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General Category => Functional Surgery Questions => Topic started by: Lazlo on April 04, 2013, 01:39:51 AM
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So I saw this on another forum and it's so telling. This is some real housewife or some reality star. She had PS --specifically a chin implant/filler to her midface
and veneers (clearly to expand the appearance of her upper arch). She looks like pretty bad afterward.
(http://file:///Users/Meraj/Desktop/v.jpg)
And then here one of the users on the forum, through photoshop did his own surgery: shortened her maxilla, and upper lip area, and shortened her chin and rotated
the tip of her nose slightly down. So here's what's important, at least the chin procedure and the upper lip shortening are "possible" through currently available
plastic surgery. Unfortunately, these results are probably not possible, but it goes to show you that shortening the mid-face, and I've heard this from many, many people before, can dramatically improve one's attractiveness. It's really remarkable.
(http://jawsurgeryforums.com/Users/Meraj/Desktop/v.jpg)
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sorry, never have figured out how to post photos, jpegs from my desktop, and I can't erase the thread since i started it....
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Upload the pics to an image hosting site, then use the url link to display the images.
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images aren't loading but I'm assuming that you are referring to Vicki Gunvalson, no?
(http://i.imgur.com/yOvh5bp.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/YtwAkyv.jpg)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2302874/Real-Housewives-Orange-County-Vicki-Gunvalson-Miss-Piggy-taunts-hurt-feelings.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2302874/Real-Housewives-Orange-County-Vicki-Gunvalson-Miss-Piggy-taunts-hurt-feelings.html)
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yeah that's the one, here's the pic of shortening the maxilla and the upper lip and turning down the nose, shortening the chin.
it's kind of remarkable how shortening the mid face makes someone look so much more attractive. Too bad this is just photoshop, I'm
sure any real PS way to try and do this would look fake as f**k. As you can see from pekay's pics above, her actual PS looks like crap.
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I think the veneers might be to also cover the small gummy smile she had before and perhaps its not so much of a long mid-face but that her nose is still up making it seem like that? My tip is up but my nostrils are down so i dont really have what they call "piggy" nose
I think she was very beautiful before any surgery too
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the only huge difference i see is in the lighting and her skin, to me her hair and skin before looks dried up and leathery
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her midface isn't that long fortunately. she definitely looks better after but she looked fine before. her midface is naturally long im guessing, so it's not a huge deal. proportions matter more than a strong/weak jaw.
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For me she looked more natural before any work on her face, the pictures pekay posted the bottom right one is photoshoped, the top right one is from a tv program so you cant see her new face/skin like in natural light like the one in the left :) but she still looks good
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in the picture I posted, shortening the distance between the upper lip and the nose makes a RADICAL difference in her appearance and beauty. I'm surprised you guys can't see that. I'm not talking about pekay's pictures --her actual PS is crap. I'm just talking about what shortening the midface/speficially the upper lip can do.
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This is her pre-op + a morph that I did in MS Paint
shortened her mid-face and she still looks about the same
compact mid-face/long mid-face, short upper lip/long upper lip (philtrum) some people just aren't meant to be attractive
(http://i.imgur.com/EVipELk.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/XonWiie.jpg)
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This is her pre-op + a morph that I did in MS Paint
shortened her mid-face and she still looks about the same
compact mid-face/long mid-face, short upper lip/long upper lip (philtrum) some people just aren't meant to be attractive
(http://i.imgur.com/EVipELk.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/XonWiie.jpg)
i would say she looks MUCH better in your second photo Pekay.
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i would say she looks MUCH better in your second photo Pekay.
LOL I guess she looks a little better but even if she had 1 million bucks to blow this type of result is unattainable via current craniofacial/maxillofacial/plastic surgery
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I have it too, sucks so much that one of the most aesthetically unappealing aspects is unfixable and that I have it. Makes little sense to me either how it wouldn't be fixable, it seems like it would be a much easier fix than having a long nose, but apparently not. It's counterintuitive.
I'm gonna ask the max-fac surgeon next time I see him if bringing the lower jaw and chin forward will help the appearance of the philtrum, and retracted nasal columnella which only serves to accentuate the length.
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I'm gonna ask the max-fac surgeon next time I see him if bringing the lower jaw and chin forward will help the appearance of the philtrum, and retracted nasal columnella which only serves to accentuate the length.
aye that will help
(http://cdn.institutomaxilofacial.com/uploads/testimonial_photo/photo/84/1.png)
as far as the retracted columella you're going to need cartilage graft for that
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aye that will help
(http://cdn.institutomaxilofacial.com/uploads/testimonial_photo/photo/84/1.png)
as far as the retracted columella you're going to need cartilage graft for that
I'm not saying it will make it shorter, only give the illusion of it being shorter possibly. Better lip support post-surgery tends to curve the upper lip upwards and make it appear more full and make the lower lip less bulgy simultaneously. And bringing the lower face forward will make the profile less convex.
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another woman from the same show, same problem
(http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID264/images/gretchen_rossi.jpg)
her lip implants look good
(http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/images/gretchen_rossi_makeover.jpg)
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for Lazlo
(http://i.imgur.com/ykXSDWM.jpg)
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Gretchen Rossi
(http://i.imgur.com/SD14hZW.jpg)
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LOL.
Can you do William H. Macy? He has a long philtrum but I bet making his midface any shorter would just make him look really strange
(http://www.howmuchdotheyweigh.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/William-H.-Macy.jpg)
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for Lazlo
(http://i.imgur.com/ykXSDWM.jpg)
lol thanks pekay. someone told me i had facial dimensions (though unfortunately don't look anything like) Richard Gere --i.e. my facial proportions are similar. Interestingly, I think Gere looks a bit younger with a shorter midface, but he looks way wimpier and also kind of idiotic --I can't pin what it is but he looks stupid. He's good looking even now, but man, when he was younger there really is now one who just looks so overall appealing. I totally get why my mom's generation friggin adored richard gere. I mean really, the guy is blessed:
http://fineartamerica.com/featured/rolling-stone-cover-volume-446-4-25-1985-richard-gere.html (http://fineartamerica.com/featured/rolling-stone-cover-volume-446-4-25-1985-richard-gere.html)
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LOL.
Can you do William H. Macy? He has a long philtrum but I bet making his midface any shorter would just make him look really strange
(http://i.imgur.com/GbEr38n.jpg)
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Sarah Jessica Parker
(http://i.imgur.com/dLNGn76.jpg)
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If only it was that easy, lol.
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(http://i.imgur.com/GbEr38n.jpg)
Don't like the nose job on him, his face looks too empty and flat without it taking up a lot of space. Good example of one size doesn't fit all with aesthetics
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When the nose is too long and the mouth is too low it looks horse like and too short of a midface and it looks too bulldog like (wayne rooney as an example) I heard mouth breathing can elongate the nose as it messes up the direction of facial growth :|
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i seriously seriously doubt mouth breathing can alter the appearance of the nose.
none of those people seem to have any growth issues at all.
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i seriously seriously doubt mouth breathing can alter the appearance of the nose.
none of those people seem to have any growth issues at all.
It was just a rumour I heard from another forum. Basically when the eyes are too high on the face and the mouth too low you get that horse look and if the midface is too short you get a bulldog look. Women look best with short midfaces and men look better with normal midfaces.
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It was just a rumour I heard from another forum. Basically when the eyes are too high on the face and the mouth too low you get that horse look and if the midface is too short you get a bulldog look. Women look best with short midfaces and men look better with normal midfaces.
i disagree. it all boils down to proportions. richard geer's midface is quite long.
generally yes an elongated midface is bad news and rarely harmonizes well with the rest of one's features.
i just cant see how the appearance of the nose could in any way be affected by abnormal growth. maybe how it sits on the face but the shape/slope no way.
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i disagree. it all boils down to proportions. richard geer's midface is quite long.
generally yes an elongated midface is bad news and rarely harmonizes well with the rest of one's features.
i just cant see how the appearance of the nose could in any way be affected by abnormal growth. maybe how it sits on the face but the shape/slope no way.
Well midface is one of the biggest things in proportion. Everytime someones midface is too short/too long they'll look worse than they could. No exceptions.
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Well midface is one of the biggest things in proportion. Everytime someones midface is too short/too long they'll look worse than they could. No exceptions.
not necessarily. what makes a midface "too short/too long" is its relationship with the whole face.
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Ryan Gosling
(http://i.imgur.com/bATy1jU.jpg)
either my morphs suck or this whole spacing thing has been completely blown out of proportion, I'm guessing it's a combination of both (more so the latter tbh)
my theory is that being attractive is just as complex and complicated as being unattractive, trying to credit feature(s) or spacing as the reason to why a person is attractive or unattractive seems like one big fallacy (at least to me)
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Ryan Gosling
(http://i.imgur.com/bATy1jU.jpg)
either my morphs suck or this whole spacing thing has been completely blown out of proportion, I'm guessing it's a combination of both (more so the latter tbh)
my theory is that being attractive is just as complex and complicated as being unattractive, trying to credit feature(s) or spacing as the reason to why a person is attractive or unattractive seems like one big fallacy (at least to me)
the problem there is that your morph throws his 1/3rds out of proportion, now his upper 1/3rd is too big and he has a fivehead. he just doesn't have the head shape for a compact midface...
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the problem there is that your morph throws his 1/3rds out of proportion, now his upper 1/3rd is too big and he has a fivehead. he just doesn't have the head shape for a compact midface...
done. I still think he looks better in the "before"
(http://i.imgur.com/l1Wn2KD.jpg)
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It's his eyes that throw everything off, they're too close set.
Can you have a bash at Amy Winehouse next please.
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It's his eyes that throw everything off, they're too close set.
Can you have a bash at Amy Winehouse next please.
I have wide set eyes and feel like they make me look beta, his eyes are maybe just slightly too close-set
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I have wide set eyes and feel like they make me look beta, his eyes are maybe just slightly too close-set
Feminine, wide set eyes can look great on a bloke if he has other strong masculine festures going on.
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It's his eyes that throw everything off, they're too close set.
Can you have a bash at Amy Winehouse next please.
(http://i.imgur.com/PIF5o3I.jpg)
having a hard time finding a picture of Amy where she is looking straight at the camera and not smiling
(http://i.imgur.com/S6PJl5Q.jpg)
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not necessarily. what makes a midface "too short/too long" is its relationship with the whole face.
Yes thanks for agreeing with me. Thats why it looks worse because it falls out of balance with the other thirds. Wide set eyes and a shortish nose are deemed feminine traits so are good for females whereas normal set eyes and normal length noses are preferred in men.
In beauty you have
Symmetry
Proportions of features
Features and the harmony of the combination of said features.
Notice that Gosling has a normal nose length (compared to his other thirds) but his eyes are very close-set which is why many of you think he has a "long midface" to improve him you would need to give him better eye shape an further apart eyes. His nose is fine.
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(http://i.imgur.com/PIF5o3I.jpg)
having a hard time finding a picture of Amy where she is looking straight at the camera and not smiling
(http://i.imgur.com/S6PJl5Q.jpg)
Ding, ding we have a winner - Ryan looks much better in that one, much more balanced.
Amy looks more feminine, those eyes look enormous, but she's lost her edge and well, her Amyness.
You're very good at this, Pekay!
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Yes thanks for agreeing with me. Thats why it looks worse because it falls out of balance with the other thirds. Wide set eyes and a shortish nose are deemed feminine traits so are good for females whereas normal set eyes and normal length noses are preferred in men.
In beauty you have
Symmetry
Proportions of features
Features and the harmony of the combination of said features.
Notice that Gosling has a normal nose length (compared to his other thirds) but his eyes are very close-set which is why many of you think he has a "long midface" to improve him you would need to give him better eye shape an further apart eyes. His nose is fine.
symmetry doesn't matter as much as proportions. gosling does not have a long midface at all - unlike whinehouse (sp?).
not sure what u mean by shortish nose.
features dont matter that much imo...skin and hair definitely tho...
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Ryan Gosling
(http://i.imgur.com/bATy1jU.jpg)
either my morphs suck or this whole spacing thing has been completely blown out of proportion, I'm guessing it's a combination of both (more so the latter tbh)
my theory is that being attractive is just as complex and complicated as being unattractive, trying to credit feature(s) or spacing as the reason to why a person is attractive or unattractive seems like one big fallacy (at least to me)
I absolutely agree. It really is complicated. Not only does ryan gosling have a long midface, he has very close set eyes. there ARE many girls who think he's unattractive but who gives a f**k, most don't and it's in no small part because of his voice, acting ability, charisma --beauty is really quite a bit more complex. i'm retracting my former belief that short midfaces necessarily lead to beauty.
To tell you the truth, I think it might be more important for females. All the women you shortened look WAY, WAY better, but the guys, not so much or not at all.
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symmetry doesn't matter as much as proportions. gosling does not have a long midface at all - unlike whinehouse (sp?).
not sure what u mean by shortish nose.
features dont matter that much imo...skin and hair definitely tho...
Short means short relative to everything else. If you're 5ft8 and thats the tallest guy in the room you're tall under those circumstances. Shortish nose = little shorter than other thirds. Goslings nose is well proportioned its just his eyes that are too close together that throws off the balance.
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Ding, ding we have a winner - Ryan looks much better in that one, much more balanced.
Amy looks more feminine, those eyes look enormous, but she's lost her edge and well, her Amyness.
You're very good at this, Pekay!
drugs ruined her appearance.
she was super hot before all the booze and drugs
(http://topnews.in/light/files/Amy-Winehouse-.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Zz6Esje2A0g/Ti6LzeZbJiI/AAAAAAAAAIk/Cj0Yu84xUzM/s1600/amy_4.jpg)
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To tell you the truth, I think it might be more important for females. All the women you shortened look WAY, WAY better, but the guys, not so much or not at all.
I concur and Gere was a sexy beast when he was younger
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsieg3PMrX1r10mj5.jpg)
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While we are on the subject of midface length - has anybody ever actually heard what the ideal midface length is. Is there a mm length that that is considered to be the best or are there actually demarcations (anything over xxmm is a long midface etc).
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While we are on the subject of midface length - has anybody ever actually heard what the ideal midface length is. Is there a mm length that that is considered to be the best or are there actually demarcations (anything over xxmm is a long midface etc).
there is no *ideal* length because the most important variable is how the midface - or any trait - syncs with the rest of the face. just like a square jaw isn't always ideal.
gere is such a great example but his midface is enormous but it works for him. when talking about elongated midfaces it's a more specific reference to abnormally long midfaces most likely growth-related. a naturally long midface can look fine
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drugs ruined her appearance.
she was super hot before all the booze and drugs
(http://topnews.in/light/files/Amy-Winehouse-.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Zz6Esje2A0g/Ti6LzeZbJiI/AAAAAAAAAIk/Cj0Yu84xUzM/s1600/amy_4.jpg)
Here here. Amy was gorgeous before all of the drugs long midface or no long midface. Anyway isnt she jewish? Im sure that long midfaces come with the territory with jewish genes.
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let's worship richard gere's beauty some more
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let's worship richard gere's beauty some more
can you imagine if he had experienced even a few mm of vertical growth? it would ruin everything
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can you imagine if he had experienced even a few mm of vertical growth? it would ruin everything
yeah it's true. i guess that's why beauty is so incredibly rare. i mean there's the few mm as you say, but also everything else, the short philtrum, the perfectly spaced, hooded eyes. great skin tone and incredible hair, ridiculously full cheekbones and under eye area. i mean he looks better than most male models even. he even has quite strong nose, but the overall gestalt just works. i don't think any of us can realistically hope to attain richard gere level beauty regardless of what surgery is out there.
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yeah it's true. i guess that's why beauty is so incredibly rare. i mean there's the few mm as you say, but also everything else, the short philtrum, the perfectly spaced, hooded eyes. great skin tone and incredible hair, ridiculously full cheekbones and under eye area. i mean he looks better than most male models even. he even has quite strong nose, but the overall gestalt just works. i don't think any of us can realistically hope to attain richard gere level beauty regardless of what surgery is out there.
any kind of vertical growth, especially with the upper jaw, will undermine his other features - lengthen the philtrum definitely. the rest of his features might not synch as well and wouldnt appear as positive as they do now.
no surgery is a substitute for just natural genes
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for Lazlo
(http://i.imgur.com/ykXSDWM.jpg)
This is a huge improvement. I think he looks much more handsome and athletic with a shorter midface. I've noticed that long midfaces are rare among athletes, possibly because short midfaces go along with good genes.
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Kobe Bryant
(http://sporthangover.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/kobeunderbite.jpg)
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let's worship richard gere's beauty some more
God, he was really something wasn't he, him and Cindy Crawford made such a hot couple.
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Michael Phelps has a loooong midface and what looks like class III.
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(http://i.imgur.com/DayMM7m.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/DayMM7m.jpg)
imo the longer someone's midface the more important their features factor into their overall aesthetic. someone with a relatively compact/normal midface can get away with poorer features and still be attractive.
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(http://i.imgur.com/DayMM7m.jpg)
interesting, he does look better in this morph. I think partly because you've made him more youthful by taking away the slightly herniated(sagging) cheek area. but the difference isn't HUGE. he's attractive in both.
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Better before.... Girls opinion
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he also needs an otoplasty, a lateral canthexopy to cure his exorbitism, rhinoplasty with alar rim excision, and probably at least a genioplasty.
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guys i want to kill myself.
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You crazy kids ;D
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guys i want to kill myself.
. Just go out and bang a prozzi
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the potato head in the after is HOT!
You guys are going crazy!
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looool what program do you use to do these morphs?
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looool what program do you use to do these morphs?
online photoshop, http://pixlr.com/editor/ (http://pixlr.com/editor/)
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cool stuff
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so....
http://images1.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Hugh-Laurie-house-md-992851_1200_1243.jpg (http://images1.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Hugh-Laurie-house-md-992851_1200_1243.jpg)
long midface....no cheekbones whatsoever....ATTRACTIVE
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so....
http://images1.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Hugh-Laurie-house-md-992851_1200_1243.jpg (http://images1.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Hugh-Laurie-house-md-992851_1200_1243.jpg)
long midface....no cheekbones whatsoever....ATTRACTIVE
That's hilarious you thought of him since he's often come up in mind as a great example of what you're saying. Gives us long-faced, no cheekboned bros hope!
He looked like a goofball when he was younger too, maybe our best years await us sj!
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That's hilarious you thought of him since he's often come up in mind as a great example of what you're saying. Gives us long-faced, no cheekboned bros hope!
He looked like a goofball when he was younger too, maybe our best years await us sj!
exactly!!! "one day"!!!
I love house. He's just the best.
Anyhow, i think beauty lies in tapered jaws, not in short midfaces.
As ck has his theories on growth, i have mine on tapered jaws.
"Thy who has a v tapered shape jaw shall be attractive" from the book of stupidjaws, mephistopheles 1:28:39494
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so....
http://images1.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Hugh-Laurie-house-md-992851_1200_1243.jpg (http://images1.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Hugh-Laurie-house-md-992851_1200_1243.jpg)
long midface....no cheekbones whatsoever....ATTRACTIVE
House is sexy, no denying that. ;)
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exactly!!! "one day"!!!
I love house. He's just the best.
Anyhow, i think beauty lies in tapered jaws, not in short midfaces.
As ck has his theories on growth, i have mine on tapered jaws.
"Thy who has a v tapered shape jaw shall be attractive" from the book of stupidjaws, mephistopheles 1:28:39494
cant agree with the taper jaw theory either. i mean it is generally considered to be a positive feature but then so is a square jaw/wide cheekbones/sharp nose whatever. it doesnt matter if the features dont synch together.
some of the better looking people i know have very normal or small jaws but that's just me..
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LMAO you sir have lost your s**t... hahahaha.... and house will always be sexy, its his demeanor and the fact that his character is brilliant and he doesnt give a F. ;)
yeah but i'm funny. Funny=sexy, your argument is invalid.
lol i'm joking. I love house too. i just don't know why they cancelled it...something inside me died.
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yeah but i'm funny. Funny=sexy, your argument is invalid.
lol i'm joking. I love house too. i just don't know why they cancelled it...something inside me died.
Funny is sexy, so is confidence (so stop beating yourself up!!!) . I dont know why they cancelled it either, it was one of my absolute favorite series ever.... ugh imagine having someone like House as your surgeon LOL now that would be something.
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HOUSE wasn't cancelled, it just ended
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Funny is sexy, so is confidence (so stop beating yourself up!!!) .
touchè.
however, i'm very confident. That's why i isolated. Because i can't show myself being an insecure s**t with the awareness of my (yet mild) deformity. So, once my deformity will be cured, i'll be confident and funny and you, and all "western-civilized not overweight above average girls that shave frequently/genetically born without hair" will love me.
i'm joking. i will never be confident in that why. Life sucks too much to ooze confidents. to be confident you gotta be not onlyhappy of your looks, but your life should be smooth
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HOUSE wasn't cancelled, it just ended
why do all good things come to an end?
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why do all good things come to an end?
it was no longer a TOP 10 show, Laurie's pay check kept getting increasingly bigger each season and it's better to end a show on a high note (for syndication purposes) rather than jumping the shark and getting axed
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So, once my deformity will be cured, i'll be confident and funny and you, and all "western-civilized not overweight above average girls that shave frequently/genetically born without hair" will love me.
That is something I'd expect Borat to say, hahahaha
Yeah maybe it wasnt a top 10 show, but it was still great IMO ! Owell
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it was no longer a TOP 10 show, Laurie's pay check kept getting increasingly bigger each season and it's better to end a show on a high note (for syndication purposes) rather than jumping the shark and getting axed
please tell me what are top 10 shows if house wasn't.
i think...house, community, scrubs were really awesome shows....
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That is something I'd expect Borat to say, hahahaha
Yeah maybe it wasnt a top 10 show, but it was still great IMO ! Owell
loooool.
for all the dense people reading: i was just joking.
people gotta be aware of this otherwise they'd think i'm crazy.
cm, do you think i'm nuts?
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please tell me what are top 10 shows if house wasn't.
i think...house, community, scrubs were really awesome shows....
TOP 10 as far as Nielsen ratings
the current TOP 10 shows in the US are:
NCIS, Big Bang Theory, American Idol, NCIS: Los Angeles, Dancing with the Stars, The Voice, Castle, Criminal Minds, 60 Minutes and Modern Family
House was a top 10 show in it's early stages but it lost a lot of viewers after season 5
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viewers are uneducated peasants
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TOP 10 as far as Nielsen ratings
the current TOP 10 shows in the US are:
NCIS, Big Bang Theory, American Idol, NCIS: Los Angeles, Dancing with the Stars, The Voice, Castle, Criminal Minds, 60 Minutes and Modern Family
House was a top 10 show in it's early stages but it lost a lot of viewers after season 5
all of those shows are complete s**t lol, except Modern Family. House was awesome it's first 3 seasons, I wasn't a big fan when he changed his staff.
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loooool.
for all the dense people reading: i was just joking.
people gotta be aware of this otherwise they'd think i'm crazy.
cm, do you think i'm nuts?
I think you are nuts , yes especially after your Borat rant of women. lol
Awesome I dont watch any of those shows!
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all of those shows are complete s**t lol, except Modern Family. House was awesome it's first 3 seasons, I wasn't a big fan when he changed his staff.
watch season 6, first episode. great. class m8, class.
Euphoria, why do i think you're from the uk? anytime i talk to you i start typin in brit.
cheers m8
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I think you are nuts , yes especially after your Borat rant of women. lol
Awesome I dont watch any of those shows!
noooo. cm. I'm nut nuts. I was joking.
i'm nut nuts....see what i did there? loool!
I guess i'm high on not sleeping. it's 5:36 am and yesterday i slept 2 hours.
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all of those shows are complete s**t lol, except Modern Family. House was awesome it's first 3 seasons, I wasn't a big fan when he changed his staff.
dear god american idol why.
only good show out now is game of thrones. though i read 24 is being revived
tv is so boring.
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only good shows on TV right now are:
Breaking Bad, The Bridge/Broen and Jeopardy
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watch season 6, first episode. great. class m8, class.
Euphoria, why do i think you're from the uk? anytime i talk to you i start typin in brit.
cheers m8
british ancestry? my grandpa seems so british but he's irish i think, that must be where i get my thirst :)
Breaking Bad is good. The Sopranos, Lost, Seinfeld, Simpsons, and Twin Peaks are my all-time top 5
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only good shows on TV right now are:
Breaking Bad, The Bridge/Broen and Jeopardy
damn forgot about breaking bad, i guess if it was on. okay gotr and bb. theyre taking their good time to film that. wish they would cancel the walking dead/mad men and give all the money to breaking bad. terrible shows
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okay gotr and bb. theyre taking their good time to film that. wish they would cancel the walking dead/mad men and give all the money to breaking bad. terrible shows
YES! Hate Walking Dead and hate Mad Men, sucks that this is the last season of BB
the original Twilight Zone hosted by Rod Serling is amazing
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damn forgot about breaking bad, i guess if it was on. okay gotr and bb. theyre taking their good time to film that. wish they would cancel the walking dead/mad men and give all the money to breaking bad. terrible shows
I have the first season of GOT sitting on my shelf waiting to be watched, but I want to read the books first
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I have the first season of GOT sitting on my shelf waiting to be watched, but I want to read the books first
man eff the books. longer and more boring than LOTR. plus it's reading...
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noooo. cm. I'm nut nuts. I was joking.
i'm nut nuts....see what i did there? loool!
I guess i'm high on not sleeping. it's 5:36 am and yesterday i slept 2 hours.
Dude get some sleep, seriously, you're going to be a walking/typing zombie shortly lol
I love Sons of Anarchy, Family guy and the Office was okay.
LOTR IS AMAZING, WHO SPEAKETH SUCH BLASPHEMY!!!!
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man eff the books. longer and more boring than LOTR. plus it's reading...
I agree reading sucks... Abut I read half the first book and actually really liked it, might be worth reading the rest
WINTER IS COMING
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I think it's the height, IMO. He's about 6'3" or so?
Long face vs short face women and men. I think women 'get away' with a short face better and men 'get away' with a long face better. Which would make sense considering masculine and feminine bone structure. (Although generally the most beautiful female faces have strong, "masculine" cheekbones and jaw angle paired with feminine small noses, full lips and high eyebrows)
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a337/izzification/modelface3.jpg) (http://s14.photobucket.com/user/izzification/media/modelface3.jpg.html)
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a337/izzification/RosieHuntington-Whiteley19.jpg) (http://s14.photobucket.com/user/izzification/media/RosieHuntington-Whiteley19.jpg.html)
I think short face looks pretty bad though, but I have one so I am biased. Looks not disasterous on younger people (ie. cute) but on older people it just makes them look older
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a337/izzification/hairstyles_for_square_face_shapes_short_bad.jpg) (http://s14.photobucket.com/user/izzification/media/hairstyles_for_square_face_shapes_short_bad.jpg.html)
Why is it impossible to shorten the midface? I thought impaction of the maxilla was pretty common? It's done all the time with gummy smiles, no? Or does this not count as the midface? Confused....
yeah I actually agree with you. The guy with the short face looks worse than the long face, middle obviously looks the best. And the girl with the long face looks the worst of the 3. But a lot of guys look great with short midfaces
re: impaction will only shorten the lower 1/3rd not the midface. Think about it, the excess length you're seeing from a gummy smile or open bite is below the upper lip. That's what lip incompetence is, it's the clearest illustration of where the length is coming from (and where it'll be removed when a maxilla impacted).
The distance between the eye and upper lip cannot be changed with orthognathic surgery, only PS. Although jaw surgery can make it look shorter which can be just as important.
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Disagree, If upper is moved forward does make area from brow to upper lip longer..
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I rhink men look best with a 1:1 midface ratio, while women looks better in a slightly shorter midface ratio, however I can see why some men posted here can pull off having a long midface, the have other stuff going on, for example Ryan Gosling has an overall robusticity which gives him points in sexyness, notice that often guys who have long midfaces and are often considered sexy tend to only fall under that category: sexy, but you can't say for example that they are what you'd call "pretty", guys like Brad Pitt though are both, he has robust well developed bones all over while still mainting ideal "pretty" ratios.
I guess what I'm trying to say that if you are a guy with a long midface but still have other well developed bones (strong brows, jaws, maxilla, cheekbones) you can pull it off easy.
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I rhink men look best with a 1:1 midface ratio, while women looks better in a slightly shorter midface ratio, however I can see why some men posted here can pull off having a long midface, the have other stuff going on, for example Ryan Gosling has an overall robusticity which gives him points in sexyness, notice that often guys who have long midfaces and are often considered sexy tend to only fall under that category: sexy, but you can't say for example that they are what you'd call "pretty", guys like Brad Pitt though are both, he has robust well developed bones all over while still mainting ideal "pretty" ratios.
I guess what I'm trying to say that if you are a guy with a long midface but still have other well developed bones (strong brows, jaws, maxilla, cheekbones) you can pull it off easy.
Generally i agree, but Justin Bieber is an unusual exception of long midface but pretty. Not abnormally so, but he also has a narrow face too
(http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/84501383/Justin+Bieber+PNG.png)
who knows, maybe he'd look better with a shorter one too. short midfaces provide a much smoother transition between features which is why I think they're almost always superior to long midfaces
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Are you sure? cause I just pulled up few pictures and he actually has a short midface:
(http://i42.tinypic.com/1znv3mq.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2m64kty.jpg)
Vertical line is shorter that the horizontal in both pics.
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Oh maybe not then, his head shape is taller than longer (oblong) so it might just me be perceiving more length than there is
where do you take that measure? distance b/w outer orbitals and from nasion to lips?
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Yeah I guess it creates an opticall illusion.
What do you mean? like where I learned that? had a private analysis with missj and she used that to determine to midfacial ratios.
Some people say that the horizenal line shouldn't go past the iris, but I don't know, I measured tons of good looking guys ratios, and none fall in the 1:1 ratio with that measurement, they always tend to be around 1.1:1 (vertical to horizontal), while missj's always gives me roughly a 1:1 ratio, so I'd say hers are more accurate.
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Yeah I guess it creates an opticall illusion.
What do you mean? like where I learned that? had a private analysis with missj and she used that to determine to midfacial ratios.
Some people say that the horizenal line shouldn't go past the iris, but I don't know, I measured tons of good looking guys ratios, and none fall in the 1:1 ratio with that measurement, they always tend to be around 1.1:1 (vertical to horizontal), while missj's always gives me roughly a 1:1 ratio, so I'd say hers are more accurate.
what did you think of her morphs and analysis? was it worth the price she charges?
brb doing that measurement on my own face :D
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what did you think of her morphs and analysis? was it worth the price she charges?
brb doing that measurement on my own face :D
Well I think that she's very knowledgable that's for sure, but she also tends to not go overboard with her consultations, for example for our initial consultation, she recommended that I get implants that were off-the-shelf, her recommendation was really good for what implants can do, that's for sure, but being a neurotic prick, I knew that this isn't exactly what I was hoping for, so I was underwhelmed with the morphs and her implants suggestions.
She later sent me another morphs few months later for free when she saw me babbling about how jaw surgery is superior to implants in one of the threads, I'd say that at this point I was really impressed with the morph and she really doesn't just use the warp tool and move things around, she makes all the changes acording to where the distraction will take place.
I'd say that initial the consult gave me a very good platform to start doing my own reserch since I was a total noob when I first approached her.
Good luck with the measurement btw, try to use both approaches and let me know how it turned!
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Well I think that she's very knowledgable that's for sure, but she also tends to not go overboard with her consultations, for example for our initial consultation, she recommended that I get implants that were off-the-shelf, her recommendation was really good for what implants can do, that's for sure, but being a neurotic prick, I knew that this isn't exactly what I was hoping for, so I was underwhelmed with the morphs and her implants suggestions.
She later sent me another morphs few months later for free when she saw me babbling about how jaw surgery is superior to implants in one of the threads, I'd say that at this point I was really impressed with the morph and she really doesn't just use the warp tool and move things around, she makes all the changes acording to where the distraction will take place.
I'd say that initial the consult gave me a very good platform to start doing my own reserch since I was a total noob when I first approached her.
Good luck with the measurement btw, try to use both approaches and let me know how it turned!
Yeah that was my opinion too based on one conversation we had. She definitely knows her stuff, but it was no 'insider knowledge' that only she had or something, much of it I already knew from general research I've been doing for months. So for a noob to this stuff, I can definitely see the price being worth it. But I bet should could help recommend PS procedures since I've spent zero time researching that
I need to find a high quality pic of me looking dead-on first. what ratio did you get for your face? I think mines going to be on the longer end
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My ratio's 0.98:1 which is basically 1:1 really.
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My ratio's 0.98:1 which is basically 1:1 really.
huh
I got 0.87:1 but I only used a crappy webcam photo with probably distortion
I have wide spaced eyes though which is probably why my number is so low
ok scratch that I was doing it wrong, 0.95:1 is what I get
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Good for you!
Just to go over it quick, the horizontal line should be from the outer orbit of the pupil to the other outer orbit of the other pupil, the vertical line should be from the midline of the horizontal line all the way to the line where both lips meet, basically making a T line, now devide the vertical line overr the horizontal line to get your ratio, I use a program called screenscales to make the measurement, comes in handy.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Enhancements/Other-Desktop-Enhancements/Screen-Scales.shtml (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Enhancements/Other-Desktop-Enhancements/Screen-Scales.shtml)
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Good for you!
Just to go over it quick, the horizontal line should be from the outer orbit of the pupil to the other outer orbit of the other pupil, the vertical line should be from the midline of the horizontal line all the way to the line where both lips meet.
yeah first time I messed up in using the very edge of the eyes lol. second time I got it right
you said 1:1 is ideal? I just don't get it cause my face looks anything but short so something else is contributing to the length, might be the length in my mandible. my wide-spaced eyes save my face from looking LOOOONG
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It could very well be your lower third that's long rather than your actual midface, try using the program that I posted the link to and see if you get similar ratios.
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It could very well be your lower third that's long rather than your actual midface, try using the program that I posted the link to and see if you get similar ratios.
you can do it for free here http://pixlr.com/editor/ (http://pixlr.com/editor/)
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Look at that, that really will come in handy, thanks.
The program I posted isn't an editor btw, it's a scale to meaure the lines, you know rather than sticking a ruler on your computer screen, lol.
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Look at that, that really will come in handy, thanks.
The program I posted isn't an editor btw, it's a scale to meaure the lines, you know rather than sticking a ruler on your computer screen, lol.
no problem sir
what's your story with jaw issues?
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Well, I have no malocclusion to speak of since I had my bite corrected years ago by the orth, only problem is like most members here, my ortho f**ked me over by taking 4 teeth out and pulling everything inwards, what's even more outraging is that I didn't need extractions even by traditional orthodontics sense, I have gone to several dentist when I was a kid and none required to pull my tooth out, as I didn't have any crowding just "bunny teeth", this jerk however thought it's a better shortcut to pull everything out to make his job easier.
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hello, This topic is great I was searching for information on jaw surgery movements that make the philtrum look shorter because mine is a bit long and surgeon wants to reduce my chin. I think proportionally this is gonna make my philtrum looks even longer. Im doing mostly for aesthetics.
is there any movement on the upper jaw that would make the philtrum less flat an long? If he rotates my upper jaw counterclockwise and advances it a bit, would it make philtrum longer or shorter?
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Rather than attempting to shorten the midface (especially if you're a guy), I would argue that ought to opt for moving the eyes apart (unless the face truly is abnormally long). This would accomplish the illusion of a shorter midface.
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sure. just undergo a rare osteotomy reserved for crauzons, discard a textbook leforti impaction and end looking like a freak. it will work especially if you are a guy.
Sarcasm aside, is there any reason why this wouldn't work? Dr. Sinn supposedly performs orbital rim osteotomies that may widen PD by a few mms.
The reason that I cannot have impaction is that my maxilla is in its ideal position already. Moreover, decreasing (average) midfacial height will give one a smaller face, which isn't exactly ideal for masculine dimorphism.
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Sarcasm aside, is there any reason why this wouldn't work? Dr. Sinn supposedly performs orbital rim osteotomies that may widen PD by a few mms.
The reason that I cannot have impaction is that my maxilla is in its ideal position already. Moreover, decreasing (average) midfacial height will give one a smaller face, which isn't exactly ideal for masculine dimorphism.
Hey Charles-Guillaume, have you consulted with Sinn? When you go to Texas take me a long, there are tons of fun things to do there like go to gun ranges and really hot chicks and beautiful countryside. I loved hanging in Texas. Let's f**king do this! Widen IPD, shorten midface, get perfect jaws!!! Sinn even does chin-wing so I'm hoping to get it done. My date it looks should be around mid-September. I swear to god, I'm gonna break down crying if this f**king surgery works and I can take these f**king braces off finally.
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dr Sinn is mentioned in every 2nd thread on this forum, he truly is a jesus christ of maxillo facial surgery.
No you have to be VERY careful here. What happens is someone (in this case me and earl) go for a consult. The surgeon may promise you the world. But we have no concrete results except for Earl's osteotomy that was done very well for his orbital rims. I'll be the first person from this forum to have surgery with him so I cannot recommend him yet. I'm the guinea pig on this one, but I've thrown all my chips in, I have nothing and everything to lose at this point.
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lazlo im sure you'll be fine and going to get good results. Obviously just make sure youre getting the right procedures....
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Exactly. This is one of the reasons why I still didn't embark on surgery train, despite the fact that some surgeons told me very promising (optimistic?) words, but at the end, they're still a sellers and I am a costumer .Also, not showing any of the before-afters with same type of skeletal problem as I have and undergoing the same procedure that I need, I'm hardly buying anything they're saying, not to mention that they show examples done on females, which have totally different facial structure and often results are way more successful on female sex as well. On top of that, 3 of 5 of them do have a private practise, so the bias due to financial interest might be even more reasonable to take into account, for a comparison to public health institutions.
Then when it comes to midface, I think there is a high degree of gamble, especially if you don't have some severe deformity, which may be commonly the case on this forum, at least according the the posts that some guys are posting here. Custom midface procedures are a big grain of salt for me - for instance that guy you mentioned above, who indeed undergone a "modified" lefortiii (a modified infraorbital-zygomatic osteotomy, or however you call it since it's custom osteotomy) could gave him not that satisfying results, because performing this kind of stuff can give very feminizing look, especially if over-advanced. I could be very wrong, but it's what I saw from his very vague pre and post-op images and feminising effect is common in ZSO procedure as well. Very grey area, if you ask me, so be careful.
I would also like to know, what's your surgical plan and initial skeletal conditions?
IMO, it very much depends on the shape of the bones as well. My surgeon did a full lefort iii on non syndromal patients. They were not feminized. They did not become models either.
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I'm confused, is it possible to shorten the midface or no? And if so how?
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Not possible right now because even if the underlying bones were shortened, the soft tissue on the outside will remain the same length.
i.e someone with a long midface have a long distance from the nasion to the base of the nose. If the surgeon were to impact his bones around the nasal cavity, his bone structure underneath will become shorter but the long nose length on the outside will remain the same distance. The only way to match the soft tissue with the new shortened skeletal structure is to excise the extra length from the soft tissue and stitch it back which is practically impossible at this time.
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I agree with you. A short midface isn't inherently better. I think having a longer midface with a balance of jaw width is pteferrable. It is when this longer midface is paired with narrow jaws and cheekbones... Then it isn't balanced.
The downside is that jaw surgery has a marginal impact on jaw and cheekbone width. The only way to accomplish that isbpaste, fillers or implants. I guess in some instances osteotomy.
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Bumped into this one tonight.
Still the best title in the history of the forum.
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She has no midface problem. Het philtrum is too long and her chin is too long. Liplift + shortening or shaving chin might do the trick. I wouldn't call that a midfaceproblem. First, we have to define what a long midface is by the way.
Also, long midface for women is usually more problematic than for males. Males can lengthen lower third to balance things out, women usually can't do that.
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LOL GJ! Holla at your boy!
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i would say she looks MUCH better in your second photo Pekay.
Are you high? Thats a terrible photoshop pic. She only has a long upper lip anyway her midface is fine. Someone like SJPhas a truly long midface