08:13:18 AM »
Not surprising it was written by A&G...

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Re: Hydroxyapatite for malar augmentation / recent study
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2016, 02:33:14 PM »
Thanks for posting this!

I mean it does seam to be reliable --but interesting what they say about the learning curve. Like I would have no problem getting it done with A and G cause they've been doing it on hundreds of patients.

They actually mold the HA paste on the patients face AFTER the operation and for weeks after they monitor the shape and mold it.

Other doctors don't. I'm curious how you can get a good symmetry on both sides etc since the doctors are just eyeballing the results.

I don't know how experienced Dr. Sinn is with it for example, or if I would feel safe getting it done with him.

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Re: Hydroxyapatite for malar augmentation / recent study
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2016, 10:47:58 PM »
does anyone know how much lateral projection it can add to each zygo? like, can it give 1cm width on each side?

LOL 1 cm!!!??? Yeah more like 2mm max.

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Re: Hydroxyapatite for malar augmentation / recent study
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2016, 10:52:04 PM »
I've known about this guy for a while --honestly read about his procedures maybe four years ago.

But are these claims for real?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVILdNOvpJg

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Re: Hydroxyapatite for malar augmentation / recent study
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2016, 04:07:14 AM »
I've known about this guy for a while --honestly read about his procedures maybe four years ago.

But are these claims for real?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVILdNOvpJg
No.

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Re: Hydroxyapatite for malar augmentation / recent study
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2016, 03:14:08 PM »
Could you expand plosko? The before and afters look pretty good with augmentation?

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Re: Hydroxyapatite for malar augmentation / recent study
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2016, 03:56:37 PM »
Could you expand plosko? The before and afters look pretty good with augmentation?
Didn't think you'd be so easily impressed, lol. Details in the other forum. Earl's osteotomy is the best I've seen in that area. OK, I've never seen the supposedly fantastic implant results that you only get to see in Yaremchuks or other implant specialists office.

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Re: Hydroxyapatite for malar augmentation / recent study
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2016, 09:59:18 PM »
It's great that the internet provides us the ability to discuss technique like this on public forums. However, remember that none of us are plastic or oral surgeons so we can never really get it. Clinical experience is impossible to replace. We have our own advantages too of course. One concept I want to drill down is the importance of following evidence based medicine. You do not want to be Guinea Pigs. Biology is very complex and most of what humans do, we f**k things up. Some general rules about medicine:

- If something is really good, it won't be long before practice spreads to others
- If others aren't interested, there's probably a reason and it's probably not evident to us. I can assure you that it's not because others are incompetent or unaware. We know this from private discussions where we can see what surgeons say to other people when they ask about it.
- For the most part, there's a common body of knowledge and all surgeons have access to the same body of knowledge. Not all are interested in learning or trying. Each has their own unique personality and treatment goals.
- Surgeons are generally unaware of their outcomes. Patients often seek help elsewhere after problems and are afraid to speak up except to other patients.

One point I want to make since it was brought up here, it's true these HA augmentations integrate with underlying bone. The plus is also the down, you can't remove them if they become problematic. I've asked around enough and familiar with some of the problems. At this point I would say there's nothing I know of to definitely exclude them as a treatment option, everything has been fairly minor with them so it looks promising. It is, however, not a routine procedure at this point, still an experimental technique. Another option to consider is demineralized bone paste, which does actually turn into bone albeit over a much longer time period.