Stanford lecture on the State of the Art in Jaw Surgery

[Lefortitude]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9ekawp7oi8

[kavan]

Great lecture from her. But to WHAT KIND of audience. Audience questions seemed to be on the stupid side like asking what the lecturer had already covered. eg. 'Don't the jaws need to be wired shut?' Like she stressed in the lecture the jaws no longer needed to be wired shut and they use plates. But still question from dumb dumb audience member not understanding what the lecturer already covered and explained during the talk. Like how many times does she have to explain to the stupid person in the audience the same thing over and over?

[Lazlo]

This woman doesn't know s**t.


This is just a very basic introduction to the topic. Definitely not for specialists. All she does is give an overview of what surgery is like today. She doesn't even go into things like CCW which would prevent needing the extreme 10-15mm advancements needed for sleep apnea. What a dumb dumb. The she does a bit of brou-haha about the future with augmented reality and remote surgery but obviously that s**t is still several years away. So yeah cool, but not relevant for us.

DICOM and all that s**t is used by everyone now. So that's hardly new. And it doesn't ensure a great result. She doesn't go into grafting materials or whatever. Gunson and Arnett are way advanced. And how is any of this the newest innovative stuff? It's not new at all.

[kavan]

This woman doesn't know s**t.


This is just a very basic introduction to the topic. Definitely not for specialists. All she does is give an overview of what surgery is like today. She doesn't even go into things like CCW which would prevent needing the extreme 10-15mm advancements needed for sleep apnea. What a dumb dumb. The she does a bit of brou-haha about the future with augmented reality and remote surgery but obviously that s**t is still several years away. So yeah cool, but not relevant for us.

DICOM and all that s**t is used by everyone now. So that's hardly new. And it doesn't ensure a great result. She doesn't go into grafting materials or whatever. Gunson and Arnett are way advanced. And how is any of this the newest innovative stuff? It's not new at all.

I don't know if I'd say that about her. I mean consider that the AUDIENCE knows little to nothing and one of the members seeming to ask more than a few questions is really stupid. Given, she's talking to an audience who doesn't know s**t about this sort of surgery, why would you expect her to go into anymore detail?  It would be too far BEYOND them.

[GJ]

The future is a couple small cuts with distraction for jaw surgery - turn the device and have the surgery at home. Robots that can perform the surgery with sub 1mm error rates 100% of the time would qualify, too. And then stem cells for any other tooth issue. Until they're talking about those things they're living in the dark ages.

[Lefortitude]

I was astounded at the audience. She even mentioned at the beginning they all should have atleast a dental degree. Brutal hearing those airheaded and inconsiderate questions.

Aside from that, i thought this was a good window into the basics of the field from a high level researcher.  I think as GJ said, robotic surgery and AR assisted surgery are the future.  Not to mention advances in orthodontics and distraction techniques. I mean, i had orthodontics 15 years ago from a top practicioner, had extractions. That was the standard back then.feels bad man.  Weve come a long way. Looking forward to a bright future. 

[kavan]

I was astounded at the audience. She even mentioned at the beginning they all should have atleast a dental degree. Brutal hearing those airheaded and inconsiderate questions.

Aside from that, i thought this was a good window into the basics of the field from a high level researcher.  I think as GJ said, robotic surgery and AR assisted surgery are the future.  Not to mention advances in orthodontics and distraction techniques. I mean, i had orthodontics 15 years ago from a top practicioner, had extractions. That was the standard back then.feels bad man.  Weve come a long way. Looking forward to a bright future.

OMG!! I did not catch all of the beginning (phone rang). But unbelievable that those STUPID people had a dental degree. OMG. I couldn't even believe they were Stanford students.

[Lazlo]

I don't know if I'd say that about her. I mean consider that the AUDIENCE knows little to nothing and one of the members seeming to ask more than a few questions is really stupid. Given, she's talking to an audience who doesn't know s**t about this sort of surgery, why would you expect her to go into anymore detail?  It would be too far BEYOND them.

Sorry that woman is still a f**king moron. it's called "THE STATE OF THE ART" state of the art in most contexts means the most cutting edge and there was nothing cutting edge about that. How THE f**k COULD DENTAL STUDENTS not already know what the f**k jaws surgery is? Most normal people at least have heard of someone they know in high school or s**t who has had jaw surgery. And EXTRACTIONS are still state of the art in f**king orthodontics I got them just a few years ago and so did a bunch of us. f**k ALL THESE MAX FACS AND f**kING ORTHOS THEY"RE ALL A BUNCH OF f**k INEPT DIPs**tS. You just gotta go with the least inept dips**t you find.

Did you know that just FIVE YEARS AGO THE INSURERS OF MAX FACS IN CANADA WENT f**kING BANKRUPT BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF CASES AGAINST MAX FACS BY PATIENTS AND THE NUMBER OF PAYOUTS THEY HAD TO GIVE!!!?

WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT THE "STATE OF THE ART"

[kavan]

Sorry that woman is still a f**king moron. it's called "THE STATE OF THE ART" state of the art in most contexts means the most cutting edge and there was nothing cutting edge about that. How THE f**k COULD DENTAL STUDENTS not already know what the f**k jaws surgery is? Most normal people at least have heard of someone they know in high school or s**t who has had jaw surgery. And EXTRACTIONS are still state of the art in f**king orthodontics I got them just a few years ago and so did a bunch of us. f**k ALL THESE MAX FACS AND f**kING ORTHOS THEY"RE ALL A BUNCH OF f**k INEPT DIPs**tS. You just gotta go with the least inept dips**t you find.

Did you know that just FIVE YEARS AGO THE INSURERS OF MAX FACS IN CANADA WENT f**kING BANKRUPT BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF CASES AGAINST MAX FACS BY PATIENTS AND THE NUMBER OF PAYOUTS THEY HAD TO GIVE!!!?

WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT THE "STATE OF THE ART"

Well, apparently, it was TOO 'cutting edge' for the DULL BLADES in the audience.

[Lazlo]

Well, apparently, it was TOO 'cutting edge' for the DULL BLADES in the audience.

I know what a bunch of f**ktards. Any of the oldtimers here could school that f**king retard.

[Bowie]

So they don't learn about jaw surgery when they are studying dentistry? in the UK Orthos and dentists are meant to refer people for jaw surgery.

[Lazlo]

So they don't learn about jaw surgery when they are studying dentistry? in the UK Orthos and dentists are meant to refer people for jaw surgery.

Yeah here too, that's what makes it so scary. Your average dips**t dentist and even orthos who have referred a bunch of people don't actually know anything about it or the techniques. I kid you not. My ortho didn't even know what the difference between CW and CCW was or whether expansion could be done surgically. Oh God its so depressing.

Honestly folks, I've given up on science. Until I can get my extracted teeth back nothing can be truly fixed. 2018, Elon Musk is bulls**tting everyone about sending a f**king Tesla to Mars, but guys we're no where close to the future.

f**king iPhone X and augmented reality and all that useless s**t but medically WE ARE IN THE DARK AGES. There has been absolutely ZERO innovations in the practoce of maxillofacial surgery. And most who do it are pretty s**tty at it. I've given up on science. f**k Ray Kurzweil this s**t is moving WAY WAY too slowly for me. We can't even get proper hair replacement surgery yet leave alone new teeth. Imagine what people thought was gone happen back in 2000. 18 years later, nada.

[Bowie]

Yeah here too, that's what makes it so scary. Your average dips**t dentist and even orthos who have referred a bunch of people don't actually know anything about it or the techniques. I kid you not. My ortho didn't even know what the difference between CW and CCW was or whether expansion could be done surgically. Oh God its so depressing.

Honestly folks, I've given up on science. Until I can get my extracted teeth back nothing can be truly fixed. 2018, Elon Musk is bulls**tting everyone about sending a f**king Tesla to Mars, but guys we're no where close to the future.

f**king iPhone X and augmented reality and all that useless s**t but medically WE ARE IN THE DARK AGES. There has been absolutely ZERO innovations in the practoce of maxillofacial surgery. And most who do it are pretty s**tty at it. I've given up on science. f**k Ray Kurzweil this s**t is moving WAY WAY too slowly for me. We can't even get proper hair replacement surgery yet leave alone new teeth. Imagine what people thought was gone happen back in 2000. 18 years later, nada.

Wouldn't surprise me if there are jaw surgeons who don't know what ccw is lol.

[Lefortitude]

Wouldn't surprise me if there are jaw surgeons who don't know what ccw is lol.

you won't be surprised when u consult with some canadian maxfacs. 

I noticed a lot of surgeons who studied maxfac end up doing cosmetic surgery (boob jobs and filler and botox) because thats where the CASH was.  BUT, people are slowly but surely discovering that the cashcow of fillers and botox is over inflated, and alot of cases which are prescribed cosmetic solutions would actually benefit more from a maxfax surgery.  i predict a good portion of the market share from the cosmetic cash cow will begin to float over to the maxfac world.  and where theres money, theres innovation. Pretty soon we will have robots doing surgery, with bone grafts made from in vivo bioreactors that generate autologous bone from mesyncemal stem cells, which will be administered IV to the patient to facilitate quicker healing.

but until then, we're in the dark ages.

[Bowie]

you won't be surprised when u consult with some canadian maxfacs. 

I noticed a lot of surgeons who studied maxfac end up doing cosmetic surgery (boob jobs and filler and botox) because thats where the CASH was.  BUT, people are slowly but surely discovering that the cashcow of fillers and botox is over inflated, and alot of cases which are prescribed cosmetic solutions would actually benefit more from a maxfax surgery.  i predict a good portion of the market share from the cosmetic cash cow will begin to float over to the maxfac world.  and where theres money, theres innovation. Pretty soon we will have robots doing surgery, with bone grafts made from in vivo bioreactors that generate autologous bone from mesyncemal stem cells, which will be administered IV to the patient to facilitate quicker healing.

but until then, we're in the dark ages.

Apparently the reason why there was the minimally invasive revolution of fillers and fat graft was because US doctors were / are terrified of being sued. If that's true then I don't know why most other western countries followed suit. But yeah as for fillers there are the other factors like less hassle, less complications and possibly more profitable than implants in the long term if you get the patient hooked.
I wonder if they teach surgeons studying plastic surgery about implants as comprehensively now as they used to, or if they are even discouraged.

"but until then, we're in the dark ages." That's one way of looking at it but I think it's pretty incredible what changes can be done through the right surgery. I am grateful for all the options that we have at our disposal.