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General Category => General Chat => Topic started by: molestrip on April 07, 2015, 12:31:45 PM
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Someone mentioned an OkCupid study. Here's one I found about the importance of attractiveness (http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/).
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Yep, I'm not going to go into a big analysis, but things have changed in such a way that women judge men much more harshly in terms of facial attractiveness than the other way around. At least when it comes to tinder and online dating. I don't even bother anymore.
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let me start off by saying im not a pua hate guy....but my experience is today's women and girls care about NOTHING else but a guys looks. The hot guy who makes dumb stupid wise cracks and curses is hilarious while the ugly witty guy is an annoying creep. I experienced it first hand. In high school and in my early 20's I used to talk to girls online. They 'd be dying to meet me and couldn't stop telling me how hilarious I am...until they saw my pic, then they never contacted me again.
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Someone mentioned an OkCupid study. Here's one I found about the importance of attractiveness (http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/).
Molestrip,
What do you care about any of this? You're "married with children".
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I experienced it first hand. In high school and in my early 20's I used to talk to girls online. They 'd be dying to meet me and couldn't stop telling me how hilarious I am...until they saw my pic, then they never contacted me again.
Yes! I've experienced the exact same thing. I'm old enough now that I just don't care anymore. I'm not getting jaw surgery to increase my chances with women, just for myself.
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Molestrip,
What do you care about any of this? You're "married with children".
He's tired of Peggy not making him any meals.
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these days women choose who they want, while most men settle for what they can get. Also women wear makeup which brings then up a couple of points, while with men, what you see is what you get. No surprise the next morning.
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these days women choose who they want, while most men settle for what they can get. Also women wear makeup which brings then up a couple of points, while with men, what you see is what you get. No surprise the next morning.
True, also people tak men and women at their word even when it isn't real. for example go up go any guy and ask what do you want in a women. Hes going to start barking and saying she better be a supermodel in the face and a size 1 or ill kick the b*tch too the curb. Then in reality, he meets Jen the sweet, fun easy to talk to girl whos got an average or slightly below average face and a little chubby , she laughs easily, and he likes her and wants her.
Go up to any women nowadays and ask what you want in a guy. They will say he must have a good personality, caring, smart o and must have a sense of humor I cant be with someone who doesn't make me laugh. If they mention looks at all at best they say looks really aren't so important they fade over time and that's so shallow. At worst they say look I obviously have to be attracted to the guy. Then when Jeff the unattractive, short, sweet, funny, witty ,smart, caring, somewhat successful guy who does charity work approach's her at best she ignores him at worst will tell him to get away creep. Then she sees steve the 6'2 tall ,good looking jerk who is full of himself and curses etc goes anywhere near her she goes nuts and desperately wants him.
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True, also people take men and women at their word even when it isn't real.
I judge a person by their actions and not by their words. This sometimes rubs people the wrong way. *shrugs*
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@earl25 I chatted with a girl for a few months online when I was dating. She really liked me and finally made the trip across several states for our first in person date. I could tell within the first 5min of meeting she was horrified. She pretty much got out of there as quickly as she could. Yeah, it matters. But that wasn't representative of other women so I didn't let it get to me. By my experience, more attractive women were actually less shallow than the less attractive ones. I don't know why, maybe it's a property of early-20s women who haven't learned their place yet?
@terry947 Note that they go on to note that aesthetics is much less important to women than it is to men, however poor judges they are. I suspect it's also a function of age, particularly around that "market correction" age. That's when your prey is most vulnerable, if you don't mind last years' trends so to speak :P Personally, I find women to be at peak attractiveness in their 30s.
@Plosko True I'm married but this stuff matters in inter-personal relationships too, not to mention that it matters since I need surgery anyway for functional reasons and I can't ignore aesthetic impact. I've come from having absolutely no sense of style or any understanding of dating in general lol. One consequence of this research is that I've now noticed that my wife's nose projects slightly to one side. Not the end of the world but.. it's weird lol. True she doesn't cook, I do all the cooking in the house and I'm much better at it.
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yeah i know tons of ppl who give the looks dont matter speech then go nuts over a good looking person
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I disagree. I was not attracted to my husband until I realised he had an awesome personality. He is reasonable looking, going on looks alone, but not a ' head turner'. (For the record, I'm not saying I'm hot either!!) I certainly will be after my double jaw surgery :P
He is now in his 40's, I'm still 30's, 2 kids and honestly don't care one bit ....he's hot to me because he's an awesome father and husband.
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I disagree. I was not attracted to my husband until I realised he had an awesome personality.
You're not really disagreeing then. Research has shown that looks are almost the only thing that matters in the beginning and then personality starts to take over with time until personality finally becomes the dominating factor. The problem is that most people won't get to stick around long enough until that happens. ;D
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@ tumerican - exactly. Also I've noticed that looks basically equal personality. If an attractive person is shy then he's mysterious, if an ugly person is shy then he's not confident, loser, weak etc. If an attractive person is loud, he's confident, cocky etc, when an ugly person is loud, hes annoying, obnoxious etc.
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Sad but true. I'll admit that when a forum member sent me his before and afters, my gut reaction was who is this freak that I'm taking advice from! He's awesome though, it's just biology at work.
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the thing is men cant be mad at women for wanting an attractive husband/boyfriend. Men want the exact same thing.
The only thing that bother me is when society says that personality is the major deciding factor and when women wear make-up and act like they're hotter when they're not.
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@ tumerican - exactly. Also I've noticed that looks basically equal personality. If an attractive person is shy then he's mysterious, if an ugly person is shy then he's not confident, loser, weak etc. If an attractive person is loud, he's confident, cocky etc, when an ugly person is loud, hes annoying, obnoxious etc.
If a guy has a recessed chin/profile, he's seen as weak, unconfident, and passive. Even if that is totally not his personality, most people will see him that way. My face has never matched ME!
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Yes. I've seen some from private PMs.
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Yes still post but not too often I think. Pretty bad before, standard double jaw surgery and some augmentations. They say you can get 2pts, I think he did better than that.
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Very weak chin. Those are the best transformations.
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Hopefully i'll have a good transformation then, since i have a really week chin/lower third. Still, the eyes are the most important part and mine are meh..... and i have a long mid face/third.
@ alue- i feel the same way. Im in a construction engineering program and one my teachers said I should get into computer because i'm "good at it". He has no idea if i have good computer skills, since we never used them in class. He just assumed this based off how i look, most likely my week chin. The funny thing is im not even good at computers. people are retarded, honestly.
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Your starting point is X + deformity. You will get rid of the deformity + 0 to 2 points. That's really it. Eyes are by far themost important feature. No surgery for potato eyes.
So if X is ugly, don't expect miracles. If X is average... Maybe you make it to attractive.
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Not too many surprises there.
I found the chart where women rated the men to be heavily less than average as a whole interesting. Particularly with their messaging choices only slightly scaled ahead of their attractiveness rating. Women can be tough on looks. Their standards are pretty high. But I do not think this is just pointed towards men. Women are rough on themselves and other women too. I also remember reading something about women loving to fawn over good looking people but not trusting them in long term relationships....
For me anyways, well, I needed two jaw surgery (I'm about two weeks post op at this writing) so I am no prize winner. That said, for the most part I have always dated pretty attractive women. I remember when I was about 16. I was dating one girl with a couple other flirting with me. This other kid (about 18) says to me - how are you doing this - you're not that good looking. Well, I dunno. Sometimes you have other features that work for you and women sense it. That said, if I were a more attractive guy - man I wonder what kind of life changes that would have made.....
Good looking people have less obstacles. Lookism is real. I'm guilty of it too.
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No, society perpetuates the myth that looks aren't important, personality is what matters. Pay close attention to the words in Frozen next time! Nearly everyone seems to grow out of it though. I strongly disagree about mismatched couples but, like I've said before, depends a lot on your life circumstances: where you live, kind of lifestyle, community you're in, age in life, etc.
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Everyone who sees a looks wise mismatched couple always wonders what the equalizer is....
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No, society perpetuates the myth that looks aren't important, personality is what matters. Pay close attention to the words in Frozen next time! Nearly everyone seems to grow out of it though. I strongly disagree about mismatched couples but, like I've said before, depends a lot on your life circumstances: where you live, kind of lifestyle, community you're in, age in life, etc.
I don't think everyone necessarily 'grows out of it' they just get older/uglier and settle.
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I don't think everyone necessarily 'grows out of it' they just get older/uglier and settle.
Shallow.....shallow......shallow........sad. ::)
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Shallow.....shallow......shallow........sad. ::)
What are you implying? I said not everyone necessarily grows out of it, meaning some may.
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let me start off by saying im not a pua hate guy....but my experience is today's women and girls care about NOTHING else but a guys looks. The hot guy who makes dumb stupid wise cracks and curses is hilarious while the ugly witty guy is an annoying creep. I experienced it first hand. In high school and in my early 20's I used to talk to girls online. They 'd be dying to meet me and couldn't stop telling me how hilarious I am...until they saw my pic, then they never contacted me again.
I experienced exactly the same as you did with guys when I was in high school, equivalent of. Difference is I never approached anyone, online or offline. From my experience, the guys - mostly rugby player types which I guess are the equivalent of US jocks - were a LOT worse than us girls. Even the things they said about my very pretty friends were vicious. I remember being told by one that I looked better in the dark, and that certainly wasn't the worst thing I heard.
In my case, being brought up in a snobby, provincial area had a lot to do with that type of attitude - where guys wouldn't even be friends with you if you weren't "pretty". When I left at 19, I made many (platonic) guy friends. One friend had the dreaded "long mid face" and was/is like those ugly Sluthate examples of "incels" they post. He was an entertainer and very outgoing - and there seemed to be an endless supply of VERY attractive women he dated and screwed around.
But in short, your experiences aren't as gender based as you believe them to be. I can assure you that there are women out there in their teens, 20s and beyond who are the same. When I read Sluthate - with the exception of the extreme Elliot Rodger type stuff - I recognised some of my old feelings from my teens.
All I hear about from these boards is how men have it so hard and women have it so easy. That is bulls**t, because BOTH sexes who have aesthetic problems (and are acutely aware of it) miss those same milestones.
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I don't think everyone necessarily 'grows out of it' they just get older/uglier and settle.
They probably get more fatalistic about it.
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This is bulls**t. How did Costanza get so many girlfriends? ;D
http://kramersapartment.com/george/george-costanzas-girlfriends/
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I experienced exactly the same as you did with guys when I was in high school, equivalent of. Difference is I never approached anyone, online or offline. From my experience, the guys - mostly rugby player types which I guess are the equivalent of US jocks - were a LOT worse than us girls. Even the things they said about my very pretty friends were vicious. I remember being told by one that I looked better in the dark, and that certainly wasn't the worst thing I heard.
In my case, being brought up in a snobby, provincial area had a lot to do with that type of attitude - where guys wouldn't even be friends with you if you weren't "pretty". When I left at 19, I made many (platonic) guy friends. One friend had the dreaded "long mid face" and was/is like those ugly Sluthate examples of "incels" they post. He was an entertainer and very outgoing - and there seemed to be an endless supply of VERY attractive women he dated and screwed around.
But in short, your experiences aren't as gender based as you believe them to be. I can assure you that there are women out there in their teens, 20s and beyond who are the same. When I read Sluthate - with the exception of the extreme Elliot Rodger type stuff - I recognised some of my old feelings from my teens.
All I hear about from these boards is how men have it so hard and women have it so easy. That is bulls**t, because BOTH sexes who have aesthetic problems (and are acutely aware of it) miss those same milestones.
I guess in fairness ugly people in general have it tough
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I guess in fairness ugly people in general have it tough
but earl after your various surgeries do you really feel ugly anymore? I mean to be crude haven't you at last gone from a 3 to a 7 at least?
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@ragirl brings up an interesting topic. It seems most of the people here have the fortune of figuring out that their looks are problematic. You know exactly what your problems are and what needs to be done to fix it. However, you weren't born with this knowledge. Growing up ugly affects your development and many people don't figure it out. That in turn leads to depression and can have a huge impact on life. When you're ugly you can easily learn the wrong lessons and never realize what's happened to you.
On an unrelated note, anyone else notice that Sandberg's husband died recently? She's pretty old but that's a mismatched couple for you. Looks like he was more attractive when they dated though.
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-attraction-doctor/201105/is-your-personality-making-you-more-or-less-physically-attractive
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but earl after your various surgeries do you really feel ugly anymore? I mean to be crude haven't you at last gone from a 3 to a 7 at least?
im just a better version of myself but still not attractive
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-attraction-doctor/201105/is-your-personality-making-you-more-or-less-physically-attractive
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As I have gotten older and collected more life experience, I totally agree with this premise.
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im just a better version of myself but still not attractive
u wot m8 ? you had bsso, genio, neck lift and mod. LF3 and you still aren't attractive? I suppose you don't share your pics, but I'd love to see your before and afters. Can't you black out your eyes or something ? How tall are you ?
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you can't take any one element and use it as a barometer for attractiveness. As Ploskoplus said, it's the gestalt (the overall interrelationship of elements) and yes this includes personality. It's far more complex than you guys realize.
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Plosko was referring to the PHYSICAL elements that make up the perception though.
yes i know, but there's something called "gestalt theory," and a gestalt is never static, it's always dynamic and in flux --this is what is a gestalt perception. And emotions are revealed through almost subconscious "microexpressions," that reveal things like insecurities and doubt and lack of confidence. Or alternatively friendliness and confidence and a compassionate kindness towards others. So I AM ADDING to plosko's definiition the dynamic aspect of personality revealing itself outwardly in everything from facial expression to posture to attitude.
Tumerican I like you. I've seen what you look like and THERE IS NO REASON IN HELL OR HEAVEN WHY YOU COULDN"T ATTRACT WOMEN given your current look.
I have a hunch you reveal a lot of your negativity in your posture and facial microexpressions when you interact with the opposite sex. Don't take it personally, only trying to help. These are things that can be changed.
You are somewhat of a "hard case newbie". You'll always come up with a justification why you CAN'T do something no matter what reasons people give you and no matter what surgeries you have there will always be something else your mind will erect as an obstacle to you achieving something. Meditation and Buddhism is the best way for you to change yourself into a more attractive person, not surgery.
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This is ultimate statement. I wonder what are you doing on JSF then.
I'm not getting surgery to attract women you f**ktard. I regularly crush p*ssy. In fact I have two new dates just this week. With my funky braces smile and all. I'm doing SURGERY for sleep apnea, a misaligned bite and I'm interested in the aesthetic possibilities given my OWN ideals of what I'd like to look like.
you and Tumour are doing it because you think it's help you chance with chicks. Which is hilarious.
I'm recommending meditation because there's a small chance in hell it might help with your deranged thinking.
But you guys are just a pair of hard-case newbies who have no chance in hell. Go ahead, I want try and help you guys anymore. Get your surgeries and think it'll be the magic path to women instead of actually working on your personalities and how you relate to the opposite sex.
They wrote a song about you guys (or your future).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbIZ1IuqCzU
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And please refrain from your random childish rage spurts, also use more proper language.
Why do you think he's getting so many dates! Confidence is massively attractive. And after 25-30, having a decent career too or just being a guy in general lol. I was just looking at a friend of mine from high school. He's 35, fat, and bald and he's engaged now. Other than a gummy smile, the girl he's engaged to is very pretty.
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lmao @ some of the beef on these forums
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Not the most politically correct thing to say here but guys are a lot more shallow. Well, maybe just more traditionally shallow in that physical attractiveness matters more. Personally, I consider confidence and career to be just as shallow. I would say that there's one thing women do control though. Men don't like prudes. Most don't want to marry a slut but they all want a women who's his own personal slut, as a friend says.
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Not the most politically correct thing to say here but guys are a lot more shallow. Well, maybe just more traditionally shallow in that physical attractiveness matters more. Personally, I consider confidence and career to be just as shallow. I would say that there's one thing women do control though. Men don't like prudes. Most don't want to marry a slut but they all want a women who's his own personal slut, as a friend says.
Once again Molestrip is on the money. You better be careful these days. Women are massive sluts. I know this one guy a medical doctor, good looking dating one of my female friends who is so dirty I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole --she's been gangbanged by football teams and she's over the hill and just average looking --kinda good body and blonde though. And this guy is showering her with gifts, bought her a computer, apple watch everything. I mean I'm not his friend, but I'm like holy s**t, what a f**king AFC (average f**king chump). That's why older men like to date younger girls, less of that baggage, but you gotta always be careful. Do you due dilligence. Never make a (too) pretty girl your wife. I just date different girls though so I'm not committing to one just yet. I'm gonna pull a clooney and marry at like 50 to some hot and smart late twenties chick.
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lmao at this thread. Obviously looks matter. When people say it doesnt, its PURE bulls**t. At the same time, if youre a weird f**king dude, some chicks might bang you only because of youre looks. Good luck finding some kind of long term relationship. I have a close friend whos can be a legit model, chicks check him out all the time, even dudes (true story). Yet hes only banged 2 chicks and has only had one girfriend. its because hes shy around women. Getting jaw surgery might sort of fix the aesthetic issue, but if youre f**ked in the head its not going to do anything.
also the harsh reality is this. Everything matter to a point. Height, body shape, frame and looks. Its a package. I dont care how good looking someone is, if they're 5'5 giving me orders, id smirk at then and tell the to f**k off.
molesrtip I agree with 99% of the stuff you say but Men and women are equally shallow. If anything modern day women are MORE shallow. Sure, they're less shallow once they reach their 30's and want to marry some chump loser. Remember women can hide behind makeup and make themselves look 1-5 points higher. With men what you see if what you get.
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Lazlo actually believes in 'pua' (pick up), that speaks volumes (cos it's nonsense)
Having no facial flaws is the only way to get women
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it's not just about females, but society and family attitude as well. I know how society treated me before I had this stupid facial fat loss and comparing to now, it's s**t. Same goes with females, same goes with family. You didn't experience this by yourself so you simply don't know what situation I am in. I was shocked how much personality and facial appearance are correlated and how much of emotional bounds are directly derived from face. This annihilated my confidence and well-being. And please refrain from your random childish rage spurts, also use more proper language.
For me, both my jaws are so recessed that it's difficult for me to express emotion in my face. Even growing up people would ask me why I never smile. When I do smile, it's very forced and awkward. I had headgear + bicuspids + wisdom teeth extracted, so I don't have the kind of bone support I was supposed to have.
It absolutely effects the way people respond to you.
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I just met a fat 65yo black guy at a bar last night. He told me he picked up a 26yo recently. I was floored.
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I just met a fat 65yo black guy at a bar last night. He told me he picked up a 26yo recently. I was floored.
Happens all the time, especially in big cities like NYC or LA where people are more openminded and less programmed by societies norms. Honestly, it's almsot all personality. Oh, and you wanna know how my date last night went. Banged her on the second date. Totally hot chick that multiple guys were leering at while we were out for a walk and coffee. And guys, I've actually become FAT, like terrible body lately, this girl is 5'10 an inch taller than me and model skinny. I don't follow or practice PUA, I just use that terminology sometimes cause one of my brother's friends told me about it and I find it totally hilarious.
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Lazlo if you're banging babes then you're most likely a good looking dude with just minor facial flaws.
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Well, he did mention he was buying her a lot of stuff so a sugar daddy kind of relationship.
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You guys are seriously confused about women.
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We have an administrator? And a newbie at that!
The whole premise of getting over social anxiety is recognition that everyone is always seriously confused. Ok maybe at some point you're only confused. You are confused, right? Otherwise, my whole world will come crashing down!
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Show me a happy man who could be recommended le fort 3 with a girlfriend
You mean a happy man, right? For every ugly guy there's an ugly girl. Problem is, ugly people don't want to date each other. That makes them unhappy. Ugly people want to date attractive people. Considering how hard surgery is, makes you wonder whether we should just funnel our research money into a pill that can turn off the intense desire to mate with attractive people.
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Show me a man who could be recommended le fort 3 with a girlfriend
Me. I'll send you my pics if you promise to never share. But i'm not good looking trust me, and I dated a gorgeous girl for like 7 years through undergrad to grad school and then things really took off and I date a lot of very hot women. In fact there's one girl I'm gonna date on saturday who looks like taylor swift, not lying, she's so hot i'm quite nervous about it. But ultimately, the less you care, the better you'll do. You guys would be way to insecure emotionally and psychologically to even handle dating because you won't go out of your way to be relaxed, crack jokes, escalate physical intimacy. With the girl last night on our first date we were looking at furniture in this sort of hip store and at one point I just grabbed her waste and pulled her into me. I knew it was a risk, she could have slapped me or thought me pushy, but she let me and let me nuzzle her neck with my face. I'm sure I've been in situations where that type of thing has failed, but I don't look at failure as rejection, just an opportunity to learn and not to take it personally at all. That's the secret of a positive attitudd and I admit it's something I built up over years of practice. I wasn't always as good as I am now with girls. I lost my virginity veery late cause I was also very insecure at one point and with girls too. No dates throughout high-school or most of undergrad till i met my girlfriend. I've had maybe over a 100 girls and several girlfriends by now. Seriously, with you guys, it's your mental state holding you back. I'm living proof. Even ask Earl who has seen me, I'm not handsome, and I don't NEED a lefort 3, no non-syndrome patient does. I just want to maximize my aesthetics because of my OWN ideals. Anyway, I'm going to stop talking about this. Maybe when I was 20 I wouldn't have listened to this --but honestly I don't think I was ever as closeminded as you guys are.
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I won't share them, I have no interest in doing so. But how do I contact you because apparently you can't be reached by pm?
I can now, no problem. I just had my settings on wrong.
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Me. I'll send you my pics if you promise to never share. But i'm not good looking trust me, and I dated a gorgeous girl for like 7 years through undergrad to grad school and then things really took off and I date a lot of very hot women. In fact there's one girl I'm gonna date on saturday who looks like taylor swift, not lying, she's so hot i'm quite nervous about it. But ultimately, the less you care, the better you'll do. You guys would be way to insecure emotionally and psychologically to even handle dating because you won't go out of your way to be relaxed, crack jokes, escalate physical intimacy. With the girl last night on our first date we were looking at furniture in this sort of hip store and at one point I just grabbed her waste and pulled her into me. I knew it was a risk, she could have slapped me or thought me pushy, but she let me and let me nuzzle her neck with my face. I'm sure I've been in situations where that type of thing has failed, but I don't look at failure as rejection, just an opportunity to learn and not to take it personally at all. That's the secret of a positive attitudd and I admit it's something I built up over years of practice. I wasn't always as good as I am now with girls. I lost my virginity veery late cause I was also very insecure at one point and with girls too. No dates throughout high-school or most of undergrad till i met my girlfriend. I've had maybe over a 100 girls and several girlfriends by now. Seriously, with you guys, it's your mental state holding you back. I'm living proof. Even ask Earl who has seen me, I'm not handsome, and I don't NEED a lefort 3, no non-syndrome patient does. I just want to maximize my aesthetics because of my OWN ideals. Anyway, I'm going to stop talking about this. Maybe when I was 20 I wouldn't have listened to this --but honestly I don't think I was ever as closeminded as you guys are.
I'd be curious to see your pics. I shared mine on the private forum but took them down. Don't want my pics all over the internet either.
I didn't know how bad my case was until I started pursuing jaw surgery, but after looking at a lot of before and after pictures, and speaking with people on this forum. I'm more recessed than 95% of adults that are pursuing jaw surgery...
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sent to alue cause he was first on the ball. Alue, you can testify whatever your findings and analysis are here, pronto, now I'm curious!
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Well, he did mention he was buying her a lot of stuff so a sugar daddy kind of relationship.
that wasn't me, that was someone, a chump in my books, that i was telling you about. You should never shower a girl with gifts it show weakness and insecurity. In fact get her to pay for dinner and things.
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Late for me but spot on! It sets the stage for a dysfunctional relationship going forward too, one where man cares for woman and that can be hard to fix late game.
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Late for me but spot on! It sets the stage for a dysfunctional relationship going forward too, one where man cares for woman and that can be hard to fix late game.
Absolutely, it makes the woman think you're a resource and that's all. She'll never truly give herself or fall in love with you if you shower with gift. A modest nice show of affection, once she already desires and wants you is the way to go. And be careful, once a girl falls in love with you, she can be hard to drop if you don't really like her.
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sent to alue cause he was first on the ball. Alue, you can testify whatever your findings and analysis are here, pronto, now I'm curious!
Copy and pasted part of the PM I sent you, since you asked.
To me you look average. It's hard to tell where your chin is with the beard, but from the side I can see why you want to get jaw surgery. Your side profile is still way better than mine.
The thirds of your face look proportional and you have good width despite having extractions.
Honestly, I think your facial width and beard is your saving grace with having a retrognathic profile, it keeps you from looking 'weak' as many guys with a retruded profile do. You aren't "good looking" but to me you fit in the average category. If I saw you on the street nothing would really stand out positive or negative.
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so late..... but lazlo can you send me your pics?
Promise I wont share obviously....
Also I agree with you that mindset is key, but there is a certain looks threshold for every chick.
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and for every guy.
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so late..... but lazlo can you send me your pics?
Promise I wont share obviously....
Also I agree with you that mindset is key, but there is a certain looks threshold for every chick.
hey man, i would but i'm feeling kind of exposed that I sent them already to two people. Trust me I'm not "good looking" i basically look like an ethnic version of ben foster the actor but with a weak lower jawline.