Anybody else sometimes wonder, what’s the point of all this?

[ForeverAloneDude]

Hello everyone. I've been lurking this board for the last couple months. it seems to be the ONLY place on the internet that has true, meaningful discussion on plastic surgery unlike other boards which I shall not name.

Anyways, back to my subject...

All this research. All this hard work to slog and make money. And there is little guarantee that it will work. And the cycle where I’m not doing what I should be when it comes to making money etc and just obsessing desperately of if there is even hope for my below average skull and face.

And the concern that even if major changes are even possible for me, I'll hit a major road block where surgeons don't want to do risky procedures on me.

And then my height could cock block me etc (I'm 5'4"). I'm lets say hypothetically I'm ok looking. 5-6/10 on the rating scale post plastic surgeries and my height isn't an issue, then when I'm all done with this stuff I'll be 30 freaking years old with no experience on how to talk to women romantically, and downhill yet again. (I'm 21 right now)

What is even the point?

There are guys and girls who are 13 years old who get these romantic experiences with ease. Dating just works for them.

This sucks. Why couldn’t everyone be born at the same attractiveness where interpersonal connections would matter in dating.

One thing I know for a fact is that I for one will NEVER have kids. I just don't want to put them through the pain and suffering that I have been through myself. Years of  tormenting, bullying, and isolation.

They all tell us from a young age. "boy, its going to get better."

No its not going to get better. And no, the good looking guys and girls will not have it worse when they get older. Its a lie.

I'm 21 now. My goal currently is to do everything I can non surgically looks wise and then put every effort when I'm not at the gym or applying acne creams (haha) to make as much money as I can for the next 3-4 years.

Man, even if I was tall but unattractive at least I could have a shot at other things such as football, basketball, etc in school. At least I'd be taken more seriously at work, etc. But here I am. Absolute bottom of the barrel genetics wise.

Honestly if nothing changes by the time I'm 30 or at max 35, I don't know if I can take life anymore. But at least I know at that point that I tried my best with the hand I was dealt with to go with some of the most extreme measures and do the best I can.

Sorry for my rant. I’ve been feeling incredibly down for the last 6 months. I hope I don't get banned for this, especially being that this part of the forum is for emotional support.

[kavan]

The prime focus here really isn't so much 'plastic surgery'. Rather jaw surgery in realm of maxillo-facial 'bone cutting' to balance out the jaws. You might 'need' max fax first before plastic surgeries or to set the ground work for them. But there is no way to tell without visual information. Also, no 'guarantees' for surgery as all surgery is with some risk. But if you can narrow down which things need to be done first, at least a multi surgery journey will be progressive.

Clearly, you seem interested in better aesthetics. So, check out the aesthetic section of board too.

[ForeverAloneDude]

Yes. I'm looking at the aesthetics section of the board too.

After all, I haven't seen anywhere else except for this board when it comes to big surgeries like modified lefort iii. There seems to be only one user online who has it done for aesthetics.

I'm also looking at jaw surgery, but for aesthetics. Even though the goals aren't the same as some other users, the understanding and research will also be the same.

[thinkingme]

sorry for my english first.
i was searching this surgeries for 7-8 years and im 21 too, especially 2 year ago ,when i was bracesfree, it was rough times for me . i thought braces can fix this issue and i f**king had braces with random ortho who i rush, results is such a disappointment. 3-4month later teeths find new arrangement.
Am i so ugly? im sure no, some finds(especially uglier guys than me) find me attractive, im white(sorry but it matters), had blonde nice long hair but norwood 3(still get compliments but not like old days), big forehead which i start to love. I could rush with random surgeon still but i need earn big amount of money I cant give my familys 1year budget to normal surgeon, i must choose best of them, money is not f**king important but time is, 2nd phase braces must be last. (probably at 26-27years old ill start ps journey depend of my relationships).

aesthetics is important but not enough for relationships when you are 20+. If you cant make money what you looks(tbh i dont want this, iwant 7-8/10 but with normal jobs ,not modelling) it dont matter 7/10 you are. My uncle had 10/10 body (it works at hard jobs which need strength, 6/7/10 face but, my dad is below avarage and had better wife,family and life style. Sorry but at 21 you are the last stages that your apperance can work solo.

My last appointment was 1 years ago. So ortho say i can go for it but its such a painful journey. Imust remove 3 wisdom and 2 or 4 premolar teeth. Ill live with 24 teeth.(i had 31 teeth but i cant use my lower front teeths when biting hard things, because of their crowd)

Just focus other things in life. I dont know ur appearance but its not problem for people (at least i was top %1 school in my country,  lots of my friends dont live for sex so school is fun for me.)

You can send me pictures or xrays , i have  nice knowledge about this problems and emotional states.

[secondtimearound]

Hello everyone. I've been lurking this board for the last couple months. it seems to be the ONLY place on the internet that has true, meaningful discussion on plastic surgery unlike other boards which I shall not name.

Anyways, back to my subject...

All this research. All this hard work to slog and make money. And there is little guarantee that it will work. And the cycle where I’m not doing what I should be when it comes to making money etc and just obsessing desperately of if there is even hope for my below average skull and face.

And the concern that even if major changes are even possible for me, I'll hit a major road block where surgeons don't want to do risky procedures on me.

And then my height could cock block me etc (I'm 5'4"). I'm lets say hypothetically I'm ok looking. 5-6/10 on the rating scale post plastic surgeries and my height isn't an issue, then when I'm all done with this stuff I'll be 30 freaking years old with no experience on how to talk to women romantically, and downhill yet again. (I'm 21 right now)

What is even the point?

There are guys and girls who are 13 years old who get these romantic experiences with ease. Dating just works for them.

This sucks. Why couldn’t everyone be born at the same attractiveness where interpersonal connections would matter in dating.

One thing I know for a fact is that I for one will NEVER have kids. I just don't want to put them through the pain and suffering that I have been through myself. Years of  tormenting, bullying, and isolation.

They all tell us from a young age. "boy, its going to get better."

No its not going to get better. And no, the good looking guys and girls will not have it worse when they get older. Its a lie.

I'm 21 now. My goal currently is to do everything I can non surgically looks wise and then put every effort when I'm not at the gym or applying acne creams (haha) to make as much money as I can for the next 3-4 years.

Man, even if I was tall but unattractive at least I could have a shot at other things such as football, basketball, etc in school. At least I'd be taken more seriously at work, etc. But here I am. Absolute bottom of the barrel genetics wise.

Honestly if nothing changes by the time I'm 30 or at max 35, I don't know if I can take life anymore. But at least I know at that point that I tried my best with the hand I was dealt with to go with some of the most extreme measures and do the best I can.

Sorry for my rant. I’ve been feeling incredibly down for the last 6 months. I hope I don't get banned for this, especially being that this part of the forum is for emotional support.

I'm in the same boat man. The only reason I'm doing a revision is with the hopes of becoming more attractive. That's it. Honestly. I just spent the last month again on online dating sending messages and swiping profiles (Tinder/POF/Match, did OKC previously). I'll do a few days then stop because it's depressing, then try again.

It's f**king impossible unless you were "born right" or "developed right" ie. tall, white, handsome, symmetric, etc. I've already had jaw surgery and I'm still f**ked because even the surgeries don't always go right.

We live in a superficial world. I don't know what to do about it except keep trying. Fix what you can. Don't stop trying. Eventually you get too old for it to matter (I'm basically there now already) and then who cares. But you still have to do it. Because after all those years of wanting to be better looking, you're never going to stop wanting it.

If nothing else, I've heard hookers treat you better if you're less ugly. So there's always that.

That's my most realistic outcome. Although I still hope I can become good looking enough to be able to get some dates periodically from nonfat girls without sending hundreds of messages to get each one. Unrealistic? Perhaps. But like I said - gotta try.

[JawKid7]

right now the purpose of my life is to build as much muscle as possible

[Lazlo]

right now the purpose of my life is to build as much muscle as possible

totally me too. Can you post your diet and workout routine here please? Would be much help.

[JigJaw_:/]

Hello everyone. I've been lurking this board for the last couple months. it seems to be the ONLY place on the internet that has true, meaningful discussion on plastic surgery unlike other boards which I shall not name.

Anyways, back to my subject...

All this research. All this hard work to slog and make money. And there is little guarantee that it will work. And the cycle where I’m not doing what I should be when it comes to making money etc and just obsessing desperately of if there is even hope for my below average skull and face.

And the concern that even if major changes are even possible for me, I'll hit a major road block where surgeons don't want to do risky procedures on me.

And then my height could cock block me etc (I'm 5'4"). I'm lets say hypothetically I'm ok looking. 5-6/10 on the rating scale post plastic surgeries and my height isn't an issue, then when I'm all done with this stuff I'll be 30 freaking years old with no experience on how to talk to women romantically, and downhill yet again. (I'm 21 right now)

What is even the point?

There are guys and girls who are 13 years old who get these romantic experiences with ease. Dating just works for them.

This sucks. Why couldn’t everyone be born at the same attractiveness where interpersonal connections would matter in dating.

One thing I know for a fact is that I for one will NEVER have kids. I just don't want to put them through the pain and suffering that I have been through myself. Years of  tormenting, bullying, and isolation.

They all tell us from a young age. "boy, its going to get better."

No its not going to get better. And no, the good looking guys and girls will not have it worse when they get older. Its a lie.

I'm 21 now. My goal currently is to do everything I can non surgically looks wise and then put every effort when I'm not at the gym or applying acne creams (haha) to make as much money as I can for the next 3-4 years.

Man, even if I was tall but unattractive at least I could have a shot at other things such as football, basketball, etc in school. At least I'd be taken more seriously at work, etc. But here I am. Absolute bottom of the barrel genetics wise.

Honestly if nothing changes by the time I'm 30 or at max 35, I don't know if I can take life anymore. But at least I know at that point that I tried my best with the hand I was dealt with to go with some of the most extreme measures and do the best I can.

Sorry for my rant. I’ve been feeling incredibly down for the last 6 months. I hope I don't get banned for this, especially being that this part of the forum is for emotional support.

Hey man. Hang in there. Believe it or not...life gets (don't wanna say better, but it gets different) as you age. I know, so trite to hear, but there is a reason why all us older people regurgitate the same stuff; bc it holds water.
You will appreciate different things in different ways in which you might not have at 21. I won't lie, visually speaking, some things in life will always maintain a "surface" dwelling. I read your post and wanted to give whatever advice I could. I will say one thing for sure. Use the abilities which you were born with, and put everything you've got into those specific areas; studying...career advancement, whatever. If there is one thing that's true no matter how cliche and plastic it sounds, women like providers. So, concentrate on building your brain. I can guarantee one thing. No matter the amount of surgery or procedure, at the end of the day-you need to like who's staring back in the mirror more than what. You can get surgery to the nines, but if you don't like who's beneath...won't matter. You sound like a good dude.

[SKV2]

ya, i often wonder whats the point. i used to be good looking and everything in my life was normal, i was at a top school, all just seemed well. now years later i find myself semi hikkikomori with a ruined face and a speech impediment that i developed in my mid teens. i feel bitter about needing all this surgery just to perhaps look how i used to, and ill always wonder what i would have looked like had my oral posture not been destroyed. i also suffered from a hormone imbalance during puberty and ill always wonder how things would have been had i been given the care i needed, basically just an aromatase inhibitor.

i just feel my life has been ruined and i dont want to get too morbid and talk about suicide here, id rather focus on strictly jaw surgery, but the whole situation really sucks so i can sympathize with feeling like "whats the point".

[ForeverAloneDude]

ya, i often wonder whats the point. i used to be good looking and everything in my life was normal, i was at a top school, all just seemed well. now years later i find myself semi hikkikomori with a ruined face and a speech impediment that i developed in my mid teens. i feel bitter about needing all this surgery just to perhaps look how i used to, and ill always wonder what i would have looked like had my oral posture not been destroyed. i also suffered from a hormone imbalance during puberty and ill always wonder how things would have been had i been given the care i needed, basically just an aromatase inhibitor.

i just feel my life has been ruined and i dont want to get too morbid and talk about suicide here, id rather focus on strictly jaw surgery, but the whole situation really sucks so i can sympathize with feeling like "whats the point".

Yeah, in my opinion, how a person develops physically in their teens determines their mental health down the road.

I've had a terrible life in high school. And while people don't treat my terribly in university, its still s**t.

[ForeverAloneDude]

right now the purpose of my life is to build as much muscle as possible

How tall are you man? I'm doing that, but I'm afraid that with my height and frame, nothing will help much. I'm 164cm.

[ForeverAloneDude]

I'm in the same boat man. The only reason I'm doing a revision is with the hopes of becoming more attractive. That's it. Honestly. I just spent the last month again on online dating sending messages and swiping profiles (Tinder/POF/Match, did OKC previously). I'll do a few days then stop because it's depressing, then try again.

It's f**king impossible unless you were "born right" or "developed right" ie. tall, white, handsome, symmetric, etc. I've already had jaw surgery and I'm still f**ked because even the surgeries don't always go right.

We live in a superficial world. I don't know what to do about it except keep trying. Fix what you can. Don't stop trying. Eventually you get too old for it to matter (I'm basically there now already) and then who cares. But you still have to do it. Because after all those years of wanting to be better looking, you're never going to stop wanting it.

If nothing else, I've heard hookers treat you better if you're less ugly. So there's always that.

That's my most realistic outcome. Although I still hope I can become good looking enough to be able to get some dates periodically from nonfat girls without sending hundreds of messages to get each one. Unrealistic? Perhaps. But like I said - gotta try.

No need to be "perfect." But don't just be screwed in every respect.

For example, I know a super tall guy who is like 6'6" who exclusively dates 6'ish girls since many of them want a very tall guy (not even just 6', but many inches taller than them), so he makes use of that and dates them. His face is slightly below average tbh, but many of these girls compromise on the face part but won' compromise on height.

Also, nah man (escorts). I want a gf. Sex is the periphery about it.

[some1afterall]

How old is everyone on this board?

IMO looks are more important when you're a female---for guys I think sex appeal is different. Everyone likes something different though... being fit and healthy and strong seems to always be a plus. Many women like tall men, confident men. But I've dated a couple of short guys who had a lot going on that I wouldn't have known had I not given them a chance...

Taking good care of yourself is hot - exercising, eating healthy, thinking positively.

[SKV2]

im in my early 20s, male.


for me part of it is wondering if i can ever get an attractive face, but another part comes down to the idea of having to get all this done (potentially sarpe, braces, double jaw, maybe even some modified version of a lf3 , chin wing and zso OR implants if we ever get a better alternative to medpor or silicone but thats a diff topic) just to, best case scenario, look no better than i already did in the past. and all the lost time, risk involved, and heavy cost associated with it as well.


its about wanting my face back and my life back at the end of the day, and the sad issue of likely always wondering what if/what could should would have been.

that being said at the risk of sounding narcissistic i think my case is rather unique , and while im aware surely others r in the same boat, ive yet to personally come across another like me, online or in the real world (had a prematurely extracted tooth in my upper arch, as a result the space closed, my canine [adult] came in fully impacted , and took away enough palatal real estate that my tongue dropped... if u support the idea of oral posture directing craniofacial growth , u will know this was the cause of my dentofacial deformities). i came here to try and strictly talk about surgeries sick im tired of discussing the social landscape but this is emotional section after all and i have yet to get current cephs and make a thread regarding surgical advice and delve into all that but its on the way.

certainly makes me sad to say the least when i look at old pictures, both frontal and profile, and current ones, as well as consider how ppl of both genders used to treat me vs how they treat me now =/

[SKV2]

How old is everyone on this board?

IMO looks are more important when you're a female---for guys I think sex appeal is different. Everyone likes something different though... being fit and healthy and strong seems to always be a plus. Many women like tall men, confident men. But I've dated a couple of short guys who had a lot going on that I wouldn't have known had I not given them a chance...

Taking good care of yourself is hot - exercising, eating healthy, thinking positively.