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General Category => Functional Surgery Questions => Topic started by: tryintorecover on October 19, 2019, 11:48:01 AM
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I have no idea what we’re supposed to be looking at. You need to wait several weeks and then post before and after pictures at from multiple angles showing more of your face.
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I have no idea what we’re supposed to be looking at. You need to wait several weeks and then post before and after pictures at from multiple angles showing more of your face.
I am just afraid if such a cut can even fuse together with the bone
Also can swelling cause recessed chin as mine is extremely recessed, I just want to know this please
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The bone will form a union. You need to wait a few months to see if you’re satisfied
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1: To the best of my knowledge, there are 2 surgeons I know of who studied under Triaca; Zarrinbal and Brusco. Are there any more?
2: Your bone scans show an AMPLE advancement of the chin, increase vertical dimention to the WHOLE mandibular border and increased WIDTH projection to whole mandibular border.
3: When soft tissue settles down (swelling stops), there should be approx a 1:1 relationship where you will see ABOUT as much augmentation to your lower jaw area AS was the dimentional increase via the bone cutting surgery.
4: It doesn't matter that you don't understand the bone healing process, such as fusing, osteo-integration. What matters is that part takes some time and surgeries are designed with bone HEALING in mind.
5: You don't say how post op you are. But I suspect it is EARLY post op. Your surgeon SHOULD HAVE given you a READ OUT as what to expect post op and HOW LONG for the soft tissues to heal. IF he did, than you should read it.
6: If you are early PO, it doesn't matter either about changes you are looking at now BECAUSE much is SWELLING. See #'s 2 and 3.
In essence, it is too EARLY to freak out. End of story.
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My doctor called called Dr.Andreischev from St Petersburg performed this surgery on me, he and I agreed to meet in Kazakhstan as it was a quick direct flight visa free for me from Hong Kong to Almaty and he often went to Kazakhstan to perform surgeries.
After performing surgery on 17th October around 2pm. He only saw me 2 days later on 19th October 12pm, the last day before he leaves back to St Petersburg.
I start swelling up on my bottom lip around the area where he made the incisions and he says it’s normal and would go down by the next day which isn’t happening at all as i believe it’s an infection(swelling of the gums)
He said Dr.Albino Triaca would come to St Petersburg to do a live demonstration of surgery
Dr.Andreischev is the guy on the right side(the one with short height) of Albino Triaca in this pic.
Idk what to do
I am all alone in a country where no one knows me in a rented apartment, I fear going out because of what I have turned into... my only option is to run to Dr. Albino Triaca to help me before I end up committing suicide over what has happened to me but How would I even contact Dr Albino since he is mostly out of office...
You are freaking out TOO SOON. 2 f*cking days....swelling is WORSE on day 2-3 and won't go down for a while. You don't need to run to Triaca on day number 2. NORMAL to be very DISTORTED during first week. Rinse with warm water and salt.
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First days, especially from day 2, is peak swelling. Then you'll still have alot of swelling for a couple of weeks. At about 2-3 months, about 80-90 percent of swelling is gone. If you're not satisfied by then, it starts getting tricky. The resudal swelling is like 10-20 percent and there's a chance you will be satisfied when this risidual swelling is gone, but the chance is small. Real test is how people react on you. If they start to act weird etc. there might be something unnatural looking or you dropped in looks instead of going up. But the first days, you really can't say much about the result.
My jaws and face were ruined after cw and before that due to implants. I managed to reconstruct my facial structure and it looks much better now, so even if this goes wrong, you'll still have the possibility for revision. Nothing is lost unless you give up. I understand how you feel, especially because it's your first procedure. The swelling is enormous and anxiety as well. It f**ks with your head. But it's impossible to judge your face after 2 days, trust me. Your face looks like a balloon now, it's impossible to judge. You should wait weeks and then there might be a chance it's still not how you wanted it to be, but right now you can't judge.
Often times, there is asymetric swelling. Swelling in different parts of the face isn't synchronic. The chin usually swells less than the jaw parts and the swelling of the chin comes down sooner. Swelling on jawparts is usually enormous, especially day 2-3. We can't judge yet, but there might be a distortion, namely that you have the feeling your chin is recessed compared to the jaw, due to enormous swelling of the jaw. That being said, it's just very very difficult to judge your own face as a human being. Your brain can fck with your judgement. Sometimes it can make you believe you look better than you really are, sometimes it can make you believe you look worse than you are, other times it can make you think there's a flaw in one part, while there isn't really a flaw or the flaw is somewhere else. This is part of being a human. You have to be patient, trust me.
Some advice i give you:
- Do not take the bandage off
- Don't chew on hard things
- Don't put pressure on your jaw
Especially the first 1.5 week.
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Is that suicide comment hyperbole/joke or is that honestly what you're thinking?
At the very least, below are international suicide prevention hotlines. I don't know what Country you're in, but you should probably call the closest one.
https://www.iasp.info/resources/Crisis_Centres/
Also, you should wait for swelling to subside before making final judgements.
Your chin looks pretty much in the same position in all those photos; your head angle looks to be changing in them, though, which could give the illusion of the chin being more or less projected. Is it me or are there no pre-op pictures? I don't see any.
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I think i might be actually falling into a depression
I am even crying in my dreams and they’re all 1 hour long each before I wake up all sweaty and with a high heartbeat
Can you somehow please get me in touch with Dr.Albino Triaca if swelling doesn’t subside so that I would be saved. I am really scared and don’t want to go back home looking like this.
I just woke up and now even my jaw from the inside of mouth is getting swollen around the incision marks
Dude CALM DOWN. Swelling is 100% normal and it will take several months to see your result. Relax
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Come back in 10 days.
No one here will be calling Triaca . No one will be performing revision surgery on you on day #3.
Call your doctor with your freak out. They should have some kind of answering service if you THINK this is an emergency. It is NOT. Swelling is NORMAL. But you aren't.
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Take a few deep breaths. You are not thinking clearly right now. You've just been through a big surgery and the meds are possibly messing with your mind.
Are you in touch with friends/family? When do you fly home?
Not a good idea to do a jaw surgery in a foreign country all alone with no support :-\
Triaca will tell you the same thing as everyone else here: you need to wait it out until the swelling subsides.
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Day 3 is the depressive stage for jaw surgery recovery. You just had a huge osteotomy. This causes massive swelling. Your perception of a recessed chin is probably just from that. If you don't like the result at week 3, then by all means panic. It looks like you can grow facial hair. Grow a beard in the meantime. Fwiw, you could've saved yourself a lot of trouble and money doing just that to begin with.
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I have the feeling we're all mentally very sick, or maybe it's just my temporary thought, or some people are sane on this board. Or at least we're mentally vulnerable. I see so many here in this endless cycle of procedures.
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I have the feeling we're all mentally very sick, or maybe it's just my temporary thought, or some people are sane on this board. Or at least we're mentally vulnerable. I see so many here in this endless cycle of procedures.
I stopped after 1.
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Sorry I know this does not help OP but just a quick question about chin wings: if someone only has a chin wing (no bsso etc.), does it require prior orthodontic treatment? Or is it like a genioplasty that can be done without braces?
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Sorry I know this does not help OP but just a quick question about chin wings: if someone only has a chin wing (no bsso etc.), does it require prior orthodontic treatment? Or is it like a genioplasty that can be done without braces?
The latter.
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can you please tell me what this is on my lip, I fear it might be infection
I used to get this kind of thing when I was wearing braces and it was completely harmless and used to resolve on it's own within a few days. If it hurts, you can try to get the kind of cream they sell in pharmacies for babies who are teething and apply it, it used to help me.
I know it's easy to say but I honestly think you're overreacting, you're most likely completely fine in every ways and just need to try to calm down. Watch a movie, eat ice cream if you can, listen to music or something like that. Maybe try to forget about surgeons and surgery forums for at least a few days.
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I used to get this kind of thing when I was wearing braces and it was completely harmless and used to resolve on it's own within a few days. If it hurts, you can try to get the kind of cream they sell in pharmacies for babies who are teething and apply it, it used to help me.
I know it's easy to say but I honestly think you're overreacting, you're most likely completely fine in every ways and just need to try to calm down. Watch a movie, eat ice cream if you can, listen to music or something like that. Maybe try to forget about surgeons and surgery forums for at least a few days.
I would have ulcers like that come and go for the first two years post-jaw surgery. Not saying that OP shouldn't get them checked out though.
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That is what I intend to do
I m researching now
If you know any maxfacs in USA then do suggest please
Also sorry to bother you but this is emergency update @kavan @ben from UK
can you please tell me what this is on my lip, I fear it might be infection
I have messaged my surgeon and I am awaiting his reply
Edit: he replied and said it’s intramucosal edema, I told him I developed this ever since I came back from hospital aka yesterday and he says it’s normal...
He says clinic won’t drain it as incision will increase infection or odema and I ask him how to tell the difference between infection and odema
He says infection is white pus or yellow and odema is transparent....
I m worried right now
Those look like canker sores but probably are what your doctor said they were. You should be bathing inside of mouth with very warm SALT water which helps heal. He is CORRECT not to incise it to drain.
You have been told COUNTLESS times that what you have is SWELLING=odema.
There is no need for 'updates' given that all your 'updates' are the SAME freak out DESPITE being told it is to early to freak out and what you have is NORMAL.
WARNING WARNING!
IF you CONTINUE with these FREAK-OUTS despite being told that you need to wait 10 days, I will consider the act of giving you advice on this board a WASTE OF TIME and will BAN you for the 10 days for which you need to CHILL OUT. So, one more freak out despite being told what you have is normal and it will be a 10 day TIME OUT ban for you.
You too 'Biterelapse' for ENABLING him further.
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listen man, this advice may jump the gun, but i know it wont be bad advice. I would go see THE BEST REVISION DOCTORS POSSIBLE. just have him take a look at you and decide if you need revision. i wouldnt continue trusting this group of people , go to the USA where standards of care are higher and look for a great surgeon
You shouldn't be ENABLING his being freaked out for post op things that are normal and the fact that you are calling into question his surgeon is something I need to ask you a question about:
Have you ever posted on this board before under a different name?
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First couple weeks you naturally feel depressed after surgery. Calm the f**k down, what are you five years old? Nothing has gone wrong. Even if something did it can easily be fixed. But it hasn't. Do you have access to any drugs in the country you're in, like ativan? also known as lorazepam? or valium or some s**t? Go buy some from a pharmacy and take as directed. It will calm you the f**k down.
Again, every one here who has had surgery experiences buyer's remorse, depression, bad mood, regret etc. in the first few weeks. Let things settle and in a month or so re-evaluate your appearance. Even from the s**tty pictures you're showing us everything looks fine. So CALM DOWN, watch your fav tv shows, go explore the city, no one gives a f**k what you look like. have as much fun and diversions as you can and then re-evaluate in a couple weeks.
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You too 'Biterelapse' for ENABLING him further.
Exactly! If I understand it correctly, OP is in Kazahstan, just had surgery, is freaking out. The very last thing he needs is people saying he definitely needs revision surgery - we have no idea what he needs, we aren't doctors and haven't seen him and his scans etc. Last thing this person needs is thinking that he now has to fly to the USA and spend loads of money on more procedures and freak himself out even more. All he needs is to calm down, with friends and family around him if possible. Everything else can be decided later.
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SORRY :( hope my message is not causing more stress- not qualified to advice or recomnnd
hope you feel better soon
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Exactly! If I understand it correctly, OP is in Kazahstan, just had surgery, is freaking out. The very last thing he needs is people saying he definitely needs revision surgery - we have no idea what he needs, we aren't doctors and haven't seen him and his scans etc. Last thing this person needs is thinking that he now has to fly to the USA and spend loads of money on more procedures and freak himself out even more. All he needs is to calm down, with friends and family around him if possible. Everything else can be decided later.
Indeed! No one in USA I know of who even does the 'chin wing' surgery.
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Day 4
Bandage came off
My face looks very bloated and felt heavy like gravity is pulling me down
My muscles in my legs have turned cake soft probably because i can barely eat anything
My lip ulcers have quadrupled in siZe, I m going to Ask for a cream tomorrow when I go to the clinic where my surgery was performed
By the end of the night
My jaw on the right side started hurting, surgeon says on WhatsApp that it may be due to the bone moving around and hitting the nerves a bit ....
Was the bandage supposed to come off on day #4? Compression bandages usually are kept on for about a week and kind of help 'push' the swelling back in.
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I asked him to allow me to put it back on again today as the pain was bad
So he says do it but don’t make it too tight as he had 2 other patients who had put it on and it made their chin develop scar tissue
WHO took the bandage off and HOW LONG was it supposed to be on there. Answer those questions.
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Surgeon told me that the bandage wrapped around my head to reduce swelling was not necessary after day 3 so on day 4 I had to take bandage wrapped around my head off myself at home in the morning but then by night put it back on due to right side jaw pain
hmmm....the whole first week is MASSIVE SWELLING and the bandage also helps to prevent things moving around too much. Bandage is like BONDAGE to limit freedom of movement and hold things in place.
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I wouldn't worry about not having a bandage. There are tons of people who don't even have bandages after chin osteotomy or jaw surgery. The f**king screws are in place.
You look fine. You're going to have swelling for weeks if not months so just relax. You can always have another genioplasty again to augment and lengthen further but right now you look balanced and you need to stop visiting this site and stop worrying. f**king enjoy yourself bro. Your mind is driving itself crazy. Breathe, calm down, relax and watch tv etc. Just relax every day that passes and every week you're keep feeling and looking better.
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OK, dude. That's it for you. I'm giving you a TIME OUT (temp ban). Grounds: Freak outs of yours resulting into taking EXTRA anti-biotics NOT prescribed.
Putting a photo of your chin work with a MASK over it. How stupid is that?
I'm sorry but these extremely LOW IQ posts of yours where your freak outs risk endangering YOURSELF. I'm needing a break from your stupidity. 10 day TIME OUT for you.
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Lower face looking 'square' is what a lot of guys like. For comparison, you need to put BEFORE photos up too.
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chin is not really recessive and chin wings don't do anything to the cheeks. If it 'ruined' you, then show before photos where you feel you looked better.
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yeah i'm sorry bud. people here are kind, they won't steal your photos or anything. or post in the PRIVATE SECtiON. Post some photos of you before in profile and frontal without any sort of black marker or mustache etc. Just lose all that stuff we need to see your whole face. And beside show us pics of how you look now again without the facial hair and marker. You're going to have to reveal yourself to get an honest opinion. And we will give you an HONEST opinion. It's possible you look fine and the look will improve. But it is also possible you may need a re-do. I can't tell yet.
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You mentioned in the beginning you used to be bullied for your looks. Looking at your before picture, I can't imagine anybody ever bullying you for your looks - you looked perfectly normal and you still look normal now. I am a woman and my face is 'non-standard' and even I have never been bullied for my looks so I have no idea what you're talking about.
What you definitely need is a good haircut. Your hair looks a complete mess in the before as well as the after, not an attractive look. You should sort that out as well as your facial hair, get better clothes and calm down, that's my two cents.
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yeah in addition to what i said, shave off that stupid facial hair. it's not doing anything for you.
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Honestly come back in 2.5 months and forget about it until then IMO.
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These are the only before pic I have before.
Well, before surgery but WITH beard is hard to tell. But WTF?, what's with the 4th photo where it looks to be a younger person who doesn't need ANY surgery who looks perfect? IF that's you, how much before surgery was that. I mean that is NOT the type of face where someone needs a beard to hide any aesthetic problems. Is that you? Did you have some kind of surgery prior to the chin wing to ruin the perfection in the young face of the 4th photo. What's the story with the 4th photo?
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Well, before surgery but WITH beard is hard to tell. But WTF?, what's with the 4th photo where it looks to be a younger person who doesn't need ANY surgery who looks perfect? IF that's you, how much before surgery was that. I mean that is NOT the type of face where someone needs a beard to hide any aesthetic problems. Is that you? Did you have some kind of surgery prior to the chin wing to ruin the perfection in the young face of the 4th photo. What's the story with the 4th photo?
I was also thinking this. Looks like a leaner version of him with MUCH better skin. Not sure why he would pursue a CW of all operations with bones like that.
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Yeah, something in this whole story doesn't add up.
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I was also thinking this. Looks like a leaner version of him with MUCH better skin. Not sure why he would pursue a CW of all operations with bones like that.
I'm really curious to know IF that 4th photo was from a long time ago when he was younger and also if he had some surgery to that face before getting the CW. I mean, seriously, if his face looked like that and did not change much before CW surgery, he would NOT have needed any beard in his OTHER before photos. IDK, but what if he's got the 'BDD'? Those types get surgery over surgery and along the line of doing that can ruin their look in the process.
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No conclusions can be drawn based on these pics. Too much mustache/beards, bad lighting etc.
On one pic, you look like another person. Only thing i see on most pics (except the one with more clear skin without beard) is that you might have had a steep golonial angle. Will it be a bit better now? I don't know, too much swelling. You might have gotten what you wanted though, just be a bit more patient.
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This might be one of the worst posts I’ve read.
You’re complaining about how a square jaw doesn’t look good without strong cheekbones. Well why did you get the surgery in the first place; you didn’t get a malar osteotomy in conjunction with it. So it seems that have magical thinking in that the chin wing would give you cheekbones? I don’t get it.
Your jaw angle drop down and mandible border widening is the most savage and aggressive I’ve ever seen, or even thought was possible. You’re likely going to like your results.
As Brusco said, the thing you should be worrying about is how the lateral borders weren’t even fixated with plates. Like maybe it will heal fine, but what the hell?
In terms of your chin, yes swelling can make it look smaller. Also look how swollen your lower lip is. But even if it doesn’t come out as big as you want it to, you can get a low cost genioplasty with anybody in the world to further perfect it. I mean hardly something to be this ridiculously dramatic over.
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I'm going to be blunt - you can't get girls because you look scruffy. Nothing to do with your chin, your chin is perfectly fine. The steroids you have been taking messed up your skin (you should try to sort that out too), you look like someone that doesn't look after himself and that's unattractive. You need a shave, a hair cut, a facial, decent clothes - all this takes about a day, hardly costs anything and you don't need to break bones for it. In addition, you are one of those few people that should really work on their personality too because reading lookism websites and freaking out if there's a problem is not cool.
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That clean shave was taken in 2013 at my leanest(70kg) aged 18 during the days when I was delusional and thought I could get girls with muscles as I was following Zyzz...
And no
I never had a single surgery before chin wing due to me always chickening out
I went ahead and used steroids which accelerated hair loss lol but by the time I started using steroids, I had started to visit websites like lookism etc which made me realise I won’t get girls because of muscles as my face was not up to tier so I quit lifting and just continued using testosterone enanthate at 250mg per week ever since(my natural testosterone level was 271ng/dL at age 17 which was super low)
Now the bearded pics are from 2018, I don’t take much pics and never did a clean shave because the facial hair helped mask a long midface
My goal is to look like Toni mahfud who has a long midface too, his long midface is masked thanks to his bulging zygos and wide jaw
Okay. I figured something like this was going on here. I hope you realize Zyzz died in his 20s because of his steroid abuse. You're still cruising on 250mg of test-e which is WAY too high. My guess is your t-levels are far out of the natural range and you are putting your body at serious risk. I'm also guessing you're not using any aromitase inhibitors so your estrogen is probably too high as well.
You've kind of f**ked yourself up by making rash decisions without considering the long-term consequences. You actually had GOOD facial structure and you have gone and cut your bones. I can only hope your result is okay when the swelling goes down. Your face looks far worse now primarily because the test-e caused acne, and I'm sure your hair line isn't thanking you either.
My advice is to get OFF test-e and run a PCT. You're also going to probably need HCG if you ever want to have kids. See if you can normalize your hormones naturally. I know for damn sure no doctor prescribed you 250mg/wk so you're doing this illicitly. If your hormone levels can't recover to normal levels because you've been on such a high dose for so long, you need to go to a men's clinic for TRT where they will help you manage everything.
What blows my mind is you stopped working out because muscles don't help get girls (???) but you CONTINUED to cruise a cycle-level of test-e and then opted for a CW when you already had good bones. Seems to be an endless loop of poor decisionmaking and always seeking the easy way out. You need to step back from all this get your head straight.
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That clean shave was taken in 2013 at my leanest(70kg) aged 18 during the days when I was delusional and thought I could get girls with muscles as I was following Zyzz...
And no
I never had a single surgery before chin wing due to me always chickening out
I went ahead and used steroids which accelerated hair loss lol but by the time I started using steroids, I had started to visit websites like lookism etc which made me realise I won’t get girls because of muscles as my face was not up to tier so I quit lifting and just continued using testosterone enanthate at 250mg per week ever since(my natural testosterone level was 271ng/dL at age 17 which was super low)
Now the bearded pics are from 2018, I don’t take much pics and never did a clean shave because the facial hair helped mask a long midface
My goal is to look like Toni mahfud who has a long midface too, his long midface is masked thanks to his bulging zygos and wide jaw
Well, a before 6 years prior with your face looking really good showed you had great bone structure. Of course, you could have had some changes 6 years later after that right before you got the chin wing but your bone structure still would have been GOOD. However, unfavorable changes look very much to be a direct function of exposure to 'Lookism' and mentality of there.
One reason I don't like 'Lookism' types on here is that too many are addlepated and very much appear to lose IQ points in conjunction with exposure there (or maybe they just start with low IQ). Catching a type of BDD from there is contagious.
Sorry to say but people with too much exposure to there who come here demonstrate a type of stupidity that's hard to compensate for because they lack capacity to digest information. I know this sounds 'mean' but you should know that you are not too bright, an 'NTB' whether you started that way or became that way in the process of contagnation from there. That LOWERS your capacity to make a good decision and also makes it exercise in futility for others on here to guide you. Afterall, I had to ban you for 10 days because you did NOT demonstrate the capacity to understand effects of SWELLING and took it on yourself to take extra dosages of ABs outside of what doctor prescribed.
That said, I could be wrong about your being 'NTB'. But IF I am, you will demonstrate ability to smarten up. If you don't and your participation here resolves to wanting coaching to look like a MALE MODEL, I'm going to deport you back to the Lookism sites.
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..... You're also going to probably need HCG if you ever want to have kids. ......
Oh GAWD. Please don't encourage breeding. ;)
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Oh GAWD. Please don't encourage breeding. ;)
The way things are going, it seems like there's nothing to worry about.
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Who is this guy?
I wish i had that jaw and didnt have to cruise Europe :(
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I think you should focus on stabilizing your psychological state. I recommend some combo of psychiatry (meds) psychotherapy and mindfulness meditation.
You are young, there is still hope for you. If you were not doing well in your dating life, it was not because of the way your face looked or because of the way your body looked. It was because you were mentally unstable. This thread is evidence of that. Nobody wants to date a beautiful mentally unstable person.
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I think you should focus on stabilizing your psychological state. I recommend some combo of psychiatry (meds) psychotherapy and mindfulness meditation.
You are young, there is still hope for you. If you were not doing well in your dating life, it was not because of the way your face looked or because of the way your body looked. It was because you were mentally unstable. This thread is evidence of that. Nobody wants to date a beautiful mentally unstable person.
I mean crazy chicks and guys are a thing. But you realize pretty qickly when dating one of them why you should stay away
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Who is this guy?
We can't see his eyes but he almost has a Billy from Stranger Things (Dacre Montgomery) vibe going on there. And girls LOVED Billy.
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I mean crazy chicks and guys are a thing. But you realize pretty qickly when dating one of them why you should stay away
It's the absolute worst.
A lot of "average dudes dating 10s" are because the chick is crazy, and he's just happy to have a trophy on his arm.
I was joking with the "who is this guy?" comment -- looks nothing like the OP, so I don't know why he posted some random bro as his before photo.
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The way things are going, it seems like there's nothing to worry about.
Lol. touché
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Who is this guy?
He said it was he 6 years ago when he was 18. It's on this string where I asked him about the pic.
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It's the absolute worst.
A lot of "average dudes dating 10s" are because the chick is crazy, and he's just happy to have a trophy on his arm.
I was joking with the "who is this guy?" comment -- looks nothing like the OP, so I don't know why he posted some random bro as his before photo.
I can actually believe this is OP. This is BEFORE the effects of hopping on a steroid cycle where he massacred his skin quality. He also has more facial bloat in some of the 'befores' which can be a result of a) higher body fat and b) failure to manage estrogen levels while on cycle.
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I think you should focus on stabilizing your psychological state. I recommend some combo of psychiatry (meds) psychotherapy and mindfulness meditation.
You are young, there is still hope for you. If you were not doing well in your dating life, it was not because of the way your face looked or because of the way your body looked. It was because you were mentally unstable. This thread is evidence of that. Nobody wants to date a beautiful mentally unstable person.
Unstable Crazies can be exciting (at least for a while). But retards are a deal breaker from the get go.
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I was in a bad mental state after visiting lookism sites
It led me to not leaving my home much cuz when I did, I had anxiety attacks(voices in my head telling me stuff that put me down etc)
I put everything together afterwards that why I was called ugly by a girl at aged 15 in high school(my fake friends were annoying me and called out an ugly moustache shaving paki girl walking by and said “tryintorecover said you’re hot” she comes up and I try to defend myself and she immediately interrupts and goes “have you seen your face, dirty face” in her dirty Urdu sounding tone
It stuck with me ever since etc and also made me realise why I was the always one being picked on, it was because I didn’t look normal(I had a broken frontal teeth since the age of 9 and my bastard dad never fixed it thus making me look further abnormal and go through the torture of bullying, his response was “you should learn to respond when people mock you” , he was a bully too who only abused me everyday like physically and emotionally, until I was 20 and big enough thanks to bodybuilding that he lay off, he chose me as a target to beat, punch, demotivate etc to cool down his anger as I believe he hated his job but had to do it to provide for the family and sacrificed whatever s**t dreams he had, he never lay a hand on my younger bro and sis tho,only me, anyways he fixed my teeth at the age of 18 only when I threatened not to do a job unless my teeth is fixed)
My bone structure in that age 18 pic might look good but I still couldn’t get girls, that was the Zyzz phase of mine, muscles did help one thing and that was help me fight back the bullies, I had taken a few MMA classes and the big muscles helped but the total lack of me being in the dating field ate me up.
Anyways I was about to take my lifting to the next level well because of my dream to be like Zyzz...
I had stumbled upon lookism sites in the process
I continued the test e at 250mg because I felt it finally gave me normal levels which I never had
I know I wouldn’t be able to have kids if I continued this long when I started it, i knew the risks before I did my first PIN...
And I do take an AI, I take it E3D.
I would stop using Test E but I know If & when i recover, I will be even lower than what I had naturally which was 271 ng/dL(at age 17, people should have 600-700 ng/dL) so i never came off
Also test e sort of helped cool down my anxiety, uplifted my mood by a tiny bit and also gave me muscles despite not lifting, the only negatives would be hair loss, bloated face constantly, acne and body fat gained due to me being able to eat a lot.
As for surgery
The reason why I pushed myself to have my Chin Wing done this year was because last year(2018) my parents decided it would be best to take sis to get her married in Pakistan, I hadn’t been to Pakistan for 10 years as I highly loathed that place due to how dirty and boring it is and generally people who attributed everything to “god”
Anyways, I had decided to go to pak secretly early to get a rhino done as i felt that should be my first step in bettering myself and I had already started to accept my face at this point once again and was thinking of resuming lifting and losing the extra weight
I had told my parents I was going to Macao for work purposes but I actually went to pak, I had fixed a Consultation date with a surgeon there(the reason I chose a paki surgeon was because he actively worked on fixing ethnic noses)
When I went to his clinic, I Found out he did Consultation and surgery on the Same day, that seemed like a major red flag to me so I immediately left,
I was about to leave pak then when I did the dumbest s**t ever, I messaged my cousins that I was in pak, they came running to see me and my parents and sis bro were in Pak at that time too so they came too
when they saw me, the girl cousin made a face like u make a srs face and squint ur eyes and says “why does he look like this. He used to be cute as a kid”
Then other cousins started mocking me slowly etc
It ate me up and I realized I will never be normal, the high school s**t wasn’t a phase at all, this will continue on in life unless I make major changes.
Those bearded pics were taken then that night.
I don’t want to look like a male model per se
I only chose Toni Mahfud as he has a Long Midface but no one can tell as his wide jaw and chin and zygos help hide it, another example is Imran abbas who has a long midface but due to wide jaw and zygos once again, it has made it hidden.
My goal is not to become one of those plastic looking freaks
It’s to be normal and able to fit in society.
I don’t want to be the outcast anymore.
Maybe you guys won’t understand as you guys have not lived a single day in my shoes.
But combine the heavy physical torture by my dad(punch, strangle, kick etc) since a kid, the bullying that started in high school, the lack of being in the dating field as an adult, the name callings when I finally went back after 10 years.
I am not asking you guys for sympathy or anything, I am just telling you what happened to me and why it did.
OK, then take Lefortitude's advice and seek some psyche help.
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I was in a bad mental state after visiting lookism sites
It led me to not leaving my home much cuz when I did, I had anxiety attacks(voices in my head telling me stuff that put me down etc)
I put everything together afterwards that why I was called ugly by a girl at aged 15 in high school(my fake friends were annoying me and called out an ugly moustache shaving paki girl walking by and said “tryintorecover said you’re hot” she comes up and I try to defend myself and she immediately interrupts and goes “have you seen your face, dirty face” in her dirty Urdu sounding tone
It stuck with me ever since etc and also made me realise why I was the always one being picked on, it was because I didn’t look normal(I had a broken frontal teeth since the age of 9 and my bastard dad never fixed it thus making me look further abnormal and go through the torture of bullying, his response was “you should learn to respond when people mock you” , he was a bully too who only abused me everyday like physically and emotionally, until I was 20 and big enough thanks to bodybuilding that he lay off, he chose me as a target to beat, punch, demotivate etc to cool down his anger as I believe he hated his job but had to do it to provide for the family and sacrificed whatever s**t dreams he had, he never lay a hand on my younger bro and sis tho,only me, anyways he fixed my teeth at the age of 18 only when I threatened not to do a job unless my teeth is fixed)
My bone structure in that age 18 pic might look good but I still couldn’t get girls, that was the Zyzz phase of mine, muscles did help one thing and that was help me fight back the bullies, I had taken a few MMA classes and the big muscles helped but the total lack of me being in the dating field ate me up.
Anyways I was about to take my lifting to the next level well because of my dream to be like Zyzz...
I had stumbled upon lookism sites in the process
I continued the test e at 250mg because I felt it finally gave me normal levels which I never had
I know I wouldn’t be able to have kids if I continued this long when I started it, i knew the risks before I did my first PIN...
And I do take an AI, I take it E3D.
I would stop using Test E but I know If & when i recover, I will be even lower than what I had naturally which was 271 ng/dL(at age 17, people should have 600-700 ng/dL) so i never came off
Also test e sort of helped cool down my anxiety, uplifted my mood by a tiny bit and also gave me muscles despite not lifting, the only negatives would be hair loss, bloated face constantly, acne and body fat gained due to me being able to eat a lot.
As for surgery
The reason why I pushed myself to have my Chin Wing done this year was because last year(2018) my parents decided it would be best to take sis to get her married in Pakistan, I hadn’t been to Pakistan for 10 years as I highly loathed that place due to how dirty and boring it is and generally people who attributed everything to “god”
Anyways, I had decided to go to pak secretly early to get a rhino done as i felt that should be my first step in bettering myself and I had already started to accept my face at this point once again and was thinking of resuming lifting and losing the extra weight
I had told my parents I was going to Macao for work purposes but I actually went to pak, I had fixed a Consultation date with a surgeon there(the reason I chose a paki surgeon was because he actively worked on fixing ethnic noses)
When I went to his clinic, I Found out he did Consultation and surgery on the Same day, that seemed like a major red flag to me so I immediately left,
I was about to leave pak then when I did the dumbest s**t ever, I messaged my cousins that I was in pak, they came running to see me and my parents and sis bro were in Pak at that time too so they came too
when they saw me, the girl cousin made a face like u make a srs face and squint ur eyes and says “why does he look like this. He used to be cute as a kid”
Then other cousins started mocking me slowly etc
It ate me up and I realized I will never be normal, the high school s**t wasn’t a phase at all, this will continue on in life unless I make major changes.
Those bearded pics were taken then that night.
I don’t want to look like a male model per se
I only chose Toni Mahfud as he has a Long Midface but no one can tell as his wide jaw and chin and zygos help hide it, another example is Imran abbas who has a long midface but due to wide jaw and zygos once again, it has made it hidden.
My goal is not to become one of those plastic looking freaks
It’s to be normal and able to fit in society.
I don’t want to be the outcast anymore.
Maybe you guys won’t understand as you guys have not lived a single day in my shoes.
But combine the heavy physical torture by my dad(punch, strangle, kick etc) since a kid, the bullying that started in high school, the lack of being in the dating field as an adult, the name callings when I finally went back after 10 years.
I am not asking you guys for sympathy or anything, I am just telling you what happened to me and why it did.
Well, first things first: 250mg per week is going to put you over 1,000 ng/dL which is a super-physiological level of testosterone. That's why your skin looks terrible now whereas it looked pristine 6 years ago. If you get your T-levels within the normal range, you can start fixing your skin. Most guys don't need more than 100mg per week, and that puts them near the top of the reference range. Right now you're ravaging your skin and hair with 250mg per week. If you aren't on finasteride, you're probably going to be bald by your mid 30s if you're at all genetically disposed to it.
I'm telling you right now that your cheek and jaw bones were 'normal' before; even aesthetic. If your teeth were identified as a problem, why didn't you just fix that? And sure, a rhino is fine if you really needed it (although I can't tell based on your pics).
All you probably needed was to fix your teeth and get a damn haircut. You look dirty NOW because your skin sucks, your beard sucks, and your hair is a mess. You looked WAY BETTER in the pic from when you were 18. If you had a good haircut there and you found a way to make your hair look less greasy, you would've been golden.
IMO the best way to get back to that is to stop cruising test, run PCT, and see what your baseline is after 3 months. Yes, your test production might be shot after cruising for so long. But you need to get back to a natural level and clear up your skin. THEN you can think about going to a TRT clinic to get your levels back up into the normal range. During/after that, lean down to near the BF% you were when you were 18. Your swelling should be mostly gone by the time you get there and you'll be able to see what you actually look like.
I feel sympathy for you given your experience, but you're going about this completely the wrong way. If you were way less successful with girls than your peers at 18, then either you had serious teeth/nose/eye issues or it was a personality thing. I'm leaning toward the latter based on this thread. You need to SLOW DOWN and focus on self-improvement while your body recovers from all the s**t you've put it through. That means dieting, lifting, reading, meditating, etc. I usually think the 'monk mode' concept is a bad idea but I'd recommend it in your case, at least for several months.
Anyway, your CW will probably heal fine. You need a self-help board way more than a JS board.
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He doesn't look dirty. He has a bloated face due to swelling, but I think he'll look good by taking care of himself, trim his beard and mustache a bit, taking a nice haircut and put on some nice closes. OP, you have some mental problems due to past bullying etc. You look good. Just take care of yourself and try to be satisfied after this procedure. You need to find love and validation. You are probably a very good looking guy, maybe even better looking than you were before after this procedure. So try to enjoy that and the positive feedback you get from people, instead of thinking about negative stuff.
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I do take meds to control anxiety, but at the same time I must also realise that without surgery, I won’t be able to fix my facial faults.
This was evidenced by how my cousins reacted to my face after a 10 year gap
They won't be fixed if you're not in the capacity to make the right choices as in choosing to do things for stupid reasons.
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He doesn't look dirty. He has a bloated face due to swelling, but I think he'll look good by taking care of himself, trim his beard and mustache a bit, taking a nice haircut and put on some nice closes. OP, you have some mental problems due to past bullying etc. You look good. Just take care of yourself and try to be satisfied after this procedure. You need to find love and validation. You are probably a very good looking guy, maybe even better looking than you were before after this procedure. So try to enjoy that and the positive feedback you get from people, instead of thinking about negative stuff.
That's what makes him look dirty. Mental problems or serious cognitive deficits?
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That's what makes him look dirty. Mental problems or serious cognitive deficits?
I don't know. Seems he did have a steep golonial angle, so he might have made the right decision after all. And I believe one of the pics is Zyzz.
About the nosejob: 9 out of 10 times a bad decision as a male. I hope they didn't overcorrect. If this trurns out well and the nosejob was okay as well, then he has nothing to complain about and should stop wining. Haircut + good clothes + good shaving or something like a three day stubble, and he's ready to enjoy life. You don't need to look like a perfect male model. A couple of (small) flaws make a male face more attractive/interesting, provided that you have the angular or square jaw, which is the overall framework.
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I actually like my new jaw now tbh
Swelling has gone a bit and cheekbones are bit more visible now(the rectangle smile is no more, it’s normal now)
It’s at the perfect proportion now imo
I just hope there is less swelling to go down now and that this is my final result as it looks good at this point.
The current size is kind of appealing to me now.
As for haircut, dropping steroids etc
I plan to do them soon. I will explain this in detail on how I will go about doing it in a later post sometime(would appreciate tips for skin care tho in PM as I want this thread to be solely focused on my jaw recovery rather than anything else)
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congratulations, you've had successful plastic surgery.
Let this be a wakeup call for you. Your issues are deeper than bone.
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Do you guys think chewing early on would cause a relapse?
Surgeon has given me a free hand to eat rice chips boiled chicken etc starting from week 2 but I am unsure if that is good advice...
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If your morph is correct that's a ridiculously good result. If you're worried then wait several more weeks before chewing.
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You have still quite some swelling at the left side. Three weeks and aporoximately 60-65 percent is gone. I think it was a succesfull procedure. Despite the madness, you probably made the right decision. I do not really believe in mental issues tbh. These procedures are heavy procedures emotionally, so it's completely normal to freak out. If something goes wrong eastehtically or with nerves, then you're in deep trouble. It's not easy to stay calm in those kind of circumstances, especially during the period of heavy swelling.
The 100% is by the way a ridiculous morph. It will not look like that and it shouldn't look like that neither. From what I can see, you're in the top 10 percent now. It's easy to see how important the basic facial structure is (jaw + chin). It takes away the focus on other flaws like skin. Ronaldo really has bad skin, but due to great jaw, it almost seems like he has great skin. It's all an optical illusion caused by great bonestructure.
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Although your jaw BONE looks to have that sort of sharp crisp angle to it which looks to be the case from the skeletal scans on page #1 post surgery, BLOAT to the soft tissue from STEROID use very well could hide the crisp angle shown on your morph.
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Dude, you have very, very, very serious mental problems. Your look great bloat or no bloat. In fact, you can even see though you've blocked parts out you have an excellent shaped face, jaw etc. etc. great hair. You are so f**king retarded for worrying so much. I iwsh i had even 50 percent of as good a result. You need to spend all your money on some good psychotherapist, get off the roids and f**king start looking for things that are more than skin deep. Otherwise you will spend the rest of your life living only 10 percent of your full potential --i mean as a human being seeing all the true depth and beauty there is to be had from life. Don't think or worry about this surgery anymore, nor about your looks. Your looks are not the problem. End of story.
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mandible looks good though
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You need a haircut my dude.
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yea and shave that moustache, it's not the seventies anymore.