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Re: Conflicting views
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2018, 02:09:59 PM »
Both of their aesthetics can be really off sometimes. DF veers between recommending aggressive solutions when they're not needed, and minimal solutions when aggressive ones are needed. Alfaro's results can be overdone or neglect essential parts. He also seems to focus on the overbite/underbite market more than the downgrafting one, whereas that's DF's speciality.

The truth lies somewhere in between. You are very handsome with a very slightly short midface. Thus not "perfect" but still better looking than 90%>.

The real question is, how much does it eat away at you and are you absolutely dead set on doing this?

You're not the first handsome guy who's used jaw surgery to tweak their looks but the stakes are high when you aren't unattractive.

I would see a third doctor, perhaps someone who will be open to a more simple downgraft without adding on unneeded extras. Then at least you can make an informed decision. Raffaini might be your man as he offered similar to an attractive young woman here.

Thanks for saying, but I'm definitely not handsome - People who see me would laugh

'm seening my own surgeon in the next few wks so I'll see what he suggests.
I have looked into Raffaini, so I'll probably see him for an opinion.


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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2018, 02:28:51 PM »
IDK what you look like, but I can't imagine you like hideous or deformed as another forum member on here claims to be.

BTW did you have any of your genio surgeries in the states?

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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2018, 02:50:48 PM »
IDK what you look like, but I can't imagine you like hideous or deformed as another forum member on here claims to be.

BTW did you have any of your genio surgeries in the states?

I had all my surgeries in the U.S

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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2018, 03:43:28 PM »
I had all my surgeries in the U.S

Were any of them done in California by chance? I've been looking into one myself, but are undecided yet.

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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2018, 03:48:32 PM »
Thanks for saying, but I'm definitely not handsome - People who see me would laugh

'm seening my own surgeon in the next few wks so I'll see what he suggests.
I have looked into Raffaini, so I'll probably see him for an opinion.

I have to ask. Do you have laddish friends who "rib" you about your appearance? Do you frequent bars where the girls are stuck up? Are you working in some kind of Boiler Room type job where everyone insults each other as a matter of course?

What you say vs. how you look has me scratching my head. I can only guess that this could be a product of the culture where you live and work, the people you hang around with and the places you go. It's like a malignant form of negativity that has developed over a long period of time.
 
It also sounds like you're a suicide risk. Lazlo raised a relevant point about the possibility of any functional issues being the final straw. I understand if you are driven to do this (to be "happy") but I detected a great deal of sadness in what you wrote so I'm really not sure what to suggest.

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Re: Conflicting views
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2018, 04:37:09 PM »
Were any of them done in California by chance? I've been looking into one myself, but are undecided yet.

I had my surgeries in Cleveland.

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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2018, 04:42:18 PM »
I have to ask. Do you have laddish friends who "rib" you about your appearance? Do you frequent bars where the girls are stuck up? Are you working in some kind of Boiler Room type job where everyone insults each other as a matter of course?

What you say vs. how you look has me scratching my head. I can only guess that this could be a product of the culture where you live and work, the people you hang around with and the places you go. It's like a malignant form of negativity that has developed over a long period of time.
 
It also sounds like you're a suicide risk. Lazlo raised a relevant point about the possibility of any functional issues being the final straw. I understand if you are driven to do this (to be "happy") but I detected a great deal of sadness in what you wrote so I'm really not sure what to suggest.

There is sadness to a degree but I'm used that - its my normal so to speak.

Suicide definitly not - I make above average money so it allows me to at least save and have the option of improving things. I don't really socialise so its mostly girls at my work place or who I see about in the city who act the way they do. Its just the way things are. As I said I probably give off a certain vibe.

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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2018, 05:05:42 PM »
Last I saw you you looked like a young marlon brando with a shaved head.

i think i saw you after your initial surgeries with dr. guyron.

I have a few questions, just cause of self-interest.

Did you ever get a facel-lift? And how was thist, if so.

Also did you ever get a rhinoplasty?And if so how was that

And did you ever get any cheek augmentation?

I can't remember what procedures you had.

You're a veteran of PS and serious cranio work so you have a lot of very very valuable advice to share with us.

I'm sorry you're feeling so down. I wish I had the words to make you see otherwise. As for a weirdish vibe yeah you just gotta practice being social and s**t. You sound like a genuinely nice person.

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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2018, 06:03:44 PM »
There is sadness to a degree but I'm used that - its my normal so to speak.

Suicide definitly not - I make above average money so it allows me to at least save and have the option of improving things. I don't really socialise so its mostly girls at my work place or who I see about in the city who act the way they do. Its just the way things are. As I said I probably give off a certain vibe.

You say definitely no suicide, as your earnings can allow you to remain in an inertia-like state and continue to entertain "options" whilst you stall...

You know, I think your biggest issue is one of conviction. You can either decide to adjust whatever you see fit and commit to that, seeing it through until the bitter end, or you can make peace with your face and challenge yourself to move forward. The options you feel you're giving yourself are in fact barriers you've constructed to protect yourself from these hangups becoming realities. Thus, you are able to avoid doing things that might affirm your fears concerning women, etc.

Unfortunately shy people can sometimes come across as unfriendly. There will literally be no other reason for colleagues, who see you every day, to look at you strangely.

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Re: Conflicting views
« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2018, 01:48:18 PM »
I had my surgeries in Cleveland.

Are you overall happy with your results?

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Re: Conflicting views
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2018, 09:40:14 AM »
Are you overall happy with your results?

Relative to what I was it is a good improvement.

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« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2018, 04:17:39 PM »
 
Relative to what I was it is a good improvement.

BTW, didn't you see Dussen after you had surgery the last time? He does jaw work on occasion but not sure about downgrafting (lefort 1 definitely).

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Re: Conflicting views
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2018, 04:45:13 PM »
ITALIA,

You have to keep in mind that the justification for downgrafting the upper jaw is if your upper teeth DON'T SHOW and that the justification for maxfax/bi max or the BSSO part of it is jaw RETRUSION. Basically some kind of jaw or bite IMBALANCE. It isn't a procedure aimed at people with round faces because they have THICK SOFT TISSUE if that is what you are pursuing it  for.
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Re: Conflicting views
« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2018, 11:32:45 AM »
ITALIA,

You have to keep in mind that the justification for downgrafting the upper jaw is if your upper teeth DON'T SHOW and that the justification for maxfax/bi max or the BSSO part of it is jaw RETRUSION. Basically some kind of jaw or bite IMBALANCE. It isn't a procedure aimed at people with round faces because they have THICK SOFT TISSUE if that is what you are pursuing it  for.

Dr DF said it would make the face less round. I'm not expecting the soft tissue to be thinner but if the face is longer and more balanced it would make my face look better and would be a good compromise in my eye.
 The face may still have fat (mainly the result of dr g fat transfer) but my face may carry it better.
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Re: Conflicting views
« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2018, 11:38:25 AM »
Last I saw you you looked like a young marlon brando with a shaved head.

i think i saw you after your initial surgeries with dr. guyron.

I have a few questions, just cause of self-interest.

Did you ever get a facel-lift? And how was thist, if so.

Also did you ever get a rhinoplasty?And if so how was that

And did you ever get any cheek augmentation?

I can't remember what procedures you had.

You're a veteran of PS and serious cranio work so you have a lot of very very valuable advice to share with us.

I'm sorry you're feeling so down. I wish I had the words to make you see otherwise. As for a weirdish vibe yeah you just gotta practice being social and s**t. You sound like a genuinely nice person.

I never had a face lift - I had 4 rounds of surgery, the last 2 being just fat.
I initially had a genio, cheek impants, buccal fat removal from my right side, lateral browlift, some lipo to my jawline and neck work.
Second surgery was a second genio with burring and fat to lid cheek junction.

It was a good transformation overall but you go through honeymoon periods where things look better and on top of that you still age.